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Amazon Finally Bundles Ebooks With Printed Books

timothy posted about a year ago | from the smart-default dept.

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nk497 writes "Amazon is bundling ebooks with print copies for the first time, via its Kindle MatchBook programme, admitting that 'bundling print and digital has been one of the most requested features from customers.' The digital copies won't all be free — as with AutoRip, which offers free MP3s for selected CDs and records — but Amazon promises to charge no more than $3 per digital copy. The programme will apply to books bought as far back as Amazon's 1995 launch. So far, only 10,000 books are listed as being part of Kindle MatchBook, but Amazon hopes to add more, telling publishers it 'adds a new revenue stream.'"

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So the value of an ebook is $3? (0, Troll)

Rastl (955935) | about a year ago | (#44747173)

Amazon has now stated that an ebook should sell for $3. After all, if it had the same value as the dead tree version it wouldn't be priced so low.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44747251)

No, because you've paid for the base content already. That's like saying if a restaurant offers you a free dessert with the purchase of an entree, the dessert must be worth $0.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44747347)

Ah, the good ole' flawed physical analogy...

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | about a year ago | (#44747443)

But if a restaurant emails you a free photo of a dessert you just ate and paid for, then the photo must be worth $0.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

lgw (121541) | about a year ago | (#44747821)

No, the analogy is correct. Physical printing and distribution is a tiny part of the cost of a mass marker paperback - 5%-10%, depending on volume.

All the significant costs for crating a book are fixed costs, not per-unit costs: the author's advance, copy-editing (which can get expensive for genre books - someone has to double-check usage of all those made-up words), page layout for printing and/or ebook formatting, marketing costs, and so on.

The cost of a book is your share of the one-time costs, not the 50 cents the actual printing and shipping costs.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (3, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#44747943)

If I've bought a hardcopy I've paid my share of fixed costs.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44748149)

You've paid your share of the fixed costs of the PHYSICAL medium... Now it's time to pay your share of the fixed cost to GENERATE and HOST ebooks/pdfs.

Although the "master" copy of the book is most likely in digital form somewhere, you can't say with a straight face that it costs nothing to turn that into something available on amazon (or elsewhere). Time to convert it to the standard ebook/pdf, programming to provide service, hard drive space, electricity, ISP charges, etc... Its undoubtedly less, when considering mass "production", than $3/per but it's still Amazon's prerogative to make money.

(I say this knowing full well that I'll "pirate" PDF/ebooks for stuff I already "own" without guilt. I wouldn't consider paying $10-15+ for an ebook when I have the physical copy... I will consider up to $3, personally, just to know I'm not getting a bad copy - virus', bad scans, etc.)

(I wish this was an option for audio-books... I can't see myself paying $10 for a paper book and then $45 for the audio book, which is too common. I don't buy audio books for this reason, although I own the hard copies for most of my audio books)

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44748701)

Yeah pretty sure it costs about $0.10 to generate and host an ebook, as well as to send it to me.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about a year ago | (#44748745)

You've paid your share of the fixed costs of the PHYSICAL medium... Now it's time to pay your share of the fixed cost to GENERATE and HOST ebooks/pdfs.

Although the "master" copy of the book is most likely in digital form somewhere, you can't say with a straight face that it costs nothing to turn that into something available on amazon (or elsewhere). Time to convert it to the standard ebook/pdf, programming to provide service, hard drive space, electricity, ISP charges, etc... Its undoubtedly less, when considering mass "production", than $3/per but it's still Amazon's prerogative to make money.

(I say this knowing full well that I'll "pirate" PDF/ebooks for stuff I already "own" without guilt. I wouldn't consider paying $10-15+ for an ebook when I have the physical copy... I will consider up to $3, personally, just to know I'm not getting a bad copy - virus', bad scans, etc.)

(I wish this was an option for audio-books... I can't see myself paying $10 for a paper book and then $45 for the audio book, which is too common. I don't buy audio books for this reason, although I own the hard copies for most of my audio books)

Unless the general book market is a lot different than what I have seen working in more specialized areas, I doubt very seriously that you'll find a publisher willing to accept a manuscript submitted on typewritten pages. Unless maybe it was from Stephen King, where it would be worth it to pay a typist. And King isn't a Luddite anyway. He's been using computers longer than a lot of people.

There is a certain amount of work to be done in converting to ebook format, but not that much. The computer-ready manuscript already needs to be made flexible by the initial editors, since a book will often be printed in different form factors: hardbound, trade edition, paperback. And book files are generally pretty compact by Terabyte standards, so a single drive could hold much, if not all of their entire inventory. Drives are cheap. Servers are cheap. Even electricity isn't that expensive. In short, ebook costs above and beyond the basics required for hardcover publication aren't going to be that high. I won't say that there's a flat minimum price I'd pay for the ebook edition, although any publisher who wants to throw one in for free gets my hearty approval.

And, of course, the ones who charge more for unshareable electronic editions than the paperback price can go sit in the corner,

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44748823)

You've paid your share of the fixed costs of the PHYSICAL medium

That's what's usually called "marginal costs" [wikipedia.org] , which is why it is by no means called "fixed costs" by anyone (well, by anyone who knows what he's talking about).

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

cream wobbly (1102689) | about a year ago | (#44749947)

anyone who knows what he's talking about

Do tell! Do these things include marketing (which Amazon won't have to pay because it is selling these as an "upgrade" item to people who already own a different edition)?

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44750333)

Do tell! Do these things include marketing (which Amazon won't have to pay because it is selling these as an "upgrade" item to people who already own a different edition)?

You think publishers pay for marketing?

Oh, sure, they do, if you're Stephen King or JK Rowling[1]. For everyone else, maybe they'll send your book to a newspaper reviewer and ask them to review it, if they really think it's worth pushing.

[1] Except when you're JK Rowling publishing under a pseudonym, when you get as much marketing as any other unknown first time writer. That is, probably none.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44749113)

Although the "master" copy of the book is most likely in digital form somewhere, you can't say with a straight face that it costs nothing to turn that into something available on amazon (or elsewhere). Time to convert it to the standard ebook/pdf, programming to provide service, hard drive space, electricity, ISP charges, etc...

A typical e-book is 0.5MB. The cost to store that and distribute it to you is less than one cent.

Here's how I create e-books: I take the print version, I run a script to convert it to HTML using a custom style sheet, I run a script to pack all the relevant files into one .zip file, I upload that to Amazon and enter the relevant details on the publish page, then I hit 'publish'.

I'm guessing a trade publisher can justify charging thousands of dollars for that, but it's essentially trivial if you know what you're doing.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

lgw (121541) | about a year ago | (#44748687)

There are additional fixed costs to prepare each format of a book: hardcopy, paperback, mass market paperback, ebook, etc. The $3 pricing model for each format after the first makes a lot of sense to me.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44748129)

So essentially, the analogy would be correct if the cost of actually buying the ingredients, making the dessert and serving it would be a tiny part of the price for the recipe, that's what you're saying?

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

lgw (121541) | about a year ago | (#44748767)

You're already paying for the server's time, the restaurant overhead, and so on. Whether it's a $20 dinner with free desert, a $20 desert with free dinner, or somewhere in between is just marketing.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#44747919)

The flawed physical analogy is that electronic "goods" cost nothing to duplicate. If I have paid for the hardcover and they want $3 for the ebook, fuck 'em, I'll go to TPB for the ecopy because I already paid for the damned content when I bought the hardcover.

I'm really sick of the greed these days. Charging extra for an e version when I've paid for it already is just plain wrong. Those people must have no shame or morals at all.

And they have the gall to call pirates "thieves".

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (0)

Cinder6 (894572) | about a year ago | (#44748229)

You seem to think that creating an ebook version of a book is free. It's not. There may be no variable costs in creating more copies of an ebook (actually, there are, but they are so vanishingly small that they may as well be zero), but the fixed cost still exists. It's not surprising that the publishers want to recoup this cost and turn a profit; they aren't running a charity.

I'm not sure why so many /.ers don't seem to get this. Doubly so for people who think that all ebooks should cost only $1. But you know what the beauty is? If you think something isn't worth the price, you don't buy it. If enough people agree with you that it's overpriced, the price will go down.

For myself, I don't think I'll buy too many books at $3, but I would be willing to in some cases. I'll be much more tempted by the books on offer for $1 each.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | about a year ago | (#44748521)

But you know what the beauty is? If you think something isn't worth the price, you don't buy it. If enough people agree with you that it's overpriced, the price will go down.

And if even more people agree with you, you can modify copyright laws, impose price controls, and generally regulate the market. If authors think they're getting a raw deal, they can always wait tables. Of course it's unlikely authors will take their ball and go home; relatively few independent authors make a living solely from writing now -- lots of them have day jobs or rely on outside support. The money's nice to get, no question, but for many authors it is not the only reason to write and often not the most important reason.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

lgw (121541) | about a year ago | (#44748659)

The "variable costs in creating more copies of" a physical book are vanishingly small as well, something else /.ers don't seem to get. There's very little difference. There are some additional costs to prepare both a physical book and an ebook for printing, and many shared costs.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

timmyf2371 (586051) | about a year ago | (#44748517)

I'm really sick of the greed these days. Charging extra for an e version when I've paid for it already is just plain wrong.

If you have already paid for the e-version then yes, charging extra is wrong. If you haven't paid for the e-version, then you haven't paid your share of the additional typesetting and formatting costs and so charging extra is absolutely correct.

Now, my moral compass is such that when I got my Kindle, I downloaded all my paper books from sites like Mobilism and TPB because I have already paid for the content (I do pay for ebooks that I have not yet purchased offline or online). But it doesn't negate the point that there are additional costs incurred with providing an ebook over and above just writing the content.

Is $3 a reasonable cost? For most books, I'd say so. For popular books, they are probably raking it it.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

Rastl (955935) | about a year ago | (#44747631)

You're paying twice for the same content, just in a different format. That's the difference between a physical book and an ebook.

I don't know that you can use a food analogy here since the content isn't consumed once.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44747283)

I know RTFA is frowned upon, but even from RTFS and a bit of reading comprehension you will realise that it goes something like: book = full dead tree price, eBook = full digital price, book + eBook = full dead tree price + $3.

captcha: smolders

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44749845)

Likewise, with a bit of reading comprehension on your part, you'd have realized that what OP was saying is "if book = full dead tree price, and book + eBook = full dead tree price + $3, then Amazon is saying that the eBook price should be $3, regardless of what the price is now".

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

91degrees (207121) | about a year ago | (#44747293)

And their customers have stated that an eBook, without a dead tree version, should sell for whatever they're willing to pay. Who are Amazon to argue with their customers over this matter?

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

cellocgw (617879) | about a year ago | (#44747727)

And their customers have stated that an eBook, without a dead tree version, should sell for whatever they're willing to pay. Who are Amazon to argue with their customers over this matter?

So now you know why I practically never ever pay for an ebook. Aside from the well-discussed problems of DRM (thanks again, ignoble*.py), I view the prices of e-books as drastically out of line with cost. No diff from the insane premium music CDs commanded over vinyl. So until ebook prices drop to maybe $5 or so, fuggedabadit.
Heck, in all honesty, I'd probably drift over to a NetFlix-style rental system if such existed. Pay, say $1 or so to rent a book for a month or so. That's more or less equivalent, admittedly in my personal accounting, to supporting my local dead-tree library.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (3, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#44748001)

Heck, in all honesty, I'd probably drift over to a NetFlix-style rental system if such existed. Pay, say $1 or so to rent a book for a month or so.

Wow, you kids are sure willing to part with your hard-earned cash for shit that used to be free. TV shows, bottled water, books... you can "rent" a book from the public library for free. If I'd had to pay for all the books I've read in my life it would take more money than I've ever earned.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44748169)

If someone had to pay you for all the time you spent reading free books it would take more money than you've ever earned as well. Time isn't free. Spending it on shitty outdated library books is frequently an exercise in squandering resources, ignoring the risk adjustment that goes with the probability of success investing resources on identifying if the library has the book you are looking for.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44748651)

You only find shitty outdated libarry books at a shitty outdated library. The library here gets brand new books (and movies and CDs) constantly. And BTW, Asimov's Foundation is just as good as it was when he wrote it -- and I was an infant then.

And I read on my FREE time.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

cellocgw (617879) | about a year ago | (#44748403)

I understand -- and I rented a zillion library books in my youth as well. Now that I'm old and rich ( :-) ) I can enjoy the luxury of paying a buck or two to 'rent' a book without having to leave my comfy chair & wolpies.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44748647)

My library actually does do ebook lending; your local library might do so as well.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#44748827)

you can "rent" a book from the public library for free

I can't rent a *current* tech book from my public library, but if I could, the round-trip gas cost for a two-week rental is about $2.

If somebody were willing to rent me the current book online for a month for 99 cents, I'd be a fool to not take the offer.

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (2)

DarkTempes (822722) | about a year ago | (#44748605)

Amazon doesn't set book prices. Publishers set book prices. Well, unless selling at a loss, which is part of what the big price fixing lawsuit was about as publishers didn't want to let Amazon do that.

It's obvious to everyone that ebooks don't cost $8 to $15 to produce and distribute. Publishers have always said that they set ebook prices higher to prop up dead tree sales.
This makes some sense as hardcover sales are still very important for things like the New York Times' Bestsellers lists.
I think they also need to make back the money they make on the first run of books but I don't remember exactly how the publisher<->book store monetization works (I remember something about unsold books getting their covers ripped off and publishers not making money on those books?).

I imagine Amazon negotiated with the publishers and was like "Hey, people really want to bundle ebooks with their dead tree books and we could all make a little extra cash if you let us bundle ebooks at a reduced price without hurting your dead tree sales!"

Re:So the value of an ebook is $3? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44748627)

no.. they've stated that people will pay three bucks for text of a book you bought alredy while they will give you digital copy of an audio file ripped from a cd for free.

book publishers are ripoff artists, that's their message.

Thanks to the competition (2)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about a year ago | (#44747193)

Fortunately, Amazon is not alone on the online books market. Other companies (eg some publishers) sell books online along with a free PDF. This is why competition has to be kept alive, and Amazon should not be the only choice when it comes to purchasing books, movies or music.

Re:Thanks to the competition (1)

PRMan (959735) | about a year ago | (#44747935)

Is there even any competition to buy MP3s besides Amazon?

Re:Thanks to the competition (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44748831)

iThink iHeard of something.

Re:Thanks to the competition (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | about a year ago | (#44749647)

Not actually answering your question, there are other places selling *unprotected* music. Does it absolutely have to be MP3? e.g. iTunes songs are AAC, but have no copy protection.

emusic sells mp3s, and amplified.com, and I think a lot of other places. (I got a ton of free music with the now-dead pepsilootstore app that simply gave you free credits on amplified.com.)

I can see how a PDF would be useful on a computer, but would it be useful on an e-reader? Not as much, I don't think so, e.g. no reflowing/resizing, etc.

Re:Thanks to the competition (1)

allamericancomp (2684019) | about a year ago | (#44749229)

They are defiantly not the only game in town but they have the most brand recondition.

Re:Thanks to the competition (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year ago | (#44749611)

Great, now I have visions of Jeff Bezos standing in front of a crowd yelling. "We. Are. Not. The Only. Game in Town. We will NEVER, NEVER, be the only game in town. We're proud to not be the only game in town! For as long as I live, I swear, as I stand in front of you, we are NOT going to be the only game in town!" followed by cheers from adoring (uh-huh) Amazon staff.

I suspect you meant "definitely", though, rather than "defiantly."

Re:Thanks to the competition (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44749425)

Who are they - tell me so that I can buy from them.

Kindlesplosion. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44747205)

If there's automatic matching for even a percentage of the books Amazon has sold, I suspect my Kindle is going to explode. I don't want to think of how many books I've purchased from them over the years.

Also, is this going to apply to second-hand/used purchases? Hm.

Re:Kindlesplosion. (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about a year ago | (#44748115)

An article (possibly even TFA, but I wouldn't know) I read earlier said that it will only apply to purchases of new books, not used. Probably only those fulfilled by Amazon, too.

When I can buy an ebook... (0)

Type44Q (1233630) | about a year ago | (#44747215)

When I can buy an ebook for the same price as a used copy of an actual book, we'll talk. Until then, I'm not falling for it.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44747613)

I used to think that, but at some point I can't keep doing it. What the hell am I supposed to do with the books? I have an entire wall covered in them. Unless I want my house to look like a library something has to give.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (2)

Type44Q (1233630) | about a year ago | (#44747741)

Unless I want my house to look like a library

Sounds like a dream-come-true to me. :p

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

suutar (1860506) | about a year ago | (#44747761)

I wouldn't mind that, but that much wall space is pricey. (Add in the wall space for framed posters and such and we're getting into 'need a fractal house' territory :)

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44747777)

Go look at what shelves/bookcases cost and get back to me. I am already putting up shelf supports and wood planks as that is cheaper than real bookcases.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#44748131)

$59.00 for a 6 shelf tall unit. IKEA is your friend.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44748275)

Now go find one the wife will tolerate, not some particle board thing.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44748957)

Now go find one the wife will tolerate, not some particle board thing.

If a particle board shelf looks that bad, its because you assembled it wrong. The shiny side is supposed to face up and front, not down and away.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44749025)

Until it gets a single scratch or starts to sag as it will with time. Buying good furniture once vs buying that stuff over and over is worth it.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#44750611)

No it's not.

$60.00 shelf every 2 years versus $2500 "good stuff" Yes I know how much the overpriced anal rape "good stuff" costs, I used to have a trophy wife that though money = happiness.

You can buy shelves for the next 80 years for the price difference.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#44750585)

Go find a wife that is not a high maintaince money grubbing type. If she freaks out at those you need to ditch her as soon as you possibly can.

You will save a LOT more in the long run.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#44748853)

$59.00 for a 6 shelf tall unit. IKEA is your friend.

Can that support books without bowing? I'm under the impression that IKEA sells meatballs and compressed sawdust, but that's just from hearsay, they don't have them around here.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44749101)

I am sure it can for a very short time.
The food is decent, the particle board furniture is good for what it is. They are meant to generally be decorative and not that durable.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44749131)

IKEA sells meatballs and compressed sawdust

The meatballs are also made of compressed sawdust.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44749137)

Our non-IKEA book shelves are made from compressed sawdust. They don't bow unless you try to fit three layers of books onto a shelf designed for one.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

geminidomino (614729) | about a year ago | (#44749177)

If it's anything like the IKEA shelves I've seen, it can't support itself without bowing.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

Cro Magnon (467622) | about a year ago | (#44748341)

I don't mind my house looking like a library. But there's a non-trivial chance that if I kept buying physical books, I'd hit critical mass and my entire house would collapse into a black hole.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

geminidomino (614729) | about a year ago | (#44749617)

But there's a non-trivial chance that if I kept buying physical books, I'd hit critical mass and my entire house would collapse into a black hole.

You'd be lucky to get off with a black hole.

It can get so much more dangerous [wikipedia.org]

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44748915)

I prefer to keep the homeless drug addicts out of my home. ;)

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (2)

lgw (121541) | about a year ago | (#44747855)

This is it in a nutshell (dammit, I hate agreeing with h4rr4r ). I have a bedroom converted to a library, and about 1000 physical books, and I regularly purge them when I move. If I could find a reader I actually like, I'd be happy to stick to ebooks and recorded books in the future.

For a DRMed ebook, I'll pay no more than a paperback, because both have a diminishing chance to still be readable as the years pass. But a DRM-free ebook? I'll happily pay hardback prices, because I literally have a ton of hardbacks already, don't really need more.

Re:When I can buy an ebook... (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#44748085)

I used to think that, but at some point I can't keep doing it. What the hell am I supposed to do with the books? I have an entire wall covered in them. Unless I want my house to look like a library something has to give.

Several years ago we bought my wife a Kindle for this very reason - our bookshelves were full, and we had resorted to stacking books on the floor in front of them! It's worked out quite well; and now my daughter and I both also own Kindles.

I still chafe at the DRM (which I strip, and save copies of the books to our main backup drive); but electronic books are very convenient. I'm now a believer.

Textbooks! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44747241)

Please do this with textbooks!

Re:Textbooks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44747375)

Why? They are just going to release n+1 th edition next year anyway.

What? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44747245)

Yes, because I want to buy a 1 pound paper wrapper for my ebook. By the time the publishing industry figures out how to adapt to technology it will be too late.

Re:What? (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | about a year ago | (#44747505)

I think you have things backwards. They aren't going to start only selling ebooks with paper books. They are going to give the ebooks additionally for a small fee. If you want you still can just buy the ebook alone.

And Amazon is not a publisher - it's just a retailer.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44749081)

Yes, I am aware Amazon is just a retailer. Hence the Amazon quote 'Kindle MatchBook should appeal to authors and publishers alike as it adds "a new revenue stream"' is meant to appease publishers who are used to charging near-paper price for their ebooks.

Re:What? (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44747535)

Yes, because I want to buy a 1 pound paper wrapper for my ebook. By the time the publishing industry figures out how to adapt to technology it will be too late.

Surely the logical fallacy of, "I'm a consumer, and thus every consumer on the planet is just like me, and thus if I have no need for a product or service than no such need exists" is already named?

Re:What? (1)

suutar (1860506) | about a year ago | (#44747929)

I've heard it referred to as "mirror image fallacy", mostly, but I don't know if that's a formal term. Looking at wikipedia's list of fallacies, it seems most like a subset of Hasty Generalization (generalizing, in this case, from a sample of 1).

Re:What? (1)

idontgno (624372) | about a year ago | (#44749095)

Or less generally, generalizing from a sample of "me".

But people are egoists, whether they realize it or not. "Of course, my opinion matters more. I'm normal. Anyone who disagrees with me is probably too dumb to matter."

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44749335)

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy [yourlogicalfallacyis.com]

I was only speaking for myself (hence the pronoun I), as in I am displeased that any sort of advancement in the publishing industry, with respect to electronic books, seems to be constantly tied to the printed media format. I have been known to enjoy many a paper book, reference and fiction alike, and so if this had been the opener to a massive campaign to sell more ebooks via the kindle launch (which I own), I would be on-board 100% of the way.

However, it's been almost six years since the release of the kindle, and there was no 'killer hub app' a la iTunes. Amazon wanted to be it, and was slapped down. Google is still in court over it. What this actually looks like to me is a very boring fight between publishers of books and a publisher of bits.

As a completist... (2)

91degrees (207121) | about a year ago | (#44747269)

I have several series in hardback that I'd like to continue with. But since I travel a lot, kindle is more convenient.

I would say I couldn't be happier about this, but I want this extended to audiobooks.

Re:As a completist... (1)

lgw (121541) | about a year ago | (#44747881)

Amazon today sells their Kindle+Audible bundle cheaper than the audiobook alone, though it's more than the per-audiobook price with an Audible subscription.

Re:As a completist... (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about a year ago | (#44748287)

though it's more than the per-audiobook price with an Audible subscription.

Depends. You can get a number of ebooks+audiobooks for less than the Audible subscription of $15. For instance, I just got David Brin's Existence for $8.54+$3.99 to tide me over until my next credit comes in. In the past, I bought The Man in the High Castle for $2 (Kindle Daily Deal) + 3.99, which was pretty cool.

O'Reilly's been doing this for years. (1)

wiredog (43288) | about a year ago | (#44747335)

Only they do it with multiple ebook formats.

Viva la ebook? (1)

Rinikusu (28164) | about a year ago | (#44747351)

I had no idea I would take to ebooks so vociferously. I checked my Amazon account recently and was astounded that I have over 200 titles in there that I've picked up (some free, many at the .99-1.99 range) over the years. I still buy dead trees (mostly programming references.. I have yet to embrace electronic documentation in full), but I did notice that Manning (?.. the ... In Action books) seems to include an ebook code in all of their print books.

Re:Viva la ebook? (1)

suutar (1860506) | about a year ago | (#44747983)

One thing I really wish they'd add to the kindle reader (they had it in the WebOS beta version, but that never left beta) is categories for books. Would be nice to be able to put all the books in a series into one category. (Being able to file a book into multiple categories, a la gmail 'labels', would be even better :)

Re:Viva la ebook? (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44749145)

My Kindle lets you put books in categories. Or do you mean they should automatically give you a category view using the categories from the Amazon site? That's what I'd like to see.

Re:Viva la ebook? (1)

suutar (1860506) | about a year ago | (#44749331)

I mean I'd like that functionality in the Kindle app on my android tablet and iphone. Though I can see why they might want that to be a reason to get an actual Kindle.

I've seen this before... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44747353)

BitLit.ca is doing exactly the same type of bundling but it's platform agnostic - it works for any book regardless of where it was purchased.

It's about time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44747365)

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SWEET!!! (1)

gravis777 (123605) | about a year ago | (#44747559)

This should keep me from scanning, OCRing and formatting books I bought off of Amazon just for the convienance of reading on an eReader. I was just so annoyed that print copies cost less than digital copies.

Re:SWEET!!! (3, Funny)

ericloewe (2129490) | about a year ago | (#44747745)

My God... How much time did you waste just scanning books?

Re:SWEET!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44750293)

My God... How much time did you waste just scanning books?

About 1 minute per 20 pages thanks to a $400 odd dollar scanner and a $200 guillotine "stack" cutter. Works great on magazines that aren't available digitally too. Added bonus, full OCR and zoomable pages for when you get old and e-read them. Also, it lets you keep hoarding without worrying about ending up on "that show".

Very nice (1)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | about a year ago | (#44747669)

There's definitely some titles sitting in a box somewhere I'd love to have the ebook for now that I've moved most of my reading to it (outside the out of print stuff they haven't deemed worthy of ebookness yet).

I've been pretty pleased with the AudioRip stuff on amazon - in a few cases its actually been cheaper (with Prime) to get the CD instead of the digital album (or maybe $0.50 difference). True that it starts out in the "cloud player" but its been easy enough to file the resulting files off to my home storage solution instead of doing the rips myself.

Big deal... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44747715)

A lot of the Baen hardcovers come packaged with CDs that contain multiple ebooks. If you buy a hardcover copy of, say, Mission of Honor, of the long-running Honor Harrington series, the packaged CD contains the *entire* series in multiple formats.

Re:Big deal... (2)

DarkAce911 (245282) | about a year ago | (#44747879)

Those have went away, the new deal Baen has with Amazon killed them.

I wonder about gifts (1)

flibbidyfloo (451053) | about a year ago | (#44748027)

Long after I started switching to eBooks, my wishlist still had print titles on it and I continued to receive them as gifts from friends and family that know I read a lot. I wonder if this will apply to those books that were purchased off my wishlist directly.

Of course they will only work on Kindle, since that's what Amazon sells. But that's easy enough to get around :)

TPB has been delivering this for years. (2, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#44748077)

I get all my Ebook versions of dead trees that Iown for free from TPB, and will continue to do so as I refuse to allow DRM on my books.

Re:TPB has been delivering this for years. (1)

Nimey (114278) | about a year ago | (#44748691)

Watch out, people, we've got a badass here. I'm sure you'd find some other excuse for pirating books even if they were DRM-free.

Nice attempt to claim the moral high ground when it's clear you don't have any morals.

Re:TPB has been delivering this for years. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#44750553)

If I am being compared to your morals, then I am proud to have NO morals at all compared to you, utterly beaming proud.

Retail bookstores (1)

phorm (591458) | about a year ago | (#44748615)

Hey Chapters/Indigo,

Retail bookstores need to do this. If they can get the pricing right, they might actually get my business back

Makes lending easier. (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | about a year ago | (#44748781)

I really wanted to get one of my friends into the "Planetary" series of comic books. I made the decision to buy them all for the Kindle. I'm not about to lend out my Kindle. Now I can lend out the hardcopy for someone to check out.

Matchbook for books bought at indie bookstores (1)

Peter Hudson (2843245) | about a year ago | (#44748997)

Matchbook is a great solution for print books purchased from Amazon... but what about all the books you buy at B&N, Chapters (Canada), your local indie bookseller, the used bookshop around the corner, or that you received as gifts? A Canadian start-up called BitLit (www.bitlit.ca [bitlit.ca] ) has developed a solution for print and eBook bundling no matter where you got the print copy. (Full disclosure, I'm one of the founders of BitLit). Simply write your name on the book's copyright page, submit a photo using the BitLit app, and download your free (or discounted) eBook. BitLit is set to launch on Android at the end of the month with select publishers. Feedback on the idea is most welcome.

This could be useful. (1)

RussR42 (779993) | about a year ago | (#44749577)

I would suggest an addition service be added to this program: I would like amazon to hold my physical copy of the book and send them to me should the ebook ever become unavailable to me.

Gifting (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | about a year ago | (#44749769)

I wonder how they will deal with buying books for gifts. If I bought a physical copy of a book and gave it as a gift to someone else, would I get a free/cheap Kindle copy to keep for myself?

Finally, a blinding flash of the obvious. (1)

gadget junkie (618542) | about a year ago | (#44750605)

I am Italian,and I always read books written in English in the original language. Over the years, I think I bought the "S" in Bezos. As soon as Ebooks came out, I thought about ways to get the books I bought in paper version electronically, and I expected Amazon to offer something like that.
After all, they know every book I bought off them over the years, and that I own a Kindle. It does not strike me as such a big insight to offer me, for a fee, my whole library in E-book form.
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