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Linux 3.11 Released

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the includes-trumpet-winsock-trial dept.

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hypnosec writes "Linus Torvalds has just announced the release of Linux 3.11 as anticipated. Torvalds notes that the final version doesn't bring in a lot more than what is already present in the rc7, but it does include fixes — most of them in networking, file systems, and audio."

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Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44741843)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

Re:Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (0)

horm (2802801) | about a year ago | (#44741879)

What.

Re: Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742961)

What?

Re: Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (1, Funny)

enrgeeman (867240) | about a year ago | (#44743417)

in the butt.

Re:Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44744433)

In other news: Networking, file systems, and audio still need fixing.

Re:Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (2)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#44743413)

That was yesterday, dipshit, and only in the US.

Re:Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#44743423)

Oh, yeah, timezones, duh. Nevermind...

*goes off in search of coffee*

Re:Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44745139)

Everybody corrects you every time you post this shit, CONFIDANTE, not COSMONAUT you fucking idiot! Why do you persist in posting this shit?

Re:Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (1)

davidpack01 (580365) | about a year ago | (#44752823)

See how you reacted to it? That is why he/she continues to post it. Don't feed trolls shit, let em' starve!

Is it for Workgroups? (5, Funny)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about a year ago | (#44741855)

That's what I want to know. Also, how many floppies?

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44741869)

I think we're pretty much past that joke by now.
A dozen articles on this website already mentioned that, after even Linus himself mentioned Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
And to all the people using karma to 'thumbs up' those Workgroups comments: get a life.

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742057)

I think we're pretty much past that joke by now.

This is slashdot. Think again.

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44743251)

I think we're pretty much past that joke by now.

This is slashdot. Stop thinking.

FTFY

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (1)

isorox (205688) | about a year ago | (#44744721)

I think we're pretty much past that joke by now.

This is slashdot. Think again.

In Soviet Slashdot, joke is past you!

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44746209)

3.5" or 5-1/4" floppies?

Tip: To protect 5-1/4" floppies, put a piece of tape over the notches at the top of the disk. Then, nobody can accidentally overwrite your data!

Bonus Tip: Use a notching tool to convert single sided disks into double sided disks!

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44741979)

And to think it's taken the amateurs this long to reach the point where the professionals at Microsoft were in the mid 90's. If that doesn't demonstrate the difference between commercial and open-source software, nothing will.

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (1)

gargleblast (683147) | about a year ago | (#44742325)

Well, not exactly. But on the other hand, you just achieved Trolling Level 3.11

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (2)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | about a year ago | (#44743371)

I won't install it until 3.11b

The Real Secret Of Linus (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742025)

When Linus dies, he will be embalmed like Stalin and kept in a glass case for all the acolytes to file past... Eventually, like Stalin, most of his flesh will be replaced with wax. Indeed, secretly, Madame Tussaud will be asked to create a Torvald corpse to replace the real body, which will be shipped to a laboratory where technicians will attempt to reanimate Linus. This will be done with secret procedures gleaned from hacking Scientology's servers on how they did the same thing to Tom Cruise.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742101)

I'm pretty sure for Tom Cruise they got it mixed up and shipped the wax version to the lab for reanimation.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#44743441)

To be fair, that's a mistake anyone could easily make.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (1)

Beardydog (716221) | about a year ago | (#44742109)

Nagob has the true scroll. He knows where to find it.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742111)

When Linus dies, he will be embalmed like Stalin and kept in a glass case for all the acolytes to file past... Eventually, like Stalin, most of his flesh will be replaced with wax. Indeed, secretly, Madame Tussaud will be asked to create a Torvald corpse to replace the real body, which will be shipped to a laboratory where technicians will attempt to reanimate Linus. This will be done with secret procedures gleaned from hacking Scientology's servers on how they did the same thing to Tom Cruise.

Are you sure of this? I would have thought they would save this technology for RMS....

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742897)

No. The technology is not open so RMS would spin too much.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742167)

How To Install Linux On A Dead Linus?

Re: The Real Secret Of Linus (1)

s3cr3to (2822665) | about a year ago | (#44742379)

Is more easy that reinstalling on a dead Jobs, Ballmer or Gates, those 3 are zombies. Linus is just a good daemon that can respawn by itself (when need it).

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44743009)

This will be done with secret procedures gleaned from hacking Scientology's servers on how they did the same thing to Tom Cruise.

Pretty sure that was done by sticking something up his ass. Repeat as needed, don't use a random male masseuse.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (3, Interesting)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44743839)

I thought they put Stalin under an enormous block of concrete ... just in case. That's how the Russian joke about Stalin's tomb goes anyway.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44744683)

Actually this is Lenin who is embalmed in a glass case in Moscow.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (1)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | about a year ago | (#44745203)

For eight years (1953-1961) Stalin was too.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

marcello_dl (667940) | about a year ago | (#44745713)

> When Linus dies, he will be embalmed like Stalin...
It's spelled "Stallman".

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44761159)

Stalin != Lenin

Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (-1, Redundant)

Newtonian_p (412461) | about a year ago | (#44741877)

Linux for Workgroups 3.11

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#44741917)

Sadly, no mention of the christening [zdnet.com] in any of today's stories! Possibly the name was only for rc1 though.

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about a year ago | (#44744203)

Possibly the name was only for rc1 though.

That would be sad. Depends if the modified logo is still in the git reop under the 3.11 branch.

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742009)

How original.
Not only did we see that 'joke' in the previous 10+ articles on Slashdot about 3.11 releases candidates, but even the comments that were posted before yours mention that 'joke'.
Really, great stuff, just keep repeating the same 'joke'; gets better and more original every time.

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#44742817)

Really, great stuff, just keep repeating the same 'joke'; gets better and more original every time.

You have just described the history of comedy since Aristophanes

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (3, Funny)

TheLink (130905) | about a year ago | (#44742899)

Those were just the RC candidate jokes.

This is the release version.

Try to keep up.

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (1)

TheLink (130905) | about a year ago | (#44742901)

Oops. Release Candidate jokes I mean. Half asleep...

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (3, Informative)

Xtifr (1323) | about a year ago | (#44742045)

That's correct. Here's the diff: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/Makefile?id=ad81f0545ef01ea651886dddac4bef6cec930092 [kernel.org] .

Note that the previous version, 3.10, was named "Unicycling Gorilla". The fact that you probably had no idea it was named that shows just how important these release names are. :)

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742069)

Linux for Workgroups 3.11

But.... does it have a gui?

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (1)

Provocateur (133110) | about a year ago | (#44744001)

That's right, the f stands for 'for' and is not, as you would like to believe, a description of what Linux was doing to those Workgroups

Only 3.11? (-1)

bennomatic (691188) | about a year ago | (#44741949)

I'm mad as hell that they didn't release version 4!!!1!

Wait. What day is it? Apple's release isn't for 8 days. Sorry... wrong product.

Re:Only 3.11? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742037)

Hilarious.
Such a funny comment.
Let's use our karma to vote up this splendid, humorous comment.
I can see it already has "Score:2", this is bound to become a "Score:5 Funny" comment.
So original.

I also like how you wrote "4!!!1!", pretending to press 1 instead of ! in excitement.
Must be the first time I've seen that anywhere on the Internet.
Good work.

Re:Only 3.11? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44743477)

And why is it, exactly, that haven't you killed yourself yet?

Re:Only 3.11? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742311)

Reminds me of a comment by an overpaid manager saying that Windows was more mature because it was at version 7 while Linux was behind at 3.

Re:Only 3.11? (2)

aztracker1 (702135) | about a year ago | (#44743589)

Well, Ubuntu is on version 13, so we should definitely be using that.

Re:Only 3.11? (2)

bennomatic (691188) | about a year ago | (#44749135)

Remember the browser-version wars? I think that IE jumped from 2.1 to 4 in a matter of weeks. Eventually, Google and Firefox took it to the logical extreme, changing major revision numbers ever 12 minutes. I guess it's still going on...

Re:Only 3.11? (1)

vandamme (1893204) | about a year ago | (#44790403)

Mint is on 14, so that's one better.

Linux 3.11 Beautiful Disaster (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742071)

Beautiful disaster
Flyin' down the street again
I tried to keep up
You wore me out and left me ate up
Now I wish you all the luck
You're a butterfly in the wind without a care
A pretty train crash to me and I can't care
I do I don't whatever /in all seriousness, it's all good Linux 3.11

next version (0)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year ago | (#44742125)

Will be forked: Linux 95 and Linux nt 3

Re:next version (2)

ChrisMaple (607946) | about a year ago | (#44743181)

I'm waiting for Linux XP, which will never die.

Re:next version (1)

vandamme (1893204) | about a year ago | (#44790399)

It's called Zorin.

Re:next version (1)

Razgorov Prikazka (1699498) | about a year ago | (#44743777)

At this rate that wont happen any time soon. We are probably all dead when Linux 8 will arive :-S

I'm not going to let you succeed (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742209)

going to make it fake device hotter and more useless slower more wires. won't matter I'm ahead breaking the next one obsolete skills of the chain throw away break your capacity again, changes the connectors, bury you in more wires, useless converters, change a bunch more things here and there broadcast cancer into your body . you are not authorized to do that . Heaters for all! bake toxics to your brain

Re:I'm not going to let you succeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742341)

what the fuck?

Re:I'm not going to let you succeed (2)

kintamanimatt (2674243) | about a year ago | (#44742723)

It's almost like the original comment has been run through Google Translate 30-40 times.

Re:I'm not going to let you succeed (1)

real-modo (1460457) | about a year ago | (#44743807)

It's a Horse_ebooks wannabe.

Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (0)

Burz (138833) | about a year ago | (#44742219)

* Kernel panic when I set my sleeping Thinkpad on my desk and plug in USB hub, displayport and power.

* Bluetooth audio freaking out pretty much anytime

* As soon as desktop apps start to push into swap memory, system freezes in endless swap loop (great way to wear out my SSD).

* Any time the system is taxed more than 70%, mouse pointer gets jumpy

Android would be a similar mess if Google had not laid down the law as to what kernel changes were necessary for mobile.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (-1, Flamebait)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year ago | (#44742255)

of course, the problem couldn't be your stinkpad is a piece of shit with problems no one use is having. oh noes

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (3, Insightful)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year ago | (#44742367)

isn't linux suppose to run on a toaster? But whenever someone brings up a problem its their piece of shit, and of course no one is having issues, no one else fucking uses it

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#44742565)

From the litany of problems listed, it sounds like there might be hardware issues, but drivers are a possibility as well.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742779)

dollars to doughnuts it works fine with windows, but nope not a linux problem, no sir

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year ago | (#44749287)

That doesnt mean its not a hardware problem-- which it sounds like it is.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (1)

Burz (138833) | about a year ago | (#44742853)

Sorry, no hardware issues. Everything works perfectly in diagnostics and Windows 7...and by "everything" I also mean all the other hardware functions I can't even try to use under Linux.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44744309)

Sorry, no hardware issues. Everything works perfectly in diagnostics and Windows 7

The first does not follow from the other.

One common problem is broken hardware, with an undocumented workaround in the Windows driver. Or a broken Windows standard driver, with an undocumented workaround in the hardware.

Once you get the BIOS involved, it gets even worse. Nowadays, the BIOS can do things differently depending on the OS. One motherboard had a BIOS workaround for an old bug in a 2.6 or 2.4 kernel. The next kernel version fixed the bug, and that motherboard stopped working under Linux. Make the Linux kernel identify itself to the BIOS as being XP, and everything works.

And then there's the (hardware or BIOS) features that doesn't get used by the current version of Windows, and so nobody bothers implementing them correctly. Linux, however, uses those features, and thus doesn't work. When the next Windows version uses those features, we often end up back at broken hardware with a workaround in the Windows driver.

An example: Linux was among the first to support the ATA TRIM command, and certain CD-ROM drives (I think), rather than responding with "No such command, this is not an SSD", instead entered firmware flashing mode. Not just a case of Linux not working with the drive, the drive was actually bricked in that the firmware was overwritten with random data.

Another: The Samsung UEFI machines that did not check the size of the data sent to the UEFI non-volatile RAM area. Windows only sent a few K, so no problem there. Linux used it for crash logging, and rather than reporting "not enough memory", UEFI gladly filled the entire area, leaving no space for it's own use, which was required to boot any OS.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (1)

Burz (138833) | about a year ago | (#44747397)

Thanks for the litany of excuses, but at least half of the problems (like the swapping and mouse pointer problems) encountered on Linux desktops have nothing to do with drivers. Its mainly due to software architecture that's poorly suited to desktop environments.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44752191)

in other words linux is perfect, its your fault for having defective hardware, but least this AC was nice about it

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (1)

scottbomb (1290580) | about a year ago | (#44742911)

True. I've been running Xubuntu on a Thinkpad T60 (since Natty) with no problems.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44743849)

Linux IS drivers. Just because MS outsourced important bits of their kernel to every random hardware manufacturer out there doesn't mean it's the only way to do it.
In other news bleeding edge stuff bleeds sometimes. If you want something more solid use a version that has been tested a bit more.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44746481)

Nope, Dell Inspiron N5110 does all of those, except BT sound issues, which weren't tested. Debian 7.1.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (2)

Tool Man (9826) | about a year ago | (#44742747)

I think the toaster OS is NetBSD.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44744399)

You're thinking of NetBSD.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (2)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#44742357)

you could try upgrading your kernel to get access to newer driver revisions.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... ;) (3, Interesting)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about a year ago | (#44742687)

You obviously don't know what you're doing, and it's your fault for choosing junk, uncommon hardware. BTW, real men use a PS/2 mouse rather than new fangled USB thing. The cursor stays responsive in swap hell when it doesn't have to go through a USB stack.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (1)

EmperorArthur (1113223) | about a year ago | (#44742709)

Please tell us what distro you're using so we can start a flame war. :D

On a more serious note, How do you know it's a kernel panic? Is it in the logs? Does it drop to a terminal saying it? Except for the kernel panic part, I'd say that most of these things seem to be GUI and sound related. Have you checked the nice values for those systems. It could be that their "process priority" is the same as everything else. Most distros try to make sure that essential user mode processes and drivers are running with high priority, and background tasks run with low priority. Though apparently systemd uses cgroups to do that stuff, instead of process ids.

Just some food for thought. In a nutshell it sounds like X11 is a piece of crap.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (2)

blackiner (2787381) | about a year ago | (#44742929)

3.8 is what Ubuntu is stuck on at the moment I believe, probably what he is using... Their kernel updates are pretty barebones too, it is basically just the plain old 3.8.0 kernel. GP, you should at least try a fedora liveCD or something, they package a pretty solid build of Linux these days. And if you were using the latest Ubuntu version, I'll just say I had a bunch of issues with it too, so please try something else.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44743809)

I hope you've reported these bugs.

Next version (1)

lkernan (561783) | about a year ago | (#44742485)

Still a long way to go to Linux 95.

Also (2)

GrahamJ (241784) | about a year ago | (#44742509)

"Fuck you," he added.

Kernel Newbies (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44742579)

If you're going to post Linux release announcements, remember to link the Kernel Newbies page, since they document the big changes.
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.11

Re:Kernel Newbies (3, Informative)

NotBorg (829820) | about a year ago | (#44744447)

And don't be an asshole like this guy who provided a URL that you can't click on. http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.11 [kernelnewbies.org]

Re:Kernel Newbies (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44746001)

The link says:

Another use is for creating an initially unreachable file, write whatever you want into it, fchmod()/fchown()/fsetxattr() it as you wish, then atomically link it in, already fully set up.

But it doesn't mention which system call to use for the last step. Which system call can be used to create a new link in the file system based on an open file descriptor?

Re:Kernel Newbies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753971)

Which system call can be used to create a new link in the file system based on an open file descriptor?

linkat(fd, "", AT_FDCWD, newname, AT_EMPTY_PATH);
Only root can do this.

Did he say "audio"? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#44742807)

I should probably go take a closer look. I've been disappointed so many times, though, that my expectations are not high.

I'm sure someone has already said this, but the fact that this is Linux 3.11 means that the next version will be Linux NT.

Re:Did he say "audio"? (1)

Burz (138833) | about a year ago | (#44742863)

I'm sure someone has already said this, but the fact that this is Linux 3.11 means that the next version will be Linux NT.

And it really should be.

Nicely coincides with... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44743279)

the takeover of Nokia by Microsoft - remember the N9* line of devices running Linux back in the days ? (slightly off topic, but still vaguely related to Linux)

article number 3.11 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44743301)

This is article number 3.11 on /. about this release. I am starting to think its a bit like Voyager leaving the Solar System - left, no wait, ok left, no wait, yes it has left....

Next big one will be the PI release which will be completely irrational and instead of a binary system, will have infinite digits.

Sound fixes are more extensive FANTASTIC (5, Interesting)

deviated_prevert (1146403) | about a year ago | (#44743499)

Sound fixes and hardware support [indiana.edu] are moving along at full steam. From what I am reading most of the problems with Dell laptops should be ironed out and some nasty problems with HDA intel on Baytrails are finally fixed.

What is really fantastic is the extended support for pro usb devices from Roland and Yamaha. It should be very possible to create a really effective cheap laptop DAW running Linux tuned for RT audio without having to mess install drivers the way you do with Windows. Not that you could not use these devices in the past it was just difficult to set them up correctly because alsa had trouble working with most Roland mixers and the like the only way to do it sometimes was using a stupid setup that was flaky as hell.

I hope this kernel version is adopted quickly by the Ubuntu Studio guys, but if necessary I will roll my own so I can use Roland usb devices with my laptop!

Re:Sound fixes are more extensive FANTASTIC (1)

Flammon (4726) | about a year ago | (#44745251)

I'm sure Saucy will run on 3.11. There's already a release in the mainline PPA.

http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11-saucy/ [ubuntu.com]

Re:Sound fixes are more extensive FANTASTIC (1)

deviated_prevert (1146403) | about a year ago | (#44747857)

I'm sure Saucy will run on 3.11. There's already a release in the mainline PPA.

http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11-saucy/ [ubuntu.com]

Thanks, great, think I will do a complete re-install though as there are a few things I have messed up trying to compile a specialized ffmpeg dlna stuff. What I am trying to do is create a real time dlna output with audio straight from input. Not an easy task. Would make a neat interface if you could create a stream directly from ffmpeg recording input. I am sure it can be done with existing libraries but scripting it is not easy.

Re:Sound fixes are more extensive FANTASTIC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44745545)

Just pacman -Syyu and be happy (aka switch to Arch and get the release in about a week).

nomasteryoda

Re:Sound fixes are more extensive FANTASTIC (1)

Nimey (114278) | about a year ago | (#44745695)

And then swear next month when the Arch devs make another major change that breaks your system if you forget to read the front page first for things that must be changed manually before running pacman.

No thanks, it's much easier to compile my own kernel on a Debian-descended distro.

Let me, let ME! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44744533)

Without reading any of the previous comments, let me add a unique joke about the version numbering and the fact that we're talking about linux...... :D

IS THIS THE YEAR OF LINUX FOR THE WORKGROUPS

HAR HAR HAR :)

Re:Let me, let ME! (0)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | about a year ago | (#44744751)

Without reading any of the previous comments

Yeah, right... You are only the 32497234th person to do that joke because of not reading previous comments...

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Linux Today (1)

zerogravity_1 (2979905) | about a year ago | (#44774179)

Most people do not realize that Linux even exists, yet without it, the internet will be a costly place. The common would not be able to have any money left if he/she bought a computer and software. But today, it's possible to not go bankrupt and still buy a nice computer. Now, I know that many people, me included, regards Mac OS X as one of the greatest and most innovative operating systems ever made, but Linux is still much, much more important. Without it, computers would be toys for the sort of people who spend their weekends with other people who constantly brag about their new Range Rover or new mansion, not for PEOPLE, like you and me.

Re:Linux Today (1)

vandamme (1893204) | about a year ago | (#44790419)

Those rich people run their stock exchange on Linux.

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