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Single Developer Responsible For Over 47k Apps In BlackBerry World

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the go-big-or-go-home dept.

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hypnosec writes "If you are a BlackBerry owner, navigate to BlackBerry World (or just visit the website) and you will find that developer S4BB has developed over 47k apps for the BB platform. Unsurprisingly, most of them are just spammy apps that don't add any value. Apps like 'Restart Me Free,' 'Daily Quote,' 'Lock for SMS,' 'Search for Amazon,' 'Silent Foto Free' are just a few among the thousands of apps on BlackBerry World that actually have no utility whatsoever. BlackBerry announced back in May that developers were increasingly interested in making apps for the platform, and that BlackBerry World had more than 120,000 apps. This raises questions about the authenticity of the claims, and about the approval process that's been accepting these apps. S4BB may have a few useful apps for the platform, but that doesn't mean all of their apps are of 'A' quality. A statement from BlackBerry said, 'Developers in all app stores employ a number of different monetization tactics. BlackBerry World is an open market for developers and we let market forces dictate the success or failure of these tactics.'"

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heh (5, Funny)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#44634873)

We let market forces dictate the success or failure of these tactics

The same market forces that cause no one I know to actually own a blackberry?

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44634967)

~LOL~ I was thinking the same thing.

Re:heh (2)

realmolo (574068) | about a year ago | (#44635025)

Exactly.

Blackberry is dead in the United States, and it will be dead in the rest of the world within the next 5 years. Probably less. They blew it.

Re:heh (4, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year ago | (#44635081)

They blew it.

There's an app for that.

Re:heh (5, Funny)

OakDragon (885217) | about a year ago | (#44635299)

They blew it.

There's an app for that.

If that were true, it might have saved them!

Re:heh (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#44635899)

In the same sense that a BSOD used to "save" Windows.

Re:heh (5, Funny)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year ago | (#44635545)

Judging by their market standards, there's probably some 47,000 apps for that.

Re:heh (2)

narcc (412956) | about a year ago | (#44635127)

Weren't they supposed to be dead by 2012 then 2013? Now, suddenly, they'll be dead in the next 5 years? I'm starting to see a trend.

Yes, I've used iOS and Android. No thanks. I'll stick to the uncool platform that actually meets my needs.

The excellent developer tools are just icing on an already tasty cake.

Re:heh (3, Insightful)

Russ1642 (1087959) | about a year ago | (#44635221)

Companies seem to stick around quite a while after they're dead. Kodak is still around for crying out loud. Doesn't make them any less dead.

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635321)

Chapter 11 is far from dead. Sorry that yo don't understand how business and finance actually work.
 
I've always said that Slashdot is a great place for market advice... take whatever you retards say and do the opposite.

what's in between bankruptcy and dead? (2)

raymorris (2726007) | about a year ago | (#44635515)

"Chapter 11 is far from dead. "

Far, huh? What's the distance, as in what exists between bankrupt (Kodak) and dead?
Their income is down 70% over the last five years. Sure, the last five years have sucked for everyone, but a 70% drop is perilously close to 100%.

That said, it WAS a huge company 20 years ago, so even after shutting down most of the company they still had half a billion in revenue for 2012.

Re:what's in between bankruptcy and dead? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#44635575)

I'm happy! I think I'll go for a walk!

Re:heh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635521)

Chapter 11 is death in every sense of the word related to business. Now before you get all high and mighty about someone contradicting you...how many RIM shares do you own? Thought so - fuck off.

Re:heh (1, Flamebait)

NeverWorker1 (1686452) | about a year ago | (#44636259)

Just to be a pedant, nobody owns RIM shares anymore. They might, however, own BBRY shares.

Re:heh (1)

CadentOrange (2429626) | about a year ago | (#44635533)

You're approaching this from a financial perspective. Let's approach this from a product perspective. Kodak is dead.

Re:heh (1)

pr0fessor (1940368) | about a year ago | (#44635733)

Kodak consumer cameras are everywhere along with printers, ink, paper, and print kiosks not so sure I would say dead... maybe stagnant. A camera is a single purpose device but everyone has a cell phone with a camera and even cheap ones can have 5 mega-pixels. {better than 3.5x5 photo stock}

Re:heh (1)

Dzimas (547818) | about a year ago | (#44636315)

Kodak exited the consumer digital camera market in 2006 when they handed over the design, manufacturing and distribution of camera equipment to Flextronics.

Re:heh (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | about a year ago | (#44635361)

Just be ause the headless chicken continues to run around the yard does not mean it's alive.

Blackberry is dead and has been for a while. The body just hasn't realized it yet.

Re:heh (1)

Falkentyne (760418) | about a year ago | (#44635391)

So.. Windows Phone 8?

Re:heh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635541)

Can you tell us one, just one, need that isn't met on iOS or Android?

Re:heh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635649)

OS not 'approved by NSA'?

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635919)

OS not 'approved by NSA'?

Prove Blackberry isn't.

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635687)

Blackberry is dead in the United States, and it will be dead in the rest of the world within the next 5 years. Probably less. They blew it.

Exactly. They should have gotten the extra revenue from handing over all their info to the NSA.

Re:heh (1)

WarJolt (990309) | about a year ago | (#44635233)

Assuming it takes a week to write each app, 40 hours a week and $20 an hour. 47000* 40*20 that a $37.6 million worthless investment because no one buys blackberry apps. I say that's a conservative estimate.

Re:heh (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44635287)

I say that's a conservative estimate.

I'd say that's a very generous estimate.

We're likely talking about shovelware, which doesn't really do much. If you just crank out an endless stream of nearly identical apps ... well, you can produce useless garbage much faster than that.

Do you really think this 47k useful, well thought out apps that have any meaningful functionality? Me, I figure he's made a crap ton on minor variants of a handful of apps and submitted them.

This sounds more like the PT Barnum school of application development.

Re:heh (2)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year ago | (#44635305)

Assuming it takes a week to write each app

Bad assumption. Once you have a basic "app framework", the apps listed should take about ten minutes each.

Re:heh (2)

mlk (18543) | about a year ago | (#44635311)

How many are the same application with a config value changed?

Re:heh (2)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about a year ago | (#44635465)

I seriously doubt that the average turnaround time for an app that restarts your phone or turns on the camera flash is a week of full-time labor. It's not like they write the same boilerplate code for each app, they import the framework and then add the app-specific logic.

BlackBerry World has been live for 52 months. So they have produced an average of 903 apps per month, or ~225 apps per week, or ~29 apps per day. They aren't spending a week on each app, and they have not put in 37 million dollars worth of labor time. If you think they have a staff of 225 programmers working full-time to produce free smiley apps or apps that do nothing except play a single sound [s4bb.com] , then I think your estimate is not exactly conservative.

Re:heh (2)

Exitar (809068) | about a year ago | (#44635781)

At the rate of one app per week, the guy should have been born in 1109.

Re:heh (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#44635965)

At 47,000 apps, hes got a template churning them out. Plug in a few values and its done.

Re:heh (1)

jandrese (485) | about a year ago | (#44636231)

Look at the app list. He's clearly writing them with a script. One app for every sound in his stock sounds folder. One app for every link in his bookmarks file. That sort of thing. There are a few oddball apps here and there that probably took a couple of hours to crank out, but this guy is not spending real time on the vast majority of his works. He's clearly using a spray and pray approach, hoping that enough random $0.99 downloads of apps that just load the mobile version of the webpage you could have gotten with the browser or play a single sound will give him a steady income.

Re:heh (4, Interesting)

cybermancer (99420) | about a year ago | (#44635235)

I actually have a Blackberry Playbook (I realize you don't know me, so it doesn't invalidate your claim). It is really nice hardware. The OS is a little weird in places, but it is very fast. The killer is there are so few apps that I want to download. Discovery of useful apps in their store is not very easy either.

It is sad. Mostly use it for email and web surfing.

Re:heh (4, Insightful)

ScottCooperDotNet (929575) | about a year ago | (#44635303)

You mean the Blackberry device that didn't come with an email app at launch? And doesn't have it's own cell connection, requiring a Blackberry to piggyback off of? The device reeks of 'design by committee'.

Re:heh (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44635451)

My wife has one too. And it crashes, hangs, and is generally not very useful.

It's also had terrible battery life, and BB has stopped issuing updates for it.

It's a product which was DOA.

Re:heh (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about a year ago | (#44635881)

If you aren't just trolling then it may be defective. I haven't had any of the issues you just mentioned. The battery lasts for weeks with light use. If you would like to still use it I would suggest reinstalling the OS clean [blackberry.com] and see if it doesn't clear up.

Re:heh (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about a year ago | (#44635815)

You know you can install Android [goodereader.com] apps on it...right?

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635407)

So where is the same analysis of the bazillion apps in itunes or google play? Any idea how many useless apps are in there? Who are the publishers with the largest number of apps in those ecosystems? I've never seen any stats on that.

Re:heh (3, Interesting)

Skater (41976) | about a year ago | (#44635603)

I have one, albeit not my own - it's my employer's. (It's a "Curve" - not the current BB 10 OS.)

I really don't like it. We're apparently getting iPhones soon to replace them, and I'm ready. I have an S3 now, my previous phone was an iPhone 3GS (which I still use for one app that doesn't have an Android version), so I've used all three OSes, and honestly, BB's is annoying to use. Other than checking my work email, I rarely use the phone. I thought the physical keyboard would be a plus, but it turns out I can type as well on my 3GS or my S3 as I can with the BB, and when I'm not typing on the iOS/Android, I get a bigger useful screen.

One other annoying quirk that ensures I'll never be tempted to buy a BB: It only charges off its own included charger, and my Samsung S3's charger. No other charger works. We probably have 25 or 30 USB chargers around the house, in the cars, etc., for a bunch of devices - we have several iPods around, an iPad, iPhones, my Samsung phone, my Asus tablet, plus a bunch more chargers of various brands. I tried every last charger; the phone simply refuses to charge from all but the BB and Samsung ones. So, when I need the BB most, when I'm traveling, I have to remember to grab one of those two chargers (one of which I keep at work). (Note, my Asus tablet is the same way - it only works with its own charger - but at least it doesn't have a standard USB port interface, either. And that USB charger WILL charge my Samsung phone, so except for the BB I would only need to carry that charger.) At least with the iPhone 5 I'd only need the Lightning cable, any USB charger will work with it.

Re:heh (2)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about a year ago | (#44635983)

One man's trash I guess. I am in the exact opposite camp. I have a 4S, a Galaxy SII, and a BB Bold 9900. I haven't turned the 4S on in months and I use the SII for games. The email on the iPhone and Android are cumbersome to me compared to BB and having to remember to change the password for email on my phone when I change it on my PC so I don't get locked out is a PITA. My BB is always connected to the company network but if I want to connect on the iPhone I have to launch VPN and if the screen times out while I am making a decision I have to start the whole process over. I am waiting for the company to roll out a BES 10 and maybe then the iPhone won't be such a burden to use. Ironic a BlackBerry product might make the iPhone more palatable. It also may just be the thing that keeps BlackBerry relevant.

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44636011)

One other annoying quirk that ensures I'll never be tempted to buy a BB: It only charges off its own included charger, and my Samsung S3's charger.

Bizarre. I too have a curve, and I've never encountered a usb cable that doesn't charge it.

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44636247)

My employer (a major tertiary medical center in the Southeast US) is finally officially dumping Blackberry after several years. The humorous part is that for most employees they are getting rid of company-supplied phones altogether, and instead letting people get reimbursed for the smartphone of their choice. The program is being touted in official communications as "Bye-Bye Blackberry". That's got to make RIM wince.

Re:heh (1)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | about a year ago | (#44635821)

Hey wait a second...I own a blackberry. Two actually. They're sitting in a drawer with a bunch of other old and obsolete phones.

At one point, I was against touchscreens - that was back when they sucked. These days, just about anything running android and iphones are better than anything Rim ever put out.

Re:heh (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about a year ago | (#44636061)

"The same market forces that cause no one I know to actually own a blackberry?"

That's a different subject.

People who expect a "walled garden" like Apple or even Google are surprised. Okay.

But the old saying, which has been around far longer than smartphones, is "Caveat Emptor". If you don't like a free marketplace then don't buy shit there. If you do like a free marketplace, don't download shit programs. Neither the law or the world are supposed to be designed to protect people from their own stupidity.

Having said that: yes, Blackberry made some marketing mistakes. But they are unrelated to what moves on their app store. Then, though, there is that third thing: Blackberry probably should not be counting 1k-byte shit apps in its total.

47k apps from one person? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44634907)

The same app submitted under thousands of names - in the hope that some will "buy to try"...

Re:47k apps from one person? (4, Informative)

kasperd (592156) | about a year ago | (#44635073)

The same app submitted under thousands of names - in the hope that some will "buy to try"...

Yeah, that can hardly be called development. How much effort does one have to put into developing an app in order to produce something new? I don't think you can do much in one day.

Putting this number in some perspective, the oldest person ever lived for 44724 days. So nobody would reach 47k applications at one per day.

Re:47k apps from one person? (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#44635149)

Yeah, but if all you're changing is a config file that has queryurl="amazon.com?search=[value]" and backgroundcolor="green", you could probably release 100 a day.

Re:47k apps from one person? (4, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | about a year ago | (#44635325)

If you have any scripting skills at all, you could do a lot more than that.

-jcr

Re:47k apps from one person? (1)

msobkow (48369) | about a year ago | (#44636139)

If a shell script is an "app", then the bar has been set too low.

Re:47k apps from one person? (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44635187)

Putting this number in some perspective, the oldest person ever lived for 44724 days. So nobody would reach 47k applications at one per day.

Maybe not 'real' applications, but the 'give me some money, advertising revenue, and access to your personal information' things.

This is not too different from pushing penny stocks -- they're mostly worthless, but if you can convince someone else to buy it from you, you can still make money.

And it sounds like BB is perfectly willing to allow this to happen, likely so they can have the illusion that there are in fact apps for the platform.

I think it pretty much sums up their current state -- dying, and desperately hoping that someone else will write something to make their platform compelling.

Re:47k apps from one person? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635759)

Isn't this like how most applications out there are terrible? 90% of all applications are cheap soundboards or other gimmicky applications.

Re:47k apps from one person? (1)

vux984 (928602) | about a year ago | (#44635895)

And it sounds like BB is perfectly willing to allow this to happen, likely so they can have the illusion that there are in fact apps for the platform.

Its a mind bogglingly stupid numbers game. The reality is that 100,000 or 2,000,000 apps in an app store is a completely worthless indication.

Their was guy who won "every game on steam" back in 2011 has ~1800 games. Now I'm sure there are dozens (even hundreds?) of titles added since then. But still we're capping out at 2500 titles.

Now that's certainly not every game ever made, and it certainly leaves out some first class titles as well, and its just games not 'apps' (maps, messaging, note taking, document editing, cloud storage access, etc etc etc etc...)

But it gives you sense of the scale of a 'big app store' that REALLY has honest to goodness curation.

So realistically there are probably quite a bit less than 20,000 "real" apps. And if you took out the games, and just looked at the productivity stuff people needed the number of titles that anyone actually cares about likely numbers in the low hundreds.

So 100,000 apps? A million? Two million? Its all mostly just truly worthless garbage.

An app store with the right apps could be "fully stocked" and "compelling" with more than everything its customer base would really need or want or care about with as few as 500-1500 apps.

Re:47k apps from one person? (1)

Megane (129182) | about a year ago | (#44635911)

I would have trouble coming up with 47k app names. It's hard enough just trying to come up with sane function and variable names in namespaces two or three orders of magnitude smaller.

was noticing this on Google Play (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44634937)

There was one dev that had the same app (if you can call it that) with the same name listed about 20 times with a different graphic image for the link.

Re:was noticing this on Google Play (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635655)

There was one dev that had the same app (if you can call it that) with the same name listed about 20 times with a different graphic image for the link.

I see those a lot as well. I also see people pushing "ringtone" apps or "wallpaper" apps which just open up a web browser session and connect to some site or another.

The biggest problem, and with all the markets, is that it's easy to get a "top rating" even when your apps are shit. If you make enough money for the people who own the store, you get a top rating. If you get enough raw download numbers, you get a top rating. If you get enough astroturfers rating your app up, you get a top rating.

This xkcd sums up the major problem with all the app stores: http://xkcd.com/937/

better than the alternative (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44634953)

I'd rather have an app store full of spammy apps than one that rejects good apps for no reason (or because they compete with the manufacturer's own apps)

Re:better than the alternative (5, Insightful)

osu-neko (2604) | about a year ago | (#44635385)

I'd rather have an app store full of spammy apps than one that rejects good apps for no reason (or because they compete with the manufacturer's own apps)

You may very well think that, but market forces dictate success, as noted, and the market seems to think it's better to have an app store where you can actually find useful applications because they're not buried under a mountain of crap.

Re:better than the alternative (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year ago | (#44635555)

According to sales figures, just about no one agrees with you.

So, apps are like the ones for Windows 8 then? (0)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about a year ago | (#44634961)

it sure does sound like all those Win 8 apps nobody uses ...

BlackBerry Wanted Numbers, SB44 gave them numbers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44634979)

As far a marketing is concerned this is a symbiotic relationship. Long live SB44,.... no wait, he was more then 1/3rd of our numbers, and now the world knows?

wtf do we do now, uber weaselly marketing speak follows. (watch for it)

Better than Some (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44634981)

Most of these, useless as they may be, still sound to be more useful than fart apps.

Re:Better than Some (1)

xevioso (598654) | about a year ago | (#44636077)

The guy who made iFart made 80,000$ within two weeks of launch.

The company is purely virtual... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44634993)

If you go to the company website at http://www.s4bb.com/about/, you find its location as :

S4BB Limited
1104 Crawford House
70 Queen’s Road Central
Central
Hong Kong

Interestingly, this address is a virtual office, as shown on

http://www.jumpstartoffices.com/eng/virtual-office/hong-kong/crawford-house/

This means that you have no slightest idea of where this company is located...

Re:The company is purely virtual... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635805)

This means that you have no slightest idea of where this company is located...

Well DUH, they're not located anywhere man, they're in The Cloud!

Welll I am guessing that S4BB stands for (5, Funny)

totalnet (732635) | about a year ago | (#44635033)

spam for BlackBerry.

Re:Welll I am guessing that S4BB stands for (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635185)

spam for BlackBerry.

It's actually Spam for BlackBerry Free.

Re:Welll I am guessing that S4BB stands for (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44636271)

You're modded funny, but this does in fact match S4BB perfectly. I'm wondering if the person(s) doing the apps was doing a minor jab at their employer...

S4BB, Chinese app factory (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635051)

S4BB has offices in HK and literally a warehouse of devs in China. They churn this shovelware out. No surprise Blackberry eats it all up.

FIRST POST! (5, Funny)

localman57 (1340533) | about a year ago | (#44635075)

FIRST POST! -This automated post is a service of S4BB Slashdot First Post Blackberry App

Re:FIRST POST! (3, Funny)

operagost (62405) | about a year ago | (#44635605)

Your automated post was BLOCKED FROM VIEWING by S4BB Slashdot First Post Blocker Blackberry App

It's amazing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635103)

The reason Blackberry is suffering is because no jounralists post anything positive, ever.

Pot, Kettle, Black. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635105)

Really this is a pot calling a kettle black. Android of all the platforms has the most useless number of apps.

Re:Pot, Kettle, Black. (1)

Russ1642 (1087959) | about a year ago | (#44635245)

Go and add a million completely useless apps to the Google Play store and it would have no effect whatsoever. It's not like people actually go and install them. (those that do are the same ones who respond to Nigerian prince scams)

most of them don't add value??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635129)

Who do they think they are, the apple app store?

Allow me to put the media on some fucking knowledg (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635137)

Allow me to put the media on some fucking knowledge here that should give them nightmares.

I am a born and raised Southern boy. I am not from a family of rednecks. My ancestral family tree skipped "redneck" and shot straight to "hillbilly".

For every ONE card carrying NRA hat wearing gun owner you see, be advised that there are, depending on locale, anywhere from 100-10,000 other gun nuts in the general vicinity who don't belong to the NRA because they don't feel the NRA is doing enough for gun rights. That's right, candy-asses. They don't feel the NRA is STRONG ENOUGH ON GUN RIGHTS.

I let my membership lapse in the 90s since I, and a lot of others, felt the NRA screwed the pooch on not fighting the AWB and the Brady Bill hard enough. I didn't even renew until sometime in the early 2004 timeframe. I have at least a dozen friends on my phone contact list right now who are rabid gun lovers and they will laugh at you when you push the NRA as a viable organization for them.

I love this idée fixe the media has with the NRA. It's why you keep getting your asses handed to you in the voting booth. Please keep fucking that particular chicken.

Re:Allow me to put the media on some fucking knowl (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635279)

It's why you keep getting your asses handed to you in the voting booth.

Yeah, that President Romney sure is a bummer for us, not to mention the GOP-controlled Senate.

Start rounding up the circular firing squad for 2016, Zed. Maybe we can get Rick Perry to forget what branch of government he wants to shut down during a nationally televised debate again.

Re:Allow me to put the media on some fucking knowl (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635315)

The world's oldest civil rights organization, the NRA, isn't the same group of people assassinating Americans overseas, collecting your email, and harassing political opponents. Those are the exclusive province of the Obama administration.

Fake blackberry skin has some value. (4, Funny)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about a year ago | (#44635213)

One of the old posts in slashdot suggested people with desirable phones like iPhones and Samsung androids to get fake blackberry like skin to make the phone less attractive to thieves and snatchers. So if Blackberry copyrights the skin design they can actually make some money off their own suckitude.

Re:Fake blackberry skin has some value. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44636089)

[form factors are not copyrighted, they are patented with what's called a design patent - look it up]

Ebook, Audiobook, Comicbook (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about a year ago | (#44635215)

Doesn't Apple and Android also allow selling books as apps? Then you have all the apps that are little more than portals to websites. All of these are legit. Looking at counts is pretty silly.

Re:Ebook, Audiobook, Comicbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635371)

And both platforms likely have more in raw numbers terms and maybe even in % terms.

But are they all from one company?

Just like the other app stores (1, Flamebait)

kcloud (3026515) | about a year ago | (#44635259)

Nothing new about this. 60% of the apps in the Apple app store have never been downloaded. Android apps the same. The whole argument about who has the most apps, or if a lot of them are useless spammy apps seems a bit pointless. If your going to single out one platform, that is. http://bit.ly/Rfb9FV [bit.ly]

47K out of 120K (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about a year ago | (#44635273)

So basically one person wrote half of all of the BB apps?

Re:47K out of 120K (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635375)

Please tell me you're an accountant.

Re:47K out of 120K (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635479)

try 40%

Re:47K out of 120K (2)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about a year ago | (#44635511)

One company, and 40%.

No utility whatsoever? (4, Insightful)

timmyf2371 (586051) | about a year ago | (#44635425)

While I'm sure there are plenty of apps on all platforms that have no utility whatsoever, the submitter did a poor job in selecting some of the apps in the BB App World that would be worthy of this description.

Restart me free: Seems useful enough in that it allows a restart of the device without having pull the battery. Is it really any less useful than creating a shortcut which opens the All Apps menu on the Windows 8 start menu?
Daily Quote: I would have no use for this app, however this doesn't diminish the value it has to the people who use it.
Silent Foto Free: as the name suggests, this app lets you take photos without the shutter noise. Could be useful in some situations; taking photos at a chess tournament immediately comes to mind.
Lock for SMS: lets you PIN protect any app on the device. Surely ideal for parents wanting to stop their youngsters from accessing particular apps?
Search for Amazon: looks like it simply redisplays the Amazon mobile site in an app and adds a few features e.g. writing a review into the native interface. In the absence of an official Amazon app for the Blackberry, it may well be useful for the avid Amazon shopper.

Re:No utility whatsoever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635543)

Completely agree. This is just another stupid Blackberry bashing article. What is with America's hate for Blackberry. I recently saw a CNN article on Hilary Clinton, about how she could be the next President. In it there were all kinds of pictures, and a lot of them had her CLEARLY holding a Blackberry. Every caption said things like, "Hilary checking her PDA". You can be sure if it was an iPhone, they would not have called it a PDA.

If you do not own a Z10 and bash Blackberry you are just ignorant and uninformed.

Re:No utility whatsoever? (3, Funny)

6ULDV8 (226100) | about a year ago | (#44635557)

Search for Amazon: looks like it simply redisplays the Amazon mobile site in an app and adds a few features e.g. writing a review into the native interface. In the absence of an official Amazon app for the Blackberry, it may well be useful for the avid Amazon shopper.

Especially while shopping for a new phone.

Re:No utility whatsoever? (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44635717)

It's more like the "Wikipedia books" by Books LLC [wikipedia.org] or VDM Publishing [wikipedia.org] , or perhaps the more creative approach of Philip M. Parker [singularityhub.com] . You generate a lot of stuff that nobody's interested in, but every now and then, you create something people actually buy. If the costs are low enough, it's even profitable.

Re:No utility whatsoever? (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about a year ago | (#44636101)

Until someone who buys your random numbers [google.com] app sues you for your numbers being insufficiently random.

Re:No utility whatsoever? (1)

OhHellWithIt (756826) | about a year ago | (#44635863)

Search for Amazon: looks like it simply redisplays the Amazon mobile site in an app and adds a few features e.g. writing a review into the native interface. In the absence of an official Amazon app for the Blackberry, it may well be useful for the avid Amazon shopper.

Given the tortoise-like speed of BlackBerry's web browser, just about anything that could be done on the web is better done in a BlackBerry app. When Google made a search app that ran on my BlackBerry, I used it all the time. Then I lost my copy of that app in a wipe/reload, and the newer version of their app won't install on my device, so now I have to use the web browser. In the time it takes for the search page to load, I can generally get to a computer or Android tablet and enter my query there instead. (Admittedly, I'm using a 3-year-old device on Verizon 3G, but still....)

Reminds me... (1)

Skiron (735617) | about a year ago | (#44635475)

...of the hundreds of silly VB programmes around found on the *free* sites in the late '90's~ that opened the CD Tray on Windows machines.

Re:Reminds me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635629)

. . .opened the CD Tray on Windows machines

The cup holder?

The same thing happens on Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44635519)

I know a few people that make money from Android by literally making shitty time-waster or simple apps that have ad-space for much better apps and sell it to other devs.
They make like >£100 a month off it alone for an app.

So many of them are dupes of each other with different skins as well, basically, or slightly different layouts, different fonts.
Policing it would be a nightmare. But would it be morally right or wrong to?
It is a hard thing to cut either way because in one sense limiting freedom is just going to piss people off, but trying to police copycat or money-grab apps would equally be hard, especially since a bunch actually have really good ratings. (either through flood-rating high scores or legit)

Re:The same thing happens on Android (1)

XcepticZP (1331217) | about a year ago | (#44635719)

It's rather simple to police. Just disable the ability of apps to deliver advertising. Only police that, and the majority of the apps you mention would be worthless.

And once you've instituted that policy, then you can remove apps with a less than 100 downloads per year, or at whatever level you want. Apps need to be useful, and you need to trim the list of apps down every once in a while.

The more of these silly apps and their variations exist, the more useless garbage noise I have when searching for an app I REALLY want to use.

The whole advertising model for apps may have improved the ecosystem and quantity of apps initially. But it's getting worse as app clone developers get more desperate, and people get more wise to filtering out the spam apps. This happened with normal web advertisements, and look where we are now.

Port-A-Thon (1)

leglock (2725807) | about a year ago | (#44636227)

I wonder if they got filthy rich during the Blackberry Port-A-Thon [blackberry.com] .

Having had all three platforms (1)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | about a year ago | (#44636245)

I far and away prefer the Android.
I had an ancient BB World edition, for the QWERTY keyboard (and that's about all it could do well, text/email)
A had an Android tablet (tegra quad core something, cost me a pretty penny too) and the Android app store was quite easy to search.
I now have an iPhone 4 and I *hate* it, typing any text it terrible, not least of which for the constant autocorrect getting in the way, but it's very difficult to find anything useful in the app store (a battery meter that displays a numerical percentage for example)
I've encountered more BS apps in the Apple world than I ever did in the Android environment.
Next phone will be an Android.

When app stores become a numbers game... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44636301)

This is the dark side of competition in a capitalist society. Company A needs to appear as 'successful' as Company B, so will use any affordable tactic to do so, even to the point of 'bending' the law. Intel is doing the same thing with its laughable attempt to take on ARM. Likewise Microsoft's laughable attempt to take on Android and iOS.

And of course the cheats and liars have mountains of cash to pay off tech sites and tech 'journalists', so that the lies are given apparent legitimacy by industry 'experts' that ordinary people read and trust. But the lies and cheating only helps lull the weaker and more incompetent management in failing companies to a false sense of security about mid-term prospects. It is the companies themselves (especially Intel and Microsoft at this time) that drink their own 'kool-aid'.

For Blackberry to pay (under the table) dishonest development companies to inflate the apparent number of apps in their store only ruins the enthusiasm genuine developers have for the platform. In Blackberry are crooks who will have their salary and bonuses significantly boosted by this tactic- until the bubble bursts and they have to move on. Such people do not care that their cynical tactics ruin the real prospects for a company's future success.

Anyway, none of this matters. ARM, Apple and Google are the massive long term winners in the new mobile space. The genius of ARM is that it encourages (unlike with the x86) multiple companies to design and produce the parts, so the ARM SoC market follows true Darwinian principles, where the best in each category (performance, cost, power-usage etc) becomes dominant in the different parts of the marketplace. Offering a service outside of iOS and Android (or using a processor other than ARM) is completely moronic. Winning companies will accept reality, and jump on the dominant bandwagons (like smart computer manufactures did when it was clear the x86 based PC was becoming the one true standard).

Meanwhile expect ever more desperate shills do shout ever louder that CP/M and the Z80- whoops, I mean Microsoft and Intel's x86- will be around for ever.

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