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Nintendo Announces 2DS Handheld — Plays 3DS Games In 2-D

Soulskill posted 1 year,22 days | from the hook-them-while-they're-young dept.

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Today Nintendo announced a new handheld gaming console called the 2DS. It will play all games from the DS and the 3DS, but games from the latter will be shown in 2-D (essentially as if the 3DS's depth slider was turned all the way down). The 2DS abandons the clamshell design of the earlier handhelds; instead, the device is a slightly wedge-shaped tablet with two small LCD screens — thicker at the top and thinner at the bottom. "It's a design that seems calculated to reduce manufacturing costs and durability issues, but it also seems fated to make the system nearly impossible to fit inside most pants pockets. The buttons and controls that were on the bottom half of previous DS and 3DS systems are now shifted toward the top, so you can reach the shoulder buttons that now rest above the top screen. This means you grip the 2DS from the sides rather than supporting it from the bottom with the corners resting in palm of your hand, like previous DS models." Nintendo of America President Reggie Fils-Aime said the new console is target at younger children, as the 3DS is recommended for players age 7 and up. It's also cheaper than the other models at $130.

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Numbering .. (4, Funny)

jxander (2605655) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698369)

So we have, chronologically, the original DS, then the 3DS, then the 2DS.

Apparently Nintendo is taking a page from Microsoft's console numbering playbook.

Re:Numbering .. (2)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698405)

It's descriptive. Like how the Nexus 7 (7" screen) preceded the Nexus 4 (4" screen). Unless Nintendo starts making breakthroughs in string theory, I don't think we're likely to see a 4+DS, the same way the 2nd generation Nexus 7 wasn't called the Nexus 8.

Re:Numbering .. (5, Funny)

puddingebola (2036796) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698477)

It's a sequence. What is the next number in the sequence? 1,3,2... the correct answer is 4. From this we can deduce that Nintendo has a 4 dimensional game device in the works, and that it will require inter-dimensional space travel to play.

Re:Numbering .. (2)

rwise2112 (648849) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698567)

It's a sequence. What is the next number in the sequence? 1,3,2... the correct answer is 4. From this we can deduce that Nintendo has a 4 dimensional game device in the works, and that it will require inter-dimensional space travel to play.

I'm expecting the 0DS - now in black and white!

Re:Numbering .. (1)

Goaway (82658) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698905)

Since you have three data points, the correct model is clearly a parabolic function, which gives us the next Nintendo handheld as the -2DS.

Re:Numbering .. (1)

TCQuad (537187) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699543)

"I want a 0DS!"

"But... isn't it just a single blinking pixel?"

"Pffft. You just don't understand gaming technology."

Re:Numbering .. (2)

intermodal (534361) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698661)

I hope it comes in blue. It's probably also bigger on the inside.

Re:Numbering .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698691)

Not too difficult if you can already create a future diary. Hopefully this won't happen though, the NSA would be telling us that a 4DS would be for terrorists but yet they would be the ones using them.

Re:Numbering .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698739)

The sequence cannot be + 2, - 1, ... due to too many repeats: 1,3,2,4,3,5,4...

Therefore it must be * 3, * 2/3, .... Giving 1,3,2,6,4,12,8,...

Captcha: reducer

Re:Numbering .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698847)

And here I thought there would be no demand for the 4ds so they'd go back to the 3ds

Re:Numbering .. (1)

Your.Master (1088569) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699633)

You can have a sequence defined as +2, -1, skipping any repeats.

Re:Numbering .. (1)

Seumas (6865) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698505)

Well, they've done so well with the "Wii U", which has seriously confused people who are not gaming enthusiasts.

Re:Numbering .. (1)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698521)

I'm actually surprised that the OP didn't include the other news, that Nintendo is dropping the price of the Wii U by $50. [arstechnica.com]

Re:Numbering .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698783)

I'm actually surprised that the OP didn't include the other news, that Nintendo is dropping the price of the Wii U by $50. [arstechnica.com]

Maybe because there are no worthwhile Wii U games compared to the 3DS?

Re:Numbering .. (1)

MiniMike (234881) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698657)

They were going to develop the 4DS, but the research and manufacturing costs were considered prohibitive.

Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (4, Insightful)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698373)

...but really it's no different than when Amazon started offering the Wi-Fi-only kindle: some people don't want the added feature, so Nintendo's giving them the option to get a device without it.

No defending the shape, though.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (0)

Kenja (541830) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698427)

No... it would be like a magazine only Kindle that could no longer read books.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (4, Insightful)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698467)

All 3DS games are playable on the 2DS, so no, it doesn't limit content at all. It only limits how you can view it.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698479)

No... it would be like a magazine only Kindle that could no longer read books.

No, it would be like a browser that could no longer display inline video and animated banner ads.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (4, Insightful)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698507)

Again, all 3DS content will be playable on the 2DS. If you want to use the browser analogy, I guess the closest thing would be a browser that only displays in grayscale.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698703)

More like a browser that doesn't show animated GIFs. Animated GIFs can sometimes be useful, but they can be large, annoying, and eat up cycles. Dropping animated GIF support wouldn't be a world-ending event.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (1)

parkinglot777 (2563877) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699027)

No, I would agree more on grayscale v. color from the GP. The animated and stand still images are completely 2 different contents. In other words, one is displaying content in a different way compared to the other.

I would suggest another comparison which I think it is more appropriate. The 2DS would be similar to a browser that does NOT support gradient display (which imitate 3D display); whereas, the 3DS could properly display gradient. As a result, the same content is displayed in the same manner, but the visual of 3D is better than 2D in some sense.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698865)

I guess the closest thing would be a browser that only displays in grayscale.

That would be the browser equivalent of the original Gameboy.

The apparent point of the 2DS is to eliminate a flourish that the market may not feel is worth the cost. I don't think that a full color display falls into that category, but maybe you do.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699175)

Again, all 3DS content will be playable on the 2DS. If you want to use the browser analogy, I guess the closest thing would be a browser that only displays in grayscale.

...
Needs more automobiles: It's like trading in your car for the same car, except the fine print lets them poke out an eye -- so you can see easier.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (1)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699257)

No one's forcing you to trade your 3DS in for a 2DS. If you want a car analogy, it's like a car company making a car--in addition to their existing line--that only goes 40mph. Perfectly good for getting you around town, but it'll mean no highways for you.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (4, Insightful)

alen (225700) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698557)

parents like myself don't want my kid playing in 3D so its not a feature loss

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (0)

Mike Buddha (10734) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698595)

Yeah, me too. 3D is the work of the devil.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (0)

ScottCooperDotNet (929575) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698637)

parents like myself don't want my kid playing in 3D so its not a feature loss

Can't tell if you're serious or not, but we live in a 3D reality, are you really worried 3D is going to hurt their vision?

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698659)

It'll give his kid autism, just like those vaccines and the house WiFi router and beverages in aluminum cans, dontchaknow?

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698709)

You're way off, everyone know it's only vaccines that cause autism. The WiFi causes brain cancer, and aluminum cans cause Alzheimer's. 3D games cause epilepsy.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698755)

parents like myself don't want my kid playing in 3D so its not a feature loss

Can't tell if you're serious or not, but we live in a 3D reality, are you really worried 3D is going to hurt their vision?

Yes, there are reports and warnings that forced 3D perspective has negative effects on eye development of young children. While there's also reports to the contrary, it's worth paying attention to (and doesn't appear to be just ignorant fear-mongering):

A report, for example [nbcnews.com]
And a counter report [nbcnews.com]

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44699045)

"it's worth paying attention to (and doesn't appear to be just ignorant fear-mongering)"

I take it you work for NBC?

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44699971)

"it's worth paying attention to (and doesn't appear to be just ignorant fear-mongering)"

I take it you work for NBC?

No, that AC didn't edit the article to make the authors out to be racists.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698907)

There's just a small world of difference between real 3D and the '3D' that a handheld game device can manage. It's not unreasonable to be worried about the long term effects.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44699675)

Real vision is in no way comparable to the 3DS's autostereoscopy. This is like bitching at someone who won't let their kid stare at a lightbulb because 'eyes see light all the time!'

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698681)

Just because you don't use it, doesn't mean it is not a feature loss. Just look at Sony and OtherOS.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698565)

Considering the existing 3DS is capable of playing in 2D, and I believe the majority of people do do it that way (though speculation on my part), that's not really close...at all.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (1)

flimflammer (956759) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699321)

...what? the 3D functionality of the 3DS is not necessary for any game, ever. In fact, many people never touched their 3D slider to begin with.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698457)

I'm with you. The nice thing about Nintendo portables for a long time has been the pocketability (depending on your definition of pocket). But the 2DS looks like a disaster. Squares don't fit in pockets nicely, especially not big squares. The D pad and buttons are halfway up the machine, making the lower touch screen a real PITA to use, especially in combination with the trigger buttons. On top of that, 2DS is a ridiculous name and it made me think I'd transported into April Fools' Day 2014.

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (1)

Applekid (993327) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698813)

On top of that, 2DS is a ridiculous name and it made me think I'd transported into April Fools' Day 2014.

I'll admit I did a calendar check that today wasn't April Fool's day

Re:Nintendo's taking a lot of flak for this... (3, Interesting)

Dogtanian (588974) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699475)

The nice thing about Nintendo portables for a long time has been the pocketability (depending on your definition of pocket). But the 2DS looks like a disaster. Squares don't fit in pockets nicely, especially not big squares.

Well, there is the bulk- to me, there's also the fact that the flat design looks a bit naff aesthetically, but mainly that the inability to angle the second screen *looks* un-ergonomic (whether or not it is).

But regarding those screens and the inability to fold the device, there is a very telling comment after the Ars Technica article (emphasis mine):-

Actually, according to USgamer it is a single screen, masked by the case design:

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/oh-so-t ... -next-move [usgamer.net]

This explains the hingeless design. A single screen is cheaper and more power efficient than two screens with the same area. The case merely makes it look (and function) as if it had 2 screens.

Regarding your other point:-

The D pad and buttons are halfway up the machine, making the lower touch screen a real PITA to use

I agree; I'm no gamer (though I own a DS Lite that I don't use often) and my first thought was that the buttons should have been a *quarter* of the way up (i.e. halfway up the lower screen as they would be on the original DSes and the 3DS).

Less travel-durable (3, Interesting)

SeaFox (739806) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698399)

Besides the larger flat design not being pocketable, the new 2DS is also missing a great feature of the clamshell design from the AdvanceSP, DS, etc... the screen and main control button protection a clamshell design gave you. Unless you were really picky about the outer casing getting any scratches it essentially was it's own protective case. Now we'll have to work about scratched screens again.

Re:Less travel-durable (3, Interesting)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698443)

Depending on how scratch-resistant the new screens are, this might actually be a plus in terms of device longevity. My DS Lite is unplayable now due to a loose connector somewhere in the clamshell hinge that's caused the top screen to white out.

Re:Less travel-durable (5, Insightful)

Somebody Is Using My (985418) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698599)

Furthermore, according to the article, this device is intended for the 4-6 crowd (whereas the 3DS is aimed at the 7 years plus gamers). It's larger shape may make it - somewhat non-intuitively - easier to hold (more area to grip) and the lack of a hinge adds some robustness to the design. The kid won't be carrying it around in their pockets; Mom and Dad will have it in their bag.

I don't know if this is what Nintendo was thinking (or if I would agree with that logic) but it may explain the change.

Plus, the unibody design is probably much cheaper to produce than the hinged clamshell of the original.

Re:Less travel-durable (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698829)

My DS Lite is unplayable now due to a loose connector somewhere in the clamshell hinge that's caused the top screen to white out.

You should get a tri-wing screwdriver and reconnect it. They're really not that complicated on the inside. I've replaced the entire top screen of my DS original before due to my younger cousin stepping on it.

Re:Less travel-durable (1)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699063)

That's actually really good advice. Thanks. It's not like I have much to lose by botching a repair job.

Re:Less travel-durable (4, Informative)

TheSpoom (715771) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699267)

I would check the DS Lite guides at iFixIt [ifixit.com] , they're pretty good. You'd probably want to follow their upper LCD replacement guide [ifixit.com] except you'd just reconnect the one you've already got (hopefully it really is a loose connection and not a dead screen).

Re:Less travel-durable (1)

Seumas (6865) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698517)

Frankly, this wouldn't be an unreasonable product if the audio was stereo instead of mono and the screen was as big as a 3DSXL screen.

Re:Less travel-durable (1)

shigutso (2932389) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698751)

... the screen and main control button protection a clamshell design gave you.

it seems it will come with a protection case. At least is what the kid used to put away his 2DS on Nintendo's video at YouTube.

Re:Less travel-durable (1)

Applekid (993327) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698841)

... the screen and main control button protection a clamshell design gave you.

it seems it will come with a protection case. At least is what the kid used to put away his 2DS on Nintendo's video at YouTube.

Heh, "accessories sold separately" I'd bet.

It's wild that a portable system aimed at the under-7 crowd would intentionally have less protection from scratches. I think Big N is counting on children crying about how scratched up their 2DS is so they can get a second one.

But will the games cost 99 cents? (4, Insightful)

Lester67 (218549) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698401)

That's the battle they have to win now.

Re:But will the games cost 99 cents? (2)

alen (225700) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698575)

yep
told my oldest kid that if he wants some $30 mario game for his he has to finish some online math courses before school starts
so he's now playing on the ipad a lot more than the 3ds and i'm more than willing to buy games for $.99 without a second though

Can you get Pokemon for 99 cents? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698667)

Hey, if your kid can live without those, good for them. That's a YMMV thing.

Also YMMV: do you trust your kid with an expensive smart phone/tablet?

Re:Can you get Pokemon for 99 cents? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44699081)

Hey, if your kid can live without those

Kid?

The number of adults I see playing Pokemon whenever I fly across the country is legion.

Also I really need to stop forgetting to pack my 3DS.

Also I need a 2DS so I can trade Pokemon with myself. MY POKEMANS. LET ME SHOW U THEM.

Re:Can you get Pokemon for 99 cents? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44699473)

What, you mean you don't own both a 3DS and a 3DS XL?

Re:Can you get Pokemon for 99 cents? (1)

Applekid (993327) | 1 year,22 days | (#44700023)

Hey, if your kid can live without those

Kid?

The number of adults I see playing Pokemon whenever I fly across the country is legion.

Also I really need to stop forgetting to pack my 3DS.

Also I need a 2DS so I can trade Pokemon with myself. MY POKEMANS. LET ME SHOW U THEM.

Even if you don't intend to play it, Streetpass makes merely carrying it around useful. :)

Re:But will the games cost 99 cents? (1)

flimflammer (956759) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699443)

Do they, really? Tablet/phone games are rarely anything to write home about unless you like incredibly simplistic games, akin to playing browser games. They will never properly compete with full game releases when actual gamers are concerned. It just won't happen. There will always be a market for those seeking more substance in their games. The fact that they haven't gone belly up despite the iPhone/iPad being out as long as it has is a testament to that. We always hear about how doomed the handheld console market is over phones because of "99 cent games", but it never actually happens.

Re:But will the games cost 99 cents? (1)

Applekid (993327) | 1 year,22 days | (#44700055)

Do they, really? Tablet/phone games are rarely anything to write home about unless you like incredibly simplistic games, akin to playing browser games. They will never properly compete with full game releases when actual gamers are concerned. It just won't happen. There will always be a market for those seeking more substance in their games. The fact that they haven't gone belly up despite the iPhone/iPad being out as long as it has is a testament to that. We always hear about how doomed the handheld console market is over phones because of "99 cent games", but it never actually happens.

The lack of good inputdev is the main thing holding back phone and tablet games. And good controllers and buttons add weight and bulk, so, complete agreement, portable dedicated consoles are here to stay.

At least until telepathic control becomes a thing.

Re:But will the games cost 99 cents? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699841)

Nah, you're behind the times.

The games are free now. It's the Gems that you need to complete the buildings that cost 99c for a collection of 3.

But (1, Offtopic)

RedHackTea (2779623) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698437)

Does it have "Ctrl+Shift+T" to view the last 3DS game you played? A sort of "Ctrl+Z" for the DS?

Re:But (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44699131)

Does it have "Ctrl+Shift+T" to view the last 3DS game you played? A sort of "Ctrl+Z" for the DS?

Only oldfags get that joke, you're posting it in the wrong place.

All I can say is... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698447)

...that is one ugly not-quite-a-tablet they have there.

Re:All I can say is... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698601)

...that is one ugly not-quite-a-tablet they have there.

It'll make a great companion device for one's similarly elegant laptop [toysrus.com] ...

Technically it only has one screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698509)

The reason it doesn't fold up is because there's really only one screen, the plastic bezel on top makes it look like there are two screens. This was probably done to keep the cost low.

How are those controls supposed to work? (1)

jandrese (485) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698531)

So now the touchscreen is way below where the rest of the control area, isn't that going to be awkward for games that combine stylus input with button presses?

In related news (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698555)

Cargo pants are selling quite strongly

Not For This Consumer Whore (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698587)

I definitely consider myself a bit of a consumer whore regarding Nintendo. I've got nearly every iteration of every system, both home console and portable. Of the few I am missing, I would love to pick up some day. But this... I just don't know.

Re:Not For This Consumer Whore (1)

flimflammer (956759) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699465)

There is literally no point if you already have a 3DS.

Oh the form factor!!!!! (1)

rodrigoandrade (713371) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698597)

Did they use left over WiiU tablet cases for that monstrosity??

Re:Oh the form factor!!!!! (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698745)

They should have used the clamshell. The clamshell design is also great for kids carrying them around as it protects the screens.

Re:Oh the form factor!!!!! (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698791)

Yes and yes.

Nintendo need to understand that they aren't selling to the children that use their products, they are selling to the parents that buy them.

Re:Oh the form factor!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44699653)

Nintendo perfectly understands that a number of parents are scared of 3D destroying their children's eyes - whether that's true or not - and is giving them a way to deal with that. I'm going to guess you also haven't seen a child purposefully try to bend the 3DS in half backwards until it breaks just to see if they can. I have. And it does.

Re:Oh the form factor!!!!! (1)

sporkbender (986804) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699673)

the one day I don't have points and I actually want to mod something up. *sigh*

They said it couldn't be done (1)

TheNastyInThePasty (2382648) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698617)

They said we'd never be able to start gaming in 2D, but now we've proven them wrong! Vast R&D budgets were spent developing the technology to convert hum-drum 3D games into exciting and powerful complete 2D gaming experiences! Come get yours for just 4 easy payments of $30!

Terrible form factor (1)

FalleStar (847778) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698631)

I'd gladly have spent an extra $20 on this if they'd stuck with a sane form factor. The pictures of this device look horrible, this is possibly the least convenient design I've seen for a device that claims to be portable.

Re:Terrible form factor (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44700081)

I've got three kids and five nintendo DS's. Yeah, one of the hinges have broken on two of them causing the screen to break eventually.

Re:Terrible form factor (1)

Yosho (135835) | 1 year,22 days | (#44700105)

If the form factor is your primary objection, why not just buy a regular 3DS? It has the added bonus of having stereo audio. (and 3D mode, which you can turn off and never look at again if you don't like it)

Lame (1)

JockTroll (996521) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698673)

What we need is a 0DS. That would make a point.

Almost a good idea (1)

Tridus (79566) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698677)

Lets be honest: 3d is a failure in this space. A huge nummber of 3DS users never turn the 3d on, and for a lot of the market it's not a selling feature. Making a cheaper unit without it is smart, as price is a huge factor in portable gaming sales.

But then they also stripped out a speaker (going to mono instead of stereo) and came up with this really awkward form factor. Why did they do that? This thing is going to be a lot more awkward to carry around because of that.

Re:Almost a good idea (1)

Applekid (993327) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698935)

Lets be honest: 3d is a failure in this space. A huge nummber of 3DS users never turn the 3d on, and for a lot of the market it's not a selling feature. Making a cheaper unit without it is smart, as price is a huge factor in portable gaming sales.

But then they also stripped out a speaker (going to mono instead of stereo) and came up with this really awkward form factor. Why did they do that? This thing is going to be a lot more awkward to carry around because of that.

It's a proper sequel to the ill-fated Game Boy Advance Micro. GBAM removed classic Game Boy / Game Boy Color compatibility, 2DS removes 3D compatibility. Kill compatibility with existing accessories (all GBA and GBASP attachments for the former; circle pad pro, charging dock for the latter).

Re:Almost a good idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698945)

Statistics on how many people turn the depth slider off don't exist, but most people have it turned on. The best I could find is that 28% of people who are vocal about it don't like it. Having some experience with the game industry that probably means that over 95% play with the depth setting on. But again, statistics don't exist.
Also, you may be interested to read this account about the 3DS by a stereoblind person [kotaku.com] .

DS lite XL (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698693)

i still wish they'd make a DSlite XL...play gameboy and DS games on a larger screen. i've thought about buying a replacement DSi XL shell/case and trying to stuff the guts of my DSlite into it. has anyone researched that?

stubborn Nintendo (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698695)

no, the tablets are not our competition, people won't play games on them instead of buying dedicated handheld consoles with ridiculously overpriced games, everything is fine, we can continue charging $15-20 for games delivered electronically...

Plants vs zombies costs $1 for android/iOs, $15 for the 3ds.

Re:stubborn Nintendo (1)

Piata (927858) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698913)

I'd buy a 3DS before I bought a tablet. Mobile games that sell for a dollar or less are downright awful. You're lying to yourself if you think they are in any way comperable to what Nintendo is offering.

No games relying on 3D? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44698893)

My first thought was that this isn't very good idea: it will strongly discourage developers from making games which do interesting things with the 3D effects because they know that some of their audience won't be able to use it. But then I skimmed the Wikipedia articles of the top selling 3DS games looking for examples of interesting uses of 3D and this (from Super Mario 3D Land) is the "best" such feature I found:

While the game is designed to not require the 3D effect, some obstacles or points of interest are deliberately more noticeable or easier when the 3D is switched on.

So the 3D is just a gimmick, a 2D version will be fine.

Re:No games relying on 3D? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699401)

My first thought was that this isn't very good idea: it will strongly discourage developers from making games which do interesting things with the 3D effects because they know that some of their audience won't be able to use it. But then I skimmed the Wikipedia articles of the top selling 3DS games looking for examples of interesting uses of 3D and this (from Super Mario 3D Land) is the "best" such feature I found:

While the game is designed to not require the 3D effect, some obstacles or points of interest are deliberately more noticeable or easier when the 3D is switched on.

So the 3D is just a gimmick, a 2D version will be fine.

Because of the potential for screwing up young kid's eyes, Nintendo has made it a certification requirement for all 3DS games (ever since the 3DS was released) that it be playable in 2D mode. So you can't really hide stuff in 3D that you can't see in 2D because the game will never be approved like that.

It was a huge disappointment when it was revealed, and with reports on whether it will or it won't screw up growing eyes, well, I'm guessing they don't want huge class actions from families with cokebottle glasses years down the line.

So yes, in effect the 3D is just a gimmick. Especially since it's required to be playable in 2D.

2DSXL (1)

WeatherForecast (2641681) | 1 year,22 days | (#44698979)

I'm waiting for the 2DSXL where both screens are the same XL size and they go back to stereo. I don't mind the looks of the flat wedge/cake shape though it does make it permanently larger and exposes the 2 screens to inevitable scratching. I usually buy cases for my gear though.

Re:2DSXL (1)

flimflammer (956759) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699569)

There's no point in waiting for a 2DS XL. You can just get a 3DS XL and turn off the 3D and suddenly you have a 2DS XL with a clamshell design /w stereo sound.

Oh Nintendo, you stupid f******s (0)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699263)

After reading a few reports lately over how Nintendo's handhelds are the only remaining growth market for them, they come out with this.

This pretty much kills Nintendo dead.

This is a company too full of arrogance and pride (but the Japanese call it honor and tradition) to even realize they have now completely fucked up everything that was successful.

Nintendo is now the biggest joke in gaming AND electronics. Pulling a Nintendo should mean that you took something that was successful and followed it up with an epic fail and then pat yourself on the back for the accomplishment.

A acceptable synonym could also be "Pulling a Microsoft"

Re:Oh Nintendo, you stupid f******s (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44699691)

You believe Nintendo releasing a cheaper version of their most successful product targeted at 5-year-olds "kills" them? Sony fanboy much?

Re:Oh Nintendo, you stupid f******s (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44699943)

This is a company too full of arrogance and pride (but the Japanese call it honor and tradition) to even realize they have now completely fucked up everything that was successful.

Nintendo's Wii U console sold only 160,000 units worldwide during the past three months, with the company blaming a lack of first-party releases for the poor performance. [slashdot.org]

Seems to me they are perfectly capable of admitting when they are at fault. Care to try again, troll?

Re:Oh Nintendo, you stupid f******s (2)

Yosho (135835) | 1 year,22 days | (#44700073)

You realize that this is targeted towards young (7 y. o.) kids, right? The kind of kids who are very good at breaking mechanical hinges but don't care if their screens get scuffed up a bit?

The same kind of kinds who are going to be all over the new Pokemon games coming out in a few months?

You don't like the design? That's cool, this doesn't have any features that your existing 3DS doesn't have. Continue on as if nothing as changed.

They haven't "fucked up," they're setting up for every parent of a young child to be buying a new system and game come Black Friday.

no clamshel design? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44699295)

reminds me of the old gameboy Advance. but the old Gameboy Advance didn't have two screens. nice to see that the price is $130. i might buy one.

For self-trading Pokémon? (2)

WilliamBaughman (1312511) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699431)

Is this for all the Pokémon fans who want to run X and Y at the same time? I know I was thinking about buying a second Gameboy for when X and Y hit so I could self-trade and "catch them all". Then again, Nintendo could be trying to compete with smartphone gaming.

Pokemon (1)

Princeofcups (150855) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699485)

It's a cheap second machine for anyone who plans to play the new Pokemon games. You need one to play, and one to trade, in order to get the interesting evolutions and version exclusives. It works like this. You play A all the way through. Then you play B, trade over the pokemon from A, get version exclusives, and breed. Then you play A one more time, trading all the eggs/babies over for a great starter set. Yes, the Pokemon franchise forces you to own two machines.

Re:Pokemon (1)

Applekid (993327) | 1 year,22 days | (#44700163)

It's a cheap second machine for anyone who plans to play the new Pokemon games. You need one to play, and one to trade, in order to get the interesting evolutions and version exclusives. It works like this. You play A all the way through. Then you play B, trade over the pokemon from A, get version exclusives, and breed. Then you play A one more time, trading all the eggs/babies over for a great starter set. Yes, the Pokemon franchise forces you to own two machines.

Or you can just enjoy the game on one machine, with one Pokemon title. Come across someone with the alternate game and can make a trade or two? Great! Filling up the Pokedex completely isn't fun at all, it's more of a chore than grinding in a JRPG.

I have never "caught 'em all" ever, and I don't feel like I've had a diminished game experience in any way whatsoever. It's actually quite liberating.

The most important question (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#44699489)

Can you buy R4 style cartridges for this thing?I would not be suprised if a very large % of DS sales was because it was very easy to download and play pirated software. Maybe that's why 3rd parties are so pissed off at Nintendo but I doubt they cared because DS / 3DS handhelds can't have been sold at a loss considering how crap the hardware is.

Next up (2)

iamacat (583406) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699803)

Toyota Prius non-hybrid edition
Desktop iPad
Non-instant polaroid camera
And, of course, slashdot for non-technical readers

Why kill the only unique feature of your product and name the new one for what it's lacking. If it was a radically different name, design and form factor, it could have had a chance.

With free tablet games, DS's are about finished (1)

bobjr94 (1120555) | 1 year,22 days | (#44699825)

Bad moves all the way around. Our kids have a 3ds and ds that has not been used in months or a year even. They get all the games they need for free to 2.99 on their tablets & ipods or are happy playing some game on their laptop. Spending 29.99 on a game they may play for 20 minutes is a waste of money. Next the original ds design was very durable, could take some drops, could be sat on or stuffed in a bag. This design will lead to lots of broken screens and buttons. They should have just designed the 3ds games to be playable on a ds to start with, they did the forced upgrade to play the new games trick. And the 3DS was a bad idea to begin with, I always keep the 3d off or my head hurts, never seen the kids using 3d, nintendo even says eye damage may occur if young kids play in 3d mode.

This is a first step toward a Nintendo Tablet (1)

default luser (529332) | 1 year,22 days | (#44700051)

According to this article [usgamer.net] , the cost reduction also comes from using one screen to represent the old dual-screen setup. Since both screens have the same PPI of 132, it's relatively feasible.

I have a feeling that Nintendo will release a brand-new tablet form-factor based on this very device. The single screen driving this probably has a resolution of about 400x500, so quadrupling the resolution (264ppi) will make it competitive with other devices, AND make it incredibly easy to support 3DS backward-compatibility (just draw a black overlay on the screen to separate things). This allows them to transition to the more popular single-screen "tablet with controls" form-factor with the least amount of pain.

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