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Aiming For a Commercially Available Submersible

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the bond-villains-take-notice dept.

Transportation 66

Zothecula writes "In three years, if you happen to be 3,000 meters (9,800 ft) beneath the surface of the ocean, keep an eye out for the Cyclops. No, not the hairy giant, but the 5-passenger submersible. Once it's commercially available in 2016, it should be 'the only privately owned deep-water manned submersible available for contracts.' 'That 7-inch-thick hull will be made of carbon fiber, in which individual strips of pre-impregnated fiber are individually placed within the carbon fiber matrix. Developed by Boeing, this technique is said to offer finer production control than the more traditional filament winding process, and should allow the Cyclops to withstand the 4,300 psi (300 bar) of water pressure it will encounter at its maximum diving depth – the earlier-mentioned 3,000 meters.' As for why it's called the Cyclops, just check out its one-big-eye-like 180-degree borosilicate glass observation dome."

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5 Passengers? (3, Insightful)

idontgno (624372) | about a year ago | (#44656461)

How many kilos of high-value cargo would that be?

Will buying one of these put you on a watch list in one of the Wars on <noun>?

Re:5 Passengers? (2)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44656533)

How many kilos of high-value cargo would that be?

Will buying one of these put you on a watch list in one of the Wars on <noun>?

The real question is: How many seasons could they get out of it before it dives under the shark?

Re:5 Passengers? (4, Interesting)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44656605)

Assuming a weight capacity of 200 lb/passenger (doesn't seem an unreasonable estimate), minus the weight of the driver, you'd be able to fit about 363 Kilos of coca... I mean, 'supplies,' for an 8 hour journey. Maybe a little longer since there'd only be 1 oxygen-user on board.

Will buying one of these put you on a watch list in one of the Wars on ?

Are you kidding? Just talking about it probably got us both added to a watchlist or two.

Side note, OT: How the hell do you escape greater/less than signs???

Re:5 Passengers? (3, Informative)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about a year ago | (#44656793)

Side note, OT: How the hell do you escape greater/less than signs???

Slashdot uses a subset of HTML tags and codes. &lt; and &gt; does it, <see?> although you don't have to put in a escape sequence for a greater than that doesn't match a previous less than; Slashdot doesn't swallow those.

Re:5 Passengers? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44656827)

Use &gt; and &lt;

Re:5 Passengers? (0)

charlesj68 (1170655) | about a year ago | (#44656955)

Side note, OT: How the hell do you escape greater/less than signs???

Use HTML Entities:

  • &gt; becomes >
  • &lt; becomes <

Re:5 Passengers? (2)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44659089)

I'm on the 'watch list' at this point, been verified by my recent trips through airports and encounters with security ... slashdot posts are the only reason for me to be there as I never really say shit or post anywhere else. Started immediately after I pointed out that I had been through many TSA checkpoints where the stupid fucks didn't even catch my pocket knife in pat downs, metal detectors both wand and full body, and of course body scanner bullshit. I never took my pocket knife on intentionally, its just that its been in my pocket for 35 years so I tend to not think about it until I'm already in the security line ... at which point, no matter what I do, I look suspicious if I try to correct the problem. I learned instantly that the incompetent TSA won't find it, so why bother doing anything special. After my original slashdot post about this issue, I stopped carrying it, fortunately for me as thats when they started singling me out.

Keep that in mind.

No, I don't have proof, but I suddenly get extra verification on EVERY SINGLE FLIGHT I take, my drivers license is no longer an acceptable ID, I have to bring my passport. I get pulled aside and violated in various ways, consistently when going through airport security security, including going to that nice secret fucking room in the back where they ensure that you miss your flight even though you were hours earlier than you needed to be ... and of course your missed flight is your problem, not theirs.

You joke ... you shouldn't, it'll become obnoxious real quick if you're unlucky enough to get flagged. Don't think for an instant that your posts here won't bite you in the ass, my coincidence is too outstanding to ignore.

Re:5 Passengers? (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | about a year ago | (#44665439)

Congratulations Mr BitZtream, you are now a second class citizen, who get shat on at every check point. If HS actually found the said knife on you, then you would probably have become a third class citizen on the No Fly list, so count your blessings.

Re:5 Passengers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44657107)

That's a silly question. Buying anything you need to do your laundry puts you an a watch list.

Re:5 Passengers? (2)

Thud457 (234763) | about a year ago | (#44657239)

Watch list? How quaint.

The NSA has decided that profiling isn't PC, so they just watch everybody now. More fair that way, don'tcha know.

Re:5 Passengers? (2)

hotdiggity (987032) | about a year ago | (#44657947)

Don't worry about the Wars on <noun>.

Don't even worry about the Wars on <verb>.

Shit's gonna get real when they begin the Wars on <adverb>. And, worse, the Wars on <preposition>.

Re:5 Passengers? (1)

cod3r_ (2031620) | about a year ago | (#44658879)

HAHAHA first thing i thought of too.. First order will be big and by the Mexican Mafia.

Re:5 Passengers? (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44659063)

How many kilos of high-value cargo would that be?

You don't need a deep-diving submersible for that, now do you?

Re:5 Passengers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44659737)

Yes. Also every Police department, even little land-locked Podunk, Mid Texas will be offered 'incentives' to buy them in order to defend us against something or other.

Re:5 Passengers? (1)

slick7 (1703596) | about a year ago | (#44661295)

How many kilos of high-value cargo would that be?

Will buying one of these put you on a watch list in one of the Wars on <noun>?

How will the Navy determine the CIA subs from the ordinary drug running types?

How about something not a concept (2)

HuguesT (84078) | about a year ago | (#44656635)

AFAIK you can buy this one [ussubmarines.com] ...

Re:How about something not a concept (1)

HuguesT (84078) | about a year ago | (#44656759)

Sorry replying to myself, actually this is only a nice and expensive concept.

Re:How about something not a concept (1)

JazzHarper (745403) | about a year ago | (#44656763)

That has an operational depth of only 300m. It's an entirely different class of vehicle.

Re:How about something not a concept (1)

HuguesT (84078) | about a year ago | (#44668309)

I agree, but a 300 m depth is huge already. This is basically the operational depth of most nuclear subs. Military sub of WWII never went below 200m.

300 Bar of pressure? (2)

mandark1967 (630856) | about a year ago | (#44656659)

How much is that in Rosanne Barr?

that's 1-1/2 Barr to you (1)

swschrad (312009) | about a year ago | (#44656791)

ouch

Re:300 Bar of pressure? (1)

davester666 (731373) | about a year ago | (#44657479)

A really small number. 1 Barr = 1 MBar

Re:300 Bar of pressure? (2)

mandark1967 (630856) | about a year ago | (#44657751)

So, basically, 2 Sally Struthers or .5 Rosie O'Donnells...got it.

Re: 300 Bar of pressure? (1)

rullywowr (1831632) | about a year ago | (#44660867)

The formula is 1.25 Barrs to one Rosie O'Donnell.

Yes, the hairy giant. (2)

pspahn (1175617) | about a year ago | (#44656717)

When I think of Cyclops, the first adjective that comes to mind is 'hairy'.

For the uninitiated (4, Informative)

Skiron (735617) | about a year ago | (#44656753)

Every 10 metres from the surface, divide by ten and add 1. i.e. at 60 metres depth, that will be 7 bar (105 psi), at 300 metres that will be 31 bar (465 psi).

Re:For the uninitiated (1)

DFurno2003 (739807) | about a year ago | (#44660267)

Thanks, Skiron. That's actually pretty helpful. thumbs up mate. dale.

Re:For the uninitiated (1)

kermidge (2221646) | about a year ago | (#44667835)

Second the thanks. Lot easier than messing with 33ft. per.; when I started having the occasional use for this conversion, tho, in this neck of the woods all the working measurements were still in English.

Re:For the uninitiated (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44680139)

Technically, that is not completely accurate either. The (1+depth/10) provides a measure of pressure in atmospheres. For most situations, the difference between 1 bar and 1 atmosphere is outside the realm of significant digits. In this case, 301 atm ~ 305 bar.

gosh, my schedule is full then (2)

swschrad (312009) | about a year ago | (#44656775)

thanks anyway, I can't make it to 3000 meters deep that year. unless I make enemies in Joisey...

Some people (1)

ISoldat53 (977164) | about a year ago | (#44656797)

Some people have too much money.

Re:Some people (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44656933)

Some people have too much money.

And some of us don't have enough. )_:

It would certainly bring new capacity to underwater geocaching (c:

Re:Some people (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44659121)

How are you going to sign the log book for the cache?

How much does it cost? (1)

Wycliffe (116160) | about a year ago | (#44656803)

I don't see a price anywhere. What is the estimated cost of this thing?

Re:How much does it cost? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44657157)

If you have to ask...

Re:How much does it cost? (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | about a year ago | (#44657253)

Like most other things, the backs of the working class and the destruction of the environment.

Re:How much does it cost? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44658639)

RTFS... it won't be for sale, it'll be for rent.

Re:How much does it cost? (1)

Wycliffe (116160) | about a year ago | (#44676129)

Yeah, I noticed that but the article doesn't mention the cost to rent or the cost to manufacture either.

there's cheaper ways to drown (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about a year ago | (#44656815)

I heartily endorse drowning rich fools.

Ocean, the next frontier (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#44656829)

If well space is the final one, the colonization of the sea could be the next wave, plenty of space, food, resources, and even energy that can be obtained there, at a fraction of the cost of going to orbit or other planets. It have more sense to do an ocean race instead of a space one, and anything that help in that direction could get a big market in a middle term future.

Re:Ocean, the next frontier (1)

wagnerrp (1305589) | about a year ago | (#44657787)

I think you underestimate the difficulty of dealing with pressure.

Re:Ocean, the next frontier (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#44658295)

As someone that learned programming using pascal, im pretty used to pressure. But anyway, current culture still focus in stars, space and so on, while there are problems not yet fully solved like gravity, radiation and being self sustained. Compared to them, pressure is an easier problem, and a shorter term alternative for another habitat (at least, while we don't contaminate too much oceans) for living, exploring and/or gathering resources.

Re:Ocean, the next frontier (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44659133)

Not to mention space travel has the exact same pressure issue, but in the other direction, and not as large as deep under the ocean but none the less, spacecraft do have to cope with abnormal pressure differentials.

Re:Ocean, the next frontier (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | about a year ago | (#44665467)

Living under the sea has been tried 50 years ago already. The problems are pressure, damp, mold, rust and barnacles. NASA still has a deep water habitat: http://gcmd.nasa.gov/records/GCMD_dgomb.html [nasa.gov]

Looks like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44656897)

...something I saw in a cartoon once. A kids cartoon.

Re:Looks like... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44656997)

...something I saw in a cartoon once. A kids cartoon.

Or something James Bond would scoot around in with one of those things which looks like a man, but has longer hair, bulges in the top of the chest, curves and stuff. I've heard they like money and getting something called a 'tan' under a bright thing in something else called a sky. but the html and the the javascripting and php and the sql and the ldap and the HOYVIN GLAYVIN!

Open source it! Herp! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44656975)

This shoud teh open sores!!! No one deserves monies for der work but mez!!!

Re:Open source it! Herp! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44657137)

Well done, you sure put that imaginary strawman in his place. But you'll still always lose every argument you'll ever have against a real person.

Not the first (3, Informative)

Maudib (223520) | about a year ago | (#44657127)

http://www.stanleysubmarines.com/ [stanleysubmarines.com]

Though he doesn't go as deep.

Re:Not the first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44657551)

http://www.deepflight.com/

Re:Not the first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44657793)

That's what she said...

Re:Not the first (1)

asmoran (2893111) | about a year ago | (#44658179)

Hey now, it's not about how deep you can go. It's about how you maneuver!!

this will be useful (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44657325)

This will be a very useful vehicle once I detonate my Star Trigger and finish melting the polar ice caps.

I just hope my stash of verified Kopi Luwakh holds out.

Re:this will be useful (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44659191)

You really like coffee thats been shit out by another animal before you brew it? I utterly fail to understand why any person in the world would eat something else's excrement without being starving.

alcohol is just yeast piss (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44662437)

And this is different from alcohol being yeast piss?

Already been done... (1)

RobertM1968 (951074) | about a year ago | (#44657503)

US Subs [ussubs.com] does this - from smaller ones (for one or two people) to yacht style 200' long ones that you can park a Smart Car in.

Triton Submarines (2)

Hammor (15028) | about a year ago | (#44658035)

Triton Submarines [tritonsubs.com] makes 2-man and 3-man subs designed for 1000 or 3300 foot depths. "The 3300/3 played a major role in the expedition to capture the first ever footage of the Giant Squid" which a few of you probably saw on the Discovery Channel. They are one of a handful of companies designing models capable of visiting the Challenger Deep (repeating the feats of the Trieste in 1960 and James Cameron in 2012).

Finally! (1)

DarthVain (724186) | about a year ago | (#44658663)

I mean whats a super villain without a submersible?

How does one even enter their volcano lair without one?

Private? (1)

jythie (914043) | about a year ago | (#44659163)

What definition of 'privately owned' are the using to try to claim to be the only one available for contracts? There are all sorts of companies out there that rent or lease out vehicles for things like research, filming, and salvage.

Re:Private? (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | about a year ago | (#44665479)

Not to mention all the subs used in under sea oil fields.

Mir (2)

vuo (156163) | about a year ago | (#44660257)

Mir. [wikipedia.org] The interesting thing is that the CIA killed this project, leaving only the two pieces already produced. They feared that the technology was too advanced to be sold to the Soviet Union. They promised the manufacturer compensating orders from the West, but you should never trust the U.S. government - this was of course a lie.

Re:Mir (1)

kermidge (2221646) | about a year ago | (#44667905)

CIA did not kill the Mir project. It helps to read the article you cite and to comprehend it. From the Wikipedia article, for clarification purposes:

"The level of technology flowing into the Soviet Union raised concern in the USA and Rauma-Repola was privately threatened with economic sanctions. For example, one concern of the Pentagon was the possibility that the Soviet Union would manufacture a pioneer submarine fleet that could clear the ocean floor of U.S. deep sea listening equipment.[1] With the possibility of losing its lucrative offshore oil platforms market Rauma-Repola yielded, and submarine development ceased in Finland. One project that was abandoned was the development of a fuel cell based air-independent propulsion system."

Nowhere in the cited article was mentioned possible U.S. orders for more Mir.

Submarine dev was canceled, not the Mir submarine project; the Sovs ordered and got two (from the first paragraph of the cited article). (AIP is used for non-nuke quiet subs, either pure or as adjunct to diesel-electric. Come to think of it, I don't recall anyone building pure AIP subs, at least for sale, although there's certainly been talk of it over the years, but never did an extensive search at the time, either.)

Re:Mir (1)

vuo (156163) | about a year ago | (#44691023)

The promises of orders are not mentioned in this article, but were in a TV documentary about the case. (Whatever the case, it's not known if the Soviets would've approved of orders by other countries or private individuals, for instance Israel.)

Re:Mir (1)

kermidge (2221646) | about a year ago | (#44691961)

Ah, thank you. I will try to find the documentary - I'd not been aware of it, or missed it. Given the situation between Finland and Russia then, it would have been interesting had they been, so to say, outbid. At any rate, I think it a sad thing they had to abandon their continuing research, as in the case of Mir they were on to an interesting line, it seems.

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