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Un-Un-Pentium On Your Periodic Table of the Elements?

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the waiting-for-unobtanium dept.

Science 172

PolygamousRanchKid writes, quoting Forbes "Researchers at Sweden's Lund University have announced that they've been able to confirm the existence of element 115 on the periodic table. This research team isn't the first to create element 115, which is currently known as ununpentium. The first claim that ununpentium had been synthesized in a lab was by a joint group of Russian and American researchers, who believed that they created it in their lab in 2004."

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Jokes (5, Insightful)

suso (153703) | about a year ago | (#44696225)

If you want to make a lot of stupid jokes about the Pentium chip, don't worry, they were already made 10 years ago in the other Slashdot article [slashdot.org]

Re:Jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696251)

I am too lazy to read the previous post, are there enough of Elarium jokes there?

Re:Jokes (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696277)

I am too lazy to read the previous post,

Some things never change.

Re:Jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696597)

*Elirium

Sincerely,
Fiction Pedant

Re:Jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696643)

*Elerium - ed.

THIS. IS. SLASHDOT! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696253)

So they've made the AMD K6?

Re:THIS. IS. SLASHDOT! (1)

drakaan (688386) | about a year ago | (#44696905)

No, they've made zombies [wikia.com] .

Re:Jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696369)

You know, this actually makes me wonder why intel didn't name it the "Unquadium"... Then it would match up with silicon neatly.

Re:Jokes (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696455)

Jokes about pentium are boron.

Leeloo Dallas Multipass (3, Funny)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44696545)

Jokes about pentium are boron.

Is Milla Jovovich [wikipedia.org] still boron to look at?

Re:Leeloo Dallas Multipass (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#44697281)

You'd think The Fifth Element would've been a huge boon to Dial, the company most known for selling borax, but alas they never seem to have capitalized on it. This would never happen in Futurama!

Re:Jokes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696573)

Insert reference to Weird Al: scientists twerking to "It's All About Ununpentium".

Re:Jokes (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | about a year ago | (#44697023)

Thanks for bringing us back to the Core of that joke.

Re:Jokes (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | about a year ago | (#44697179)

No, but I would ask if this is the fifth element!

so... (2, Insightful)

JustNiz (692889) | about a year ago | (#44696233)

what is it actually good for?

Re:so... (5, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year ago | (#44696325)

It's good for getting closer to the predicted island of stability, where stable (and usable) elements may exists.

It's also good for satisfying human curiosity (which in itself is a worthy goal) and being a catalyst for inventing new technology that may be of practical value already.

Re:so... (2)

Alioth (221270) | about a year ago | (#44696795)

From what I understand, the "island of stability" in terms of super-heavy elements is a relative term - it just means the decay of elements in the island of stability is measured in maybe hundreds of milliseconds instead of a few microseconds.

Re:so... (4, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year ago | (#44696843)

From what I understand, the "island of stability" in terms of super-heavy elements is a relative term - it just means the decay of elements in the island of stability is measured in maybe hundreds of milliseconds instead of a few microseconds.

they are expected to have radioactive decay half-lives of at least minutes or days as compared to seconds, with some optimists expecting half-lives of millions of years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability

The answer is, we don't know for sure. That's why we're trying to get there. If their half life is anything longer than a few minutes they would revolutionize chemistry.

Re:so... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696953)

...If their half life is anything longer than a few minutes they would revolutionize chemistry....

Not only that. If their half-life is around a couple of years, and if you can make consumer goods out of them, they would revolutionise DRM and planned obsolescence...

Re:so... (1)

Skater (41976) | about a year ago | (#44697161)

And landfills. Double edged sword and all that.

Re:so... (2)

Z00L00K (682162) | about a year ago | (#44697205)

No - there wouldn't be anything to send to the landfill since it will blow up itself and the user at the same time preventing any lawsuits.

Re:so... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696343)

what is it actually good for?

What's it good for? Selling large wall maps of Periodic Tables to sci-geeks who are now pissed that theirs is as accurate as a politicians expense report.

Oh, I'm sorry, you were looking for a valid use for some of these new Elements? Yeah, me too...

Re:so... (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#44696351)

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/01/us/uut-and-uup-add-their-atomic-mass-to-periodic-table.html?src=pm [nytimes.com] hinted at
''It's just incredibly exciting. It seems to open up the possibility of synthesizing more elements beyond this.'' and
''Scientifically, just for the pure science of it, wouldn't you like to know just how many chemical elements there are?''
As with other research we might get better nuclear weapons and something like household smoke detectors or win big with the next elements?

Re:so... (1)

Exitar (809068) | about a year ago | (#44696515)

What's the point of better nuclear weapons?

Re:so... (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a year ago | (#44696799)

Shorter half-life, smaller controlled explosions, need to stock pile fewer of them.

Re:so... (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about a year ago | (#44697183)

What's the point of needing to stockpile nuclear weapons?

Re:so... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44697273)

Deterrence.

You may have noticed a general lack of gigantic world wars since 1945?

Re:so... (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44696361)

what is it actually good for?

Understanding the world around us? You know, sciency stuff.

Nobody is going to make you a car out of this, but some of these 'exotic' materials they need to create in a lab can tell us some interesting things about the early universe.

Since when do we need a specific reason to do science? You never know what you'll find out once you've done the research.

Re:so... (3, Informative)

Loughla (2531696) | about a year ago | (#44696463)

Since when do we need a specific reason to do science? You never know what you'll find out once you've done the research.

Since we started implementing austerity measures.

Re:so... (3, Insightful)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about a year ago | (#44696655)

Since when do we need a specific reason to do science? You never know what you'll find out once you've done the research.

Since we started implementing austerity measures.

Just because the banks lost all our money down the back of the sofa doesn't mean we shouldn't do science.

Re:so... (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year ago | (#44696685)

Pretty sure all the money went to the military.

Re:so... (3, Funny)

fph il quozientatore (971015) | about a year ago | (#44696777)

I've heard Element 123 possesses weapons of mass destruction. Is that enough for a reason?

Re:so... (1)

cdrudge (68377) | about a year ago | (#44696553)

It's a legitimate question. If creating it in a lab does yield some type scientific information or even just "we created something that has never existed before (that we know of)" then that's a legitimate answer. But even after that, the next question is, what else does this mean?

You say that it can tell us interesting things about the early universe. How is that? I'm no nuclear chemist. How does creating an element that lasts all of a few hundred milliseconds at most telling us interesting things from the early universe?

Re:so... (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44696681)

How does creating an element that lasts all of a few hundred milliseconds at most telling us interesting things from the early universe?

Because, oddly enough, many of the things in the early universe are postulated to have been elements which last a few hundred milliseconds. :-P

My understanding is these are the kinds of things which get created when you have a really high-energy event, and you can likely learn stuff about how matter and the universe works. Mostly we get to see what really happens instead of a theoretical guess.

As far as what this teaches us directly, I'm afraid I'll have to defer to someone a little more qualified. Having said that, this [wikipedia.org] might be a good starting point.

Re:so... (1)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | about a year ago | (#44696789)

But even after that, the next question is, what else does this mean?

It depends on the result

Re:so... (1)

JustNiz (692889) | about a year ago | (#44696603)

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I've nothing against doing science, I just wondered what, if anything, this stuff can be used to make that we couldn't already do before.
See I'm still waiting for my matter transporter, affordable flying cars and free electricity that they were promising us back in the 50's.

Re:so... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696763)

my matter transporter

We call that a "truck". Or "lorry", if you're British.

affordable flying cars

We call that one a "helicopter".

and free electricity

We call that one "reflashing your 'smart' meter"

Re:so... (1)

Jessified (1150003) | about a year ago | (#44696635)

Nobody knew the implications of the electron when it was discovered.

Re:so... (1)

Poeli (573204) | about a year ago | (#44696667)

Nobody is going to make you a car out of this, but some of these 'exotic' materials they need to create in a lab can tell us some interesting things about the early universe.

It's not gonna tells us much as it is extremely short lived. They haven't 'seen' the atom itself. They measured it's decay products. There are no physical properties known of un-un-pentium because it's extremely difficult to measure anything about it.

Re:so... (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a year ago | (#44696817)

No physical properties?
that's not true.

Re:so... (1)

Poeli (573204) | about a year ago | (#44696979)

No physical properties?
that's not true.

Name one that has been measured. We don't know anything for sure expect the decay.

Everything else comes from theoretical calculations and predictions.

Re:so... (1)

michelcolman (1208008) | about a year ago | (#44696951)

Nobody is going to make you a car out of this

Maybe a hyperloop, though?

Re:so... (2)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | about a year ago | (#44696387)

what is it actually good for?

You can use it to build a boat.

Re:so... (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | about a year ago | (#44696423)

War!

Re:so... (2)

SMACX guy (1003684) | about a year ago | (#44696505)

It's one of those rare ones in the Discovery tech tree, where you don't get a new weapon or base facility, but it's a prerequisite to some other, totally kickass tech. That next tech doesn't seem to be the docs, though. Actually, I can't even find out if this tech makes a Secret Project available. It's all undocumented. You just have to play to find out what happens, I guess.

Re:so... (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#44696837)

Somebody has to actually have fun playing the game for the first time instead of looking it up on the wiki.

Re:so... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696619)

We can use it to generate gravity waves which will allow us to fly to Mars and destroy the alien outpost there, ending the invasion of Earth.

Re:so... (1)

don (3029853) | about a year ago | (#44696683)

what is it actually good for?

ab-so-lutely noth-ing huh

Re:so... (2)

Matt_Bennett (79107) | about a year ago | (#44696735)

This brings to mind the quote (and variants) that have been variously attributed to Benjamin Franklin and Michael Faraday: "What is the use of an infant?" Science is about discovering these things.

Re:so... (1)

vadim_t (324782) | about a year ago | (#44696765)

Ammunition for the plasma rifle and fuel for advanced aircraft.

Un (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696243)

Un-First-Postium

Re:Un (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696391)

sorry, just garden variety U-fail-ite

Bob Lazar and element 115 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696261)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVrGtKRYnfQ

element 115 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696265)

I think wafers of stable element 155 are used to produce antigravity when you bombard it with antimatter. that's what the aliens use for propulsion.

Element 115? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696273)

More like Element 386.

Re:Element 115? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696377)

More like Element 386.

586.

Sheesh. Hand in your geek card. We're not going to burn it. We're going to soak it in gasoline, stuff it in your shorts, THEN burn it.

Re:Element 115? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696419)

Yikes! C-c-can we un-un-undo that plan?

Re:Element 115? (1)

ggraham412 (1492023) | about a year ago | (#44696937)

More like Element 386.

Trioctosexium?

Ugh. Sounds like it was named by swingers.

Re:Element 115? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696543)

I would say more like element 114.9998797414

Re:Element 115? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44697537)

ununquaddotnonnonnonoctheptnonheptquadunquadium did not fit

Can somebody come up with a sensible name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696283)

Or are we stuck with Ununpentium?

Re:Can somebody come up with a sensible name? (1)

dido (9125) | about a year ago | (#44696339)

Once the discovery of the element is confirmed, the people who discovered it get dibs on naming the new element. The funny names like 'Ununpentium' are the temporary IUPAC systematic element names [wikipedia.org] used for elements whose synthesis has not yet been confirmed. Of course, priority of discovery and confirmation of discovery can be a highly politicised process, so the systematic name remains in use until this gets settled.

goatseite ? (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about a year ago | (#44696503)

please please please...
LOLZonium

LULZite?...
Anonynimium ?...
Lazaronium?
Zetatite?

Re:Can somebody come up with a sensible name? (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year ago | (#44697193)

Besides, isn't Pentium already trademarked by Intel? The whole purpose of that name was getting away from a numbering system which, at the time, rivals like AMD, NexGen, Cyrix and Centaur could use. Once Intel started using 'Pentium', its rivals could use names like 586, 686 and so on, but it didn't mean much. But as a result, I don't think the IUPAC can use Pentium as a permanent name

And as you point out, Ununpentium is a temporary placeholder, until they decide who they want to name it after. They could name it Kurchatovium, after the Soviet scientist after whom the Soviets wanted to name Atomic number 104, but where the IUPAC named it after Ernest Rutherford. If they did that, the Russians might be more appreciative.

Re:Can somebody come up with a sensible name? (1)

Minwee (522556) | about a year ago | (#44697251)

Besides, isn't Pentium already trademarked by Intel?

I think that the Greeks may be able to claim prior art on that, since they have been using the prefix "penta-" for about 3400 years longer than Intel has.

Re:Can somebody come up with a sensible name? (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year ago | (#44697479)

Well, at least Intel thinks it owns Pentium as a trademark. From: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/trademarks/pentium.html [intel.com]

Usage Guidelines for the Pentium® or Intel® Pentium® Trademark

Whenever the Pentium® name appears, the following footnote must also appear: "Pentium is a trademark of Intel Corporation in the U.S. and/or other countries."

Maybe the "unun" in front means that ununpentium doesn't infringe on it. So maybe AMD could name a processor, "ThisIsNotaPentium", and be OK.

Re:Can somebody come up with a sensible name? (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about a year ago | (#44696917)

My vote is for Starktonium.

Re:Can somebody come up with a sensible name? (3, Interesting)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about a year ago | (#44697233)

Might as well just call it Elerium and be done with it.

Hope they give it a better name (4, Informative)

barlevg (2111272) | about a year ago | (#44696301)

Wikipedia was remarkably informative on the subject [wikipedia.org] (even for them):

Ununpentium is a temporary IUPAC systematic element name derived from the digits 115, where "un-" represents Latin unum. "Pent-" represents the Greek word for 5, and it was chosen because the Latin word for 5 ("quin") starts with 'q', which would have caused confusion with flerovium (previously known as ununquadium), element 114.

From the sentence before the section I quoted, I think even "eka-bismuth" would be a better name.

Re:Hope they give it a better name (1)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | about a year ago | (#44696929)

>where "un-" represents Latin unum. "Pent-" represents the Greek word for 5

In "The-Up-To-Date Sorcerer", Isaac Asimov notes that his scientist-protagonist shows "a proper scorn for the niceties of classical philology" by mixing Greek and Latin roots in his terminology. Score another one for the good doctor.

Re:Hope they give it a better name (1)

Minwee (522556) | about a year ago | (#44697257)

Indeed. Ununpentium is wrong for the same reasons that polyamory is

Re:Hope they give it a better name (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696967)

These are the standard placeholders. They will get real names later. I actually like "ununpentium" since I know instantly that it's 115.

punny code (1)

colfer (619105) | about a year ago | (#44696321)

Let the puns begin. Isn't that just Pentium? Is that the same as unAMD?

It must be linked (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696333)

Obligatory Music [youtube.com]

Hmmmm .... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44696401)

So, Chemistry was 25+ years ago for me ... does the "un-un" part actually mean anything here, or is it just some joke like "un-obtanium"?

Re:Hmmmm .... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696453)

ununlikely

Re:Hmmmm .... (3, Informative)

Exitar (809068) | about a year ago | (#44696527)

un un pentium = 1 1 5

Re:Hmmmm .... (1)

Carewolf (581105) | about a year ago | (#44696533)

Un-un means 1-1, as in un-un-pentium, 1-1-5

Re:Hmmmm .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696569)

So, Chemistry was 25+ years ago for me ... does the "un-un" part actually mean anything here, or is it just some joke like "un-obtanium"?

1 = un
5 = pent
115 = ununpentium

Re:Hmmmm .... (1)

CarsonChittom (2025388) | about a year ago | (#44696659)

It's "one-one-five-ium" from the Latin word for "one" and Greek for "five."

Re:Hmmmm .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696781)

Look at the comments above yours, the answer is already posted.

It's not element 115 (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696471)

Un-un-pentium is element 114.999997

Re:It's not element 115 (-1, Redundant)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about a year ago | (#44696497)

Un-un-pentium is element 114.999997

LOL, how did this get modded down. It's actually the funniest post yet.

Re:It's not element 115 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44696743)

Because atomic numbers - which refer to the number of protons in an atom - are integer values, not floating point, so the Pentium floating point errors would never have arisen?

Re:It's not element 115 (2)

oodaloop (1229816) | about a year ago | (#44696831)

Thanks, dude. You must be great fun at parties.

In Other News (4, Funny)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44696561)

The Gillette Company today announced plans to create element 117. A Gillette spokesperson was quoted as saying "115 protons? Screw it boys, we'll go to 117 protons!"

Re:In Other News (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#44696999)

The Gillette Company today announced plans to create element 117. A Gillette spokesperson was quoted as saying "115 protons? Screw it boys, we'll go to 117 protons!"

Except that ununseptium was created in 2011 [wikipedia.org] .

Of course ,the first few postings about it in a lot of public forums at the time was to name it after Master Chief [wikipedia.org] (who goes by either John-117 or Spartan-117).

Re:In Other News (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44697007)

Whoosh?

Re:In Other News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44697557)

Missing the joke and bringing up Halo fandom? Epic levels of faggotry good sir, a tip of the fedora to you.

un un pentium? (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about a year ago | (#44696813)

That's a double negative. So, it's just pentium.

Good they didn't have this naming years ago ... (4, Funny)

ggraham412 (1492023) | about a year ago | (#44696855)

... or else poor Sulphur would be "Unsexium".

Re:Good they didn't have this naming years ago ... (1)

josgeluk (842109) | about a year ago | (#44697303)

And Americium would be something like "Nonosexium". Appropriate, somehow.

Re:Good they didn't have this naming years ago ... (1)

josgeluk (842109) | about a year ago | (#44697323)

Oh no, that's Curium. My bad.

Re:Good they didn't have this naming years ago ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44697345)

Every potion of sulfuric acid needs a little sugar occasionally. Unsexium would clearly be the correct term only in the irony table of elements.

Bob Lazar (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44697481)

Bob Lazar says if you can shoot a proton at element 115 and amplify it, the energy creates a distortion field which allows you to escape gravity's pull and travel through space at near light speeds.

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