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Team Oracle Penalized For America's Cup Rules Violations

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the boat-tried-to-install-Ask-Toolbar-to-the-ocean dept.

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whoever57 writes "On Saturday, Oracle Team USA and Team New Zealand will begin racing for the America's Cup in the amazing AC72 boats. However, the Oracle team starts with a significant handicap. It was recently discovered that members of Oracle Team USA made illegal changes to the boats used in the America's Cup Series (which is sailed in the smaller AC45 boats). After a hearing on Friday, the International Jury has decided on the penalty: Team Oracle will have to pay a fine and sail without some team members. More significantly, they lose two points before starting the America's Cup races against Team New Zealand. A tiny amount of weight had been added to the kingpost, in violation of the measurement rules for the class. This was reported to the measurement committee some weeks ago after its discovery by boatbuilders working for America's Cup Regatta Management (ACRM), not members of Oracle Team USA."

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190 comments

Wow (5, Funny)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about a year ago | (#44753077)

I'm sure all six of the fans who watch this race are shocked.

Re:Wow (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44753173)

Given that NASCAR brings in people by the hundreds of thousands, I think that lack of popularity does not necessarily detract from the Americas Cup.

Re:Wow (-1, Flamebait)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year ago | (#44753297)

people like NASCAR cause its poor, trashy, and stupid, just like the majority here, not as many people find yachting with biff and buffy as interesting

Re:Wow (3, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44753401)

The irony is that a NASCAR team has a lot more in common with an Americas Cup team than with anything poor, trashy, or stupid.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44754039)

people like NASCAR cause its poor, trashy, and stupid.

NASCAR isn't poor.

Re:Wow (5, Informative)

BLKMGK (34057) | about a year ago | (#44753331)

Actually i watched some of the races in the run up to the cup and found it pretty interesting. The boats are sailing at as high as 50MPH with hulls nearly fully out of the water. There's tons of telemetry and the announcers are doing a decent job of explaining what's going on - it's actually fun to watch and you can see it takes a great deal of skill. Scoff if you want but I for one found it interesting, adding all of this telemetry really does add to it I think. It helps too that the boats are so damned advanced and fast!

Re:Wow (4, Informative)

deathguppie (768263) | about a year ago | (#44753883)

The America's cup is watched by millions. Team costs per syndicate are in the hundreds of millions making Indie racing or formula 1 a joke in comparison. What's more it is the least regulated form of racing (current situation not incumbering) of all the professional racing sports. 30 years ago they were racing mono-hull sailboats pounding through small waves. Now they are racing multihulls that litterally lift off the water on wings going faster than the traffic on the golden gate bridge and almost leaving the speed boats that trail them in the dust.
From my personal experience sailing a boat over 25knts the splashes start to feel like pebbles and then rocks hitting you.. the intensity of having a vehicle of that size moving at that speed is akin to taking Caterpillar 797 through a downhill from Pikes peak. It's amazing and a great sport at any level.

Re:Wow (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44754221)

the top four F1 teams each spend in excess of 200million euro, Ferrari close to 250million. 600 million tv viewers each year

Re:Wow (4, Insightful)

Solandri (704621) | about a year ago | (#44754005)

While it's regarded as a rich man's sport, the race has been a major driving force behind research into the use and manufacture of carbon fiber composite structures, and methods for determining computational solutions for the Navier-Stokes equation [wikipedia.org] (which is still unsolved, and is not even known if there is/isn't an algorithmic solution). The race creates an incentive for the super-rich to become early adopters of these technologies. Without the race they'd probably piss their money away on gold toilet seats or who could make the biggest megayacht. At least this way they're spending money on advancing the state of the art for technologies which will eventually benefit you and me.

Re:Wow (2)

dkf (304284) | about a year ago | (#44754183)

the Navier-Stokes equation [wikipedia.org] (which is still unsolved, and is not even known if there is/isn't an algorithmic solution)

The Navier-Stokes equation is strongly non-linear, so it's entirely expected that there are going to be very few exact algorithmic solutions (and most of those that exist are for cases where the non-linear terms are zero). The general problems with determining exact solutions to non-linear equations have been known for a long time in mathematics.

On the other hand, it does mean that turbulent flow is not about to become a boring subject to study.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44754189)

... methods for determining computational solutions for the Navier-Stokes equation ...

Just a minor quibble, you mean determining an analytical solution for N-S. There are computational methods available to solve it already - whether or not a closed form solution exists is the question.

Spare (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753081)

"Damn! Can't get rid of the servers that way, either!"

Re: Spare (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753097)

Dag nab it, I meant for subject to be "Sparc".

Re: Spare (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44754179)

Dag nab it, I meant for subject to be "Sparc".

I wouldn't fret. Nobody gave a fuck anyway!

Explanation... (5, Insightful)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year ago | (#44753083)

A tiny amount of weight had been added to the kingpost, in violation of the measurement rules for the class.

So that is where Larry Ellison hid the pennies he hears from ask.com toolbar spam on the Java installer.

Re:Explanation... (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year ago | (#44753089)

earns* dammit, stupid autocorrect

Re:Explanation... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753129)

yu bettier gat yer seplcker lokid at ef yt correyked 'earns' to 'hears'

Re:Explanation... (2)

guttentag (313541) | about a year ago | (#44753153)

So that is where Larry Ellison hid the pennies he hears from ask.com toolbar spam on the Java installer.

Ironically, TFA has an ad on the sidebar that exhorts the reader to install a "Customized Toolbar for Serious Sailors" by the site that is hosting TFA. The ad seems to move around, so if you're having trouble locating it, here's the gif itself [sail-world.com] . I wonder if Ellison has this toolbar installed... being a serious sailor and all.

Re:Explanation... (2)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year ago | (#44753807)

Not quite, I think this is related, though.

Apparently the shipbuilders for Oracle's boat didn't see the little checkbox to turn off "Install Kingpost PC (personal craft) speedup" before they agreed to the blueprints.

Re:Explanation... (1)

chickybrick (3033037) | about a year ago | (#44754007)

Can someone please explain why people say there's a toolbar in the Java installer? I have always gotten the JRE/JDK from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html [oracle.com] and have never encountered such a thing. Am I the only one who knows these even exist?

Sometimes I wonder if people have making life more difficult for themselves just to give them something to rant about.

Re:Explanation... (2)

vrt3 (62368) | about a year ago | (#44754071)

If people google for "java download" they get this page: . On that page there is a big red button called "Free Java Download". That's the most straightforward way to download Java, and it gives you an installer with the toolbar (at least on Windows; I don't know on other platformst).

Not only that: even if you install Java from a non-toolbar installer, the automatic updates (if they even work) use the toolbar-version of the installer AFAIK.

That's why people say there's a toolbar in the Java installer.

Re:Explanation... (3, Insightful)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year ago | (#44754075)

Can someone please explain why people say there's a toolbar in the Java installer? I have always gotten the JRE/JDK from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html [oracle.com] and have never encountered such a thing. Am I the only one who knows these even exist?

Most people just get it from the home page [java.com] , and that's a different installer.
Remember, a large number of people who get Java only do so because Pogo tells them to. For those people this [lmgtfy.com] is "surfing the internet". And they're going to click the first search result, which is that same installer. Yeah, your page is the third result, but they will ask "Is 'Java SE' the same as 'Java'?" and they'll skip it.

When the consumer version automatically notifies you of an update, the updater has the same type of installer (with the tag-along software), so you have to uncheck the option every time you update Java now.

Sometimes I wonder if people have making life more difficult for themselves just to give them something to rant about.

More difficult like digging through a tech-net website looking for a installation program, and coming to this page [oracle.com] (which would intimidate any non-techy person)?

No worries... (4, Funny)

JohnA (131062) | about a year ago | (#44753123)

Oracle is planning to sue the America's Cup team for violating their patents on "Boat API v1.0"... that'll teach them to build a boat using standard terms like hull, sail, and rudder!

Oh (2)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#44753135)

Somebody on Team Larry isn't going to get a bonus this year.

"miniscule" (5, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44753141)

Okay, from what I'm reading here, this sounds like a gross over-reaction and a lot of rich old people taking shit way, way, way too seriously -- over an apparent lead weight added to some doo-hicky mc-shippy thing which if I spent the next several hours orgasming over the idea of captaining an overly-expensive boat with no practical application other than being a giant penis floating through the waves, I might understand the function of.

Such as it is though, I'm a computer geek, and the only thing I understand is performance. And everything I've read is that the change was tiny, and would probably have less effect on the performance of the ship than whether one of the teammates ate at McDonald's and forgot to crap after. No, I'm perfectly serious -- it seems that all this hub-a-bub amounts to someone having nailed a few ounces of metal to some part of the ship and it would have next to no impact on the ship's performance. So from an engineering and sport performance perspective... it's a tempest in a teapot.

So why the angry rich people hating on Oracle? As far as I can tell, They're angry and running about calling it "cheating" over what appears to be a simple case of not understanding the horribly dense and overly-complicated rules, in a new ship class that just debuted this year.

It's like NASCAR finding out that someone used windex to clean the windshield instead of the pre-approved isopropyl alcohol mix and deciding it was cheating, that NASCAR's reputation was ruined, and the only way to fix it would be to put the driver and the entire pit team out for a good public flogging while the guy with the jet pack flies over head carrying an American flag hung upside down and a long banner saying "You assholes! You killed it for everyone."

Fucking rich people. If it were me, I'd say screw it, build a submarine, and go out there and play Jaws with their rich-ass ships, sinking all of them one by one while Ride of the Valkyries played from giant water-proof speakers... because if there's one thing I hate more than people taking themselves too seriously, it's taking themselves too seriously and being rich pompous bastards while doing it. -_-

Oracle... you heard it here first: Build a U-boat and go sink those rich asshats.

You say that like Oracle isn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753177)

Rich, or an asshat, failtroll.

Re:"miniscule" (3, Insightful)

whoever57 (658626) | about a year ago | (#44753193)

it seems that all this hub-a-bub amounts to someone having nailed a few ounces of metal to some part of the ship and it would have next to no impact on the ship's performance. So from an engineering and sport performance perspective... it's a tempest in a teapot.

That is the most puzzling part of this: why? any advantage would be far too small to make any difference to the outcome of a race.

So why the angry rich people hating on Oracle? As far as I can tell, They're angry and running about calling it "cheating" over what appears to be a simple case of not understanding the horribly dense and overly-complicated rules, in a new ship class that just debuted this year.

Last year, actually. It was an AC45 that was modified. These boats have been racing for over a year and are effectively a one-design class. This wasn't an accidental rule violation. This was weight added deliberately:

And:

Oracle... you heard it here first: Build a U-boat and go sink those rich asshats.

In this competition, Oracle are the richest of the rich asshats.

Re:"miniscule" (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753367)

That is the most puzzling part of this: why? any advantage
would be far too small to make any difference to the outcome
of a race.

Oracle are playing down the advantage it would give, and the local
media are lapping up that spin. Obviously if you are going to risk
your career over such a move (and make no mistake, the tampering is
no minor issue, look up the water ballast fiasco of a few years ago,
in the sport these guys are now the equivalent of Lance Armstrong)
you'd be damn sure in your mind that the advantage gained would be
worth that risk. The AC45s love the extra weight up forward and
since seconds count and the boats are supposed to be identical,
every little change translates to a big advantage.

This is intentional cheating, the scandal will be if they don't get
banned from the sport for years.

Re:"miniscule" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753839)

So big business is bending the rules just a tiny bit to get an advantage - what is new here?

Re:"miniscule" (2)

lxs (131946) | about a year ago | (#44754209)

They got caught.

Re:"miniscule" (3, Funny)

adolf (21054) | about a year ago | (#44753511)

Thank you for the linked citation. Your posting is exemplary in ways that many others fail.

I note one obvious problem with your citation: Therein, it is proclaimed that there are fans of Oracle.

Who are these "fans"? Please elaborate.

Re:"miniscule" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753623)

Hell, I'm an Oracle employee, and while I could not care less about Larry's giant penis-boat if I tried, I'm nonetheless overjoyed that they got caught.

Re:"miniscule" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753835)

So many of us feel the same way.

Re:"miniscule" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753819)

"why?"

Perhaps it has nothing to do with the weight, but some other property of the fill. eg: extra stiffness, vibration dampening, etc

Re:"miniscule" (5, Informative)

deathguppie (768263) | about a year ago | (#44753941)

The "king post" is what keeps the bow sprit from moving aft when pressure from the sail is added to it. The only reason for adding weight to it in this situation is if the bow happened to be rising to quickly. The rules imply that any wing shape added to the keel/centerboard must stay in the same angle/plane for the duration of the race. Designers skipped this rule by creating a moveable lifting plane on the bow of the boat. Tilting this plane lifts the boat up off of the water. However, this is a balancing act. It takes a lot of skill and design compitence to create and run one of these rigs. The NZ team was the first to figure out the cheat, and everyone else has been playing catch up. Team Oracles boat designed by Paul Burke, was not designed with the lifting planes originally intended. In this case some of the team members took it upon themselves to level the feild by adding weight to keep the bows from popping up to quickly and losing control of when they would and would not plane on the hydrofoils. It is a bit picky, but those people involved knew well what they were doing and went through lengths to cover it up. If they had just put a hunk of lead up there, judges would probably just have said "hey you can't do that".. but instead it was found buried purposely put there. That is pretty much willfull defiance of the rules. I'm an american shipwright from the northwest where these boats are built, so I'm definately on the US side.. but I see the significance of the decision, both ways.

Re:"miniscule" (1)

lxs (131946) | about a year ago | (#44754193)

That is the most puzzling part of this: why? any advantage would be far too small to make any difference to the outcome of a race.

It doesn't matter. It's the rules and rules are to be obeyed at all cost. That's what's so great about sports. It's like an old peoples home for authoritarian blowhards.

Re:"miniscule" (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44753197)

I think you pretty much have the gist of it - the speculation is that the weight replaced an instrument package or something else that was hanging there before. It was 5 lbs - less effect than an inch or two of a crewman's buttock on the rail.

That said, I'll remind you that rich "asshats" pretty much own all sports teams. NASCAR may have humble origins, but the teams are now owned by people who could just as well build a yacht.

Re:"miniscule" (2)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year ago | (#44753235)

There is a difference between the Americas Cup and NASCAR

If you want the best car in the world, New Zealand probably isn't the first choice.
If you want the best sailing boat in the world, New Zealand is the only choice.

Re:"miniscule" (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44753263)

Them Kiwis can sail!

Re:"miniscule" (3, Insightful)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year ago | (#44753393)

It's not really an international race though. Both Team New Zealand and Team Larry are skippered by Kiwis.

It's more like Auckland vs Wellington.

Re:"miniscule" (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44753411)

Pining for the days of Dennis Conner, are we?

Re:"miniscule" (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year ago | (#44754043)

Russell Coutts already beat Dennis Connor 0-5 back in 1995 when he sailed for Team New Zealand.
Dennis hasn't won anything since 1988.

Re:"miniscule" (1)

Sardaukar86 (850333) | about a year ago | (#44754217)

It's more like Auckland vs Wellington.

All is as it should be then. :)

Re:"miniscule" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753301)

Also, in sailing, you actually have to know how to steer.

Re:"miniscule" (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753225)

What a surprise, another horribly uninformed post by girlintraining.

Re:"miniscule" (0)

CodeBuster (516420) | about a year ago | (#44753323)

Okay, from what I'm reading here, this sounds like a gross over-reaction and a lot of rich old people taking shit way, way, way too seriously

Seriously, who gives a shit about yacht racing? It's an aristocratic hobby for east coast snobs with too much money and not enough good sense. Meanwhile the world is just a few steps away from military action in the middle east that could easily escalate into another massive war and possibly even a world war if it draws in Russia, Iran and Syria on the one side and the United States, Israel and NATO on the other. Ellison and his friends sure do have a fucked up sense of priorities racing their damned yachts in the midst of an international crisis. A pox on all their houses I say.

Re:"miniscule" (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year ago | (#44753377)

there's an international crisis every month, we cant stay all sheltered up and bunkered down for our entire lives

Re:"miniscule" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44754261)

It's an aristocratic hobby for east coast snobs

Which is a terribly US-centric remark for someone claiming to care about the rest of the world. There is more to life outside the US than international crises you know. Also, looking down on people because they have more money is as bad as looking down on people because they are poor. Luckily there are still plenty of good reasons to hate Larry Ellison.

Re:"miniscule" (2)

BLKMGK (34057) | about a year ago | (#44753365)

These boats are heavily heavily instrumented and tested - it was also not just one boat. I think that maybe they figured out that doing this was an advantage of some sort and thought they could get away with it. It's being made to sound really miniscule but one cannot help but wonder why they did it and then even denied having done it after being caught.

It's a cool race to watch and these boats seriously fly. When i watched the Oracle boat was stomping another boat pretty good and had a multiple knot advantage over it's competitor. If I were on the rules committee I'd be taking a VERY close look at the rest of those boats, I doubt this was the only change..

Re:"miniscule" (2)

kermidge (2221646) | about a year ago | (#44753477)

Nice. America's Cup has long had, and had a reputation for, arcane rules. Just as for the Formula cars, Indy, etc., the rules are meant to offer two things, a level playing field, and yet room for engineering and technical innovation and the manner in which the vehicle is driven within the rules that give that level field. A similar approach is done for smaller class boats but the rules are much simpler.

It's all supposed to boil down to how well one can design and build a boat (that's matched evenly with others) and then how well can one sail it.

America's Cup is indeed a playground for the rich. Yet one may readily and enjoyably participate in small class boat races at a local sailing club, often for no more money than just showing up and offering to crew. For more serious stuff it's generally expected that you have proper clothing, an approved harness and flotation jacket along with proper devices (lamp, flares, horn.) If you get up into Mackinac Race territory, then it starts getting serious, but even twenty, thirty years ago it was fairly casual. It's fine if one just wants to day-sail; but the small class boats offer an entry point to people with boats and practical small boat handling while dancing on the edge.

Re:"miniscule" (2)

whoever57 (658626) | about a year ago | (#44753677)

It's all supposed to boil down to how well one can design and build a boat (that's matched evenly with others) and then how well can one sail it.

The AC45 class (the type of boat in which this rule violation occurred) is supposed to be a manufacturer-supplied one-design boat. In this class, it should come down to only how well the boats are sailed -- the boats themselves should be identical.

Re:"miniscule" (2)

timeOday (582209) | about a year ago | (#44753611)

Okay, from what I'm reading here, this sounds like a gross over-reaction and a lot of rich old people taking shit way, way, way too seriously --

Have you heard about the covenants in gated communities? (Hope you don't want to ride a scooter! [islandpacket.com] ) You are talking about a bunch of rich guys. Their self-appointed function in life is to tell other people what to do, because they know better. The Augusta National golf club just started admitting blacks in 1990 and women just last year [nytimes.com] . Let us ponder on that for a moment.

Re:"miniscule" (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about a year ago | (#44753943)

So why the angry rich people hating on Oracle? As far as I can tell, They're angry and running about calling it "cheating" over what appears to be a simple case of not understanding the horribly dense and overly-complicated rules, in a new ship class that just debuted this year.

Well... As mentioned in this article [nytimes.com] :

The America’s Cup, dating to 1851, might be both the oldest and quirkiest trophy competition in international sports. The winner of the trophy gets to set the parameters for the next competition — when, where and what kind of boats. There is no governing body to guide regularity.

Ellison won in Valencia, Spain, in 2010, ...

Therefore, Larry Ellison - aka Oracle - gets to make the rules, which they, themselves, then violated... Kind of a dick move, even for Larry. Or perhaps I'm incorrect; in any case, the America's Cup is a just very rich sport for very rich people who, apparently, have nothing better on which to spend their time and money.

Re:"miniscule" (3, Funny)

sjames (1099) | about a year ago | (#44754061)

Even among rich asshats Oracle and Ellison stand out as rich asshats.,/p

How do I? (5, Funny)

Fnord666 (889225) | about a year ago | (#44753165)

How do I moderate an article as off topic?

Re:How do I? (3, Informative)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#44753179)

Two choices. Get it while it is in the submission queue and vote it down, or don't post in it if it becomes a story on the front page.

Re:How do I? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753253)

Is it too late to do the latter?

Re:How do I? (1)

whoever57 (658626) | about a year ago | (#44753479)

Two choices. Get it while it is in the submission queue and vote it down,

Submitter here. Based on this submission, I don't think voting makes a difference. It went from submission to front page so quickly that few people could have voted on it.

Re:How do I? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753683)

I voted it down as off-topic. I suppose "News for nerds, stuff that matters" is too vague, but in this case should have applied.

Re:How do I? (1)

lxs (131946) | about a year ago | (#44754297)

That tagline got retired years ago grandpa. It's the new Slashdot here. The nerds are all grown up now. We have pipe and slippers and use them unironically while reading the morning paper and dreaming of yachts.

Re:How do I? (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year ago | (#44754199)

Two choices. Get it while it is in the submission queue and vote it down,

Submitter here. Based on this submission, I don't think voting makes a difference. It went from submission to front page so quickly that few people could have voted on it.

Possible explanation: slow new day, Soulskill must do something to earn his living, but... do you really expect her/him to start searching for more relevant news?

Re:How do I? (1)

jmhobrien (2750125) | about a year ago | (#44754099)

delete from articles where topic'news for nerds' and topic'stuff that matters';

The only thing cool about this article... (2)

jesseck (942036) | about a year ago | (#44753199)

The only thing cool about this article is the pictures of the sailboats in the linked stories. Especially the one about the "Amazing AC72 Boats". I didn't realize a sailboat could get up out of the water like that- that is some impressive engineering.

Re:The only thing cool about this article... (3, Interesting)

whoever57 (658626) | about a year ago | (#44753239)

Google "foiling moth video" and prepare to have your mind blown with what can be done with a lot less money!

Re:The only thing cool about this article... (3, Informative)

erikkemperman (252014) | about a year ago | (#44753809)

Thanks for sharing, that's pretty awesome [youtube.com]

Re:The only thing cool about this article... (1)

nullchar (446050) | about a year ago | (#44753249)

I don't know if those are "sailboats" when they ride on hydrofoils. It's not like you could carry passengers or cargo or do much transoceanic exploring in those craft.

They're still marvels of engineering though and anything that fast powered by the wind is pretty neat.

Re:The only thing cool about this article... (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | about a year ago | (#44753379)

Wind powers them so of course they're sailboats. You could scale this up but there are powered foils for actually moving cargo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DRUsuOTMHQ [youtube.com]

Re:The only thing cool about this article... (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#44753989)

You could scale this up but there are powered foils for actually moving cargo.

And passengers.

Re:The only thing cool about this article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753415)

The only thing cool about this article is the pictures of the sailboats in the linked stories. Especially the one about the "Amazing AC72 Boats". I didn't realize a sailboat could get up out of the water like that- that is some impressive engineering.

Those there are not real sailboats they are inherently unstable floating monstrosities of fiberglass and carbon fibre controlled by soulless computers constantly telling otherwise clueless humans what needs adjusting in order to go as fast as possible.

Re:The only thing cool about this article... (1)

Sardaukar86 (850333) | about a year ago | (#44754237)

controlled by soulless computers constantly telling otherwise clueless humans what needs adjusting in order to go as fast as possible.

Yeah, that seems like a perfectly rational explanation for why these teams are spending $BIG on hiring and retaining experienced skippers, grinders, etc..

Get Past The Bucks (2)

wrackspurt (3028771) | about a year ago | (#44753221)

America's Cup [wikipedia.org]

The history and prestige associated with the America's Cup attracts not only the world's top sailors and yacht designers but also the involvement of wealthy entrepreneurs and sponsors. It is a test not only of sailing skill and boat and sail design, but also of fund-raising and management skills.

It's still sailing at its best and sailing is one of the most graceful and productive things we've ever done. The yachts are elegant, no matter your hatred for the rich who own and sail them.

Re:Get Past The Bucks (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year ago | (#44753333)

America's Cup [wikipedia.org]

The history and prestige associated with the America's Cup attracts not only the world's top sailors and yacht designers but also the involvement of wealthy entrepreneurs and sponsors. It is a test not only of sailing skill and boat and sail design, but also of fund-raising and management skills.

It's still sailing at its best and sailing is one of the most graceful and productive things we've ever done. The yachts are elegant, no matter your hatred for the rich who own and sail them.

If you are speaking of the yachts in this race, I tend to agree. If you are speaking of yachts in general... I find some utterly ugly [google.com] .

Re:Get Past The Bucks (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | about a year ago | (#44753419)

Can be fairly dangerous too! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRW21FubyY4 [youtube.com]

These boats have hit 50MPH on the water - not KNOTS, MPH! That's some pretty serious speed from just the wind. Really interesting stuff I think ad I'm far from a boater.

Re:Get Past The Bucks (2)

whoever57 (658626) | about a year ago | (#44753489)

These boats have hit 50MPH on the water - not KNOTS, MPH!

Uh, you know that 50 knots is faster than 50 MPH, right?

Re:Get Past The Bucks (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#44753609)

I prefer one design racing. Not so dependent on outspending your opponents, since everyone gets the same boats. So it comes down to selecting a team, training, tactics, etc.

News for nerds. Stuff that matters. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753289)

double fail.

Yacht OS (1)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about a year ago | (#44753291)

We've started calling Solaris "Yacht OS" in our IT department.

Competition (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about a year ago | (#44753305)

A friend who played lacrosse in college had this to say: "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'".

He got that from wrestling. (1)

NotSoHeavyD3 (1400425) | about a year ago | (#44753335)

Eddie Guerrero to be specific. Other sayings they have about cheating include "Win if you can, lose if you must but always cheat.", "If at first you don't succeed, cheat.", "Anything worth fighting for is worth cheating for.", and "I cheat because I care"

Is it possible... (1)

istartedi (132515) | about a year ago | (#44753345)

Is it possible to give a negative fuck about something?

At any rate, I care this much -->

What, you can't see that? Here it is magnified several thousand times:

Re:Is it possible... (1)

ndrw (205863) | about a year ago | (#44753547)

Wait, hold on, I've magnified it a billion times:

Still entirely invisible. Fuck this topic.

Re:Is it possible... (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#44753993)

Is it possible to give a negative fuck about something?

You cared enough to post instead of just moving along to the next article. Sorry if this one didn't interest you, your lordship, I'm sure the editors will try harder to please thee next time.

Let me be the first to say.... (1)

TheInternetGuy (2006682) | about a year ago | (#44753347)

HaHa

The Vendee Globe is far more interesting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753363)

Solo, nonstop, without assistance, around the world.

It takes a lot of courage, strength of will, and serious sailing skill
to even get to the starting line.

I consider it the most impressive sporting event in the world, bar none.

http://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/

Re:The Vendee Globe is far more interesting. (1)

z0idberg (888892) | about a year ago | (#44753485)

Courage, will, sailing skill.....and a shitload of Australian taxpayers money to be rescued in the far Southern Ocean when things go pear shaped.

Sailors who take on the Southern Ocean for the thrill of it should come with a "Do Not Rescue" message on the beacons. Or they should self-fund their rescue missions in advance.

Re:The Vendee Globe is far more interesting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44754057)

The Australian press made a stink about that a few years back. The Australian military's reply was "You can't buy training like this. The actual experience is priceless." And then they pointed at how the rescue a couple years previous compared to the one they'd just completed- quite the difference in effectiveness.

Re:The Vendee Globe is far more interesting. (1)

z0idberg (888892) | about a year ago | (#44754095)

You have a source on that? I can't find that response reported anywhere.

Even if the Navy do appreciate it as a training exercise, I'm sure they could plan an exercise with similar benefits at at time that doesn't involve dragging the entire crew of a naval frigate away from leave with their families in the week before Christmas.

http://www.defence.gov.au/budget/08-09/dar/vol1/ch09_07.htm [defence.gov.au]

Re:The Vendee Globe is far more interesting. (1)

z0idberg (888892) | about a year ago | (#44754103)

*Destroyer not frigate

Par for the course (1)

kriston (7886) | about a year ago | (#44753369)

It's par for the course.

Isn't this the same country that technically cheated with the advanced hull micro line hull treatment that won the cup back in the 1980s?

Re:Par for the course (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | about a year ago | (#44753427)

Do you have a citation? Google comes up empty on your terms

If a yacht.... (1)

whydavid (2593831) | about a year ago | (#44753373)

If a yacht is penalized in the America's Cup races, and no one gives enough of a shit to notice, does it still make Larry Ellison cry like a greedy, emotional, hypercompetitive asshole?

Slashdot - the painful downhill slide (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753585)

Another off-topic and boring article from Slashdot.

Neither news for Nerds nor Stuff that Matters.

Re:Slashdot - the painful downhill slide (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753703)

What is more painful downhill slide are people considering this off-topic and that any topic they are not interested in as a sign of the end of Slashdot. The amount of design and engineering that goes into such sailboats should be more than enough to get any nerd's attention with interest in fluid dynamics or general high performance engineering. Sailing has a stereotype of being only affordable by rich people, yet so are high end cars, planes, and other tech toys that come up with more popular support here.

Yo! ORacle my BIG 10 inch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44753731)

record.Cheeterz gotsta cheets.

They thought it was like database metrics (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year ago | (#44753915)

They thought it was like database metrics. If you can't win weight the results.

No surprise from Oracle... (1)

Bazman (4849) | about a year ago | (#44753961)

..after all, isn't this what they've done with Java and MySQL?

This shouldn't be a problem (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#44753995)

As long as they post details of their modifications so the community can incorporate them into their own yachts, I don't see what the problem is.

Annoying event for San Francisco (2)

Animats (122034) | about a year ago | (#44754059)

San Francisco's hosting of this event was a big mistake. For an event that consists of two boats going round and round some can buoys, it seems to require way too much infrastructure. A mile of the San Francisco waterfront is full of Americas Cup tents, towers, and related crap.

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