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Linux 3.11-rc7 Release Celebrates 22 Years of Linux

timothy posted 1 year,6 days | from the now-that-is-an-elaborate-prank dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "It was on this day 22 years ago when Linus Torvalds humbly announced Linux and today he played on that in announcing the Linux 3.11-rc7 kernel release. The final Linux 3.11 kernel release is expected in about one week."

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The year of the linux desktop (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674059)

This year is the year!

Re:The year of the linux desktop (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674109)

3.11? How many years after Microsoft reached that milestone!

And Linux 2015 doesn't seem like it'll be timely.

Re: The year of the linux desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674329)

shoulda went for
Linux 3.33 you can (not) redo

Re: The year of the linux desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44675453)

Linux 3.14, synergizing with the Raspberry Pi

Re:The year of the linux desktop (0)

donaldm (919619) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675011)

3.11? How many years after Microsoft reached that milestone!

Microsoft never did reach that milestone although they did get to 3.1.1 (Windows for Workgroups) before they dumped it for a VMS wannabe. :)

Re:The year of the linux desktop (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675085)

Final WfW was Windows 3.11 [wikipedia.org] . Probably they thought that 3.1.1 would confuse people. Ironically, you are now confused.

Re:The year of the linux desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44675149)

No, it's just that version numbers in the PC world were considered decimal numbers, as opposed to dotted strings of integers. So in the PC world, version 3.11 signalled a slight improvement over version 3.1. Another example: Turbo Pascal went from version 5.0 to 5.5 to 6.0, and nobody thought they omitted four minor versions, because it was generally understood that 5.5 is just in the middle between 5.0 and 6.0.

Re:The year of the linux desktop (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675167)

No, it's just that version numbers in the PC world were considered decimal numbers,

Who told you that? PC software was frequently released with traditional major-minor-tiny version numbering.

Re:The year of the linux desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44675617)

Not irony. A perversion.

Re:The year of the linux desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674827)

The 22nd year!

Re:The year of the linux desktop (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675685)

The year Linux takes over the desktop is the year that they will stop selling desktops, which will be next year.

Whoah whoah (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674103)

Linus was humble once?

Re:Whoah whoah (2)

InfiniteLoopCounter (1355173) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674143)

Doesn't take much when you compare Linus to Steve Jobs or Steve Ballmer, but he's always been a bit more down to earth than the rest of them.

Re:Whoah whoah (1, Funny)

lkernan (561783) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674177)

Nvidia probably disagree with you.

Re:Whoah whoah (2, Insightful)

kthreadd (1558445) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674295)

Compared to the way Jobs and Ballmer treat customers I much prefer Linus, even if he is a bit rude sometimes.

Re:Whoah whoah (5, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674389)

He's just terse. Want him a bit more verbose, shoot a few "-v" his way.

Re:Whoah whoah (1)

You're All Wrong (573825) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674707)

What? He's already used up all the words in the English language, he's had to resort to Finnish to fill the gaps already: http://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/13/132

Re:Whoah whoah (2, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | 1 year,6 days | (#44676673)

Gah, you geeks can't be satisfied, can you? First you complain about Linux being beta forever, now you complain that Linus Finnishes it...

Re:Whoah whoah (1)

RMingin (985478) | 1 year,6 days | (#44676765)

Awesome. My new thing I learned for today is "f***ing motherf***er" in Finnish! perkeleen vittupää!

I'm going to memorize that for a while and then take a long nap, because my day has peaked before 12AM.

Re:Whoah whoah (3, Funny)

TeknoHog (164938) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675123)

He's just terse. Want him a bit more verbose, shoot a few "-v" his way.

Well, the Finnish equivalent of the F word would be the V word...

Re:Whoah whoah (2)

i (8254) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675747)

Vittu?

Re:Whoah whoah (1)

jones_supa (887896) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675885)

Yes, sir.

Re:Whoah whoah (3, Interesting)

epyT-R (613989) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674375)

Nothing wrong with direct, blunt communication.. It's refreshing compared with the passive aggressive kittycat games of typical government and corporate interaction. I think his blunt style is part of what keeps the kernel dev team clear of that passive aggression. It keeps the emos who can't handle blunt truth away.

Nvidia got what they deserved, and it is clear to all other manufacturers what the kernel team thinks of closed drivers making debugging a royal pain.

Re:Whoah whoah (3, Insightful)

kthreadd (1558445) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674437)

Nothing wrong except that it may keep new contributors away. There's no fun in contributing to a project where the boss is an asshole.

Re:Whoah whoah (3, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674549)

Except that it doesn't. It keeps thin skinned people away, who otherwise create needless drama.

Re:Whoah whoah (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674577)

That might very well be the case. All I can say is that the shortage of new contributors is a recurring topic. I don't know exactly why new people are more interested in contributing to other projects, but I have my theories.

Re:Whoah whoah (4, Interesting)

epyT-R (613989) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674621)

some possibilities:
1. kernel programming isn't something most people can do. not just linux, but in general.
2. the project is mostly stable at this point. 90% of the work is drivers anyway, and those are submitted by hw manufacturers for the most part.

It's not like he's constantly flying off the handle as claimed.. It happens occasionally, and for good reason. Broken code from senior people and/or closed drivers make a ton of extra work for the rest of them, so he's justified. Look at what happened to android. If he yields to political correctness, he then has to clean up the mess left behind by people who need a grilling they now won't receive. Choosing between not hurting feelings and/or keeping these people away, and getting the job done right isn't hard.

Re:Whoah whoah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44676187)

or 3. Linus is a dick and no one wants to VOLUNTEER their time to a dick!

Re:Whoah whoah (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44676341)

Linux could himself sit down and write some code for *his* kernel and it would still be a piece of crap. If he is doing so much as to curse your ancestors, you should be thankful of his treatment. Frankly I have only seen a few corporate contributions to the kernel but if they are anything to go by, I'd think they should be happy if they are only getting "Why suicide" web links.

Re:Whoah whoah (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44676759)

Then FORK OFF!

Re:Whoah whoah (1)

fast turtle (1118037) | 1 year,6 days | (#44676263)

"Damn the P.C.. Four Tweets ahead! Let the Fecal Matter hit the Rotary Impeller and where's my Clue Gun?"

Re:Whoah whoah (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674773)

Except, you're wrong. I have thicker skin that most people. You can say anything to me no matter how dirty or derogative. I won't be offended, but I'll simply choose to work with a more civilized, higher class of people because it's usually the crass ones who make the most drama. You don't really know what you're talking about, you're just in damage control mode because someone criticized your idol. Looks like you're one of the thin skinned ones.

Re:Whoah whoah (1)

i (8254) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675765)

I don't recommend you to work in Finland... :)

Re:Whoah whoah (3, Insightful)

BrokenHalo (565198) | 1 year,6 days | (#44676081)

I have thicker skin that most people. You can say anything to me no matter how dirty or derogative.

Right. Which, no doubt, is why you're posting anonymously.

Re:Whoah whoah (4, Informative)

higuita (129722) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675257)

would you prefer to be ignored, with all your work and the patchs never getting merged and you didn't even knew why?

That is the "correct and polite" way... but totally useless.

And no, being polite and slowly trying to explain the errors will not work, too much people around, any manager will get tired of repeating the same thing over and over, and so getting more rude as time goes by.

Please note that Linus is usually not rude for newbies, only for people that are around for sometime, specially for maintainers. Those should already know what is allowed or what is not and if maintainers, Linus already have some trust on then... if they fail that trust, Linus will be very direct.

If you work with other top kernel developers (check the *BSD) you will see the same problem, with ones being more rude than others (ie: Theo de Raadt)

If you are comparing with enterprise development, think again. Those can also be rude... but even if they are not, they are probably playing the ignore card, the faking/lying card or simple the "i can get you fired" card. And don't forget the "i'm the boss" card, where you don't even try to be a smartass and always do what you are being told.

Finally, even if that attitude might scare some developers, at least have manage to keep the linux development together, there is no forks, so it isn't that much a problem.

Re:Whoah whoah (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674469)

Nothing wrong with direct, blunt communication..

Fuck you.

Re:Whoah whoah (1)

epyT-R (613989) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674601)

Yup! Exactly!

Re:Whoah whoah (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674751)

Except, that isn't blunt. Linux apologists misconstrue the true meaning of the word "blunt" as a way to minimize Linus's behavior. Being blunt and rude are 2 separate things and not synonyms.

Re:Whoah whoah (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674217)

> he's always been a bit more down to earth than the rest of them.

That's true, but in the same time Linus also does not care about the big picture at all. Linux is just the kernel of the system, and other applications have to use it's services. It makes you wonder, if GNU/Linux would have actually made it bigger on the desktop if Linus had cared about desktop users in 90's and 2000's.

Re:Whoah whoah (4, Interesting)

cbope (130292) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674847)

I hate to counter a possible AC troll, but Linus has always followed the "do one thing and do it well" mantra. In a sense, we are likely better off that he didn't "look at the big picture" and lose focus on the core.

I believe the issue the AC brings up lies more with Linux desktop environments, rather than with Linus himself. If Linux had more or less standardized on a single desktop* for corporate use, we would likely see more Linux on the desktop today. But it didn't and the rest is history.

* I am not trying to imply there should be one and only one desktop for Linux. I am simply saying that to address the corporate desktop market, a standardized desktop** is more or less essential. Of course there are also special needs outside the corporate desktop, and this is where different desktop environments can exist and fill a particular niche.

** Win8 is a good example where MS changed the standard desktop environment and is being shunned by the corporate crowd as a result. It's just too different from what had become the "standard" since Win95.

Re: Whoah whoah (1)

nbritton (823086) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675469)

Desktop standardization has nothing to do with it, the problem was, and continues to be:

Application availability.
Application toolkit interoperability.
Inconsistent management of applications.

The purpose of a kernel is to manage the operating system, and the purpose of a operating system is to run applications. After 22 years they still don't get this, users don't fucking care about some abstract kernel!

It's just like a car... few people actually care about the engine, they just put gas in the fucker and expect it to get them from point A to B. Point B isn't a kernel, it's a application, the kernel is merely the engine in the car.

You can bolt on the best engine in the world to a Yugo, but at the end of the day it's still a piece of shit Yugo.

Re:Whoah whoah (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44675509)

>I hate to counter a possible AC troll, but Linus has always followed the "do one thing and do it well" mantra. In a sense, we are likely better off that he didn't "look at the big picture" and lose focus on the core.

Just because we don't agree, doesn't mean I am trolling you :) Then again, your statement has no logical merit at all, you just say "we are likely better" etc. The truth is, you can't know that.

Android kernel for example is a pretty heavily modified Linux kernel core, and since Google focused in bringing their version of that core to especially Android handheld devices, it was successful: The Android kernel and it's supporting libraries has been devised with applications in mind, not hardware device vendors.

>I am simply saying that to address the corporate desktop market, a standardized desktop** is more or less essential.

Well, Android already is a living proof of that. And guess what? Why do you think GNU/Linux was so successful before in replacing Unix in 90s and 2000s? Because it used the same standardized interfaces on command line, like standard Unix tools etc. If Linus or GNU had introduced completely different sets of command line tools in 1990s and tried to get people to use them, Linux would have had a lot harder time to break through.

Meanwhile (1, Offtopic)

aliquis (678370) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674113)

Meanwhile Windows has gone from Windows 3.11 to 95, 98, __, 2K, XP, 2K3, _______, Windows 7 and finally Windows 8 and each and every time made huge progress!

Linux? Same old login prompt!

JK. At least my comment is better than the two first ones.

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674179)

huge progress? Windows 8 is a regression to 3.11 coupled with backdoors.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674185)

ME? Vista? do I get a prize? also, if linus had moved his ass a bit, he could have had an official release on the 22nd anniversary. that's what jobs would have done. maybe linus should have used some of that legendary whip-cracking management skill of his.

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674845)

Even windows ME had far more users than linux ever has. or will.

At some point you have to realize the community and support surrounding your product is what is holding it back.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

pecosdave (536896) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675255)

Are you pretending Android phones, Chromebooks, Tivo, Tom Tom and Kindle don't run Linux?

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44675291)

99% of the people using those products would never care if you changed them from Linux to something else.

Re:Meanwhile (3, Insightful)

Yomers (863527) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675395)

99% of the people using those products would never care if you changed them from Linux to something else.

Provided all software is working and GUI remains the same? They would not care if you change NT kernel on their Windows desktops to this mystical 'something else', then. Majority of people using any product do not think much about kernel, and rightly so.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

pecosdave (536896) | 1 year,6 days | (#44676565)

Not caring doesn't invalidate my statement.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674299)

Meanwhile Windows has gone from Windows 3.11 to 95, 98, __, 2K, XP, 2K3, _______, Windows 7 and finally Windows 8 and each and every time made huge progress!

Linux? Same old login prompt!

JK. At least my comment is better than the two first ones.

I think the picture will be slightly different if you only look at the NT kernel.
Comparing kernels with kernels and so on.

They messed up the login prompt (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674427)

";login:" worked perfectly well and they shouldn't have broken compatibility and confused millions of users.

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674327)

Guess I forgot to include NT. Whatever.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

unixisc (2429386) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674401)

NT was a different OS that ran parallel to WFW3.11, 95, 98 and ME. It was only at XP that it merged w/ the rest of the OS.

Also, a lot of distros bypass the login prompt and go straight to the working DE.

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44675129)

Good old 32 bit computing which Microsoft had a Century before Apple!

Re:Meanwhile (2)

kthreadd (1558445) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675275)

Apple Macs was 32 bit since the start in 1984. The Motorola 68000 only used 24 bits for addressing though.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

unixisc (2429386) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675537)

Apple had 32-bit computing. The issue was that all OSs up to System 9 did not support preemptive multitasking. That's what Copland was supposed to address, but never materialized. Ultimately, Apple had to throw in the towel on that one and acquire NEXT.

Looking back at it, since they were moving to a new OS, they could have also adapted SPARC and/or PA-RISC as platforms on which to support it. NEXTSTEP already existed on those 2 CPUs, so had Apple made Macs out of either of those 2, OS-X would have been ready a lot earlier than it eventually was.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

donaldm (919619) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675059)

Linux? Same old login prompt!

Actually Unix from 1980 just called and would like it's FUD back.

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44676087)

That should be "its", not "it's".

22 YEARS TO 3.11 !! WINDOWS DID IT IN SIX !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674153)

Lazy lazy LAZY !!

Re:22 YEARS TO 3.11 !! WINDOWS DID IT IN SIX !! (4, Insightful)

loosescrews (1916996) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674165)

I think the Linux kernel development team have slightly higher standards than Microsoft.

Re:22 YEARS TO 3.11 !! WINDOWS DID IT IN SIX !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674309)

That could very well be, all I can say is that every time I update Linux chanses are way highter that one of a) sound or b) wifi is going to be either wonky or go completely bellyup, something I never see with Windows anymore.

Re:22 YEARS TO 3.11 !! WINDOWS DID IT IN SIX !! (1)

r_a_trip (612314) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674825)

Buy better hardware...

Re:22 YEARS TO 3.11 !! WINDOWS DID IT IN SIX !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44676507)

Not the original AC, but thought I'd mention that Linux updates have hosed my network interface configs on three separate occasions in the last year or so. If I'd been a regular user, I'd have given up on Linux after the first time because 'updates broke my internet'.

Re:22 YEARS TO 3.11 !! WINDOWS DID IT IN SIX !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674431)

They may have higher standards, but they very rarely reach them.

Re:22 YEARS TO 3.11 !! WINDOWS DID IT IN SIX !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674363)

Label the DOSe at 1 (win16 real)
Label the extended DOS at 2 (w16 and w9x)
Label the NT 3x as 3
Label the NT 4x as 4
Label the NT 5x as 5 (w2k, xp)
Label the NT 6x as 6 (vista, 7, 8)

Face the facts. These are that. Win 3.11 was a 2nd gen, and if you want to, pure shit compared to today. Not pure shit, but makes you think people were very, very stupid back then. Still are, but most are on Facebook so they wear badges considering.

Linux kernel is there around NT 3x kernel.

I have spoken.

Re:22 YEARS TO 3.11 !! WINDOWS DIDhtt IT IN SIX !! (2)

Barefoot Monkey (1657313) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675515)

Hey, at least they're making progress. 13 years ago Windows was up to 2000, now they've gone all the way down to 8. That's 1992 versions! At this rate they'll hit zero in just 19 days.

I'm a believer. (3, Funny)

tpstigers (1075021) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674207)

Linux is the operating system of the people. This alone justifies its existence.

Re:I'm a believer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674625)

But what will happen to Linux when Linus stops working on it?

Re:I'm a believer. (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674929)

One of the Lieutenants gets promoted to HMFIC.

Re:I'm a believer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44675021)

Does any of them have the same vision that Linus have?

Re:I'm a believer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44675183)

How could they? Completely distinct eyeballs.

Re:I'm a believer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44676411)

So without Linus it is likely that the Kernel development will turn in another direction.
One usually says that it could be both good and bad but the people who are using Linux today do so because the vision of Linus suits them. With someone else making the decisions it may no longer be the best alternative for those who use it today. For others it might become more suitable.

Re:I'm a believer. (1)

vomitology (2780489) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674663)

Maybe 'for the people'... but unless you count Android, I think it has a ways to go before it can be considered 'of the people'.

Re:I'm a believer. (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675333)

Did you come to this conclusion before or after you saw her face?

Re:I'm a believer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44675387)

You don't have to "believe" anything. FYI, linux is now absolutely, utterly, indisputably mainstream (in the server and embedded markets).

20 Years of virus free computing for me! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674227)

:)

Re:20 Years of virus free computing for me! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674417)

Hi. I'm a virus. Please send me to all your friends. Thanks!

Is it ready for the desktop ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674247)

I don't think so. the best video editing tool available on Linux (Kino) is no longer maintained. The other software are either in alpha stage or crash consistently.

At least this video was made from Kino :
Kino sample [youtube.com]

Re:Is it ready for the desktop ? (0)

kwikrick (755625) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674527)

So, pick up the ball and maintain it yourself. Or, help improve other video editors out there. Or maybe you aren't ready for the Linux desktop?

Re:Is it ready for the desktop ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674671)

So, pick up the ball and maintain it yourself. Or, help improve other video editors out there. Or maybe you aren't ready for the Linux desktop?

And that. my friend, beautifully summed up, is the reason why Linux will not, in the foreseeable future, cut it as a consumer desktop OS

I'm not an AC, I just couldn't be arsed to log in to comment

Re:Is it ready for the desktop ? (3, Insightful)

Bert64 (520050) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675147)

And how much software for other os is there that is no longer maintained?
At least with the sourcecode you have the option of maintaining it yourself... If you choose not to take advantage of that option, then you are never any worse off than the alternative.

Re:Is it ready for the desktop ? (1)

SocietyoftheFist (316444) | 1 year,6 days | (#44676049)

LOL, yeah, that is why Linux doesn't' exist on the desktop. I use it all the time at work for projects but it stopped being a personal desktop for me roughly 6-7 years ago... maybe longer, can't remember anymore. I stuck with OS/2 until 96-97 too so it isn't like I don't give alternatives a chance past their obvious primes. My first Linux installation was Slackware 2.4 and the last one I personally used was Ubuntu X.X. Luckily Apple took FreeBSD and made it very usable and so I have a MBP now. I have a Nexus 7 though so I can claim to still be a Linux user.

Re:Is it ready for the desktop ? (3, Informative)

Teun (17872) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675033)

A bit pointless right? For all purpose such a video can be straight out of the camera.

Anyway, these days we use Kdenlive for video editing.

Re:Is it ready for the desktop ? (4, Informative)

madsdyd (228464) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675723)

You are sorely lacking in the history department of Linux Video Editors.

Kino was originally developed with only DV editing in mind. It grew to be pretty usefull, but around the mid 00's, the main developers (Charles Yates and Dan Dennedy) realised that the basic foundation of Kino would never accomodate anything besides a clip-oriented DV editor. They therefore wrote the MLT framework (http://www.mltframework.org/) that is a powerfull (open source) multimedia framework, which is used in TV productions, and is the basis of several open source video editors, most notable Kdenlive and OpenShot. (See list here: http://www.mltframework.org/bin/view/MLT/Projects).

Dan Dennedy decided to keep Kino "alive" as it is usefull to some people, but not do any further development on it.

Dan Dennedy still maintains MLT and have contributed to several of the MLT related projects. Kdenlive is a powerfull NLE video editor that can do most of, if not all, that the very expensive tools for other platforms do. In some cases way more. (And, yes, it runs under Gnome or other desktops, you just need the KDE libs)

It is unfortunate that people keep referencing Kino. No new development have been made on it for literally years, and e.g. Kdenlive are much, much more powerfull.

(On a side note, it is also unfortunate that so few people know of the massive amount of work that Dan Dennedy has invested in to Video editing on Linux. Besides Kino and MLT, he has been heavily involved in the Firewire/dv1394 drivers of the Linux kernels, and it is amazing how much he has contributed).

If you want to see Kdenlive related videos, search for kdenlive on youtube. Tons of people have made videos with Kdenlive.

Disclaimer: I have contributed code and translations to both Kino and Kdenlive. I belive I may even be listed as one of the authors of Kino (or at least was at some point).

Re:Is it ready for the desktop ? (3, Insightful)

Provocateur (133110) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675757)

A lot of the times no longer maintained could stand for 'Project is stable enough'

Where is the Workgroups support (3, Funny)

jrumney (197329) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674305)

I think its about time that Linux was adapted for Workgroups. How anyone could justify releasing version 3.11 without them this late in the game is something I just cannot fathom.

Re:Where is the Workgroups support (1)

Greyfox (87712) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674393)

Hmm. Last time someone released a "For Workgroups" OS, IBM released OS/2 for Workgroups a month or two later and then killed the OS not too long after that. If we see an "AIX For Workgroups" anytime soon, the AIX team should start getting nervous.

Re:Where is the Workgroups support (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674451)

could be, but to me it's akin to a chessmaster caught in a game of checkers.

Re:Where is the Workgroups support (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674457)

long done deal. just set "workgroup = workgroup" in your smb.conf and restart samba

Re:Where is the Workgroups support (3)

You're All Wrong (573825) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674697)

Erm...
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/07/15/1530233/linux-311-officially-named-linux-for-workgroups

See with your own eyes:
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Makefile

Cant wait! (1)

patriciacurtis (920142) | 1 year,6 days | (#44674765)

I cant wait till the windows version comes out!

Humility (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44674801)

It was 22 years ago today that Linus Torvalds last humbly announced anything.

I thank 7ou For your time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44675237)

from now on or Obsessed - 6ive ones in software bulk of the FreeBSD Rapid, 800 mhz machine fastest-growing GAY

Re:I thank 7ou For your time (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44676231)

Ah, the mystical BSD troll.

Linus doesn't humbly announce anything (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44675325)

Nor does he do anything else humbly. He's too busy trying to be the biggest asshole he can be to do anything humbly.

I guess the Linux team isn't superstitious. (1)

Virtucon (127420) | 1 year,6 days | (#44675851)

Sometimes a version number is a version number and not an association of a long defunct product.

I'm confused (1)

tom229 (1640685) | 1 year,6 days | (#44676545)

When I type uname -r on my Ubuntu install here it says kernel version 3.5.... what gives?

Re:I'm confused (1)

iggymanz (596061) | 1 year,6 days | (#44676717)

instead of going 3.09, 3.10, 3.11, the Linus chose to go 3.9, 3.10, 3.11

Re:I'm confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44676747)

Most distros are way behind the current kernel and hopefully backport security updates, etc.

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