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Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44741843)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

Re:Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (0)

horm (2802801) | about 8 months ago | (#44741879)

What.

Re:Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44744433)

In other news: Networking, file systems, and audio still need fixing.

Re:Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44745139)

Everybody corrects you every time you post this shit, CONFIDANTE, not COSMONAUT you fucking idiot! Why do you persist in posting this shit?

Re:Happy Labor Day from The Golden Girls! (1)

davidpack01 (580365) | about 8 months ago | (#44752823)

See how you reacted to it? That is why he/she continues to post it. Don't feed trolls shit, let em' starve!

Is it for Workgroups? (5, Funny)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about 8 months ago | (#44741855)

That's what I want to know. Also, how many floppies?

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44741869)

I think we're pretty much past that joke by now.
A dozen articles on this website already mentioned that, after even Linus himself mentioned Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
And to all the people using karma to 'thumbs up' those Workgroups comments: get a life.

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742057)

I think we're pretty much past that joke by now.

This is slashdot. Think again.

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44743251)

I think we're pretty much past that joke by now.

This is slashdot. Stop thinking.

FTFY

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (1)

isorox (205688) | about 8 months ago | (#44744721)

I think we're pretty much past that joke by now.

This is slashdot. Think again.

In Soviet Slashdot, joke is past you!

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44746209)

3.5" or 5-1/4" floppies?

Tip: To protect 5-1/4" floppies, put a piece of tape over the notches at the top of the disk. Then, nobody can accidentally overwrite your data!

Bonus Tip: Use a notching tool to convert single sided disks into double sided disks!

Re:Is it for Workgroups? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44741979)

And to think it's taken the amateurs this long to reach the point where the professionals at Microsoft were in the mid 90's. If that doesn't demonstrate the difference between commercial and open-source software, nothing will.

The Real Secret Of Linus (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742025)

When Linus dies, he will be embalmed like Stalin and kept in a glass case for all the acolytes to file past... Eventually, like Stalin, most of his flesh will be replaced with wax. Indeed, secretly, Madame Tussaud will be asked to create a Torvald corpse to replace the real body, which will be shipped to a laboratory where technicians will attempt to reanimate Linus. This will be done with secret procedures gleaned from hacking Scientology's servers on how they did the same thing to Tom Cruise.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742101)

I'm pretty sure for Tom Cruise they got it mixed up and shipped the wax version to the lab for reanimation.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742111)

When Linus dies, he will be embalmed like Stalin and kept in a glass case for all the acolytes to file past... Eventually, like Stalin, most of his flesh will be replaced with wax. Indeed, secretly, Madame Tussaud will be asked to create a Torvald corpse to replace the real body, which will be shipped to a laboratory where technicians will attempt to reanimate Linus. This will be done with secret procedures gleaned from hacking Scientology's servers on how they did the same thing to Tom Cruise.

Are you sure of this? I would have thought they would save this technology for RMS....

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742897)

No. The technology is not open so RMS would spin too much.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742167)

How To Install Linux On A Dead Linus?

Re: The Real Secret Of Linus (1)

s3cr3to (2822665) | about 8 months ago | (#44742379)

Is more easy that reinstalling on a dead Jobs, Ballmer or Gates, those 3 are zombies. Linus is just a good daemon that can respawn by itself (when need it).

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44743009)

This will be done with secret procedures gleaned from hacking Scientology's servers on how they did the same thing to Tom Cruise.

Pretty sure that was done by sticking something up his ass. Repeat as needed, don't use a random male masseuse.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (3, Interesting)

dbIII (701233) | about 8 months ago | (#44743839)

I thought they put Stalin under an enormous block of concrete ... just in case. That's how the Russian joke about Stalin's tomb goes anyway.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44744683)

Actually this is Lenin who is embalmed in a glass case in Moscow.

Re:The Real Secret Of Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44761159)

Stalin != Lenin

Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (-1, Redundant)

Newtonian_p (412461) | about 8 months ago | (#44741877)

Linux for Workgroups 3.11

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742009)

How original.
Not only did we see that 'joke' in the previous 10+ articles on Slashdot about 3.11 releases candidates, but even the comments that were posted before yours mention that 'joke'.
Really, great stuff, just keep repeating the same 'joke'; gets better and more original every time.

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 8 months ago | (#44742817)

Really, great stuff, just keep repeating the same 'joke'; gets better and more original every time.

You have just described the history of comedy since Aristophanes

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742069)

Linux for Workgroups 3.11

But.... does it have a gui?

Re:Linux for Workgroups 3.11 (1)

Provocateur (133110) | about 8 months ago | (#44744001)

That's right, the f stands for 'for' and is not, as you would like to believe, a description of what Linux was doing to those Workgroups

Only 3.11? (-1)

bennomatic (691188) | about 8 months ago | (#44741949)

I'm mad as hell that they didn't release version 4!!!1!

Wait. What day is it? Apple's release isn't for 8 days. Sorry... wrong product.

Re:Only 3.11? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742037)

Hilarious.
Such a funny comment.
Let's use our karma to vote up this splendid, humorous comment.
I can see it already has "Score:2", this is bound to become a "Score:5 Funny" comment.
So original.

I also like how you wrote "4!!!1!", pretending to press 1 instead of ! in excitement.
Must be the first time I've seen that anywhere on the Internet.
Good work.

Re:Only 3.11? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44743477)

And why is it, exactly, that haven't you killed yourself yet?

Re:Only 3.11? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742311)

Reminds me of a comment by an overpaid manager saying that Windows was more mature because it was at version 7 while Linux was behind at 3.

Re:Only 3.11? (2)

aztracker1 (702135) | about 8 months ago | (#44743589)

Well, Ubuntu is on version 13, so we should definitely be using that.

Re:Only 3.11? (2)

bennomatic (691188) | about 8 months ago | (#44749135)

Remember the browser-version wars? I think that IE jumped from 2.1 to 4 in a matter of weeks. Eventually, Google and Firefox took it to the logical extreme, changing major revision numbers ever 12 minutes. I guess it's still going on...

Linux 3.11 Beautiful Disaster (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742071)

Beautiful disaster
Flyin' down the street again
I tried to keep up
You wore me out and left me ate up
Now I wish you all the luck
You're a butterfly in the wind without a care
A pretty train crash to me and I can't care
I do I don't whatever /in all seriousness, it's all good Linux 3.11

next version (0)

wbr1 (2538558) | about 8 months ago | (#44742125)

Will be forked: Linux 95 and Linux nt 3

I'm not going to let you succeed (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742209)

going to make it fake device hotter and more useless slower more wires. won't matter I'm ahead breaking the next one obsolete skills of the chain throw away break your capacity again, changes the connectors, bury you in more wires, useless converters, change a bunch more things here and there broadcast cancer into your body . you are not authorized to do that . Heaters for all! bake toxics to your brain

Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (0)

Burz (138833) | about 8 months ago | (#44742219)

* Kernel panic when I set my sleeping Thinkpad on my desk and plug in USB hub, displayport and power.

* Bluetooth audio freaking out pretty much anytime

* As soon as desktop apps start to push into swap memory, system freezes in endless swap loop (great way to wear out my SSD).

* Any time the system is taxed more than 70%, mouse pointer gets jumpy

Android would be a similar mess if Google had not laid down the law as to what kernel changes were necessary for mobile.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (-1, Flamebait)

iggymanz (596061) | about 8 months ago | (#44742255)

of course, the problem couldn't be your stinkpad is a piece of shit with problems no one use is having. oh noes

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (3, Insightful)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 8 months ago | (#44742367)

isn't linux suppose to run on a toaster? But whenever someone brings up a problem its their piece of shit, and of course no one is having issues, no one else fucking uses it

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 8 months ago | (#44742565)

From the litany of problems listed, it sounds like there might be hardware issues, but drivers are a possibility as well.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742779)

dollars to doughnuts it works fine with windows, but nope not a linux problem, no sir

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (1)

Burz (138833) | about 8 months ago | (#44742853)

Sorry, no hardware issues. Everything works perfectly in diagnostics and Windows 7...and by "everything" I also mean all the other hardware functions I can't even try to use under Linux.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44744309)

Sorry, no hardware issues. Everything works perfectly in diagnostics and Windows 7

The first does not follow from the other.

One common problem is broken hardware, with an undocumented workaround in the Windows driver. Or a broken Windows standard driver, with an undocumented workaround in the hardware.

Once you get the BIOS involved, it gets even worse. Nowadays, the BIOS can do things differently depending on the OS. One motherboard had a BIOS workaround for an old bug in a 2.6 or 2.4 kernel. The next kernel version fixed the bug, and that motherboard stopped working under Linux. Make the Linux kernel identify itself to the BIOS as being XP, and everything works.

And then there's the (hardware or BIOS) features that doesn't get used by the current version of Windows, and so nobody bothers implementing them correctly. Linux, however, uses those features, and thus doesn't work. When the next Windows version uses those features, we often end up back at broken hardware with a workaround in the Windows driver.

An example: Linux was among the first to support the ATA TRIM command, and certain CD-ROM drives (I think), rather than responding with "No such command, this is not an SSD", instead entered firmware flashing mode. Not just a case of Linux not working with the drive, the drive was actually bricked in that the firmware was overwritten with random data.

Another: The Samsung UEFI machines that did not check the size of the data sent to the UEFI non-volatile RAM area. Windows only sent a few K, so no problem there. Linux used it for crash logging, and rather than reporting "not enough memory", UEFI gladly filled the entire area, leaving no space for it's own use, which was required to boot any OS.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (1)

Burz (138833) | about 8 months ago | (#44747397)

Thanks for the litany of excuses, but at least half of the problems (like the swapping and mouse pointer problems) encountered on Linux desktops have nothing to do with drivers. Its mainly due to software architecture that's poorly suited to desktop environments.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44752191)

in other words linux is perfect, its your fault for having defective hardware, but least this AC was nice about it

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 8 months ago | (#44743849)

Linux IS drivers. Just because MS outsourced important bits of their kernel to every random hardware manufacturer out there doesn't mean it's the only way to do it.
In other news bleeding edge stuff bleeds sometimes. If you want something more solid use a version that has been tested a bit more.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44746481)

Nope, Dell Inspiron N5110 does all of those, except BT sound issues, which weren't tested. Debian 7.1.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44744399)

You're thinking of NetBSD.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (2)

epyT-R (613989) | about 8 months ago | (#44742357)

you could try upgrading your kernel to get access to newer driver revisions.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... ;) (3, Interesting)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 8 months ago | (#44742687)

You obviously don't know what you're doing, and it's your fault for choosing junk, uncommon hardware. BTW, real men use a PS/2 mouse rather than new fangled USB thing. The cursor stays responsive in swap hell when it doesn't have to go through a USB stack.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (1)

EmperorArthur (1113223) | about 8 months ago | (#44742709)

Please tell us what distro you're using so we can start a flame war. :D

On a more serious note, How do you know it's a kernel panic? Is it in the logs? Does it drop to a terminal saying it? Except for the kernel panic part, I'd say that most of these things seem to be GUI and sound related. Have you checked the nice values for those systems. It could be that their "process priority" is the same as everything else. Most distros try to make sure that essential user mode processes and drivers are running with high priority, and background tasks run with low priority. Though apparently systemd uses cgroups to do that stuff, instead of process ids.

Just some food for thought. In a nutshell it sounds like X11 is a piece of crap.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (2)

blackiner (2787381) | about 8 months ago | (#44742929)

3.8 is what Ubuntu is stuck on at the moment I believe, probably what he is using... Their kernel updates are pretty barebones too, it is basically just the plain old 3.8.0 kernel. GP, you should at least try a fedora liveCD or something, they package a pretty solid build of Linux these days. And if you were using the latest Ubuntu version, I'll just say I had a bunch of issues with it too, so please try something else.

Re:Lovin' my Linux 3.8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44743809)

I hope you've reported these bugs.

Kernel Newbies (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44742579)

If you're going to post Linux release announcements, remember to link the Kernel Newbies page, since they document the big changes.
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.11

Re:Kernel Newbies (3, Informative)

NotBorg (829820) | about 8 months ago | (#44744447)

And don't be an asshole like this guy who provided a URL that you can't click on. http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.11 [kernelnewbies.org]

Re:Kernel Newbies (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44746001)

The link says:

Another use is for creating an initially unreachable file, write whatever you want into it, fchmod()/fchown()/fsetxattr() it as you wish, then atomically link it in, already fully set up.

But it doesn't mention which system call to use for the last step. Which system call can be used to create a new link in the file system based on an open file descriptor?

Re:Kernel Newbies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44753971)

Which system call can be used to create a new link in the file system based on an open file descriptor?

linkat(fd, "", AT_FDCWD, newname, AT_EMPTY_PATH);
Only root can do this.

Did he say "audio"? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 8 months ago | (#44742807)

I should probably go take a closer look. I've been disappointed so many times, though, that my expectations are not high.

I'm sure someone has already said this, but the fact that this is Linux 3.11 means that the next version will be Linux NT.

Re:Did he say "audio"? (1)

Burz (138833) | about 8 months ago | (#44742863)

I'm sure someone has already said this, but the fact that this is Linux 3.11 means that the next version will be Linux NT.

And it really should be.

Nicely coincides with... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44743279)

the takeover of Nokia by Microsoft - remember the N9* line of devices running Linux back in the days ? (slightly off topic, but still vaguely related to Linux)

article number 3.11 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44743301)

This is article number 3.11 on /. about this release. I am starting to think its a bit like Voyager leaving the Solar System - left, no wait, ok left, no wait, yes it has left....

Next big one will be the PI release which will be completely irrational and instead of a binary system, will have infinite digits.

Sound fixes are more extensive FANTASTIC (5, Interesting)

deviated_prevert (1146403) | about 8 months ago | (#44743499)

Sound fixes and hardware support [indiana.edu] are moving along at full steam. From what I am reading most of the problems with Dell laptops should be ironed out and some nasty problems with HDA intel on Baytrails are finally fixed.

What is really fantastic is the extended support for pro usb devices from Roland and Yamaha. It should be very possible to create a really effective cheap laptop DAW running Linux tuned for RT audio without having to mess install drivers the way you do with Windows. Not that you could not use these devices in the past it was just difficult to set them up correctly because alsa had trouble working with most Roland mixers and the like the only way to do it sometimes was using a stupid setup that was flaky as hell.

I hope this kernel version is adopted quickly by the Ubuntu Studio guys, but if necessary I will roll my own so I can use Roland usb devices with my laptop!

Re:Sound fixes are more extensive FANTASTIC (1)

Flammon (4726) | about 8 months ago | (#44745251)

I'm sure Saucy will run on 3.11. There's already a release in the mainline PPA.

http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11-saucy/ [ubuntu.com]

Re:Sound fixes are more extensive FANTASTIC (1)

deviated_prevert (1146403) | about 8 months ago | (#44747857)

I'm sure Saucy will run on 3.11. There's already a release in the mainline PPA.

http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11-saucy/ [ubuntu.com]

Thanks, great, think I will do a complete re-install though as there are a few things I have messed up trying to compile a specialized ffmpeg dlna stuff. What I am trying to do is create a real time dlna output with audio straight from input. Not an easy task. Would make a neat interface if you could create a stream directly from ffmpeg recording input. I am sure it can be done with existing libraries but scripting it is not easy.

Re:Sound fixes are more extensive FANTASTIC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44745545)

Just pacman -Syyu and be happy (aka switch to Arch and get the release in about a week).

nomasteryoda

Re:Sound fixes are more extensive FANTASTIC (1)

Nimey (114278) | about 8 months ago | (#44745695)

And then swear next month when the Arch devs make another major change that breaks your system if you forget to read the front page first for things that must be changed manually before running pacman.

No thanks, it's much easier to compile my own kernel on a Debian-descended distro.

Let me, let ME! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#44744533)

Without reading any of the previous comments, let me add a unique joke about the version numbering and the fact that we're talking about linux...... :D

IS THIS THE YEAR OF LINUX FOR THE WORKGROUPS

HAR HAR HAR :)

Re:Let me, let ME! (0)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | about 8 months ago | (#44744751)

Without reading any of the previous comments

Yeah, right... You are only the 32497234th person to do that joke because of not reading previous comments...

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Linux Today (1)

zerogravity_1 (2979905) | about 8 months ago | (#44774179)

Most people do not realize that Linux even exists, yet without it, the internet will be a costly place. The common would not be able to have any money left if he/she bought a computer and software. But today, it's possible to not go bankrupt and still buy a nice computer. Now, I know that many people, me included, regards Mac OS X as one of the greatest and most innovative operating systems ever made, but Linux is still much, much more important. Without it, computers would be toys for the sort of people who spend their weekends with other people who constantly brag about their new Range Rover or new mansion, not for PEOPLE, like you and me.
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