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PS4 Launch Date: November 15th

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the lost-release-date-chicken-with-microsoft dept.

PlayStation (Games) 151

Today Sony announced the official release dates of the PlayStation 4 console: November 15 in North America and November 29 in Europe. From the article: "The system will be available for $399/€399/£349 in 32 countries by the end of the year, the company said. The date comes just days before the Black Friday post-Thanksgiving sales, but given the strong pre-order interest for the system already, the PS4 might be hard to find on store shelves in the days after it drops. Sony revealed that one million PS4 systems have already been pre-ordered worldwide. The company notably did not mention a release date or price point for the system's launch in its native Japan."

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Only need to know... (1, Funny)

djupedal (584558) | about a year ago | (#44622307)

What is a PS3 w/500gb HD worth on trade-in...

Re:Only need to know... (2)

Dins (2538550) | about a year ago | (#44622339)

'bout tree fiddy...

Re:Only need to know... (2)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44622415)

not much
i checked best buy trade in and sold my PS3 and xbox 360 with a bunch of games to people at work. total haul was $120. ME3 is $2 trade in at best buy and like $10 if i sold it on ebay before all the fees. and that was my newest game

i'm done with console gaming. never used my PS3 to game, but as a blu ray player. got a Panasonic 3d blu ray player with the cash

Re:Only need to know... (1)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year ago | (#44623107)

Similar, I got mine for the BD player, not so much to game. But still cannot see myself trading in my games. Fives years I may want to replay them.

Re:Only need to know... (2, Informative)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44623269)

2013 is really the break out year of IOS gaming
lots of strategy war games
xcom, the one that came out on the xbox this year is out for iOS
GTA is out for IOS
a space ship sim
MMO space fighting sims like the old wing commander

the ipad 4 had the power of an xbox 360 and apple is releasing a new version every year. unless you only play battlefield and call of duty, mobile gaming is where gaming is going.

Re:Only need to know... (1)

vux984 (928602) | about a year ago | (#44623341)

xcom, the one that came out on the xbox this year is out for iOS

Pointless. The game is great, the mods make it even better.

But the ios version, and xbox version, I imagine miss out on all that, cost more, and have fewer interface options, and a much smaller screen.

Honestly, I think the PC is making a comeback. Mobile gaming is huge, but its huge for mobile... when your at home and can choose, the PC gives you a hell of a lot more.

Re:Only need to know... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623801)

Its hard to convince people to drop the intricate plots and high detail level of PC games for lame crap like angry birds or a tower defense

Re:Only need to know... (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44624061)

Also if Nvidia perfected shield better with offering streaming at HIGHER quality to ANY android device with ANY input method then you could get MORE AWESOME portable gaming and still have need for a PC ;)

Re:Only need to know... (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44624087)

(or cloud service, which I guess may be more likely in the end.)

Re:Only need to know... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622471)

Less each day that passes towards the 15th. And shortly afterwards, the market will be flooded with them...

Re:Only need to know... (2)

Rinnon (1474161) | about a year ago | (#44622737)

What is a PS3 w/500gb HD worth on trade-in...

Don't forget that the PS4 does not support backwards compatibility, so if you have any desire to play your PS3 games you might want to hold on to it.

Re:Only need to know... (2)

sexconker (1179573) | about a year ago | (#44624285)

What is a PS3 w/500gb HD worth on trade-in...

Don't forget that the PS4 does not support backwards compatibility, so if you have any desire to play your PS3 games you might want to hold on to it.

PS4 will use Gaikai to provide cloud streaming bullshit for backwards compatibility.
At some point. For some titles. For a fee. For a limited time. In select regions.

Re:Only need to know... (1)

realmolo (574068) | about a year ago | (#44623463)

$150, at best, if you don't sell it RIGHT NOW. If you sell it right now, you might get $250.

Nobody wants old consoles.

Re: more important (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623577)

A better question is: Will Sony allow people to run Linux on their old, worthless PS3's once the PS4's are available?

(Hint: The answer to this question will affect the answer to your question.)

Re:Only need to know... (2)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about a year ago | (#44624023)

The PS4 lacks backward compatibility so keep it.

cold night in november (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622377)

I hate when they launch their device that late in the year. Sometime it snows at those date.

At least if the console has problem with overheating we can put it outside and play inside with long HDMI cable

Re:cold night in november (3, Informative)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44622439)

keep the air ducts clean and don't put anything on top of them and you should be OK

Re:cold night in november (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622965)

Ugg agree. Ugg wish had fire, like new tall Neanderthals. Ugg have furs. Will have to do.

Re:cold night in november (2)

DrXym (126579) | about a year ago | (#44623073)

Well don't buy it day-0. It's not like there will be a huge range of titles for it anyway. Same for the XBox One. If they sell well I'm sure Sony / Microsoft will make more of them.

1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622421)

Why?!?!?!
It's actually 1 EUR == 1.3425 USD! 1 GBP == 0.638 USD! WTF!!!!!

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (4, Informative)

kamapuaa (555446) | about a year ago | (#44622445)

EU price includes VAT, US price doesn't include sales tax, which evens it somewhat.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | about a year ago | (#44622497)

There are quite a few US states that have no sales tax at all, so that explanation doesn't quite work. If I wanted the PS4, I can swing past a store in New Hampshire and pick it up for exactly its $399 price tag, no additional taxes.

Granted some of the more, uh, government-happy states will inflate that price somewhat.

But even then, according to Wikipedia, the highest US sales tax is 15.5%, and Europe is looking at a 35% increase in price, so that explanation doesn't quite work. (Guess which state has a 15.5% sales tax? Hint: it's a blue one!)

The real answer is that people will pay the higher price in Europe, so that's what it'll sell for. If people refused to buy it at the inflated price, Sony would be forced to be more reasonable.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622527)

That extra PS4 money is paying for your socialized healthcare. Here is paying for programs to spy on everyone. Which is cheaper?

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622601)

That extra PS4 money is paying for your socialized healthcare. Here is paying for programs to spy on everyone. Which is cheaper?

Careful, you're talking to someone who's dismissing taxes outright as something only "more, uh, government-happy states" use and who lacks the impulse control to avoid inserting cheap, inaccurate swipes at taxation into an article about a video game console's release date. To this guy, chances are putting the word "socialized" in front of anything — heaven forbid it's healthcare — makes it a worse choice than literally anything else, so long as it comes from America.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

Dishevel (1105119) | about a year ago | (#44623169)

Some things need to be "Socialized" National Defense, Highways, Roads, Communications, Power, Water, Sewer. Nothing is cheaper and better when socialized. The question is what "Needs" to be socialized. Because I am sure we can all agree that anything that does not absolutely need it will be worse off due to it.

Re: 1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

Xeranar (2029624) | about a year ago | (#44624217)

Did you honestly say nothing is better or cheaper when socialized? We've proven for decades utilities, healthcare, and a vast amount of social welfare can be done better when there is no profit motive.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622609)

Oh my GOD. I am your fan man. Anonymous Cowards don have mod points or I would spend all mine right now.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622681)

Yeah, that is a large problem. Everyone hates on us. Do you want to go off and form a completely anonymous social network? You post pictures of other people's cats, talk about what you didn't eat for lunch. You will get randomly assigned a social group when you join, and they will switch without warning.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623235)

I wouldn't join that, but I'd sarcastically say I would whenever it was brought up around me.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

zidium (2550286) | about a year ago | (#44623239)

Ahhh! Battle.Net!

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (4, Insightful)

cruff (171569) | about a year ago | (#44622563)

There are quite a few US states that have no sales tax at all, so that explanation doesn't quite work. If I wanted the PS4, I can swing past a store in New Hampshire and pick it up for exactly its $399 price tag, no additional taxes.

Then, of course, being the fine upstanding citizen you are, you dutifully pay the sales tax due in your home state on goods purchased outside the state, so that difference probably evaporates. Oh, wait, no one does that. Never mind...

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623527)

How does one reconcile different sales tax rates within a state?

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

cruff (171569) | about a year ago | (#44623807)

Not sure what you are asking about here. Within a state, the state doesn't care if you go somewhere else with a lower municipal sales tax to make a purchase, because the state itself always gets its cut. The one exception I know of is motor vehicles, where you get hit with the tax appropriate to where you live, not where you purchased it, which is enforced because you must interact with the government apparatus to license it. Of course, tax laws being what they are, pretty much everyone is probably guilty of failing to pay some type of tax at some time or another. Businesses make decisions to locate in some states but not others due to inventory or use taxes...

Re: 1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

Xeranar (2029624) | about a year ago | (#44624247)

Actually there is very little evidence that businesses choose location based on taxes. Certain businesses like Amazon habe a certain hinge to their business around it but most businesses could care less. See New York City for a perfect example.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623587)

I might even feel bad not doing that if the government wasn't so proficient at wasting the money I already HAVE to give them.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623777)

Then, of course, being the fine upstanding citizen you are, you dutifully pay the sales tax due in your home state on goods purchased outside the state, so that difference probably evaporates. Oh, wait, no one does that. Never mind...

I don't track receipts. When I fill out my state income tax form online, there is a checkbox to 'estimate use tax', so I just do that. (I'm probably actually overpaying since most of what I buy online ends up collecting sales tax since they have business presence in my state anyways.)

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (5, Insightful)

zrelativity (963547) | about a year ago | (#44622603)

There are other more reasonable reasons why hardware may cost more in the EU than USA. For example, in USA, hardware typically only comes with a 6 months warranty. In Europe, your consumer protection is much much better; for example, it is not limited to month or even 1 year, but can be over a reasonable lifetime of the product, which maybe 3-4 years. Many consumer do not understand this and take out additional insurance covers which are usually unnecessary.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

farble1670 (803356) | about a year ago | (#44623085)

Sony electronic products in the US: 3 months.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623963)

In Gemany we have 2 years warranty for new (or 1 year for used) goods if you buying private from a bussines. And even 10 years warranty for specific deficiencies.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622805)

There are quite a few US states that have no sales tax at all, so that explanation doesn't quite work. If I wanted the PS4, I can swing past a store in New Hampshire and pick it up for exactly its $399 price tag, no additional taxes.

Granted some of the more, uh, government-happy states will inflate that price somewhat.

But even then, according to Wikipedia, the highest US sales tax is 15.5%, and Europe is looking at a 35% increase in price, so that explanation doesn't quite work. (Guess which state has a 15.5% sales tax? Hint: it's a blue one!)

The real answer is that people will pay the higher price in Europe, so that's what it'll sell for. If people refused to buy it at the inflated price, Sony would be forced to be more reasonable.

Or, possibly, the REAL real answer is that you haven't a clue what you are talking about. 399 USD (pretax) = 297 EUR. European prices MUST include VAT, so you have to add that on. VAT rates in europe are typically 20-25% ( http://www.ricksteves.com/plan/tips/vat-rates-europe.htm [ricksteves.com] ). That's a price range of 356-371. On top of that, much (all?) of europe has much tougher consumer protection laws, so it's more expensive to operate there when their shitty products begin breaking. So just pick an average price (makes marketing much easier), add on a few euros more to compensate for the laws (and a few more to round up to the next 9), and you've got your 399 EUR.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622823)

Your last line is of course correct.

But surely if it was priced higher in the US, say on a par with Europe people would still buy it at that price.

Still, it's a buyers market, if you want it, you will buy it.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623055)

But even then, according to Wikipedia, the highest US sales tax is 15.5%,...(Guess which state has a 15.5% sales tax? Hint: it's a blue one!)

None of them? I guess a non-existent state is both a blue state and a red state, as the null set has so many wonderful properties. The highest state sales tax, according to Wikipedia even, is 7.5% (also funny enough, three of the six states with 7+% sales tax are red states...).

You might have gotten the 15.5% from the max column, which is the highest rate possible, including both local taxes and charges for special categories. In the case of Illinois, you can get 15.5% if you purchase a soda at a downtown Chicago location. The highest sales tax you could pay for a piece of consumer electronics in Illinois would be 9.25% if you pay both the state and Chicago tax. The 15.5% instead includes the 9.25% Chicago & Illinois sales tax, plus 2.25% for food & groceries, 3% for a Chicago tax on soft drinks, and a 1% extra tax for getting prepared food downtown. So unless that PS4 is carbonated, and served at a restaurant in downtown Chicago, you don't have to worry about that tax rate. (Assuming Wikipedia is correct about those taxes adding up, it has been a couple years since I've eaten at a restaurant in Chicago...)

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (2)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about a year ago | (#44623237)

You don't get it. In the US sales tax isn't included in the advertised price. VAT is included in the advertised price.
Europe Base Price = Advertised Price - VAT
American Base Price = Advertised Price
The fact that some states have no sales tax is irrelavant because $399 doesn't include sales tax.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623417)

There are quite a few US states that have no sales tax at all, so that explanation doesn't quite work. If I wanted the PS4, I can swing past a store in New Hampshire and pick it up for exactly its $399 price tag, no additional taxes.

Granted some of the more, uh, government-happy states will inflate that price somewhat.

But even then, according to Wikipedia, the highest US sales tax is 15.5%, and Europe is looking at a 35% increase in price, so that explanation doesn't quite work. (Guess which state has a 15.5% sales tax? Hint: it's a blue one!)

The real answer is that people will pay the higher price in Europe, so that's what it'll sell for. If people refused to buy it at the inflated price, Sony would be forced to be more reasonable.

Part of it is that people are willing to pay a higher price; another part is that the European price automatically include an extended warranty against manufacturing defects (including without limitation the cost to find out if it is a manufacturing defect), and the US price doesn't.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623737)

(Guess which state has a 15.5% sales tax? Hint: it's a blue one!)

I give up. Please share with us which blue state has a 15.5% sales tax rate.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44624195)

There are quite a few US states that have no sales tax at all, so that explanation doesn't quite work.

Of course it still work because in the EU there is "sales tax."

Most toys cost more here.

plus warranty costs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622557)

Exchange rate is about 1,34. No European country that I know has 34% tax. They do usually mandate a two-year warranty though. Both together kinda even the difference out.

Re:plus warranty costs (2)

houghi (78078) | about a year ago | (#44623155)

They do usually mandate a two-year warranty though

No usually. The law says 2 years. (Batteries 6 months)
I used to work at a hardware company that sold extended warranties when the time went from one year to two years. The extended warranties were a nice extra income for the company. When the change to two years came, they just calculated how much less money they would make and upped the prices a little bit and made the same amount of profit in the end.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

DrXym (126579) | about a year ago | (#44623109)

Aside from that, the conversion is not from USD to EUR but from JPY and I expect an amount of currency hedging informs those figures. I also expect they'll round up at a drop of a hat if they think they can get away with it.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

GNious (953874) | about a year ago | (#44624085)

The local danish* price, incl taxes, equates to 645.90 USD.

*: Part of the EU

Please tell me where US sales-tax bump it anywhere near _that_ price.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622457)

Ooops I meant 0.638 USD == 1 GBP!

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

zrelativity (963547) | about a year ago | (#44622619)

try again ;-)

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622551)

For comparison,
399 USD = 297 EUR = 255 GBP
399 EUR = 535 USD = 342 GBP
350 GBP = 409 EUR = 549 USD

I suspect it wouldn't sell that well at ~550 USD at the states...

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (2, Interesting)

MaWeiTao (908546) | about a year ago | (#44622693)

People always complain about stuff being more expensive in Europe and totally overlook import tariffs, VAT, sales taxes and whatever other taxes the various nations of Europe like to assess. The United States demands virtually nothing to import products, which is why a Playstation 4 in the US will cost roughly what it costs in Japan. Sure, we do have sales tax in most States but that, even at it's worst barely exceeds 12%. There's a reason why the United States is a far bigger gaming market than the EU despite similar populations.

For all the taxation and expensive goods Europeans manage to save more than Americans. They're incredibly frugal. They're not embracing a subscription services with restrictive contracts like idiots,they're not obsessed with huge houses or bloated SUVs, they don't incur massive debt to make up for an income they think they deserve.

Socialized healthcare, well-maintained roads and extensive public transit all cost money. I used to think the American way was better. Americans generally have a lot more disposable income but also more personal financial responsibility. Not that I have any delusions that the American government is capable of building social programs. Europe isn't perfect, but they're a hell of a lot better at it than Americans. Unfortunately, consider how wasteful Americans have become.

So yeah, a $550 Playstation 4 would probably be a good thing for many Americans.

Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622949)

High costs encourage frugality (well discourage consumption at least), that is part of why a VAT is better for the economy that an income tax.

It discourages spending, this means that non necessary spending happend less, this diverts more money towards investment.

A short dramatic dialogue with Eric Holder: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622459)

TRG: In 2011 there were 448 black-on-white homicides in the U.S., according to FBI statistics.

Holder: Yes. So?

TRG: The same year, there were 193 white-on-black homicides.

Holder: Not sure where you're going with this...

TRG: Well, doing the math, that means that there were 2.3 times as many black-on-white as white-on-black homicides, correct?

Holder: That's arithmetically correct, but...

TRG: But there are also 195 million white Americans, but only 35 million or so black Americans. So there are roughly 5.7 times as many white as blacks, right?

Holder: I'm not sure what arithmetic has to do with the "complicated and emotionally charged issues" raised by the Trayvon Martin case.

TRG: Well, I'm just "speaking honestly"... doing the math, doesn't that mean that, in proportion to their population sizes, blacks are.... let's see, 2.3 times 5.7... 13 times more likely to kill whites than whites are to kill blacks?

Holder: Now, wait a minute...

TRG: Just "speaking honestly," Mister Attorney General... what has your department done to alleviate what appears to be a "disparate impact" in murder rates on white Americans?

And eBay/Paypal scalpers rejoice... (1)

gapagos (1264716) | about a year ago | (#44622569)

1- Order as many PS4 as you can
2- Sell them on eBay with $399 starting bid
3- Profit

Re:And eBay/Paypal scalpers rejoice... (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44622583)

yep, and when the PS3 came out they all went back to the store while the wii sold out to real people

Re:And eBay/Paypal scalpers rejoice... (1)

Tr3vin (1220548) | about a year ago | (#44622749)

I wouldn't be so sure. Ask people how that worked out with the WiiU. I'm sure a few made money but I don't think people will have any issues finding PS4s or XBox Ones this holiday season.

Re:Friend made $1500 with the ps3 (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year ago | (#44623081)

No one bothered with the WiiU because console makers artificially make sure all stores are out at Christmas to generate grassroots buzz on how they can't keep them on the shelves etc.

However, both Microsoft and Sony are acting different this time with very low cost and partially commoditized componets that make profit rather than a loss on each sold so who knows maybe this year it wil be different.

I would not doubt an illegal agreement somewhere which is good for the industry actually as MS only made money for the last 2 years of the whole XBoxes lifetime and I am sure Sony barely has broken even after what the crap they tried to pull with expensive proprietary ram and cpus.

Personally I hate fucking Sony still and do not want to do business with them! The drm rootkit and what they did with destroying speakers of MP3 listeners by booby trapping mp3s and others makes me root for Microsoft this time around. At least Microsoft is trying to make it more open and friendly to developers and no BAH $10 million up front fees or we wont publish YOUR GAME!! Crap that Sony pulls that makes only the big boys elgible. Ms did this a little too with the 360.

Hell, I have bills to pay and not enough time and money for a console so what the hell cares anyway. PC for life!

Hmmmm ... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44622605)

The system will be available for $399/â399/£349

Wow, based on current exchange rates ... the Europeans are getting screwed on that deal. (Assuming, of course, that Slashdot was capable of showing the euro and pound symbols, that is)

It looks like in real currency, they'll pay more for this. Is that typical?

Re:Hmmmm ... (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44622667)

399 USD =
297.206704 Euros
2 585.48629 Swedish kronor

Online prices in Sweden seem to be 3889 SEK atm.

But we've got 25% VAT so add that and you're up to 3232,50 kr.

We may also have better warranties and well, we're also getting somewhat screwed. But part of it is VAT.

Re:Hmmmm ... (1)

newcastlejon (1483695) | about a year ago | (#44622671)

Wow, based on current exchange rates ... the Europeans are getting screwed on that deal.?

We're used to it. With that said, buying something made by Sony at EU prices is rather like getting spit-roasted.

Re:Hmmmm ... (3, Informative)

Pulzar (81031) | about a year ago | (#44622719)

The EU prices include the sales tax (VAT), which is a bit over 20% in most EU countries. That's why they look worse than they are...

You're still getting screwed, but not just by the seller ;).

Re:Hmmmm ... (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about a year ago | (#44622883)

Well-put. I was trying to post something like that, but you said it better.

Re:Hmmmm ... (1)

Ardyvee (2447206) | about a year ago | (#44622731)

What are you talking about? I see the symbols just fine. Or did they fix them?

Re:Hmmmm ... (3, Interesting)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#44623143)

Wow, based on current exchange rates ... the Europeans are getting screwed on that deal. (Assuming, of course, that Slashdot was capable of showing the euro and pound symbols, that is)

It looks like in real currency, they'll pay more for this. Is that typical?

Well, the EU prices include tax(es) (don't forget VAT is 20+% in EU, plus import duties of 20+% as well). Then add in the cost of an extended warranty (because all durable goods have 2 years return-to-store mandatory warranty, sometimes 3 years) and it really comes out even in the end. I think Sony charges $50 for a 2 year extended warranty, too. Other places like Best Buy probably charge more.

So it's $399 US + 20% tax = $480 US + $50 extended warranty = $530 US is what the EU pays, or €395. Not bad. £338, which is close enough at today's rate.

And FYI - € is €, £ is £

Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? (2)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44622717)

In six years your PC will be.

Re:Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622773)

What? It's already there buddy...
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-High-End-GPUs-Benchmarked-4K-Resolutions

Re:Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about a year ago | (#44622943)

With Vsync disabled? Nope - won't be doing that.

Re: Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623949)

Fucking hate vsync. It's always the cause of mouse lag in my experience.

Every time I play a game and the mouse response feels slow, turn off vsync and continue to enjoy.

Re:Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44623861)

4k is here but my display or graphics card able to use it (for games) isn't. Heck as you can see in your own link with HDMI you're still stuck with 30 FPS at most and that's with 8 bit / color. (Maybe you could over clock what do I know (yeah there's tools to try higher refresh rates.))

People already complain on 60 Hz on computer monitors as too slow for games.

Given Sony's Track Record (1, Interesting)

apcullen (2504324) | about a year ago | (#44622803)

Given Sony's habit of disabling features, having the playstation network crash for days on end, and adding copy protection as a mandatory software upgrade, is anyone really interested in their next gen gaming system?

Re:Given Sony's Track Record (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622989)

Yes. There are, literally, a million of us.

Re:Given Sony's Track Record (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623001)

I think lots of people are hungry for a new console, and Microsoft has practically conceded this round to Sony with their "do things our way or else" approach to the XBone.

Re:Given Sony's Track Record (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623187)

Microsoft actually listened and back-tracked from all the bad stuff.
Sony is the opposite. They promise you the world, then deliver a steaming pile of turd - often crippling something after the fact.
After all the times people have been screwed with Sony products, you'd think people would learn by now. If you give Sony any money, I'll be laughing my ass off WHEN (not if) they screw you.

Your's truly,
a PS3 firmware 3.15 owner. (never again)

Re:Given Sony's Track Record (3, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44623047)

Not on launch day. But at $100 cheaper and Sony management that's at least capable of opening their mouths without immediately sticking their fucking feet in them, I'm a lot more optimistic about their chances in this next gen than Microsoft's. And I say that as a loyal Xbox1 and 360 fan.

Re:Given Sony's Track Record (3, Insightful)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year ago | (#44623173)

I believe the management at Sony proper that was responsible for those issues has been replaced.
Remember over the past few years they have been laying off quite a few employees.

Re:Given Sony's Track Record (1)

apcullen (2504324) | about a year ago | (#44624295)

I'll admit I wasn't aware of management changes at Sony. I hope this means that soon we'll be able to install linux on our PS3 again and that nonsensical cinevia support is going away.

Re:Given Sony's Track Record (1)

Master Moose (1243274) | about a year ago | (#44623223)

I am bowing out of this generations gaming systems and am sorry I took part in the last.

Re:Given Sony's Track Record (1)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | about a year ago | (#44623513)

Given the shitfest that was the Nintendo Wii (tiny VirtualConsole releases, horrible Internet experience), the XBOX360 (RROD, XBox Live Gold) and the PS3 (Other OS removed) there's no way in hell I'm interested in any next gen gaming system.

Re:Given Sony's Track Record (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44624155)

ASUS GTX 760 DC2OC 2GB vram = 259.99 on newegg.
Good keyboard and mouse = $140
= Same price.

Performance = about equal or better on the PC?

Sure I know there's more to a PC than that. But some cheaper shit may be sufficient and PCs got other usages to and what not. Prices will fall to.

Re:Given Sony's Track Record (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about a year ago | (#44623687)

Yes I preorded one after E3. I have purchased a playstation, ps3, and a ps3. I got my moneys worth out of all of them. The consoles worked and lasted a long time. Handed down my playstation and ps2 to my younger brother. Plenty of fun and wierd games. I have regretted several PC's that I purchased. I had a couple break just after warrenty went up. Killed a PC trying to install a new graphics card. Have purchased games that ran like crap for PC. I was sort of hoping Valve would announce a date for the Steam Box.

Re:Given Sony's Track Record (1)

apcullen (2504324) | about a year ago | (#44624271)

Fair enough. My wife's HP laptop died literally 1 week after the warranty expired, and our PS3 still works.

Still, I can't play with linux on it anymore. To play The Campaign I have to use my physical disc, and every time I watch netflix I need to do some kind of system update first. I thought there should be some discussion of that.

And when will the games be ready? (0)

_xeno_ (155264) | about a year ago | (#44622851)

OK, so the PS4 will launch on November 15th.

When will the games that make it worth owning launch?

As far as I know, the majority of the PS4 launch titles are ports of games from other platforms. The only one I'm even remotely interested in is Watchdogs, but there's no chance I'd try and play that on consoles. (Or buy it without first finding out what horrible DRM scheme Ubisoft is going to inflict on it.)

I've still yet to hear of a game for the PS4 that makes the console worth buying.

And even if there were, I'd still want to wait a couple of years to find out what horrible launch problem the PS4 will be saddled with and what features Sony is going to rip out after launch.

Re:And when will the games be ready? (1)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year ago | (#44623191)

Normally consoles are not as bad as PC when it comes to DRM, since the expectation is you won't be able to run it without the physical media. With the PC though that's not been the case for quite a while now, so they tack on game breaking DRM to try and make sure people cannot play the game.

Re:And when will the games be ready? (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about a year ago | (#44623823)

Unless another game I haven't heard about yet shows up and convinces me I have to play it, I'll probably get it when Final Fantasy XV comes out, which at the moment isn't more specific than "sometime in 2014".

No thanks (4, Interesting)

tippe (1136385) | about a year ago | (#44622879)

Even forgiving all of the dumb-ass scams Sony has pulled over the years that have alienated me as a customer, the one thing that keeps reminding me why I hate them so much is the forced updates that I have to endure almost every single time I turn on my PS3. I only use the thing a couple of times a month (for movies, usually), and it seems like almost every time I turn it on I need to apply some update, and if I refuse the machine refuses to let me do whatever it is I wanted to do. Why??? Because of this, almost every movie I want to watch on the thing becomes 15-30 minutes of dicking around with updates, rebooting, etc, followed by 90 or 120 minutes of movie. WTF. I've never seen any other product that was so antagonistic towards its user. It's a constant reminder that Sony doesn't give a shit about me and would gladly throw me under a bus if it meant they could make another dollar off me. I'm sure other companies think the same way, but at least most of them have the decency of not being so blindingly obvious about it. Up yours Sony, you can keep your PS4.

Re:No thanks (4, Interesting)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year ago | (#44623213)

Sorry dude, blame the studios for that.

They setup DRM type checks on BD movies, which requires updates to be able to play. It's why if you take a 4 year old BD player it wont play a recently released BD movie most likely.

Re:No thanks (5, Informative)

geeper (883542) | about a year ago | (#44623331)

You can set it up to automatically run updates at whatever time of day you want. It will turn on, update (including games) and then power itself back off after a period of inactivity. That is how I set mine and I never wait for updates anymore. That doesn't excuse the other behavior but it may help you with regards to updates.

Re:No thanks (1)

tippe (1136385) | about a year ago | (#44623547)

Thanks for the tip. I think I'll try enabling that, in the hope of making it less annoying to use. I still won't buy a PS4, though...

Re:No thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44624273)

The problem is, you have to pay for PlayStation Plus in order to get that feature to work.

Re:No thanks (3, Interesting)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about a year ago | (#44623345)

PS4 has dedicated hardware to download updates when its sleeping. XBox One also has this. They also added support to play games while they download. Of course their servers could suck.

Re: No thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623983)

Disconnect it from the internet, baddie

Ugly boxes (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#44623095)

The upcoming consoles, PS4 and XB1, seem quite exciting otherwise, but I think they totally failed at the enclosure design. Both of them have an ugly 80s VCR look...

Re:Ugly boxes (0)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about a year ago | (#44623251)

> The upcoming consoles, PS4 and XB1, seem quite boring

FTFY.

I already have a GTX Titan + 512 GB SSD + 16 GB RAM. I'm not a hardcore gamer - just someone who likes to explore rendering algorithms. Xbone or PS4 are basically a 2 year old PC. *yawn*.

Re:Ugly boxes (1)

lgw (121541) | about a year ago | (#44624315)

Sure, but OTOH my 2 year old PC plays everything fine at 1920x1200. Perhaps that's deceptive since most games were made for last-gen consoles, but still - stull looks pretty good on it.

high price (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44623283)

was wondering when the Playstation 4 would come out. $399 USD is a bit pricy for me. will wait for the price to go down.

Canada? (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#44623517)

Google tells me that with the current exchange rate, the PS4 should sell for 414.44 Canadian dollars. You can bet your ass that it won't be as low as that, I'm expecting at least 429 or even 449. And every Canadian pays a sales tax which varies from 5 to 15% depending on the province.

Re:Canada? (1)

Shados (741919) | about a year ago | (#44623725)

The awkward moment when you realize exchange rate is only one factor in the equation for setting prices, EVEN if you were to factor out corporate greed.

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