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Linux Vendors Push For Open-Source In Hybrid Datacenter Clouds

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the works-better-than-pushing-fresh-mangoes dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "Linux vendors Red Hat and SUSE are pushing to make sure Linux-based virtual machines are an important part of datacenter-based hybrid clouds. The two are taking significantly different tacks toward the same destination, however. SUSE is using the visibility and cloud hype of VMware by extending its partnership with the virtualization provider to promote its SUSE Linux Enterprise Server for VMware as an alternative operating system for virtual machines running on VMware's vCloud Hybrid Service. Red Hat is happy to include VMware in its plans, but isn't limiting itself either to VMware-based clouds or, in fact, the idea that a Linux vendor has to tag along with a cloud- or virtualization developer to find its place in mixed infrastructures. 'We do not buy into the premise that a private or a hybrid platform based on one vendor's technologies and products is the answer,' wrote Bryan Che, general manager of Red Hat's Cloud Business Unit. More than 25 percent of customers want clouds or datacenter infrastructures using virtualization products from more than one vendor, according to a buyers' guide published in August by market researcher IDC."

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Yells at cloud (2)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | about a year ago | (#44692223)

Until the NSA problem is cleared up, the cloud stuff is just drifting.

Re:Yells at cloud (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44692289)

You know what? There's this video of an Asian woman riding a bike in public -- but this ain't no ordinary bike. It has an undulating dildo mechanism coupled to the crank, thrusting upward periodically though a hole in the seat. There's also an upward-facing camera below the seat to drive the point home. The best part is that a woman puts on a dress and actually rides the thing in public, and you can see both a third-person view and the view from the upward-pointing, bike-mounted camera thanks to the modern miracle of picture-in-picture.

But I ain't never seen it, because I don't watch that shit. I ain't no pervert.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Yells at cloud (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44692353)

You know what? There's this video of an Asian woman riding a bike in public -- but this ain't no ordinary bike. It has an undulating dildo mechanism coupled to the crank, thrusting upward periodically though a hole in the seat. There's also an upward-facing camera below the seat to drive the point home. The best part is that a woman puts on a dress and actually rides the thing in public, and you can see both a third-person view and the view from the upward-pointing, bike-mounted camera thanks to the modern miracle of picture-in-picture.

But I ain't never seen it, because I don't watch that shit. I ain't no pervert.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Link or it doesn't exist, faggot.

Re:Yells at cloud (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44692495)

Google japanese dildo bike.

Re:Yells at cloud (0)

shentino (1139071) | about a year ago | (#44693447)

Definitely not safe to orgasm while pedaling on the road.

Re:Yells at cloud (0)

shentino (1139071) | about a year ago | (#44693127)

You're a pervert enough if you fantasize about it in public.

I'm still wondering what led you to even go look for it.

You must be a troll.

Re:Yells at cloud (1)

slick7 (1703596) | about a year ago | (#44692895)

Until the NSA problem is cleared up, the cloud stuff is just drifting.

Cloud computing, like castles in the air, are great and everything until you move in.

Re:Yells at cloud (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#44693265)

Re like castles?
A US castle would offer great views, be built on time, have the newest in military thinking and great comforts.
Overtime royalty would find that every opulent room has hidden passageways allowing observation and eavesdropping.
Yet people are not moving away from the US based clouds?
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130815/10310724188/no-there-hasnt-been-big-shift-away-us-datacenters-yet.shtml [techdirt.com]

Re:Yells at cloud (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44693929)

Of course they aren't - at least, not US customers.

Exactly where are US customers going to go that isn't going to get them spied on by foreign powers, to their detriment?

Foreign companies might pull out - since it's clear the NSA is spying the hell out of them - but this was inevitable. Why would you host your site about German captioned lolcats in the US? Germany (and indeed, Europe) has no shortage of providers where, if there's a problem, you can call and get someone who doesn't scream loudly in English through the phone to make sure you understand them.

Re:Yells at cloud (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44703999)

Exactly where are US customers going to go that isn't going to get them spied on by foreign powers, to their detriment?

Not every country is a fascist dictatorship in disguise. But it is true that US citizens are often deluded of living in the best place on earth.

better title (3, Insightful)

Gravis Zero (934156) | about a year ago | (#44692241)

Vendors Push For Own Products In Market

let's be clear, this isnt about open source at all. this is about businesses wanting a piece of the monetary pie. take your "it's about open source" pretense and shove it in your cloud.

Re:better title (1)

globz (2832793) | about a year ago | (#44692391)

I agree but at least we get an alternative and open source will always be the better choice in my book. In the end its all about money and the "cloud" will do just that, bring more money.

Re:better title (1)

Gravis Zero (934156) | about a year ago | (#44692499)

open source will always be the better choice in my book.

you must have blacked out the old days of GIMP. ;)

Re:better title (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44693095)

> you must have blacked out the old days of GIMP. ;)

Shouldn't you be over on Second Life talking to your furry girlfriend?

Re:better title (1)

dargaud (518470) | about a year ago | (#44695671)

you must have blacked out the old days of GIMP. ;)

You mean right now ? Just when I finally more or less got used to Gimp after years of trying, they removed the ability to save any file besides native ocx format. You have to use export every single time you want to save as jpg (even for multiple saves without closing), and it doesn't use the directory of the opened file. And it tells you that the file isn't saved when you try and close it. 10 clicks instead of two. It's been driving me insane for the last few months.

Re:better title (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44697325)

Yes, gimp has gone silly in the extreme. Fortunately, one can fork it . . .

Open Source money .. (1)

dgharmon (2564621) | about a year ago | (#44693045)

"this isnt about open source at all"

I see and from what corner of the multiverse do you come from, where Red Hat aren't allowed to make money out of the Cloud?

Re:Open Source money .. (1)

Gravis Zero (934156) | about a year ago | (#44693473)

"this isnt about open source at all"

I see and from what corner of the multiverse do you come from, where Red Hat aren't allowed to make money out of the Cloud?

i was commenting on the title being a pretense for the article being about open source when it's clearly just about business. the open source component to this article is merely coincidental.

Red Hat is lying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44692421)

So Red Hat officially refuses to support RHEL guests on any other vendor's OpenStack host; they only allow Red Hat OpenStack to be used.

So much for their claims of supporting cross-vendor cloud

Re:Red Hat is lying (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about a year ago | (#44692853)

So Red Hat officially refuses to support RHEL guests on any other vendor's OpenStack host; they only allow Red Hat OpenStack to be used.

So much for their claims of supporting cross-vendor cloud

There's always CentOS and companies willing to support that. I hate to burst your bubble but they're not the only ones. Oracle also has stipulations on what Cloud vendors they'll play with too: Up until recently, [oracle.com] they only supported their software in their cloud solution and with AWS, now they support Microsoft, Hyper V and Azure. I think it has more to do in some cases of the underlying technology. And OpenStack != OpenStack just yet, there are differences so maybe it's just a matter of time before they have support in place or that market forces drive them to adopt a more open stance.

Support as in certification (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about a year ago | (#44694205)

You are talking about certifying that it will work and back that up with a warranty. That's not the same as making sure it works or actively preventing it to work. RedHat has no control over what other vendors or "loose" open source products do, unless they have contracts and agreements with them to make sure their product are interoperable. You can't seriously expect them to certify their product will work on anybodies hobby project without first knowing what the hobby project will do in the future. Since they have their own OpenStack product, it'd be silly not to warrant at least that. RedHat supports their OS on several competitors hypervisors, so blaming they won't support the competition is nonsense. It's just that they need to be assured what the competitor is doing technically so they can test for that and work with the competitor to iron out any flaws.

Re:Support as in certification (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44695525)

You're actively wrong. They will not allow RHEL guests on anyone else's OpenStack. Not RackSpace, not HP

And, uh, yeah there aren't actually any public clouds built on Red Hat's OpenStack yet so effectively they don't allow RHEL guests in any public OpenStack cloud. So much for openness

buzzwords (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about a year ago | (#44692481)

Is it me that is not very well awoken this morning, or is this summary just a pile of buzzword without actual news?

Re:buzzwords (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#44693001)

Well some past very public outages have made people understand what some cloud products can do at a set price point.
They stop working and the person setting the site up is blamed for not spending every more cash and not understanding that cloud can be just one site with extra bandwidth in the fine print.
Costumers could have talked to any traditional provider and got some real options with more than one "location" been on offer at a price point but where thinking the 'cloud' was that product by default.
Your buying into a physical site with the ability to push a lot of data if needed vs real regional or vast national networking support.
Power back up, extra working optical from regional areas that should stay working would be a given? A provider ensuring your data was in a digital network rather than a physical site cut off from the world was expected at any price point under the new 'cloud' term.
Now you have several Linux like products to spread/spend your hosting needs around with.
The site building is yours (centrally), the cash you saved goes into their "data centers" offering greater flexibility.
Will your next host with a better "cloud" avoid the "impact of natural disasters such as earthquakes and floods"?

Open-Source Hybrid Datacenter Cloud (2)

aaron4801 (3007881) | about a year ago | (#44692573)

That's the most Pointy-Haired Boss phrase EVER.

Re:Open-Source Hybrid Datacenter Cloud (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about a year ago | (#44692859)

Don't worry Deloitte, Accenture or Booze Allen will come up with a better name.

FHUDCloud?

why not bill for services? (0)

jclaer (306442) | about a year ago | (#44693157)

Bill for services, that's what we do at Stanford University. We're a non-profit.

Re:why not bill for services? (3, Funny)

techno-vampire (666512) | about a year ago | (#44693285)

What I want to know is, who is Bill and how much does he charge for those services. Come to think of it, what "services" is he providing?

Spare me the higher motives pretense (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44694553)

Cloud computing is all about NOT caring what the underlying OS is/are, just so long as its a) stable b) secure and c) economic. Red Hat have been pushing OpenStack and there are plenty of alternatives out there like CloudStack, Cloudera etc.

But VMware is setting the pace and has the most complete feature set that takes the least amount of time to setup and all of the others (including a fast-charging Microsoft) are playing catchup. Yes, its expensive in licensing, but cheap to get support and qualified engineers.

Purity-of-heart and pretending to speak for a large number of supposedly mute customers hasn't worked for Linux and Open Source - delivery of a heterogeneous, stable, reliable cloud does.

Want to know what I think would be a killer app for Cloud? An operating system that commissions its resources across multiple hosts as required

Microsoft SQL Server (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44697261)

The biggest impediment to Linux is Microsoft SQL Server, which most vertical market packages seem to use. People want to move their in-house vertical market packages to SaaS clouds, or their in-house custom code, and need Microsoft SQL Server as the back-end database. Is that what "hybrid" means? Run Linux and have a Windows Server instance for Microsoft SQL Server?

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