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All-in-Ones Finally Grow Up, With Fast Graphics, SSDs, and CPUs

timothy posted 1 year,29 days | from the ok-now-switch-graphics-cards dept.

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MojoKid writes "Historically, all-in-one desktop systems like the iMac, HP's TouchSmart and similar designs that incorporate a full system on the backside of a monitor, haven't offered performance that was competitive to their full-sized desktop counterparts. Part of the reason is that many of these systems are comprised of low power notebook platform PC components inside thin chassis designs with minimal airflow. However, as mobile platforms have become more powerful, so has the all-in-one PC. Dell's recently launched XPS 27 Touch, with Intel's Haswell mobile processor and an NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M on board, is an example of a new breed of AIO hitting the market now. The system is based on a 27-inch panel with 2TB of storage, a 32GB SSD cache drive, 8GB of RAM and performance in the benchmarks that keeps pace with average midrange full-sized desktops. You can even game on the machine with frame rates at the panel's 1080p native resolution with medium to high image quality. It's almost like the all-in-one finally grew up."

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What fud (5, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663315)

The imac had decent specs for years.

The fact is most pcs sold have value oriented junk as only workstations and alienware bother with nice components. Most enthusiasts and gamers build their systens as a result.

Re: What fud (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663327)

true, but as this post is obviously a dell commercial, truth doesn't matter too much

Re: What fud (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663729)

The specs are decent, but modern iMac specs are also good on release. It's not like everything else has been shit prior to this release. AIO computers will be limited because of space, yet this Dell AIO doesn't seem to do doing anything that would herald this as the adulthood of the AIO form factor.

MojoKid, you fail it.

Re: What fud (2, Insightful)

MojoKid (1002251) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664277)

Ummm... FUD? You're using that term incorrectly. So where's the fail? If I was trying to create fear uncertainty and doubt it must have been with you.

And we've seen AIOs from many manufacturers for years, which couldn't get out of their own way, in terms of what power users need performance-wise. iMac are a minor exception. They've had somewhat better specs but not SSD caches and 2GB GGDR5 enabled, seriously strong graphics like the new GeForce GT 750M. In fact, as I look at Apple's iMac load-out page now, I see last gen graphics mostly with 512MB configs.

Re: What fud (2)

Half-pint HAL (718102) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664381)

And we've seen AIOs from many manufacturers for years, which couldn't get out of their own way, in terms of what power users need performance-wise. iMac are a minor exception. They've had somewhat better specs but not SSD caches and 2GB GGDR5 enabled, seriously strong graphics like the new GeForce GT 750M.

Most PCs in any form factor fifn't have all that until very, very recently!!!

Re:What fud (2)

bkmoore (1910118) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663329)

If it's smaller, then it must be less powerful, right?

Re:What fud (4, Insightful)

Immerman (2627577) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664121)

As a rule, yes. Basically bigger system = better cooling. Airflow, heat exchangers, etc are all very much volume dependent.

Generally speaking (and oversimplified) if you can halve the power consumption (=heat generation) of the CPU, GPU, etc. then you have two options:
1) Smaller - halve the capacity of the cooling system, roughly halving the minimum volume of the device.
2) Faster - double the number or power of chips, roughly doubling the performance at the same minimum device volume.

Of course if your desktop system uses a standard full-sized case and motherboard then there's probably lots of "wasted" space that can be trimmed - basically trading expandability and ease of maintenance for a more compact form factor. Once you're down to an compact motherboard and case though you can't really get much smaller without sacrificing cooling capacity. You could push things a little farther by doing away with upgradable, standards-compliant components in favor of custom-engineered solutions, but that increases costs and probably isn't worth it in most applications - once the cooling system becomes a major portion of the volume your options for further size reductions start being severely limited.

Re:What fud (5, Informative)

dfghjk (711126) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663383)

"fud" stands for "Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt". It doesn't mean something you disagree with.

Re:What fud (-1, Troll)

0100010001010011 (652467) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663621)

It also stands for Fucked Up Disinformation.

Re:What fud (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663505)

What are you talking about? The current iMac has the same low-end specs as this system! (Accounting for the iMac being a 2012 model, and this one being a late 2013 one...). Prior iMacs had the same low-end specs that made it more useful for Grandma than Grandson.

Re:What fud (4, Informative)

buddyglass (925859) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663517)

Case in point: It will cost you an arm and a leg, but you can spec out a 27" iMac as follows:

3.4ghz quad-core i7 w/ Turbo to 3.9ghz
32GB 1600mhz DDR3
3TB "Fusion" drive (HDD/SSD hybrid)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5

Some cursory googling suggests the 680MX is the higher performing GPU.

Re:What fud (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663603)

Case in point: It will cost you an arm and a leg, but you can spec out a 27" iMac as follows:

  3.4ghz quad-core i7 w/ Turbo to 3.9ghz
32GB 1600mhz DDR3
3TB "Fusion" drive (HDD/SSD hybrid)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5

Some cursory googling suggests the 680MX is the higher performing GPU.

Not to mention that the Mac isn't struck with 1080p. It has 2560 x 1440 at 27".

Re:What fud (2)

kannibal_klown (531544) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663861)

I wonder if there are multiple XPS 27" Touch, as looking at their site shows a 1440 screen instead of 1080.

My main concern with all-in-one's though is how easy they are to do maintenance and the minor part-swap. I'm not a fan of how closed the Apple one is: I don't like having to deal with "stickers" if I have to replace the HD or something. And I have no idea of the Dell is similarly annoying.

I don't need a huge case... but something that I can at least fit my bear-claw hands in when I have to swap a broken part out.

Re:What fud (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663611)

Not really... I bought my 2011 21in iMac when it first came out for $1100 with no taxes via Amazon. The GPU while dated by todays standards still has 600 gigaflops of performance. Comparing that to the other all in ones at the time, this was clearly a better value at the time.

Re:What fud (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663637)

And that's why I quit building my own systems. Once it wasn't my full time job it just got too hard to keep with with the version numbers, and which was really the better model. Imagine if Linux kernels worked the same way? Kernel 3.0.1m is better than 3.1s, but neither are as good as Linux Z1.

I suppose due to bugs it could happen, but it would be expected to be fixed, while hardware specs can't be (need more memory, replace it with the better card).

Re:What fud (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663883)

And that's why I quit building my own systems. Once it wasn't my full time job it just got too hard to keep with with the version numbers, and which was really the better model. Imagine if Linux kernels worked the same way? Kernel 3.0.1m is better than 3.1s, but neither are as good as Linux Z1.

I suppose due to bugs it could happen, but it would be expected to be fixed, while hardware specs can't be (need more memory, replace it with the better card).

that only applies to graphics cards and that's what sites like tom's hardware and anandtech are for. The rest of it really isn't that hard - get an ASUS or Gigabyte M/B slap in the best i7 you can afford, fill it up with ram, add a good SSD, then top it off with a decent PSU and put it all in whatever case looks good to you
.

Re:What fud (1)

hedwards (940851) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663909)

Yeah, I agree. But, to be fair, there are more factors now than back in the '90s when megahertz was the main thing they were improving. AMD doesn't do a perfect job with their processor naming, but they do give you a number to help get an idea of where a particular processor fits in their line of products. Interestingly over the last decade the spread between the number and the frequency has gotten to be rather huge.

GPUs OTOH, I don't think any of the major vendors take that seriously. Trying to figure out why a GPU that has a higher number has lower performance is designed to give people a stroke.

Re:What fud (4, Informative)

Nemyst (1383049) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663749)

And that GTX 680MX is still not a high-end card, especially when you're talking about a desktop (which this thing is much closer to). It's about in line with a GTX580 (so two generations out of date by now) for an absurdly higher price tag. You're really paying through the nose to get the styling.

Re:What fud (4, Interesting)

Billly Gates (198444) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663801)

Those are freaking fast for AIO and couldceasily trounce both the xboxone and ps4. Sure they are not 7990s in crossfire by any sense of the mean but those are niche and add $1100 to the cost of the system. For even crysis which is the most demanding game you can get by with a 670 gtx or a 7870 just ine. You could also argue a crossfire 7990s are low end too because my $3000 quadro or firepro is soo much better and can support 32 monitors etc.

Re:What fud (2)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663991)

It's a 680M card. The mobile card line is terribly crippled compared to anything you can put in a desktop.

Re:What fud (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663733)

And likewise you too are spreading the bull, you could also find damned nice PC AIOs you just weren't gonna get one for a bottom of the barrel price at the Wally World. If you'd have went to the business section you'd have found nice AIOs with decent mobile GPUs, decently powerful CPUs, and many with touch support.

You just have to remember that unlike Apple and their "one size fits all" you have choices when it comes to PCs and you can choose any price point from "cheap and lousy" like the few Intel Atom based I ran into, "cheap but okay" like the Bobcat APU ones that are frankly great for receptionists and similar low intensity jobs, and then there is "midrange and better" and finally "expensive but teh hotness" like the AIO workstations which are pretty kicking. This is one of the reasons I've always preferred the PC side of the street, it lets me choose the right tool for a particular job while letting me save the customer money by not buying more than they need.

Re:What fud (2)

Billly Gates (198444) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663837)

Which is my point.

The author says all AIO are junk including the imac. Not true but sadly close on the pc side. Since you own a shop I am surprised ypu remend such systems as they are a pain in the ass to repair. Shit Apple is gluing things like batteries to the damn case

Re:What fud (2)

hedwards (940851) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663939)

The repairability is my main reason for not buying or recommending AIO. Laptops are bad enough, but at least with laptops there's a legitimate reason for it. They need to be small and protable. AIO are kind of questionable as they could just as easily go back to CPUs that lie flat on their side and just change the way that ventilation is done. Set the monitor on top of the CPU and attach clips. There you go. A computer that's very similar to an AIO and a ton easier to repair.

Re:What fud (2)

peragrin (659227) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664091)

That's just it how often do you actually repair machines?

The average person just buys another one anyway when it stops working. If the average components last 3- 5 years by the time you shell out parts you might as well have gotten a new machine anyways.

Or a car analogy. When your at 300,000 miles and your second engine you might as well give it up and upgrade to something a bit newer.

I used to love to build my own. but I actually value my time. if I charge myself a decent hourly rate for building and OS installation then building it myself isn't cheaper.

Re:What fud (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44664185)

This is precisely it. I used to build my own rigs as well and just stopped when my time/value ratio got in the way. My late 2009-iMac is still a screamer for what I use it for, and for one to say they need want a PC that's easy to repair is a bit disingenuous. I've never had to crack-open my iMac. Apple offered to replace my hard drive for free due to some recall a year ago so I did that simply because they offered. That took a day. Big deal. One day out of four years.

Re:What fud (1)

Mashiki (184564) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664309)

Or a car analogy. When your at 300,000 miles and your second engine you might as well give it up and upgrade to something a bit newer.

Your analogy is bad. If you're on your second engine by 300k miles, you're doing something seriously wrong. Any car engine made in the last 15-17 years can easily get 500k miles before their first rebuild. Before the subframe in the front of my saturn broke(love those salty winter roads here in Canada), my car was already at 550k miles(885k km) and that's not even a record on the Series 1 or Series 2 engines, the 'hand me down' van(it has a 3.8L 3800 series) I got from my grandparents has 680k miles on it. I use it for the winter driving, in fact I'm more likely to replace the transaxle first.

Re:What fud (1)

mikael_j (106439) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663767)

I'm pretty sure this "article" is really just Dell advertising.

Re:What fud (1)

jones_supa (887896) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664165)

So what? It still makes for an interesting discussion.

Re:What fud (4, Interesting)

Improv (2467) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663811)

Exactly right. When I started my current job, I had an iMac sitting on my desk; I was initially skeptical, but as soon as I saw the machine specs (as I was installing Linux onto it), I fell in love; it's a very nice machine, and my workplace had spiced it up further by putting a lot more RAM and disk into it. It's one of the most pleasant desktops I've ever worked with (and the resolution is amazing).

Re:What fud (1)

hedwards (940851) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663873)

I generally build my own desktops because it's the only way of not getting infested with Intel and Microsoft products and still get a decent rig. The selection of desktops that don't use Intel or MS products is pretty limited. But, by building it myself, I can get what I want without having to give money to monopolists.

Re:What fud (2)

Teckla (630646) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664339)

The imac had decent specs for years.

Except for graphics, unless you spent a lot more. (iMac owner here.)

Fortunately, Apple seems to be putting decent graphics into the base level iMac now, but that certainly was not the case for years.

Usage Enforcer Time (4, Informative)

Shavano (2541114) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663323)

Nothing is "comprised of" anything else. The word you are looking for is composed. An computer comprises components. Components compose or "make up" a computer.

If enough people misuse a word long enough, that becomes the new meaning.

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (5, Funny)

OzPeter (195038) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663353)

Nothing is "comprised of" anything else. The word you are looking for is composed. An computer comprises components. Components compose or "make up" a computer.

If enough people misuse a word long enough, that becomes the new meaning.

Oh, the irony!

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663417)

You obviously don't know that Shavano is an hero.

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663889)

A classic example of Muphry's Law [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (3, Insightful)

craigminah (1885846) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663405)

It seems not spelling words correctly, misusing words, and poor grammar are so common our language will be forever changed. I see this on TV shows, magazines, newspapers, etc. The other day they were talking on a news show about how teachers in a school district won't correct mistakes on student's homework so long as they explain why they answered the way they did. I for one am sick of this culture of "nobody's wrong, we're all right, we're all winners." It's not going to help our society and will destroy us in the long run.

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663513)

It's not going to help our society and will destroy us in the long run.

Just like it destroyed Old English. Not to be confused with Old Spice.

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (1)

fast turtle (1118037) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664103)

I actually agree with the teachers that don't correct mistakes on papers. It's not worth the time for the little pay they actually get especially if the student is able to get their point across correctly.

Does it damage our langauge? No for the simple fact that Anglish (U.S. English) only has a mere 35 sounds and when any of the kids I work with use phonetic spelling, I accept it even though it takes a bit longer for me to parse things.

Why I do this is actually straight forward. By encouraging Phonetic Spelling, I don't have to worry that they've broken some assinine rule of spelling anylonger, making it easier for them to learn the language (I work with folks where English is not their first language - 2nd to 5th for some of them).

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (1)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663555)

I could care less.

[ I actually agree with you you, careless use of language is the careless use of one of humanity's most powerful tools. But I could not resist the opportunity for such irony.]

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (1)

BeerCat (685972) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664259)

I could care less.

[ I actually agree with you you, careless use of language is the careless use of one of humanity's most powerful tools. But I could not resist the opportunity for such irony.]

So, with "I could care less", are you being "ironic" or "careless"?

(If you could care less, then why don't you? On the other hand, if you couldn't care less, then the amount of care has reached a pretty low limit)

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44664293)

Your a moron.

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (2)

VortexCortex (1117377) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663641)

I for one am sick of this culture of "nobody's wrong, we're all right, we're all winners." It's not going to help our society and will destroy us in the long run.

Well, that's a false equivalence. You're conflating the "nobody's wrong" anti-aggression/anti-competition feminist agenda with that of communication protocol tolerance. While I agree that competition and even a bit of aggression are healthy components of society -- indeed boys are falling behind in the new non-competitive environments, and even simply challenging them with "betcha can't do X" causes them to perform better than positive reinforcement; Yet teachers are foolishly fearful of fostering competition... I don't agree that communication tolerance is inherently bad. As with anything, moderation is key.

Ever use a search engine? Of course not, you just type the exact URL to the places you want to go every time... Or maybe not? Maybe you think advancements in natural language processing where the meaning is more important than the precise syntax would be neat, eh? I know I do. In fact, many of my machine learning systems have overcome the minor grammatical and spelling errors -- A great benefit since they can still know what I mean even with a bit of noise in the signal.

You must realize the truth. Language is a shitty lossy compression of your thought patterns. Soon we may have wireless inductive thought protocols for direct mind to mind conversation. In the meantime it's the meaning that matters in the message, not the way its messaged. While even a simple neural network with tiny fraction of your processing power has mastered the meaning extraction and all but eliminated halting due to syntax errors, you sit here balking at minor mistakes like a damned dumb BASIC prompt. You've got a fucking brain, stop wasting it!

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44664287)

You're conflating the "nobody's wrong" anti-aggression/anti-competition feminist agenda with that of communication protocol tolerance.

And just why do you find it so hard to get along with girls?

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (1)

hedwards (940851) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663981)

You make it sound like this is a new phenomena. The fact that so many people even notice suggests that this is not the case. It's only relatively recently that schools were common enough for people to learn to write; as a result most of the ungrammatical language and spelling errors aren't available for perusal. Then there's folks like Shakespeare that couldn't spell to save their life, and editors of their works have fixed most of the spelling errors and unified the spelling choices a bit.

As for not correcting homework, the point isn't to get the write answer, the point is to learn how to think. If they can give a good argument for why their answer is acceptable, then they deserve the points. Once you get out of school the emphasis turns from correct answers to being able to use information. And doing homework that's written to be easily graded right and wrong does not move students closer to that goal.

It also sounds like you've finally figured out that schools don't operate the way that the real world is. Good for you. Unfortunately, you appear to be the sort that did well in school and is bitter because it doesn't really apply to anything else.

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (1)

Ian A. Shill (2791091) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664239)

You's trollin.

As for not correcting homework, the point isn't to get the write answer, the point is to learn how to think.

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (1)

Immerman (2627577) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664253)

Honestly I don't really have a problem with spelling, grammar, or punctuation errors; provided they don't interfere with comprehension. Even misuse of homonyms rarely clouds clarity, though it may be slightly jarring.

But when people start using a word to refer to something unrelated, or minimally related, then that's something well worth pointing out. For two reasons:
1) if it's an honest mistake then you are improving their vocabulary, and with it their ability to communicate clearly within the applicable concept-space
2) if the misuse becomes common then the concept-space itself is lessened by the loss/declarification of the original word, reducing everybody's ability to communicate clearly.

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (1)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664137)

Nothing is "comprised of" anything else. The word you are looking for is composed.

"3: compose, constitute

"Usage Discussion of COMPRISE

"Although it has been in use since the late 18th century, sense 3 is still attacked as wrong. Why it has been singled out is not clear, but until comparatively recent times it was found chiefly in scientific or technical writing rather than belles lettres" -- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise [merriam-webster.com]

Sorry, but when usage has been established for over two centuries, it's incorrect to label it incorrect.

(I'd still advice using "composed of" or "made up of" in preference to "comprised of", though. )

Re:Usage Enforcer Time (1)

jones_supa (887896) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664221)

Nothing is "comprised of" anything else. The word you are looking for is composed. An computer comprises components. Components compose or "make up" a computer.

If enough people misuse a word long enough, that becomes the new meaning.

I could care less! :P

Do you remember the first All-In-Ones? (2)

jabberw0k (62554) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663355)

They were every bit as full-featured as component systems. I'm thinking the Intertec Superbrain or my personal favorite, the Heathkit H89. Writing Heathkit software put me through college in the 1980s.

Advertisement (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663359)

I guess that lab full of 2 year old existing Dell AOIs we have running liquid dynamics simulation software with tons of RAM and high-end Core i7s is just my imagination. This is a Dell advertisement in disguise under the cover of linking to a third party review. Products like this come out every week, why aren't they here? They're just as relevant as this thing.

Still using mobile components (1)

cbope (130292) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663361)

And yet, the Dell still has a mobile GPU.

iMac? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663365)

Is this an ad? The iMac from last year has specs that blow this dell out of the water.

Re:iMac? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664247)

But the Dell offers better value.

Finally All-in-Ones do have CPU's (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663379)

... that's how I read the title :)

"that was competitive WITH" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663381)

Not 'competitive to"...

Stupid Americans.

Re:"that was competitive WITH" (0)

craigminah (1885846) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663413)

At least we're not stupid and stinky...

nice Dell advertisement... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663389)

but I can afford a Mac, thanks.

Re:nice Dell advertisement... (1)

v1 (525388) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663493)

"I can't afford" != "isn't available"

Maybe the article should be change to more of a "finally the last of the PC market catches up with Apple for AIO desktop specs".

(if this was a Dell advertisement, it would appear that their marketing department is taking inspiration from their engineering department)

Re:nice Dell advertisement... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663651)

if this was a Dell advertisement, it would appear that their marketing department is taking inspiration from their engineering department

Isn't that how it's supposed to work? The problem is that they're supposed to be insipred by engineering's products, not their incomptence.

Re:nice Dell advertisement... (1)

v1 (525388) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664295)

more of a "their marketers are living as far in the past as their engineers". Not exactly a good place to find inspiration.

Best buys? (3, Insightful)

Shavano (2541114) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663399)

The submission and linked "story" read like ad copy from Dell. That said, all in ones and midrange laptops have long been best buys in the computing world because all the peripherals that you would otherwise have to pay extra for (and cable to your PC) are built in. It's been the case for years that high-end graphics cards are only worth the money for gamers, video composers, crackers and more recently, gene sequencers.

The Power of a Midrange Desktop PC (3, Informative)

ItMustBeEsoteric (732632) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663421)

For only $2100. What a steal!

Re:The Power of a Midrange Desktop PC (1)

SpzToid (869795) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663487)

That price *includes* Windows 8 Pro, 64 bit. It really is an all-in-one, unless you use linux; in which case you might as well build your own from parts that will last longer than this sum total unit.

Re:The Power of a Midrange Desktop PC (1)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663575)

With the limited use of Linux for high end graphical tasks, such as gaming, CAD, or Microsoft's locked in tools such as Outlook, it usually makes more sense to run the Windows host as a Windows host directly and run up to half a dozen independent Linux virtual machines on the same host. The well defined virtual environment insulates the desktop or laptop owner from the difficulties of resolving driver issues with whatever chips were added at the last minute, especially if running legacy Linux environments with older kernels for testing or development.

My Macintosh using colleagues and I find leaving the host OS alone, and popping up Linux VM's as needed, to be extremely effective.

Re:The Power of a Midrange Desktop PC (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664115)

You're doing it wrong. Run KVM and let windows be a guest. You can even let it have access to the video card.

Not a story. (5, Insightful)

redback (15527) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663427)

This is an advert.

Not only that (2)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664039)

It's an advert for a low spec computer presented as if it was high spec. 32G of flash storage? Come on, my phone has more than that. 27" and only 1080p? That's a 22" resolution, at 27" you'd expect it to be 2600*1600 or something equivalent. 8G ram? Try running anything "high spec" with that.

Re:Not a story. (2)

Princeofcups (150855) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664181)

This is an advert.

The real question is, was Timothy told to put the story up by his bosses, i.e. Slashdot is consciously trying to stick in advertising, or he he JUST THAT STUPID.

At last (4, Funny)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663435)

When the hero shoots out the bad guy's monitors and the computers stop working, it will make sense.

Who buys this crap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663439)

For 2100 dollars you get a laptop that isn't portable which can almost play a game as well as an entry level machine of years ago? It's video card is around the perfomance of a 5770... why not spend a grand on a gaming machine and a grand on a nice portable laptop/tablet and have the best of both worlds?

If I use the Disable Advertising button... (5, Funny)

Nova Express (100383) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663441)

...will this "story" go away?

Toss in a battery (1)

unixisc (2429386) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663449)

I use an all-in-one. I'm quite happy w/ it - it's connected via an UPS, which also powers my router, as well as USB powered toys, like my phone, my iPod and other's. It has 6 USB slots - 4 behind (all used) and 2 extra on the side.

I just wish they'd toss in an optional battery. That way, in the event of power outages (during storms), it would do a better job, while the UPS could be dedicated to the router. No, it won't be portable, but it does save one from losing one's work if one is in the middle of something.

Re:Toss in a battery (2)

Lumpy (12016) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663553)

They do, it's called the small ups under the desk.
I'd rather use that than a built in battery any day.

Glossy touchscreen? No VESA mount? (3, Insightful)

Ptur (866963) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663453)

No thanks...

Eliminates clutter (3, Informative)

sk999 (846068) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663489)

I bought an HP all-in-one a few years ago to replace a traditional floor tower, monitor and external speakers. With most things being built in, plus the integrated wireless, I eliminated 10 cables, 2 external boxes, and one power brick. A full-featured laptop could also have worked, but it is nice to have the big screen, and I leave it on all the time anyway.

Re: Eliminates clutter (1)

mspohr (589790) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663987)

... Or you could just plug your laptop into an external monitor.

Re: Eliminates clutter (2)

mspohr (589790) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664025)

Your computer will be obsolete a long time before the expensive built in monitor but you'll have to trash them both together.

It's a friggin' laptop (4, Interesting)

garyoa1 (2067072) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663499)

The AI1's are essentially a laptop with a stand and no cover. Have fun upgrading it or fixing it when there's an internal problem. Twice the money for half the computer. Sounds like an idea Apple would come up with. Oh... wait...

What a load of (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663529)

...horse manure. You could find similar specs in laptops going back 6-8 months (roughly when i put mine together and was looking at all the options), apart from the screen of course. On top of that, calling the achievement of matching the output of mid range PCs is meaningless and sure as hell doesn't mean that they've grown up. Unless they are ~10% off the pace/benchmarks, it is pretty much the same as it always has been. And I don't mean 10% difference from overclocked beasts, that would be quite and achievement.

Tablet PCs are Better (2)

MatthiasF (1853064) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663533)

I like the idea of an all-in-one computer, but making them look like a monitor (with a stand and such) is a waste of the form factor.

Units that are designed to resemble tablets, with no stand or a retractable stand, can be used in more variety than units like this Dell be advertised by the article.

Take a look at Lenovo's Horizon 27 inch or Sony's Vaio Tap 20.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ideacentre-horizon-27-review-all-in-one,3564.html [tomshardware.com]

http://store.sony.com/p/Sony-Desktop,-20-inch,-Tap-20,-VAIO-Touch,-VAIO-Desktop,-Core-i5,-Windows-8,-3rd-gen-Intel,-touch-display,-all-in-one,-touchscreen/en/p/SVJ20217CXW [sony.com]

Both can be laid flat, the Lenovo unit can be angled well by it's strong spring stand from 90 degrees down to 5 degrees of the desk making it comfortable to lean over and use to draw. It also comes with a suite of games that can be played while it's flat, from board games to billiards or air hockey.

I think all-in-ones should be going this direction. The instances where they will be used typically in this form factor will not require their screen site to get larger and their performance is easily enough to handle almost anything typical these days, so the disadvantage of not being able upgrade individual pieces of the hardware (screen or internals) is moot.

Missing devices.anyone ? (1)

hebertrich (472331) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663539)

Key to the old tower is we can add to it.TV tuner card , expansions of all kinds , decent sound cards etc, Expansion and space in the case for other devices ( IDE cards and old drives , drive trays etc There's a lot of things we can do with a tower we can't with all in ones. For the amateur it may be ok , but for the serious computer enthusiast all in ones are too limited to be considered a suitable platform.

Re:Missing devices.anyone ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663683)

Key to the old tower is we can add to it.TV tuner card , expansions of all kinds , decent sound cards etc, Expansion and space in the case for other devices ( IDE cards and old drives , drive trays etc There's a lot of things we can do with a tower we can't with all in ones. For the amateur it may be ok , but for the serious computer enthusiast all in ones are too limited to be considered a suitable platform.

Your comment would make sense if not for the fact that amateurs outnumber serious computer enthusiasts by a large margin.

Re:Missing devices.anyone ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663929)

AIO's fill a specific niche. It has nothing to do with how serious of an enthusiast someone is or whether or not someone is an amateur user. That's a very limited way to look at things. They aren't for people that want to expand and upgrade components extensively, or fill up with every type of device under the sun. They're for people and businesses that want systems that have a small footprint, to be used as shared systems among students or family members, for location specific uses similar in a sense to a kiosk.
They're more for people that use the system as more of a tool than a toy.

Re:Missing devices.anyone ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44664177)

actually professionals just need to get work done they don't care about bullshit like tv tuner cards and decade old legacy drives...but that stuff is fun for hobbyists aka amateurs.

So dell caught up finally. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663543)

Imac's have been way ahead of dell for years in the "all in one" design world. So now Dell finally stopped making low grade garbage all in ones?

Here is to hoping they used the right parts so I can hackintosh it. Oh wait, they cost as much as an iMac.... Ahhh...

Silly advertisement (1)

lw54 (73409) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663547)

This isn't news. SlashAdvertorials will continue until we stand up and embarrass the products enough the advertisers tell the editors to stop this stealth nonsense.

Does it support a 2nd touchscreen monitor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663591)

Can this drive a 2nd touchscreen monitor? At what res?

HAY! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663705)

My 13.3" 1080p notebook beats that by a coupla miles, 4800MQ/765m... ...and then there's my beastly 15.6" notebook 4800MQ/780m(gives my desktop 670 a run for it's money)... ...and well my desktop squats on it...

seriously gaming with a 750?! and it's probably really a 750m which is to say pretty crap...

AIOs are pretty silly except for casual users in which they'd be MUCH better served with a net/ultrabook......

750m? (1)

Meeni (1815694) | 1 year,29 days | (#44663763)

When did the 750m became a solid performer exactly? It's a piece of junk that's just good to run Aero, just like any of its predecessors in the mobile GPU arena, where only the top line is a mediocre performer matching the "mid-range" desktop GPU.

So, nothing changed, really.

Commodore 64 was better! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663815)

Computer in a display.... what a dump idea!

iMac not underpowered - this is just a DELL advert (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663835)

Hardly. My 27" iMac is over a year old, has an Intel Core i7 CPU with 4 cores, 8 if you include hyper-threading, 16GB of RAM, 2TB HDD right from the factory. I've had 27" Thunderbolt displays and SSDs connected up for ages. Sounds like Dell finally caught up.

HP, Acer and other AIO PCs have been junk for a long time.

1080p on a 27" monitor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663893)

Whats the point if the res is so low. If you want an 27" all-in-one just get a iMac ffs. Otherwise get a high res 27" monitor and strap something small / mac mini to the back.

Re:1080p on a 27" monitor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44663949)

Actually just followed the link, the res is actually 2560”x1440”. You should update your post/spam article.

But they still aren't selling (1)

scottbomb (1290580) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664223)

With some things, they just never learn. And sadly, this march is being led by Microsoft and the OEMs are beholden to their power. We had touchscreen in the 80s. Nobody wanted it then either.

Slashvertisement (1)

neonmonk (467567) | 1 year,29 days | (#44664291)

This is BLATANT paid for advertising, especially with the ridiculous title. All in ones finally grow up?

Thing is, do they really think there are Slashdot readers that give a flying fuck about this underwhelming PC.

Why is anything disagreeable an "advertisement"??? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44664325)

A Slashdot submitter posted a damn story, an editor chose it and posted it. So it's a "paid advertisement."? No one got paid. Get over it and get some new material PUHLEEZE. It just gets old.

widescreen monitor (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44664361)

kinda off topic but i must be the only person who draws 2D and 3D graphics on a 17 (4:3) inch monitor. Using Gimp, Daz Studio and Vue is kinda a pain. oh yeah, i still use a CPU equivalent to a 2 GHz Pentium 4. need to buy a whole new computer with windows 8 too. i'll need to buy a widescreen monitor. not sure if i would play games on a widescreen monitor though. too much information overload for me. guess i'm the opposite of some people. lol

Re:widescreen monitor (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44664383)

oh yeah, forgot to mention that the graphics card is like Nvidia Geforce 210. that's old by today's standard. still amazed that I can use some OpenGL and direct x programs. Second Life is slow though. need dual cores or better.

only new games that I can play with Nvidia Geforce 210 with decent graphics is World of Warcraft. Rift, Linage II, Tera, Neverwinter Online run at like 10 FPS. lol Even Everquest 2 runs slower than WoW on medium graphics. don't get me with Planetside or Starwars, the Old republic. what was I thinking. lemme run a game with really fancy graphics on a 500 MHz video card with 512 MB of DDR 3 ram at 1024 x 768 pixels.

ok, that's enough about me. but yeah, now i know why gamers upgrade their computers every other year.

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