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Elop Favored By Gamblers As Microsoft's Next Chief Executive

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the smart-money dept.

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PolygamousRanchKid writes "A gambling website's favorite as Microsoft Corp.'s next chief executive officer is Stephen Elop, the Nokia CEO who has presided over a 62 percent decline in market value. Elop, a former Microsoft executive, has 5-to-1 odds to be hired as Steve Ballmer's replacement, according to Ladbrokes, the U.K.-based gambling operator. He leads a pool including internal candidates Kevin Turner and Julie Larson-Green and outsiders like Apple CEO Tim Cook — a 100-to-1 dark horse."

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Name game (3, Funny)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year ago | (#44705203)

Sounds like a publicity stunt to me. It's close enough to Elon Musk that they can cash in on some of the buzz around 'hyperloop' and "isn't he the Tesla guy?" and "doesn't he build rockets?" to make them sound new and edgy and relevant.

Re:Name game (3, Funny)

synapse7 (1075571) | about a year ago | (#44705275)

Elop sounds too close to "Flop", if we're only considering by name.

Re:Name game (2)

bobstreo (1320787) | about a year ago | (#44705301)

Elop sounds too close to "Flop", if we're only considering by name.

More interesting, backwards it's Pole

Re:Name game (2)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | about a year ago | (#44705787)

Elop sounds too close to "Flop", if we're only considering by name.

More interesting, backwards it's Pole

Did he used to do film work in the San Fernando Valley? I think I recall the name, "Backward Pole" in some credits... but it might have been "BackDoor Pole" instead,,,

Re:Name game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705793)

Elop sounds too close to "Flop", if we're only considering by name.

Hasn't MS had enough flops? Zune, Windows Phone, Vista, Windows 8, Bob, Clippy, Ballmer...

Re:Name game (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about a year ago | (#44705811)

Every time I hear the name "Elop", it makes me think of QWOP [foddy.net] .

Re:Name game (5, Funny)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | about a year ago | (#44705285)

Elon Musk

Every time I see his name, I think what a cool name for mens cologne.

Re:Name game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44706001)

His name makes me think of a gland [wikipedia.org] on an antelope's [wikipedia.org] anus. I'll give the cologne a miss.

Re:Name game (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year ago | (#44705325)

I misread the other candidate, Julie Larson-Green, as Julie Green Lantern. I think that would be an even better publicity generating name.

Re:Name game (1)

Teresita (982888) | about a year ago | (#44705667)

I misread the other candidate, Julie Larson-Green, as Julie Green Lantern. I think that would be an even better publicity generating name.

Microsoft would win a ribbon for that pick.

Re:Name game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44706073)

Julie Larson-Green looks like she went through a botched Botox treatment.

Re:Name game (0)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#44706351)

Julie Larson-Green looks like she went through a botched Botox treatment.

And this is relevant to this discussion how, exactly?

Re:Name game (5, Interesting)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year ago | (#44705373)

How are CEOs judged. Honestly.. I don't know. It seems to an outsider like me that names come up again and again even after they slam corporations to the ground.

Carly Fiorina came up as a candidate. Why? Everything she touches turns to shit and H.P. barely survived her.

There is a cult of personality around these people that need to be broken up.

Re:Name game (4, Informative)

bondsbw (888959) | about a year ago | (#44705809)

Shareholders judge CEOs according to how stock prices have moved and how dividends have been released. These are usually the guys you have to please, over the term of a couple of years, to keep your job.

An objective observer would more likely judge a CEO by the stability and growth of the company over the course of half a decade or more. It's not always about the money. Some great private company owners don't care much about bringing in a corporate profit, but rather they just like what they're doing and want to pay their employees and the bills. (But of course, once you hold a majority share in a company that is worth billions of dollars, it becomes VERY hard to resist an IPO.)

There's also a big difference between a startup that is still on its way up vs. an established company. A company with its roots firmly planted, in my opinion, should value a CEO with the ability to continue pushing the company forward when market conditions provide overbearing competition and when economic times do not play well to the good or service being provided. Sometimes this means reducing cash in the bank and moving fiercely into related markets that are on the upswing.

Re:Name game (0)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year ago | (#44705953)

This is the boilerplate explanation, but it's not real world. This isn't what happens.

First of all, the idea that "things are done for the shareholders" doesn't hold water. Most of the shares are usually in within the board and the management anyway.

Second, even if you accept the "for the shareholders" fallacy the actions don't match up with what you are saying. It seems so much more at a guttural, tribal level.

Also, if we are talking about Carly F., she has never been at a "startup".

Really... we need to get beyond B.S. explanations like this. Corporatists keep arguing it is a rational system and this only seems to be partially true.

Re:Name game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44706057)

This is the boilerplate explanation, but it's not real world. This isn't what happens.

First of all, the idea that "things are done for the shareholders" doesn't hold water. Most of the shares are usually in within the board and the management anyway.

Second, even if you accept the "for the shareholders" fallacy the actions don't match up with what you are saying. It seems so much more at a guttural, tribal level.

Also, if we are talking about Carly F., she has never been at a "startup".

Really... we need to get beyond B.S. explanations like this. Corporatists keep arguing it is a rational system and this only seems to be partially true.

The term "shareholder" applies to institutional shareholders as well as the schmuck who owns 100 shares of MSFT. To paraphrase "1984," some shareholders are more equal than others.

It doesn't matter much who runs MSFT at this point because its still a strong company. People who want to be CEO of large companies realize that these companies are like big ships and take a long time to turn around (or sink). The infrastructure for running MSFT won't change much with a new CEO. Sure them might get rid of the rank think (not Windows), but a CEO of a large company like MSFT is just the head cheerleader. MSFT more than likely can run itself withthe current infrastructure for several years no matter who the CEO is (it's been doing a great job running itself despite Ballmer). A smart person would realize that there are still many good years at MSFT and that one could f*ck up and MSFT would still be sound. That's Carly F territory.

Re:Name game (1)

whoever57 (658626) | about a year ago | (#44706401)

First of all, the idea that "things are done for the shareholders" doesn't hold water. Most of the shares are usually in within the board and the management anyway.

Actually, this is where the current company governance rules are a scandal. In most companies, the board and CEO own a tiny slice of the company, yet the shareholders have little say about critical issues.

Re:Name game (5, Interesting)

rtb61 (674572) | about a year ago | (#44706037)

A company that is stagnating basically needs to start a square 1 and re inject that creativity. It was always said that Paul Allen would have taken M$ in other directions to Bill Gates and Paul Allen was the real creative person behind M$, just got squeezed out by the hostility of Ballmer and Gates combined. So get Paul back in to set new directions for the two parts of the company M$ Office/Windows and MSN/gaming. They can leave Ballmer at M$ Office/Windows to squeeze the life out of it.

Re:Name game (3, Insightful)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about a year ago | (#44705839)

That is the beauty of getting into the CEO club. The boards of directors of all the other big companies are made up of C level executives, so once someone is in the club they can all vote for each other and guarantee themselves a giant paycheck. Even if they completely run a company into the dirt, they are guaranteed that their buddies in the C-Club will take care of them at their next position; because they will do the same on the boards they serve on.

Re:Name game (2)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#44706085)

Laziness and cowardice. People don't want to have to try to assess how good a person is at making informed decisions, so instead they look at whether they've already done a similar job. Doesn't seem to matter whether they were awesome or sucked donkey balls at it. On top of that, they only get dinged for picking a bad CEO, they personally don't get much for picking a stellar CEO, or at least they're not looking that far in advance.

It's not limited to the top position either, it's everywhere. This is why entry-level jobs suck so bad, and every job worth having requires experience. HR wants to cover its ass. If they hire a kid fresh out of college who is amazing, the kid gets the credit. If the kid is terrible, HR is afraid they'll be asked "Why would you hire someone with no experience!" and it's on them.

As to the senate race, she was able to buy her way in at the top level. And something similar is at work with voters anyway. The vast majority of voters don't even PRETEND to look into the quality of a politician, they vote for names they remember. Have you ever tried researching candidates in anything besides big elections? All that comes up with a google search for candidates names in most elections is polling data. It's damn near impossible to find anything of substance, let alone how good a decisionmaker that candidate is going to be.

So it's because it's difficult to figure out who has a good head on their shoulders and who is simply good at schmoozing, and because usually they're only looking to avoid a BAD choice, not necessarily pick a good choice.

Re:Name game (2)

microTodd (240390) | about a year ago | (#44706263)

Heh, mentioning Carly gave me a depressing yet fascinating train of thought.

The cynic in me says....put her in. Watch MS stock decline. Buy. Force her out. Stock jumps 20%. Sell. You just made eleventy billion dollars

If you're a wall street power exec with influence of the MS board....its brilliant

Re:Name game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705547)

Just to be quite sure -everyone knows how a sportsbook prices up a specials market like this? ONE MAN sits in a room and thinks them up. This means nothing, nada, zilch. There will be no liquidity in the market and you will only be able to place a very small bet - both signs of a bona fide PR exercise which seems to have worked on all too many numbnuts in the press

So he can take Microsoft into Nokia market share. (1)

manplusdog (145050) | about a year ago | (#44705209)

He is like Mr 4%, honestly, Steve is a huge improvement on him!

Re:So he can take Microsoft into Nokia market shar (-1, Flamebait)

SpaceMonkies (2868125) | about a year ago | (#44705261)

"From January 2008 to September 2010, Elop worked for Microsoft as the head of the Business Division, responsible for the Microsoft Office and Microsoft Dynamics line of products, and as a member of the company's senior leadership team. It was during this time that Microsoft's Business Division released Office 2010.
In September 2010, it was announced that Elop would take Nokia's CEO position, replacing Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo, and becoming the first non-Finnish director in Nokia's history. On March 11, 2011 Nokia announced that it had paid Elop a $6 million signing bonus, “compensation for lost income from his prior employer," on top of his $1.4 million annual salary."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop [wikipedia.org]

I think he will do just fine leading Microsoft!

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The Two Steves (1, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44705291)

He is like Mr 4%, honestly, Steve is a huge improvement on him!

Windows Phone may never hit 4%, and they are both called Steve.

Yes, pretty please (5, Funny)

Kjella (173770) | about a year ago | (#44705213)

An expert in tanking companies at the helm of Microsoft? I can't wait.

Re:Yes, pretty please (4, Funny)

Cid Highwind (9258) | about a year ago | (#44705405)

The only thing that would make it better is if he were to bring in some superstars like Carly Fiorina and every Yahoo CEO from Jerry Yang onward to fill out the executive team...

Re:Yes, pretty please (3, Interesting)

richlv (778496) | about a year ago | (#44705441)

if elop goes, does nokia hire back whole jolla team and we get great phones with open os finally ?

Re:Yes, pretty please (4, Interesting)

CRCulver (715279) | about a year ago | (#44705611)

we get great phones with open os finally ?

Jolla won't be an open OS. The UI layer they've made for Sailfish is closed source.

I used to be enthusiastic about Jolla, but it seems that Ubuntu Phone has stolen much of its thunder, and among the idealistic users who want everything to be open the Neo-900 project is gaining buzz.

Re:Yes, pretty please (0)

Trailer Trash (60756) | about a year ago | (#44705559)

An expert in tanking companies at the helm of Microsoft? I can't wait.

Why wait? Enjoy Ballmer while he's still there!

Re:Yes, pretty please (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44706107)

I just love you wanna-bes who need to others to fail to feel good about yourselves. My thoughts are that if the open source and Apple fanbois paid more attention to their supposedly superior technologies and cultures that we'd have a real bump in future technologies today. But no, instead we have know-nothings who consider themselves tech gurus for being able to root/jailbreak a phone and how get their self-esteem from what technology they use instead of what they use that technology for.
 
The human factor has been eliminated from the equation and what we're left with is a battle royal of cheerleaders trying to downplay any other technology instead of elevating their own. Einstein once said that "I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction." That day is on us and you're a symptom of the society that Einstein feared. You are part of the problem.

Tim Cook? (-1, Troll)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year ago | (#44705217)

Because he would love to give up on a company he helped run for many many years and is now the boss of the most valuable company in the world, running the way he wants it to run, to go run a dysfunctional company...?

Re:Tim Cook? (2)

oodaloop (1229816) | about a year ago | (#44705263)

Reading is hard. It does say "100-to-1 dark horse" in TFS.

Re:Tim Cook? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705307)

which are laughably high odds. More like a million to one. Seriously, under what circumstances could you imagine Tim Cook, CEO of possibly the worlds most profitable and well loved company accepting a job offer to be CEO of a smaller, shittier company that everyone hates and represents everything that Apple hates about technology? Maybe if he was fired from Apple in the next year for doing something horrible but Microsoft was still desperate enough to want to hire him.

Re:Tim Cook? (2)

Stuarticus (1205322) | about a year ago | (#44705355)

I don't think you understand how gambling works, but knowing this, I'll happily offer you your requested million to one odds with a minimum bet of $1000. Good luck!

Re:Tim Cook? (1)

Paradise Pete (33184) | about a year ago | (#44705457)

More like a million to one. Seriously, under what circumstances could you imagine Tim Cook

Well if he could get down enough action at a million to 1 he might call them up himself. That'd be one circumstance.

Re:Tim Cook? (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year ago | (#44705871)

Statistics and logic is hard it appears.

Re:Tim Cook? (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about a year ago | (#44705287)

Maybe he'd like a challenge? Maybe he's tired of everyone comparing him to Jobs and knows that being compared to Ballmer couldn't possibly be worse. Or maybe there's a reason why there are 100:1 odds against him...

Re:Tim Cook? (1)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#44705345)

Apple has lost half it's value since Tim Cook took over, it's since regained some now that the sharks (Icahn) are circling the pool waiting to see if they can profit off the decline. It's also seen two quarters with a decline in profits under him also.

In this respect he's actually damaged Apple far quicker and far more severely than Ballmer managed to damage Microsoft when he took over.

But despite this I'd argue Cook would actually be better suited to Microsoft. Apple sells cutting edge innovative products and Cook just isn't an innovator or a visionary which is why Apple has been beginning to suffer. Microsoft tends not to innovate so much and focuses on optimisation of profits in it's existing markets which is what Cook is actually good at - he did in Apple as the supply chain guy finding the cheapest suppliers etc. but has struggled as CEO.

Cook was never going to be able to follow in Jobs' footsteps but the way he's going he's at risk of taking Ballmer's crown as worst CEO if he hangs around in the role for 10 years like Ballmer. If he jumped to Microsoft he could probably do a bit better than Ballmer. I doubt it'll happen, there's too much money for him at Apple, but if reputation is what he cares about then he'd probably actually be better off leaving Apple and going to Microsoft.

Or to put it another way, Cook is Apple's Ballmer, but Apple's Ballmer is still at least likely able to do better than Microsoft's Ballmer at being Ballmer.

Re: Tim Cook? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705427)

Nonsense. Apple did NOT lost half its value under Cook. The peak share price of 702 bucks was archived under Cook himself. Effectively the market value is MUCH higher than under Jobs. Just take a look at the AAPL stockprice of the last 5years.

Re:Tim Cook? (2)

Paradise Pete (33184) | about a year ago | (#44705479)

Apple has lost half it's value since Tim Cook took over

Completely wrong. Apple is worth much more than it was when he took over.

Re:Tim Cook? (1)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#44705619)

But most of that can be attributed to the lag effect. The point is simply that Cook hasn't sustained, or even managed to come close to holding it even close to that peak.

Ultimately under Jobs it was on an upwards trend, and whilst no one expected Cook to be able to keep up the pace (no one could) one would at least expect him not to oversee a 50% decline from that peak.

Or in other words Cook could've simply not turned up to work after Job's resignation and it'd still have had the momentum from Jobs - it wouldn't have declined overnight, it takes time.

But if Cook was doing a good job then it would've kept increasing, or plateaued or declined slightly. It didn't do any of those though, it went into freefall under him.

Re:Tim Cook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44706177)

Apply a useful metric to your assumptions or it's all just buzzwords. I don't see anything you've said that can apply to anything in the real world. Jobs, Gates and Torvalds aren't magic men. Technology can grow and be innovative without them at the helm. You're trying to propagate a myth that just doesn't hold any water.

Re:Tim Cook? (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year ago | (#44705877)

iHaters do not need logic, please.

Re:Tim Cook? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705493)

You are a colossal moron (and I've seen enough of your posting history to know this is not limited to this post).

You do know that the company with the most valuable stock in the world has seen its stock decline significantly several times in the past. Berkshire Hathaway. Look it up. Heck, Warren Buffet (BH's CEO) was noted for telling Steve Jobs not to worry about the stock price - release great products that the market wants and the stock price would take care of itself even if it periodically freaked out. And given BH's history and current stock price and Warren Buffet's net worth, he probably knows more about things than you do.

Apple's stock price decline is a temporary blip. You are a moron.

Re:Tim Cook? (4, Insightful)

gtall (79522) | about a year ago | (#44705501)

Stock price doesn't mean diddley squat. GE is immense and their stock price isn't great but they do very well in their markets.

And this visionary thing is overrated, Apple isn't going to produce a groundbreaking device in a new market for them every three years. No company can does that.

Re:Tim Cook? (-1, Troll)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about a year ago | (#44705959)

Stock price doesn't mean diddley squat....

And this visionary thing is overrated...

sigh, another Microsoft apologist posting to slashdot ... :-)

Re:Tim Cook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705737)

Apple sells cutting edge innovative products

That has not been true for almost ten years.

Re:Tim Cook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705785)

Most what?! It's not the most valuable stock value wise (not anymore), neither it is revenue wise nor business volume wise. Dunno where people are still getting the "most valuable company in the world" nowadays. Apple just got a taste of that position for a short period of time, and only stock value wise, and then the market corrected itself.

Re:Tim Cook? (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year ago | (#44705915)

You might want to keep up with the news... You really don't want to be a stale iHater. Makes you look more stupid(er).

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/08/03/apple-is-once-again-the-worlds-most-valuable-compa.aspx [fool.com]

iLover vs iHaters (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44706305)

You might want to keep up with the news... You really don't want to be a stale iHater.

The rise in stock price is though a buy back of its own shares, and if you bought shares on the low side you made a good chunk of change. Whatever you think of that. Its not the same as from new technology or even better current technology, or even buying it. The lack of these things causing the drop in the first place. Its just share price manipulation, not innovation; not new products; not sales

The bottom line is we are waiting on September the 10th, and then only to find out the price of the cheap iphone

Fine with me (0)

gagol (583737) | about a year ago | (#44705229)

Elop would work for me as MS ceo. But then I hate Microsoft's guts... the world is getting weirder and weirder all the time. My bet is on entropy at wok.

Re:Fine with me (1, Funny)

gtall (79522) | about a year ago | (#44705505)

Hear, hear!! If Elop could to do MS what he's done to Nokia, I'd be a happy camper.

The Murderer of Meego/Maemo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705237)

Here is hoping the next CEO hires the Jolla and Neo900(N900 based GTA04 mod OpenMoko upgrade system board) team and they get back to making amazing hardware with a great OS.
Then I wake up...

Microsoft CEO not Nokia (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44705381)

Here is hoping the next CEO hires the Jolla and Neo900(N900 based GTA04 mod OpenMoko upgrade system board) team and they get back to making amazing hardware with a great OS.
Then I wake up...

This is about replacing the Microsoft CEO not Nokia CEO. As much as we talk about smartphones here Elops most criminal cut was Meltemi a featurephone OS aimed at low hardware.

Re:Microsoft CEO not Nokia (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | about a year ago | (#44705965)

Here is hoping the next CEO hires the Jolla and Neo900(N900 based GTA04 mod OpenMoko upgrade system board) team and they get back to making amazing hardware with a great OS. Then I wake up...

This is about replacing the Microsoft CEO not Nokia CEO. As much as we talk about smartphones here Elops most criminal cut was Meltemi a featurephone OS aimed at low hardware.

If Elop does move back to Microsoft, Nokia would then need a replacement CEO, no?

Re:The Murderer of Meego/Maemo! (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#44705447)

This could bring them back from the grave, specially if whoever replaces him on nokia take a hint and dumps windows as phone OS, their main alternatives would be android or, well, back to meego or one of its childrens (sailfish, tizen, etc).

And that could be the final nail on the coffin of Windows 8, and with Elop as CEO could play again the burning platform game and be the end of Windows.

Interesting Choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705239)

Nokia's shares have more than halved since he took over in 2010, I don't know if his choice of Windows Phone has impacted Nokia's performance but his chances at Microsoft increased as a result.

Nokia Cheaper to buy. (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44705321)

Nokia's shares have more than halved since he took over in 2010

If the rumours of The two Steves colluding to sell Nokia to Microsoft are true (Elop did his Job well. In fact too well as its so bad not even Microsoft want to buy it).

They also did some other stuff as well. They did some patent deals. It is suspected to make it useless to anyone else, and have formed a patent troll company together, a little like the ones Apple and Microsoft have.

no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705245)

QWOP seems to be a better choice than Elop.

Re:no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705293)

I always favored qaop, meself.

Wouldn't it be funny (1)

korbulon (2792438) | about a year ago | (#44705247)

If they tried to hire him but he couldn't get a H1B1 visa?

Re:Wouldn't it be funny (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705341)

H-1B1 only applies to Chilean and Singaporean nationals. Since he's Canadian, they can just list him as "computer analyst" and he can work in the US under TN status for a period of 1 year, renewable indefinitely.

The tradition will be carried on... (0)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year ago | (#44705267)

The tradition of having an incompetent idiot for CEO since Gates left the position (he was evil, but not stupid).

No need to worry about Microsoft recovering, they're doomed. Long live Elop!

Obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705283)

He did such a bang up job at Nokia, now back to MS and destroy them as well...

Steve Wozniak (2)

ZeroSerenity (923363) | about a year ago | (#44705317)

I put my money on that one just to screw with people's heads.

Re:Steve Wozniak (2)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year ago | (#44705347)

I think that would be the equivalent of taking a 18 wheeler going at 80mph and slamming it into reverse.

Face it, Steve's vision of what technology should be isn't even compatible with ANYONE at Apple anymore.

Re:Steve Wozniak (1)

the_other_chewey (1119125) | about a year ago | (#44705617)

Good thing we're not talking about Apple here then...

Burning Platforms v2? (5, Funny)

Tridus (79566) | about a year ago | (#44705335)

I can picture it now...

Elop gets in. He sits down, and writes a memo about how the company is sitting on a burning platform and needs to change or die. He'll then adopt a bold strategy of switching the entire company over to... what? QNX maybe?

Considering his track record, I find it hard to believe anybody thinks this is a good idea.

Re:Burning Platforms v2? (2)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#44705417)

Nah, he's going to get booted and he successor will ditch Windows Phone.

Then he'll end up back at the mothership in Redmond as some other type of executive. Given how badly he's hurt Nokia, I wonder if the Microsoft board would really let him be CEO. They can afford someone good, why the hell would they choose Elop?

Golden Handcuffs (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44706087)

Nah, he's going to get booted and he successor will ditch Windows Phone.

I doubt it, ignoring that it is good way to piss of its current customers...again. Microsoft has a deal in place that we can only assume is very pro-Microsoft, at the cost of a few billion to Microsoft. I would be astonished if Nokia don't have to give the money back, or at least pay an excessive termination fee. It also took Nokia ten months from announcement to its first Lumia phones, and that was before all the massive cuts. That is also ignoring all the nasty little patent dealings including setting up a troll company with Microsoft. That is ignoring all the people Elop has brought to Nokia from Microsoft. Nobody knows how much damage Elop has actually caused, but untangling themselves from Microsoft looks impossible. The fact that he has not been shown the door says everything.

Re:Burning Platforms v2? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705943)

In fairness, they are sitting on a burning platform this time.
Unlike Symbian, the Microsoft Surface isn't still making a profit.

Kevin Turner = massive exodus (3, Interesting)

charnov (183495) | about a year ago | (#44705365)

Kevin Turner, Lisa Brummel, and Amy Hood are all despised within Microsoft... they are Ballmer yes-people and Lisa Brummel is directly responsible for destroying any shred of productive culture there. They all need to go.

The employees want Satya Nadella or maybe Tony Bates... although many say it has to come from the outside... Sinofsky ;-)

http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2013/08/steve-ballmer-is-going-to-frickin.html [blogspot.com]

Re:Kevin Turner = massive exodus (4, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44705423)

What the employees want does not matter even a little.

The current management put Ballmer in charge, they are going to select another Ballmer not someone who will change their culture.

Re:Kevin Turner = massive exodus (1)

Lifyre (960576) | about a year ago | (#44705449)

Don't count on it. I think they're seeing a massive cultural problem that is finally starting to hurt the bottom line and they want to do something about it. I don't know if they go the direction the employees want but I think they'll go a non Ballmer direction.

Re:Kevin Turner = massive exodus (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44705571)

I respectfully disagree. Ballmer represents their own culture, any change would be admitting they were wrong. I fully expect MS to shrink over the next several decades because of this. I can't think of any companies that have ever survived and recovered from that kind of MBA infection.

Re: Kevin Turner = massive exodus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705545)

I guess you think employees are little more than slaves chained to their workplace and they should shut up or get a date with the bull whip.

Re: Kevin Turner = massive exodus (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44705563)

Not at all, but I don't run Microsoft. Those kinds of folks sure as hell do. They practically invented perma-temp.

Re:Kevin Turner = massive exodus (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#44706283)

The current management put Ballmer in charge, they are going to select another Ballmer not someone who will change their culture.

If that was the case, why would Ballmer be leaving? I don't think that he is doing what he is doing badly, the problem is that he is doing the wrong things. Replacing him with someone who does the same things, maybe slightly better or slightly worse, isn't going to help one bit.

Probably not (4, Insightful)

tbannist (230135) | about a year ago | (#44705369)

Maybe Nokia was always supposed to be Elop's training company? You know, a company he can try stuff at and drive it into the ground before he gets his hands on the real thing? Maybe he was even supposed to run it into the ground the ground, kind of like Brewster's Millions but with a company?

Re:Probably not (2)

Paradise Pete (33184) | about a year ago | (#44705511)

Maybe Nokia was always supposed to be Elop's training company?

No, coming back as Microsoft CEO was the deal he was given when he was sent to Nokia to destroy all its value.

Re:Probably not (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#44706123)

No, coming back as Microsoft CEO was the deal he was given when he was sent to Nokia to destroy all its value.

This seems likely; I was on record here saying to expect an acquisition, or at least an IP buy-out, after it had its value devastated - but I still haven't seen what Microsoft could do differently than Nokia is doing to actually succeed with a Windows phone.

Whoever takes over will have a hard time (5, Interesting)

MikeRT (947531) | about a year ago | (#44705379)

Ballmer left the company in shambles in terms of their standing and momentum in the industry. Whoever takes over is going to have to be very aggressive and will probably run head long into antitrust issues if they are too serious about rebuilding Microsoft's standing and momentum. What Microsoft needs at this point:

1. Release Windows 8.2 with the start menu fully restored, Metro apps able to run on the desktop mode and Metro only a primary UI option on touch screen PCs unless the user configures otherwise (either way should still be an option).
2. Release Windows RT 2 tablet in $200 and $300 32gb and 64gb options with full Microsoft Office. Microsoft needs to just flood the market with low cost, Kindle-like Windows tablets that'll run any traditional Windows app recompiled for ARM (another restriction that needs to go from Windows 8).
3. Attack the living room not just with the XBox One, but alternatives to protocols like AirPlay that are open, documented and patent-free for other vendors to implement. Microsoft can isolate Apple even more by returning to its roots of being of one of the most open big vendors in the industry.

Re:Whoever takes over will have a hard time (1)

Tridus (79566) | about a year ago | (#44705583)

They should do #1 anyway. Stardock already figured out how to run Metro apps on the desktop, and having that option would dramatically help adoption in corporate settings.

In fact they should do #2 as well. The RT simply doesn't have the hardware specs or market clout to compete at the same price as the iPad.

Re:Whoever takes over will have a hard time (2)

Teresita (982888) | about a year ago | (#44705757)

They should do #1 anyway. Stardock already figured out how to run Metro apps on the desktop, and having that option would dramatically help adoption in corporate settings.

What galls people is they have to add aftermarket software just to make the Win8 UI acceptable. It's like getting a brand new car, and having to take it to a garage so they can make the left pedal work as the brake and the right pedal work as the accelerator again.

Re:Whoever takes over will have a hard time (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#44706255)

But you only need one pedal. you are not driving it right.

Re:Whoever takes over will have a hard time (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year ago | (#44705605)

"alternatives to protocols like AirPlay that are open, documented and patent-free for"...

Sorry, I know this is forthright, but this makes me giggle. This is asking much more than the simple sentence here indicates. This is a difference in corporate culture. Culture is the most difficult thing to change in every organization.

Not that I don't agree with you...

Too Many Problems (5, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44705743)

1. Release Windows 8.2 with the start menu fully restored, Metro apps able to run on the desktop mode and Metro only a primary UI option on touch screen PCs unless the user configures otherwise (either way should still be an option).
2. Release Windows RT 2 tablet in $200 and $300 32gb and 64gb options with full Microsoft Office. Microsoft needs to just flood the market with low cost, Kindle-like Windows tablets that'll run any traditional Windows app recompiled for ARM (another restriction that needs to go from Windows 8).
3. Attack the living room not just with the XBox One, but alternatives to protocols like AirPlay that are open, documented and patent-free for other vendors to implement. Microsoft can isolate Apple even more by returning to its roots of being of one of the most open big vendors in the industry.

I love quick fixes. The problem with Microsoft is the the company. We are asking why an army of clever; highly qualified and paid individuals could release so many failures...obvious failures before release.

Lets look at your fixes(Lipstick on a Pig) you address the unpopular Metro Interface failure, by having it there as a kludge; It was never about a start menu it was about creating an ecosystem with a consistent interface so they could force themselves into the mobile market(They use the word "ecosystem"), and cash in on the lockdown (store and hardware) to Microsoft product and services. The answer wasn't to use the advantages over mobile (10x power and screen real estate, good input, massive storage) they simply dumbed down a computer to a poor tablet. How about Microsoft accept its in competition and compete by producing the Best Desktop ever.

Then you bring up cost. Microsoft walk around with 70% gross margins while its partners do with 10%-20%, and not only is office unwanted they also charge for that too. Traditional Windows Apps do not work on a tablet. No wonder the devices are considered overprices and its partners are turning away. How about Microsoft change their business stratergy?

Bill Gates might have got into the living room with the console, but seriously its a $500, £430 in the UK and 500 Euros console (ignoring its anti-gamer launch) it is going against a $35 Device Chromecast. that already has an alternative to Airplay and works for iOS and Android. How about Microsoft stop selling hardware but sell software...hold on did Andriod just get another 6 Consoles.

The bottom line is a few quick fixes...and these aren't are not going to fix the problem.

Re:Whoever takes over will have a hard time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705789)

What Microsoft needs at this point:

Problem solved!

Re:Whoever takes over will have a hard time (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | about a year ago | (#44705929)

I'd add a 0. to this list:

0. Listen to your fucking customers.

If they'd just keep this in mind, the rest of the list (and much more) falls in place naturally.

Re:Whoever takes over will have a hard time (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#44706249)

HuH?

1 - refund everyone's money that bought Windows 8 and reinstate work on Windows 7 updates and bugfixes. Start working on windows 9 with business use in mind first and foremost.

2 - when it's ready for testing, get COMPANIES with REAL USERS to test it and submit useability reports and feedback.

3 - LISTEN TO AND ACT ON THAT FEEDBACK.

4 - profit.

google's $150M employee Neal Mohan is my best bet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705461)

I don't think should accept the job though.

Don't think so (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705567)

Elop is more valuable to Microsoft at Nokia. The credibility of Microsoft's mobile strategy hinges on Nokia's WP8 commitment. Nokia might abandon the WP8-only strategy under a different CEO.

Bookmakers, not gamblers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705637)

Ladbroke's is a bookmaker's website, not a gamblers' site. The 5-1 odds here are a decision by a bookmaker. So the headline should read "Elop Favored By Bookmakers As Microsoft's Next Chief Executive".

Though on the other hand...

hah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44705849)

1. Completely ruin the most successful (at the time you were hired) smartphone company in the world.
2. Get a new job.

Seriously, how can anyone consider Elop to be a competent leader?

No start button ? No Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44706081)

Unless those clowns restore a fully functional start menu and get rid of that Metro crap on the desktop there isn't going to be a Microsoft for much longer.

Which part of nobody wants this shit on a desktop computer do they not understand ?

Just saying.

The need someone who innovates less! (3, Insightful)

bryanbrunton (262081) | about a year ago | (#44706101)

Let's face it, Microsoft has recently seen a huge amount of innovation.

  - a completely new UI for Windows
  - gambling a couple billion dollars on Windows RT
  - locking down the XBox with draconian DRM

These were HUGE gambles, Ballmer had HUGE stones. They were really betting the company on this dynamic new strategic path.

It just so happens that this is innovation that really fscking sucked. They need a CEO who recognizes that Microsoft cannot innovate. It is not something that the company does well.

Microsoft's board can not be that stupid. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#44706161)

Elop is a moron. Why in the world would they put a moron in charge of Microsoft?

Re:Microsoft's board can not be that stupid. (1)

gun26 (151620) | about a year ago | (#44706361)

Didn't they already try that? :)

CEO Challenges (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44706239)

Hear me out, Innovation isn't key for MS, it's tiny tweaks that will get this next CEO far ahead.

1. (OS) - Operating System is just that. A system for me to put apps on. Just stop, think, and make a good app store, make the "OS" the ~same as it has been since windows 95, but more stable. That's why I liked 7.

2. (Tablet) - Fine, just don't make office a selling point. Look at any app store, the #1 selling is never a spreadsheet tool. Eventually this will be salvageable.

3. (Phones) - See (Tablet).

4. (Living Room) - Just make a good DVR and i'll buy two, instantly, even pay a monthly fee. This won't happen.

5. (Office) - Nobody really *wants* office, not even home users. Considering that most offices don't upgrade past 2007, just keep it the same. We're stuck with the ribbon, and I can live with that.

6. (Internet/Services) - Fine, put bing in everything, but just don't remind me every two seconds i'm on Bing. It's like a chevy logo on a Porsche, it'll just devalue something that's not so bad.

Overall, it's taking what you have, moving it forward in a stable manner. The wildness of silicon valley, tech fads and innovation will happen, but it'll always need to be on Microsoft's Phone, Tablet, PC, or work with office to be a global product. /Rambling

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