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Inside OS X Mavericks

samzenpus posted 1 year,19 days | from the take-a-good-look dept.

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rjmarvin writes "Apple's era of naming OSs after big cats is over. The Mavericks wave is rolling in, and the first four developer previews have given an inside look at the cutting-edge OS. Users and developers have almost entirely positive things to say about Mavericks, from faster speed and improved stability to new features like iBooks and iCloud keychains. While some installation concerns and errors have arisen, developer preview have improved version by version, and Mavericks is looking good."

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Parallels (1, Offtopic)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713623)

Parallels briefly mentioned Parallels desktop 9 was available in their spam window, but it's not shown on their website.

Re:Parallels (0)

Runefox (905204) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713631)

Supposedly, it's available as an upgrade only to those who currently own Parallels Desktop 7 or 8, with the full retail version coming IIRC in October.

Re:FuckinG NiggerS!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713659)

what a bunch of niggers dumbass jigaboos what a bunch of coons haa haa stupid bunch of nigjigs laa laa dumb ass tribal speakchuckers!! you say african american i say nigger american whats the difference? theyre both niggers you dumb cunt!! dumb stupid civilization destroying welfare eating bastardchildfactory primitive gangstatribal bunch of criminal breeding NIGGERS yeah! that's what they are uh huh.

even libtardbedwetters wouldnt visit a black ghetto they know how violent niggers are! no matter how not-racist the libtard is!! hahahaha you preach something but you cant live the way you preach you niggerloving libtards,yeah thats right pretend to be the niggers friend to get his nigger vote you niggerlover but dont ever live with niggers because you wouldnt like that! hahaa hahahaa bunch of PC nigger lovers wow only nigger lovers like them are even worse than niggers who steal your car and smoke crack!

niggers think being a thug is cool what a bunch of niggers! niggers beat up black kids that study because they act white, what a bunch of dumb niggers! hey why dont the niggers just work hard to keep other niggers dumb, oh wait thats what they do!! dumb fucking niggers! hey why dont the niggers just try real hard to keep more niggers in prison than niggers in college at any given time? oh wait thats what they do!! dumb fucking niggers! hey why dont the niggers hurt and kill each other till black on black crime is much higher than white on black crime everwas? oh wait thats what they do!! dumb fucking niggers! hey niggers why dont they always defend niggers who fuck up and do stupid shit just because they are fellow niggers like treyvon? oh wait thats wha they do, he's a nigger youre a nigger so you niggers act like niggers!! dumb fucking niggers!

hey why dont niggers get nigger slashdot accounts like a great big bunch of niggers and mod shit like this down because niggers dont wanna hear what a big nigger every nigger really is so they mod it down and hope it goes away!! oh wait thats wha they do!! hahahaha mod the truth down niggers then you forget the truth and what do you end up with? niggertruth! oh wait thats what they do!!

wow niggers are too stupid even niggers think niggers are stupid, dumb niggers! hahahaha nigger nigger nigger yes read it and weep you niggers and you nigger lovers hahaaha yeah he said NIGGER do you get upset when somebody says NIGGER? unless you know theyre black then its ok to say NIGGER? how do you know im not black you NIGGER? you dont you fucking nigger! you just assume i must not be black because you stereotype what races are and what they do and you think you fucking know everything! you don't! you know less than a nigger!! what if I am black and say NIGGER then what you NIGGER! didn't niggers wait so long for the freedom to say NIGGER on the internet? didn't think of that NIGGER did you NIGGER?! yeah. you NIGGER!

Re:FuckinG NiggerS!! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714163)

You must be new here. This is /. Everyone who visits this site is well aware of what trolling is. Be that as it may, very well executed ones have a small possibility of success. Call me crazy, but I'm going to say that this one does not fall into that category.

Re:Parallels (2)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714221)

So happy I switched to VMware. It seemed like parallels was constantly breaking to force upgrades only for revenue stream; it felt like the late 90's all over again...

Re:Parallels (5, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714505)

I bought Parallels 2. It contained a bug in their handling of IPIs that caused host kernel panics on Core 2 processors (i.e. the processor that I'd bought to run it on). They eventually found the bug and fixed it... in Parallels 3. Their solution to the problem of selling me a product that was not fit for purpose was for me to give them more money. I switched to VirtualBox and will never give that company money again. VirtualBox lacks a few of the nice things in VMWare (in particular, it wires all of the VM's memory and doesn't do deduplication), but it's quite useable.

AirDrop (3, Interesting)

exomondo (1725132) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713627)

Anybody know is OSX Mavericks AirDrop compatible with iOS7 AirDrop? I know Mountain Lion's isn't.

Re:AirDrop (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713879)

Nope, at least not between the current OS X 10.9 DP on a 13" Retina and the current iOS 7 beta on an iPhone 5.

Re:AirDrop (4, Funny)

exomondo (1725132) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714019)

It seems strange that they have the same feature with the same name that essentially does the same thing on both platforms yet they are incompatible with eachother.

Mavericks eh? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713635)

They better hope Dr. Light doesn't work for Microsoft.

Re: Mavericks eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713787)

Well, Mavericks will be up against Windows Blue [Bomber]...

Re: Mavericks eh? (2)

kthreadd (1558445) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713957)

And Linux 3.11, Linux for Workgroups.

Re:Mavericks eh? (1)

Guy Harris (3803) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714157)

They better hope Dr. Light doesn't work for Microsoft.

So what does he [] have to do with anything called "Mavericks"?

Re:Mavericks eh? (5, Funny)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714227)

Will Windows go for ShitPipe [] ?

Apple press release (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713655)

Since when has Slashdot started publishing free adverts about Apple? The Maverick is not "cutting edge" at all in fact is hardly different from any of its predecessors. "More stable" and "faster speeds" than what? The previously rubbish versions of Lion or Windows 8? Also the OS appears to have errors which should not be there at this point and "installation concerns" which actually suggests it is rubbish and far from oking good. Really we should not be attempting to hype anything Apple these days but should be telling the truth like it is.

Re:Apple press release (3, Interesting)

the_B0fh (208483) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713723)

Been using it since beta 1. What kind of problems did you see? I saw no issues other than the email sync issues.

Re:Apple press release (5, Insightful)

Camembert (2891457) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713867)

Look, it can simply be interesting from a tech point of view, without resorting to hate or fanboyism.

Re: Apple press release (0, Flamebait)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714195)

I missed the moronic ramblings of a butt hurt fanboy getting angry. Thanks for stepping up and filling the gap.

Re:Apple press release (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714341)

"More stable" and "faster speeds" than what?

Than the previous version. Which is actually saying that the previous version was unstable.

Which is interesting that you would consider that an ad. So far, only Microsoft has been getting away with advertising a new product by calling their previous products unstable and slow. Not that they were wrong, it's just that that's what us "Linux fans" have been saying at least since Windows 95, so they basically admit that we were right all along.

I don't think Apple is quite ready to admit that their products are slow and unstable - and especially not in an ad. Not that I would know, nobody would ask me to use an Apple product (unlike Windows, which for some reason, my boss is willing to pay me to spend a lot of time waiting for).

Re:Apple press release (5, Informative)

smash (1351) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714361)

Curring edge features: interrupt coalescing, memory compression, grand central dispatch, app nap. Amongst others. Having run it since DP1 on my main machine, the only minor issues I have had have been Wifi stability (which looks to be fixed now) and blanked out preference panels in the early DPs for features they were in the process of implementing. Battery life is more than 15% better than Mountain Lion (which is already a lot better than Windows), performance seems as fast or even faster.

Re:Apple press release (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714531)

Timer coalescing is nice, but it's not that new. iOS and Android have done it for a while and it's mostly useful on devices that spend a lot of their time asleep. App Nap looks a bit annoying: much of the time I have apps hidden behind others because they're doing something processor-intensive that won't be finished for a while, so I hope it correctly handles this case instead of just slowing them down unconditionally. If the app is well-written, then apps that aren't doing anything won't be doing idle processing and so they will be asleep anyway. Safari Power Saver sounds like the thing that the Android Browser does in 4.1, which is quite annoying as it optimises for minimising RAM usage at the expense of responsiveness. Hopefully Apple's implementation is better than Google's... Compressed Memory is another thing that's nice, but not exactly cutting edge and also very easy to get wrong.

Spam nonsense (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713661)

Alleged "article" is zero information and all noise. Read at your own risk of brain damage.

If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iOS". (4, Interesting)

zedrdave (1978512) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713665)

From the article:

> He concluded by mentioning that he hoped Mavericks would serve as the bridge between OS X and iOS, allowing his company to make Mac versions of its iOS titles.

So basically this guy is happy that OS X is bridging closer to iOS (because his business stands to gain from this).

How exactly is that supposed to warm my heart as a user who already thoroughly loath the very idea of the "Natural Scrolling(tm)" option on previous updates?

Is it too much to ask for them simply not to break anything and leave me with the halfway-decent UI to a powerful *nix that I am happily using?

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (4, Insightful)

Optimal Cynic (2886377) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713685)

That's why I'm still on Snow Leopard. Sigh.

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713797)

Why? What change have they introduced to improve iOS compatibility that you can't just ignore if you don't like it?

The OS X desktop and interface have not changed much at all.

The scrolling, which is a vast improvement for many, you can turn off. Autohide scrollbars, again a godsend for many users, you can turn off. Everything else, you can just not use.

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (5, Informative)

jersey_emt (846314) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714211)

You can switch the mouse scrolling to normal in System Preferences.

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (1)

phantomfive (622387) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713699)

Is it too much to ask for them simply not to break anything

Yeah, this is unfortunately a very serious worry with OSX......

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (3, Funny)

lxs (131946) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713779)

Yup. Apple is following Microsoft for a change. Not only in tabletifying their OS but also in their naming of it.
I remember Jobs way back in the cat era poking fun at Vista's pre production name "Longhorn" and now they name their own OS "Mavericks" which as every QI watcher knows was originally a term describing unbranded cattle.

So is this all a hidden homage to Tucows [] or a comment on how they see their customers?

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (0)

Jeremi (14640) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713809)

now they name their own OS "Mavericks" which as every QI watcher knows was originally a term describing unbranded cattle.

Really? Every time I hear the name, Sarah Palin comes to mind. It doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. :P

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713857)

Actually, it's named after a beach, which in turn was named after a dog.

IIRC, the only joke about Longhorn was about how long it was taking them to ship it, not about the name itself.

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (2)

tlhIngan (30335) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713911)

I remember Jobs way back in the cat era poking fun at Vista's pre production name "Longhorn" and now they name their own OS "Mavericks" which as every QI watcher knows was originally a term describing unbranded cattle.

Well, it's a Mac, so the appropriate animal is the Dogcow [] .

OTOH, given they're moving to location names, Mavericks [] is apparently a place for surfers. Unofficially, at that, so it's either a play on the stereotype of Californians, or Apple's OS names are going to be of obscure place names only known to locals.

Then again, maybe Apple's transitioning to sports equipment?

Re: If by "looking good", you mean "looking like i (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714005)

I would hardly call Mavericks "obscure."

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714229)

...the stereotype of Californians...

You mean hedonistic airheads who smoke pot all the time, are obsessed with bodybuilding, weird diets, esoteric psychological therapy and run around in swimwear? (Disclaimer: Having met a bunch of Californians I know they aren't all like that, but that's the stereotype)

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713939)

Yup. Apple is following Microsoft for a change. Not only in tabletifying their OS ...

Even Snow Leopard had LaunchPad - and that was being sold in 2009. You almost never see it, though, because the tablet paradigm doesn't translate well to a computer... so no one chooses to use it.

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (2)

smash (1351) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714187)

Launchpad came with Lion, not Snow Leopard.

Apple is taking a different path (4, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714117)

Yup. Apple is following Microsoft for a change. Not only in tabletifying their OS but also in their naming of it.

I don't think that's at all true.

Microsoft decided the tablet and the PC were exactly identical, and made one the other at the cost of both.

Apple however, has said a number of times that PC and tablet/mobile OS's are different things, with different needs (and that desktops do not need touch screens, just gestures). While OSX may borrow at times from iOS, and also share frameworks in some cases, the way you use them and the abilities they have remain pretty different.

Just the aspect of Mavericks adding on a lot of welcome additions to multiple screen use including multiple menu bars (something very un-tablet like indeed) indicates a strong separation - for the better.

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (4, Interesting)

SJ (13711) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713901)

I hated... HATED... "Natural Scrolling" when it first came out. But I gave it a week. You push up on the trackpad... screen goes up. You push down, screen goes down. It just feels.. natural.

Now when I use another computer the scrolling just feels weird.

Re:If by "looking good", you mean "looking like iO (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713913)

I hate natural scrolling too, but that's because I still use a mouse. Most Mac users are using touchpads (laptops), where it is more natural. And you can turn it off.

Da Cloud freaks me out (2)

goombah99 (560566) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713915)

It says it will enhance cloud integration and "all your passwords" can be in the cloud. Of course one can do that voluntarily now (lastpass etc) but it wigs me out a little. I recently bought a chrome book and when you fire it up you realize how when you commit to the cloud whole hog that there is some magic. It's like going back to the convenience of the thin client days but in a full modern way. But what I find frightening is that literally my whole life hinges on my google password. My computer, all my documents, google wallet, and of course g-mail (which is where all your other accounts password recovery) can come to. With the advent of cell phones containing all your passwords and very likely also being your two-factor ID device, basically, if your cell phone gets in the wrong hands your data world is toast.

One of the things I love about macs is that if you don't want to go quite that far, macs are pretty nice. The make backing things up and syncing things pretty easy. Apps work across many devices in the same way. you dont have to have the same password for your login as your google account. I can have a lot of convenience without going the whole thin client and betting it all on one password.

I'm hoping that the icloud integration fixes this issue, so I can have my cloud and my peace of mind too.

Re:Da Cloud freaks me out (1)

exomondo (1725132) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714039)

It says it will enhance cloud integration and "all your passwords" can be in the cloud.

Just what I want, all my passwords in a bunch of data centers in various locations.

Re:Da Cloud freaks me out (2)

smash (1351) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714131)

Key word: "can". You have the option to NOT use icloud keychain sync, and it clearly asks you whether you want to. Been running mavericks since DP1. It's good.

OS X Upgrade Fear (3, Insightful)

TheModelEskimo (968202) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713667)

I'm still on Lion. I have a 2011 MBP and I'm thinking I might stay on Lion. I'll be handing it down to my wife and would consider the big version upgrade, but my recent experience with iOS upgrades was that the new OS was way more resource-intensive than the old, even though people told me it'd be so great and Apple doesn't do upgrades that slow your machine down, etc. Thoughts? Should I think about an upgrade to Mavericks?

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (1)

Optimal Cynic (2886377) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713691)

From what I've heard, Mountain Lion is a worthwhile upgrade to Lion.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713769)

From what I've seen, Snow Leopard is a worthwhile upgrade to Lion (which is exactly what I did on my 2011 Mini). In parallel, I'm doing my best to get up to speed with Linux after 20 years of nearly exclusive Mac use, and I have to say that coming from Snow Leopard, Linux feels more natural than Lion or Mountain Lion.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (1)

Optimal Cynic (2886377) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713807)

Well as I said in an earlier thread, I'm still using Snow Leopard myself. 2009 Mini here so I suspect it'll be on SL until it dies.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713905)

From what I've heard, Mountain Lion is a worthwhile upgrade to Lion.

Mountain Lion fixed Kerberos authentication, in any case - it was horribly borked in Lion. ML also handled Active Directory reasonably well.

Not that most home users care about either one...

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (1)

Y-Crate (540566) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714069)

I'd still love to know what fixes that "Kerberos 5 refuses you" thing you sometimes see in the Console when a user logs in.

It's survived an OS reinstall and rebuilt user account.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713929)

I think it is. I've got 2012 MBP Retina, which is my main system, but as I still have the 2008 MBP 17" (core 2 duo) last model before unibody which I had upgraded to Lion earlier and I decided to try Mountain Liion on it last April. Upgrade went without a hitch. Few things to notice though, you may like to add some memory as I noticed that it used bit more memory. Upgrade from 4GB to 6GB (max on that system) made it perform better, but if you don't run large applications you may not notice difference.

I changed also the old 250GB SATA drive at same time to 750GB SATA drive while at it, just to make more room editing lengthy videos I was then migrating from old media (DV tapes) to BD disks. Old system is not of course comparable to this newer MBP but is good enough batch processing tasks I rather leave running there as it's more stationary than the newer system I take with me where I go.

I'd say that Lion to Mountain Lion was definitely worth upgrading.

ps. Hint: Purchase a 1TB externald USB drive and clone your system there with Disk Utility (or Carbon Copy Cloner or like) before upgrade. Test your cloned copy by booting from there (hold Alt down right after powering on), then if you regret after upgrade you can always clone from external disk back to internal without any fear. Depending your disk size it takes some time, but you get 1:1 copy and be sure not to loose anything. I have done this kind of backup since 2004 and still do it quarterly even though I have used TimeMachine and now have had TimeCapsule over a year. Do not rely on one backup system if your data is important to you like if your income depends on not losing it.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (1)

Cheezlbub (39707) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714061)

I'm curious how this method works with the recovery partition - does it restore the lion one or do you still have the recovery tools for ML?

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (1)

philip.paradis (2580427) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714079)

A "one for one" copy means a "bit for bit" copy, as in the kind of images I routinely make of physical and virtual hard disks. This kind of copy isn't influenced by partitions or filesystems present on a disk. You get an exact replica of the disk in a file.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (1)

AHuxley (892839) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713775)

If its supported and "battery-saving techniques" on page 3 work well on your hardware: Enjoy :)

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (2, Insightful)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713781)

Easy.... just wait for the OSX dot 1 versions to come out before deciding. By the time the first minor update to the OS is out, early adopters and people who don't care if their Mac breaks horribly will let you know how it performs... plus most of the showstopper bugs will get ironed out by then.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (2)

ernest.cunningham (972490) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713849)

Mavericks is a great upgrade for your machine. []

Mavericks has an app nap feature that automatically slows apps down that are completely hidden and a Safari Power Saver feature.

Overall your machine will hopefully use LESS resources than it currently does with better performance for those apps your actually using (i.e. in the foreground).

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (1)

BitZtream (692029) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713975)

Safari basically has click2flash built in now, that in and of itself is worth the upgrade to Mavericks, but the other power saving features and the power display in Activity Monitor make are pretty nice. Lets you know whats slurping down the juice.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (0)

mvdwege (243851) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714513)

Mavericks has an app nap feature that automatically slows apps down that are completely hidden

That's not an upgrade. That's a downgrade to MS-DOS. I want my modern PC to do actual multitasking, not half-assed TSR stuff.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (1)

rho (6063) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713931)

I have a late 2008 15" MBP on Mountain Lion. It's fine.

Upgrade to the maximum RAM you are capable of. (A good practice at all times.) Mavericks will be a different beast, and it's well worth waiting to see on a 5+ year old machine, but you're probably fine.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (1)

smash (1351) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714141)

Mavericks is as fast or faster than ML on the same hardware, with better power consumption in my experience (MBP 15 2011)

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714053)

for iOS it depends on your device

I'd recommend upgrading -

YMMV but, I haven't really noticed any appreciable performance loss going from ML to Mavericks on my 2012 mba - if anything I've noticed the opposite and with a nice bump in battery life.

You get increased interactivity between your computer & iCloud (being able to effortlessly sync docs between devices is very nice - iCloud keychain is nifty)

It's going to get security/feature updates longer

Not a whole lot of change to get used to on the user side of things - interface looks cleaner.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (2)

smash (1351) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714369)

Also, full screen is actually usable with multiple monitors now.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714115)

I can't speak specifically to Mavericks, but I think the rule should be "if you don't need it for a particular application, don't upgrade to it." I have a 2011 MBP, too, and Mountain Lion's improvements generally fall under three categories: redundant features, change for the sake of change (even if against basic GUI design principles), and "how do I turn this shit off?" I expect Mavericks to be more of the same -- especially since adding more iOS features falls under one, two or all three of the aforementioned categories.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (1)

smash (1351) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714135)

Lion -> ML -> Mavericks has been steady improvement, running on my 2011 hires 2.2Ghz 15" MBP.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714175)

While you're right about many iOS updates, the general trend with OS X has actually been towards more efficient
10.0 -> 10.4 got more efficient at every single release, often at point point releases
10.5 was a bit slower
10.6 had a specific focus on fixing the bloat 10.5 introduced
10.7 and 10.8 had very little impact on performance either way
10.9 is sold as making very large strides in power usage (downwards)

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (4, Insightful)

smash (1351) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714391)

Performance definitely went backwards from 10.6 to 10.7. 10.7 is the Vista of OS X. A necessary architectural update, but with unfortunate consequences for compatibility and performance. Which was mostly fixed in the following release (and also later point releases for 10.7 - 10.7.4 is much faster than 10.7).

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714217)

while apple doesn't really have an "official" lifecycle policy like most major tech and software firms, don't let your OSX get too far behind the current version... apple has historically provided updates for only the current and previous version (roughly.. some security fixes have trickled out a little past that timetable previously)... dont expect too much as far as updates from here on for lion as it will soon no longer be that 'previous' version... the last significant update to lion, was nearly a year ago as it is.

Re:OS X Upgrade Fear (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714379)

I'm running Mountain Lion on an early '08 MBP (this was the last non-unibody mac). Most usefulupgrades I can recommend:
  - Max ram (for me this is 6gb, won't boot with 8)
  - SSD (this made an insane difference, can't recommend enough)
  - Adapter to put 500gb spinning platter drive in the optical bay for music, video, photos etc.

No noticable slowdown on any OS release since I got the mac :)

Ars (4, Insightful)

Optimal Cynic (2886377) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713677)

I'll wait for the Ars Technica review.

Re:Ars (2)

Anubis IV (1279820) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713925)

Siracusa already has most of it written, it sounds like, based on stuff he's said on Accidental Tech Podcast. Just a few weeks ago he was figuring Mavericks was still months away from release based on the issues it still had, but now it seems like there are lots of rumblings that it'll be coming sooner, which seems strange, since there's no reason they would want to detract attention from the September 10th iPhone announcement.

Re:Ars (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713979)

now it seems like there are lots of rumblings that it'll be coming sooner, which seems strange

It doesn't seem too odd given they probably want to launch the Mac Pro with Mavericks, and more specifically want Mavericks in a general release at least a few weeks before the Mac Pro ships.

Not even trying to hide the slashvertising anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713687)

..."Don't worry about the error guys. This new version has Cloud flavoured peanut butter! MMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM"

This is not news... (0)

UBfusion (1303959) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713689) would be news if "users and developers" dared say something even slightly bad about a new Apple OS.

Re:This is not news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713721)

Perhaps they have nothing bad to say. Perhaps you haven't read articles that have bad things to say.

What is certain, is that you have nothing worthwhile to say.

What was the point of your comment?

Re:This is not news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714181)

His point was that the article is probably baised.

Re:This is not news... (1)

Architect_sasyr (938685) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713751)

I do, regularly enough that when I'm attending one of the "tech only" training day the local apple guys know that I will be a source of useful information and will tell them what is shit and where, but that sort of thing doesn't make the news.

There's also the percentages problem - considering the size of the user base, it's not really surprising that people encounter problems with the product. The only piece of software I've seen work flawlessly in the last, what, 20 years would be Hobbit's netcat, and that doesn't handle IPv6.

2013, Finally the Year of Linux on the Desktop? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713757)

Ubuntu already jumped off the Unity cliff.

Microsoft already jumped off the Win 8 cliff.

Apple is now mid-leap off the Mavericks cliff.

When you get tired of your computer trying to pretend it's a tablet, try Linux Mint [] .
It's the best OS/UI combination that I've used to date.

Re:2013, Finally the Year of Linux on the Desktop? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713833)

last time I used linux mint it couldnt load the fucking clock without crashing

its shitbuntu with a very poor menu system kludged on top of gnome 3

besides how god damned hard is it to find your own personal brand of debian / ubuntu ripoff with a bunch of bullshit you dont want all by yourself?

How does it stack up to emacs? (1)

rolfwind (528248) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713799)

Okay, j/k.

But did they name it after John McCain or Sarah Palin?

Re:How does it stack up to emacs? (1)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714103)

I'm thinking Bret, Bart, Beau or Brent.

Slashdot: News for Nerds (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44713821)

Not "Slashdot: News for Narcissistic Luddite Yuppie Lifestyle Choicers"

Who honestly gives a fuck about Apple and their little gilded cage platform?
If you do, you're not a nerd. You're a sheeple.

iCloud Keychain (1)

AHuxley (892839) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713825)

page 2 has some interesting directions for iCloud Keychain.
", shared between your devices and backed up by a meaty encryption system"
Will all that 256-bit AES encryption system to outlast a NSL ( like effort or will it be a form of one time, one way only online system?

Re:iCloud Keychain (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713917)


Re:iCloud Keychain (1)

overnight_failure (1032886) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714109)

in this case, akin to 'hefty' or 'beefy'

How much (-1, Flamebait)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713831)

How much did apple pay for this front page? Most of the times, it's just way too obvious...

Re:How much (3, Insightful)

multiben (1916126) | 1 year,19 days | (#44713919)

So it would only be valid news if it put Apple in a negative light then? Or are we not allowed to hear about Apple at all?

There are less conspiracies going on in the world than you think.

Re:How much (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714277)

It's not news at all, it's just spam trying to generate some buzz around the new OS release. This is just a beta, not even an RC. TFA is mostly just people saying how wonderful it is, barely even bothering to cover the new features. I don't know why it was called "inside OS X" because it's extremely superficial and lacking in technical detail.

Re:How much (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714009)

I'd bet they paid the same amount that Google pays for new Android releases, Microsoft pays for new Windows releases, and Linus Torvalds pays each time a kernel version comes out. All of which get plenty of coverage and exposure on /., and always have.

Re:How much (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714467)

True enough, I guess. Linux: new release, with features x, y, z. Windows: new version, with design flaws x, y, z. Apple: new version, with amazing features x, y, z. All get the same amount of coverage. Some things just are more equal than others.

I see PreRequisit still pre required (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714075)

One must be. A Pussy to. Use Apple. One day. A Pussy I can be. I can hope. A pussy. To be. Like you. Apple User.

I love Linux, but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714095)

I love Linux, but I never thought it would become popular simply because the others self-destructed.

Re:I love Linux, but ... (1)

smash (1351) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714399)

Don't worry, you won't.

free android market (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714113) []

The OS is good, but the hardware pushes me away (2, Interesting)

Stormwatch (703920) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714127)

I've been a Mac OS user since 1997, and I love the interface (in some respects I still like Mac OS 9 better than X). I have owned two PowerPC Macs before, but when their move to Intel coincided with a little personal economic downturn, I went the hackintosh way. Sometimes I think of getting a new actual Apple, but when I look into it, they don't offer a machine that suits me.

You just can't get a headless system with good specs, except the Mac Pro, and that's crazy overkill. The mini is a complete joke, with little memory, lame Intel video, no optical drive, no expandability whatsoever. I could go for an iMac (and deal with external drives, a single 1TB disk doesn't really cut it anymore). But I'd have to go with the rather expensive 27-inch ones to get a video card that beats my rather outdated GTS 250. Seriously, I assembled this machine a couple years ago, penny-pinching all the way, and even back then I knew this video card was the bottleneck. They still sell machines with worse video. It's quite ridiculous.

So... too much money for little benefit. Maybe some other time, Apple.

Re:The OS is good, but the hardware pushes me away (2)

smash (1351) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714149)

Serious question: what do you do that you could not do with a mini + thunderbolt enclosure?

Re:The OS is good, but the hardware pushes me away (2)

Stormwatch (703920) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714241)

Play modern games on high quality at a solid 60 fps. The Intel HD Graphics 4000 is the deal killer.

Re:The OS is good, but the hardware pushes me away (2)

smash (1351) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714313)

Thunderbolt enclosure + PCIe video card. You can keep it and plug it into your next machine. not its not as fast as direct PCIe, but it is still capable of running 60 FPS or damn close on modern games. A friend has done this exact thing with his 11" MBA.

Re:The OS is good, but the hardware pushes me away (2)

Stormwatch (703920) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714413)

Checked eBay and Amazon: those enclosures are crazy expensive, some cost more than the computer itself.

Re:The OS is good, but the hardware pushes me away (1)

wylf (657051) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714207)

You want a headless system with a high-end video output? Other than gpu-based dev work - something sufficiently specialised to warrant a diy build -, where's the need coming from?

Re:The OS is good, but the hardware pushes me away (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714247)

Sorry if I used the wrong term - I meant a machine without a built-in screen, like a regular desktop PC, not an all-in-one like the iMac.

Re:The OS is good, but the hardware pushes me away (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714527)

Apple isn't interested in your business. Apple only wants high-margin sales. You don't want to shop in the high-margin market. That's a perfectly rational choice, but don't expect Apple to come chasing your business -- they've made a ton of money by not caring about value-oriented market segments.

For developers (1)

GrahamCox (741991) | 1 year,19 days | (#44714309)

There are some cool things in Mavericks for developers, including a 2D Sprite and Physics engine framework. That should help with bringing a lot of iPad-level 2D games to the Mac.

Re:For developers (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#44714479)

Why would I consider using this, when I have dozens of other high quality and cross-platform engines to choose from?

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