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Xbox One Set To Launch On November 22

Unknown Lamer posted about 7 months ago | from the people-like-games dept.

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Dave Knott writes "Microsoft announced today that its upcoming Xbox One console will launch later this year on November 22 in 13 territories, including Australia, Austria, Brazil, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, New Zealand, Spain, United Kingdom, and United States. This is exactly one week after the announced street date for Sony's PlayStation 4, ending speculation about whether Microsoft would try to launch ahead of their closest rival's next-generation console. It is also the same day that the Xbox 360 launched in 2005." The supply of pre-order consoles is mostly exhausted already.

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Does it have host file support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756007)

If not, apk ain't going to buy one.

Re:Does it have host file support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756103)

it's the hosts file, you uneducated windows luser

Re:Does it have host file support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44757407)

If not, apk ain't going to buy one.

...so, umm, what it if gives you a subluxation when you pick it up?

Sorry.. (2, Informative)

GrBear (63712) | about 7 months ago | (#44756045)

But I already pre-ordered a PS4 after Microsoft showed their true colors towards customers and developers.

Re:Sorry.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756065)

Sony already showed their true colors multiple times, and guess what? They're hardly better than Microsoft. Why someone would support companies that lock down their consoles and have any sort of DRM at all is beyond my comprehension.

Re:Sorry.. (1, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 7 months ago | (#44756127)

So what is the alternative?
Even Steambox has DRM.

Windows 7 and 8 basically are DRM, they even downgrade Blu-ray if you play it over a non-HDCP protected path.

Re:Sorry.. (3, Informative)

Hadlock (143607) | about 7 months ago | (#44756291)

PS4 has less DRM and Sony is decidedly less hostile towards their customers. Microsoft had to be cowed in to eating their own words and finally reversing fully on a lot of anti-consumer policies. Vote with your dollars, get the same (basic) product, everybody wins!

Re:Sorry.. (3, Informative)

sosume (680416) | about 7 months ago | (#44756483)

I haven't seen MS distributing rootkits with its hardware products. So definitely less hostile. I swore to never buy anything from Sont again since the rootkit fiasco, and have kept to that.

Re:Sorry.. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756867)

So a CD is classified as hardware now? And please note, while you say Sony it was actually just the music part, the US bit at that. And they did it all without approval from the top, you know, head office in Japan.

So, while you still berate Sony do you still buy Microsoft products? You do know all the anti-competitive things they have done, don't you? Or are you just a hypocrite?

Re:Sorry.. (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 7 months ago | (#44756511)

PS4 has less DRM

At this point, that's unclear. It appears that both Sony and MS will be allowing *publishers* to decide the level of DRM on their products, though Sony has definitely taken a more hostile public stand against it. What this will all mean in the end we won't know until the actual games start coming out. "The proof is in the pudding," so to speak. I'm taking a wait-and-see approach with both of them for now.

Re:Sorry.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756553)

I'm taking a wait-and-see approach with both of them for now.

I'm waiting to see which company enrages (and thus motivates) geohot first. That will likely decide my purchase.

Re:Sorry.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756565)

PS4 has less DRM and Sony is decidedly less hostile towards their customers.

Good, good, I'm glad we got over this entire "historical precedent" nonsense. I mean, that whole Other OS and pathetic security with their online service thing was a whole THREE YEARS AGO!!!1! My God, that's ancient history! Nobody who decided that could POSSIBLY still be alive! Do you know how long THREE YEARS is? Finally, we know for a fact how long immature internet rage lasts, and now companies can take heart in knowing that they can issue hollow, token levels of apology and just wait a little bit to get back in the good favor of their customers!

I swear I called this back when the Other OS debacle erupted. Everyone was up in arms about it, predicting the death of Sony as a result of crossing TEH HOEMBROOERS OHNOES (wasn't there... wait, I know this... something... something-something Air Force? Man, I guess Sony sure was in trouble there!). Now, hey presto, they're "decidedly less hostile towards their customers", and now those same people are cheerfully "voting with their wallets", as they liked to harp on about, and everyone's bestest friends with Sony!

Re:Sorry.. (2)

AdamStarks (2634757) | about 7 months ago | (#44756979)

Sony is decidedly less hostile towards their customers

You are aware that Sony is one of the biggest members of both the MPAA and the RIAA, right? Two of the most decidedly anti-consumer organizations out there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA [wikipedia.org]

Re:Sorry.. (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | about 7 months ago | (#44757129)

Right. Microsoft only tried to give us DRM until we can't sneeze without permission because the media companies that want to sell products through Microsoft outlets ask for it.

Sony is one of those media companies that asked for it. Their console division may pretend to be friendly to consumers, but that was just cynical self-interest. And outside the console division, Sony's history on DRM (rootkit fiasco, MPAA and RIAA support) and security (Playstation Network hack and long outage) is awful. It's an open question which of these two companies is more evil at any given moment, but there are no heroes in this game.

I think the only thing that might, might keep either console vendor from going wild with DRM is that a growing portion of consumers are choosing to do most of their gaming with iPads and Nexus 7s. If PS4 and Xbox One were mostly battling each other, the two manufacturers would probably shake hands behind closed doors and lock everything down. But that $60 Medal of Honor 94 is against NOVA 3 for $7, and the iPad or Android tablet that can play Nova 3 can also surf the web, post to Twitter, and work comfortably in the back seat of a car or any seat on a train.

Re:Sorry.. (1)

Hadlock (143607) | about 7 months ago | (#44757677)

I guess that just goes to show that Sony is more in tune with how draconian DRM is perceived in the marketplace? The fact at stake here is that Sony acknowledged it and acted on it, while Microsoft didn't think the market cared enough to leverage consumer consideration to push their platform in the lead. Microsoft may have adopted a more consumer friendly stance on paper, but the management hasn't suddenly been switched out with gamer DRM hippies. Those PHB types are still making decisions at microsoft...

Re:Sorry.. (2)

Ravaldy (2621787) | about 7 months ago | (#44757547)

Well, the PS3 was inferior to the XBox 360. Will PS4 actually beat Xbox this time?
1. Graphics in most games were rated to be better on XBox 360 as per GameSpot
2. Many of the big titles were ports from XBox 360 to PS3 which left many customers unhappy. Read the forums you will see.
3. There is a larger population for Xbox 360 owners (more units sold), if tendency remains users will stick to the platform they know.

Question is here, other than the .5% of techies here that just don't like MS, who's going to care about any bad press MS had if they adjusted to their customer feedback? Based on my surroundings, the PS3 users I know are going for the XBox one. The only reason they originally purchased a PS3 was because of the free online gaming access which my understanding is gone on the PS4.

Re:Sorry.. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 7 months ago | (#44757827)

There is not a larger population of 360 users.
1. It sold very poorly outside North America
2. Many 360 users owned 2 or more units due to the RROD issues

I know 0 people buying an Xbox one. Netflix is still free to use via the PS4 and most of my friends are not big on multiplayer. The adult schedule does not often work for that.

Re:Sorry.. (5, Informative)

cbhacking (979169) | about 7 months ago | (#44757619)

Because retroactively removing advertised features from purchased products is very consumer-friendly, right? I can't believe how short memories here on Slashdot are. Yes, 15 years ago MS was "evil" for bundling a web browser with an OS at no extra charge (the horrors!) but three years ago Sony crippled their own products *after you had already bought them* and you call them *less* hostile? You're either insane or very, very biased. Sony are playing you for a fool, and you're lapping it up.

Mind you, I have no intention of purchasing either console, but seriously, you sound like an idiot, and Sony has a *lot* to answer for. Seeing somebody call them *less* hostile than... pretty much *any* other consumer-oriented company is absurd.

Re:Sorry.. (0, Flamebait)

tbannist (230135) | about 7 months ago | (#44757999)

Yes, 15 years ago MS was "evil" for bundling a web browser with an OS at no extra charge (the horrors!)

You obviously don't have to work with anything on the web, because the pain inflicted by Microsoft on the countless web developers over the years is still fresh and ongoing for many. There are quire a few people who are only a few more "It doesn't work in IE6"s away from a murderous rampage. That's also ignoring everything else Microsoft has pulled in the 15 years since.

Sony crippled their own products *after you had already bought them* and you call them *less* hostile? You're either insane or very, very biased. Sony are playing you for a fool, and you're lapping it up.

I have yet to see anyone say Sony is an Angel, but the truth is most people didn't use the Other OS feature, and for those that didn't the change didn't do anything to cripple what they use the PS3 for which is usually either watching movies, playing games, or both. There are things I don't like about the changes Sony has made over the life of the PS3, but frankly, Microsoft seems to be worse in just about every way that matters to me. On the other hand, calling someone an idiot, a fool, and insane for not agreeing with your opinion is juvenile and belligerent.

Re:Sorry.. (5, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | about 7 months ago | (#44756383)

I don't care if they have DRM ... as long as it doesn't require an internet connection to do it.

I have no interest in having my video game console serve me ads and the like, so a required internet connection for me is a deal breaker. Even that one time register is too much -- it's none of Microsoft's business who I am or that I have a video game.

I don't expect DRM to just go away, but when Microsoft started putting ads in the home screen of my XBox 360 -- well, sorry, but no.

I bought the console, I bought the game; if you think you should be entitled to my usage data and the ability to advertise to me, too damned bad. I don't play games online, so that internet connection doesn't do anything to improve my experience with it. It's purely a mechanism for Microsoft and the game publishers to annoy me.

Re:Sorry.. (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 7 months ago | (#44756675)

The Xbox will continue to be an advertising machine. For me that disqualifies it right there.

Re:Sorry.. (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about 7 months ago | (#44756787)

Yup. Which is why my current XBox got disconnected from the network the day after they pushed the update which added ads to the home screen and the games.

If Microsoft thinks they're getting free reign of an internet connection on a video game ever again from me, they're quite mistaken.

That they acted like such arrogant, dismissive assholes when they announced this initially says they don't actually give a crap about customers. So, conversely, I don't much give a crap about them.

An internet connection in a video game is mostly a vehicle for ads, and for the game publisher to try to convince me to spend real money to 'enhance' my gaming experience -- neither of which interest me.

Re:Sorry.. (3, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | about 7 months ago | (#44756497)

So what is the alternative?
Even Steambox has DRM.

Windows 7 and 8 basically are DRM, they even downgrade Blu-ray if you play it over a non-HDCP protected path.

Go outside and play.

That's the better alternative.

Re:Sorry.. (1, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 7 months ago | (#44756705)

Where are these video games outside?
Also when I get home from work it tends to be dark other than the middle of summer. Plus what are my friends wives going to say about this?

Also real ammo is expensive these days. The last time I took the long guns out I spent more in a couple hours on ammo than I have spent in months on video games.

Re:Sorry.. (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | about 7 months ago | (#44757171)

I suggest archery instead of firearms, most of the time your ammunition is reusable.

But your other points are of course valid. I can't safely go shooting or take a bike ride or play soccer at night.

Re:Sorry.. (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 7 months ago | (#44757199)

I do that too, but most of my friends do not.
I use my basement to do archery at night and in inclimate weather. Basement runs whole length of the house so not much of a range, but ok for Archery and Air guns.

Arrows are expensive too, last time I bought a dozen gold tips it was around $100. I had them cut to length and fletched though. Normally I do the latter, but I prefer not to cut carbon arrows myself because of the dust.

Re:Sorry.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44757553)

You notice all the whiners about Sony and Microsoft never mention this...they just want to rant and cry. Maybe they should disconnect. Corporations will go after your money however they can. To believe any of them have your interests at heart is complete foolishness. They wouldn't be a mega rich corporation if they were...

Re:Sorry.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756533)

Ultimately if you want a gaming console, you get the more powerful device that just happens to be cheaper.

You just have to accept that whatever console you buy, the manufacturer is most likely a complete bastard.

Re:Sorry.. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 7 months ago | (#44756885)

I will not if that means advertising on the damn home screen. Nor will I pay a tithe to be able to access netflix.

Re:Sorry.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44757587)

Guess you need to stop using /. too. See the ads? Dumbass selective reasoning moron.

Re:Sorry.. (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 7 months ago | (#44757809)

Nope, get an account with good karma and you will not either.

Not that it would matter, since I pay $0 for slashdot vs a console for hundreds of dollars.

Dumbass apples to oranges comparing moron.

Re:Sorry.. (4, Interesting)

N0Man74 (1620447) | about 7 months ago | (#44757167)

Read a mother fucking book.

Or...

  • Exercise.
  • Make a healthy meal, and clean up.
  • Spend time with friends and family.
  • Try board games.
  • Do all the things you want to do, but you keep putting off because you don't have time (chores, fixing that broken shower head, writing that novel/program, learn to play an instrument).
  • Get the recommended amount of sleep.

I enjoy video games too, but they are time vampires. I greatly appreciate the anti-consumer ass-hattery of Sony and Microsoft and the tech ineptitude of Nintendo, and the decline of Blizzard over the last several years. They are making it increasingly easy to break the habit.

In the last few years I've increased my fitness level, had improvements in my (previously non-existent) dating life, made more friends, improved my programming, learned to ride a motorcycle, and have even gotten involved in some performing arts. I still waste a lot of time on dumb shit, and I find myself wondering how much more I could accomplish if I wasn't so horrible with schedules and discipline.

Thank you video game industry for having your heads up alienating your customers!

Re:Sorry.. (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about 7 months ago | (#44757693)

I do every item on your list most days(well, board games are weekly), and I still play video games sometimes.

Re:Sorry.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44757771)

In the last few years I've increased my fitness level, had improvements in my (previously non-existent) dating life, made more friends, improved my programming, learned to ride a motorcycle, and have even gotten involved in some performing arts. I still waste a lot of time on dumb shit,

there are people who might not consider that stuff you mentioned "dumb shit"

Re:Sorry.. (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 7 months ago | (#44756259)

And MS didn't learn from Sony's mistakes. If anything they doubled down until the outcry was so great that they had to reverse course. Seriously Sony got a standing ovation at E3 for not changing anything when it came to used games. MS fucked up badly. I suspect this is why Don Mattrick left so suddenly.

Re:Sorry.. (1, Funny)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 7 months ago | (#44756567)

I get a funny picture in my head every time I think of the guy who must run MS's Public Relations division. I'm picturing a cross between Dustin Hoffman's character in "Rain Man," Leonardo DeCaprio's character in "What's eating Gilbert Grape," and a doorstop. And a dumb doorstop at that.

Re:Sorry.. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 7 months ago | (#44757421)

Its beyond your comprehension. It is very simple.
They don't care.

Sure the PS4 or XBox One can probably work as a PC. But why buy a console if you want a PC. You want a game console that play games, and plays them well. So most people who buy these things are not going to be making a PC out of it, or hacking it, trying to pirate games... They are OK to be playing by the rules.

If you can hack it. Then you can get a (bigger) issues such as Modifications to Online Games so players can cheat. Malware programs propagating across the network.

Are these problems worth it with the reduced freedom probably not... However most people would rather be safe then sorry and not think about it.

With all the problems in the world and you spend your time pining on the fact that you cannot modify your gaming console. It probably means you are not really living, or you are living with too many First World Problems.
 

Re:Sorry.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756263)

The irony is strong with this one.

Re:Sorry.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756369)

Really? I decided not to buy either after both sony and microsoft showed their true colors towards customers.

Re:Sorry.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44757615)

THEY NEVER FUCKING HID THEM!

Re:Sorry.. (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 7 months ago | (#44756409)

Well, it's a good thing you went with a company that really respects its customers and developers, like Sony.

Re:Sorry.. (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 7 months ago | (#44756465)

I'm not pre-ordering either this time. I still don't trust Sony and MS has been a complete foot-in-mouth bunch of jackasses on the Xbox One. In the previous two generations, I pre-ordered the Xbox 360 and Xbox1. This generation, I'm waiting to see which console maker with be the biggest ass-clown of the two (a role that MS is competing VERY hard for so far) before I decide.

Re:Sorry.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756583)

I bet you were one of those people who vowed never to buy Sony products after their rootkit fiascos.

Not the least bit interested in buying one. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756047)

Until they stop closing down their consoles (which will never happen) and stop implementing any form of DRM (again, probably never), I'll never buy any of this garbage.

Re:Not the least bit interested in buying one. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756253)

Until they stop closing down their consoles (which will never happen) and stop implementing any form of DRM (again, probably never), I'll never buy any of this garbage.

Thanks for your informative post. What other things don't you like?

Re:Not the least bit interested in buying one. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756349)

Other things would be off topic in this post, wouldn't they?

Meteor strike! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756445)

does it rule Linux^W M.U.L.E.?

well they can just fuck off then

That's GREAT! (0, Flamebait)

Safety Cap (253500) | about 7 months ago | (#44756051)

I might take a break from my PS4 just to laugh at the MS FanBoyz. I hope they enjoy spending their Microsoft Fun Bucks, I mean cash on avatar "clothes".

I have a 360 -- the last Xbox I'll own until MS pulls their head out of their sphincters.

Re:That's GREAT! (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about 7 months ago | (#44756455)

I might take a break from my PS4 just to laugh at the MS FanBoyz. I hope they enjoy spending their Microsoft Fun Bucks, I mean cash on avatar "clothes".

I have a 360 -- the last Xbox I'll own until MS pulls their head out of their sphincters.

I won't be buying either one for awhile. I can't see any reason to buy an Xbox at all, and the PS4 doesn't have any launch titles that interest me. I'll buy Grant Theft Auto 5 for PS3 and that will keep me busy for probably 6 months. By then, maybe there will be some interesting titles for PS4 and the price will have come down.

Re:That's GREAT! (1)

DrXym (126579) | about 7 months ago | (#44757163)

I really don't get the mad rush to buy any new console. If I bought a XB1 or a PS4 at launch, at best I'd be paying a premium for a console with only a handful of games to play for months. At worst I could suffer a broken online experience, glitchy firmware (with frequent updates), and possibly even glitchy or bricked hardware.

It took both the XBox 360 and PS3 nearly a year to gather enough titles to justify themselves as platforms and look at all the problems that the 360 had with it's ring of death and grindy DVD drives. The PS3 merely suffered from a high price but it was still a reason to hold back.

I'm sure if either console is successful they'll still be making them 6 or 12 months down the line. No reason to rush.

Re:That's GREAT! (1)

Xest (935314) | about 7 months ago | (#44757307)

"I have a 360 -- the last Xbox I'll own until MS pulls their head out of their sphincters."

Are you sure you have a 360? It's just if you actually did I'm amazed you didn't realise the update a few weeks back that eliminated Microsoft points and switched everything to real currency in preparation for this being the standard on the next gen.

But FWIW you can buy equally silly stuff as avatar clothes on the PS3 too.

You may well be right that this time around the PS4 will be a way better console but I think you're looking at things from a perspective where you're assuming that the grass is greener when it quite possibly wont be.

MS may have their collective heads up their ass... (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about 7 months ago | (#44757863)

... but you'll buy from Sony, the company that spent the last console generation smearing *your* head with shit and shoving it up their ass? Seriously?

I mean, I can understand if you want to ignore all the anti-consumer stuff Sony said before the console launch. Most people were reasonably pissed off by it, but it's not like they actually forced you to go get a second job, they just heavily implied that anybody who thought $600 was a lot for a console was too poor to have one, etc. It's a bit of a double standard to ignore all that from back then, and then slather MS as evil for something that they said, and then went back on, before the console even launched... but whatever.

But to buy a console from the company that just a few years ago went and retroactively removed advertised features from their previous console via forced update? Especially after they then sued the people who worked to restore those features? That's anti-consumer right there. If you support a company that would do that, and has shown no sign of remorse for it, *you* are part of the problem. You are what enables companies to keep screwing over their customers, because you're too much of a "FanBoy" (your term, not mine) to hit them where it hurts in punishment for what they've done.

Health Care Premiums to Increase Up to 125% (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756079)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-health-care-premiums-increase-125-wisconsin-due-obamacare_752709.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

"Half a million Wisconsinites will soon have to open up their pocket books for health care coverage," says a local anchor. "And new estimates show, it may be costly. ... The state's office of the commissioner of insurance released estimates of how premium rates for individuals will be changing under the Affordable Care Act."

The second anchor adds, "Yeah, for people who have no insurance or who may not have insurance those numbers show a wide range of increases- from 10-percent on the low end to as much as 125-percent. And with the requirement for individuals to have insurance set to start in less than a month, the law remains controversial."

Adds the reporter, "According to the state's office of the commissioner of insurance, there will be drastic premium increases as a result. The office compiled date from 8 cities for $2,000 deductible plans for three different age groups. The study did not include the numbers of actual estimated costs, only percentages. In Appleton a 21-year-old's cost would increase 54- percent, a 40-year-old's about 37-percent, and a 63- year-old's about 32-percent."

Re:Health Care Premiums to Increase Up to 125% (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about 7 months ago | (#44756509)

"Half a million Wisconsinites will soon have to open up their pocket books for health care coverage," says a local anchor. "And new estimates show, it may be costly. ... The state's office of the commissioner of insurance released estimates of how premium rates for individuals will be changing under the Affordable Care Act."

I know, I know, don't feed the trolls. But Wisconsin? Wisconsin is already well kn own for having an extremely strong Doctor's lobby and an extremely strong Insurance lobby, which means that we poor little suckups have to pay huge insurance premiums. Luckily I was able to move away from there.
But, in general we can expect Health Care Premiums to o up with this new legislation. After all, it requires you to have insurance. Therefore, the insurance companies can charge you whatever they want and you just have to pay it. They call it "Affordable Healthcare Act" but what it in fact does, is syphons money from your pocket into the pocket of the rich insurance industry. The quality of healthcare will go down because people can't afford to pay insurance AND go to the doctor.

Re:Health Care Premiums to Increase Up to 125% (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | about 7 months ago | (#44757221)

The health care reform requires that 80% of the revenue of any insurance company be spent on patient care, and if the company does not meet that threshold, they rebate the difference to their subscribers.

That does nothing to control medical costs, so getting a Tylenol from a nurse in an emergency room may go from $150 to $375. So the doctors and medical equipment companies will get wealthier. But it does control insurance costs.

Most Democrats wanted to include provisions in the health care reform to control medical costs, too, but they barely had enough votes to pass the legislation as it was. If they had added that, they would have lost a few more conservative Democrat votes, and the whole thing would have failed.

But if you think our health insurance system was less broken in 2009 than it is today, you weren't paying attention. We've gone from "worse" to "bad", and I'll take that any day.

It's all fun n' games... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756085)

... until the authoritarian thugs decide to monitor you in your living room.

Re:It's all fun n' games... (2)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about 7 months ago | (#44756449)

This is a concern with a US manufacturer of a device that is often on, has a camera, has a microphone, and comes from a company that has cooperated with the stazi. If you said this a year ago you would get a tinfoil hat award. Now you just get a "Could be right". So a simple question is: After Sony suffered the hacking scandal would they allow a US agency to spy on their customers opening the door to another Scandal?

Re:It's all fun n' games... (1)

nojayuk (567177) | about 7 months ago | (#44757055)

"This is a concern with a US manufacturer of a device that is often on, has a camera, has a microphone, and comes from a company that has cooperated with the stazi."

That technical specification covers every smartphone going pretty much with the additional features of location data, movement tracking outside the home, contacts lists etc. Not gonna give up your iPhone though are you?

Re:It's all fun n' games... (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about 7 months ago | (#44757893)

Smartphones, laptops, no few desktops, and so on. Yeah... if the NSA wants to monitor you, they can (much more easily) do it from whatever device you posted this message to Slashdot using.

What is the real demand? (3, Interesting)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 7 months ago | (#44756097)

So who's still getting one? I'm not getting either but it seems MS seems to the less favorite of the two.

Re:What is the real demand? (3, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 7 months ago | (#44756159)

I agree. Almost nobody I've talked to is interested in buying the new XBox. Even the guy I know who took the day off work to pick up and play the Wii U, and owns all 3 consoles from the previous generation is not planning on buying the XBOne. I suppose that they'll be a lot of clueless parents/grandparents who will buy it, but nobody who is really interested in gaming seems to care about the new XBox.

Re:What is the real demand? (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | about 7 months ago | (#44756235)

A lot of people will probably get both.

Personally I'm not sure which I'll get early-on (not getting either immediately though). I'm mostly an Xbox 360 player for current gen, though I'm considering buying a PS3 just to play "The Last of Us" (really wish PS4 was backwards compatible as I'd just wait and buy it instead).

Admittedly though, with a few rare exceptions there's not enough exclusive games anymore to care which or the other I get.

Re:What is the real demand? (1)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 7 months ago | (#44756267)

So who's still getting one?

If you look at the turnout at most Xbox related (Halo) conventions, it's the parents of the kids in the age groups 5 to 14.

Re:What is the real demand? (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 7 months ago | (#44756331)

From my standpoint HALO seems to be one of the only advantages of Xbox One. It costs more but comes with Kinect. This seems to be reversal of PS3, Xbox 360 where the PS3 cost more but came with BluRay which was worth it at the time. I don't see that Kinect is enough of a differentiator for me. The Xbox Live service is fine but is required to get Netflix connectivity.

Re:What is the real demand? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756299)

I love Xbox and MS. I'm older than 15 and I'm a gamer, playing games is almost as fun as picking my boogers and tossing them at the SD page on my computer.

Is is just me or it John Kerry the biggest hypocrite the world has even seen? I bet he picks boogers in meetings other than playing poker on his phone like yesterday.

Re:What is the real demand? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756307)

Only the rabid fanboys and the guys that owe their loyalties to a specific game series.

The "almost sold out" thing isn't very impressive, given their initial allotment to Gamestop was 75k. Sony by contrast is well over the 1 million mark and still taking orders; they're just no longer guaranteeing fulfillment on launch day.

Re:What is the real demand? (1)

Grizzley9 (1407005) | about 7 months ago | (#44756313)

I preordered mine. Skipped the last gen and just had a Wii. With a young family and not much time to game it was fine. Kids are getting older and I like what MS showed off so I'm in. I'm really curious to see what can be hacked with the Kinnect2 as well.

Being as they are nearly sold out of the launch date consoles, it seems to be doing just fine. I'm not a fanboy of either but the XB seemed to have more family oriented setup with the Kinnect.

Re:What is the real demand? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756415)

With a young family and not much time to game it was fine.

What's it like giving up a sex life and vacation?

Re:What is the real demand? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 7 months ago | (#44756897)

I like what MS showed off

Care to list some specifics here? I haven't seen anything to like. More expensive, less powerful, more restrictive than the PS4. Only possible advantage is that it comes with Kinect.

Re:What is the real demand? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44757835)

I can try to answer that. First, the hardware is essentially identical. There is a slight difference in the video chipset that will be forgotten on day one. The Xbox OS is slightly more efficient, which will also not be noticed by most people. So the underlying platforms are very similar.

Kinect 2.0 blows away the missing in action PS4 Eye. It's so much of a floor-wiping that you barely even hear about the topic from Sony. Unfortunately, some markets won't have full Kinect 2.0 voice recognition features at launch. Kinect accounts for most or all of the price difference between the consoles.

The games.... it looks like 75% of the games are being released on both platforms, and let's face it -- some people will only buy the big games like C.O.D. and Madden and the like, so you could almost say that 95% of the launch games are practically the same. Later on, you'll see more platform exclusive stuff but the launches are not overflowing with choices. Quick view - expect the PS4 to continue to feature story-driven, single player games and the Xbox One to continue with multiplayer-oriented titles. I get more value out of multiplayer, but there are plenty of people who would disagree.

You have to pay a subscription for multiplayer on both consoles now, and the vast majority of gamers will almost certainly sign up. That might be a bit of a shock for PS4 buyers who have not followed the news, but it only places them in parity with MS.

Microsoft has a much more developed online infrastructure. Worldwide, they have deployed something like 8 times as many servers to support the Xbox as Sony has for PSN. Sony did purchase Gaikai, which allows you to stream games that are not compatible with the PS4. MS has server infrastructure that ties in to Xbox games, which the game developer can use in any way. That allows the game to (for instance) populate a virtual city with people who are constantly active, or to control a large number of non player-controlled characters in a multiplayer map. This looks like a big advantage for MS, but we'll have to see it used in games.

That's a start.

Re:What is the real demand? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756361)

Neither this nor the PS4 has backwards compatibility with the previous console, so there's really no compelling reason to stick with whatever "team" you went with last time.

I'm going to wait until one of the two has a game that I actually give a damn about. Last gen, that happened after the first price drop!

Re:What is the real demand? (1)

alen (225700) | about 7 months ago | (#44756393)

we will find out when they arrive and the scalpers start selling them on ebay. with the PS3 no one was buying it and they all had to return it

Re:What is the real demand? (1)

sunking2 (521698) | about 7 months ago | (#44756941)

The millions of people with kids who were too young to care about the 360/ps4 and have held out a little bit for new consoles to come out? There will be plenty of demand for both.

Re:What is the real demand? (2)

Princeofcups (150855) | about 7 months ago | (#44757251)

So who's still getting one? I'm not getting either but it seems MS seems to the less favorite of the two.

One hit exclusive and everyone will eat crow and run out and buy one.

Re:What is the real demand? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44757539)

I am getting both consoles, but I prefer the Xbox One and that is the one going into my home office. For me, the games are better and I am interested in Kinect 2.0.

Re:What is the real demand? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44757559)

I'll be getting One, it suits me needs quite well as a casual gamer. I like the Live marketplace, the xbox controler, and many of their exclusives. I think the kinect will actually be functional in this generation - I don't understand the fear people seem to have regarding privacy.

I don't think Slashdot is a very representative sample when it comes to consoles, my guess is that the One will do just fine.

JFK is rolling in his grave (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756109)

And without a head it makes that even more impressive. Hey, if FG can do a scene with that so can I.

Top Twenty Wisecracks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756133)

20. John Kerry looks like Frankenstein had sex with George Hamilton and then someone botched his plastic surgery and left a Boot in his chin

19. Incidentally, Kerry speaks French like Kerry earned all three purple hearts. He rode both of those myths for 40 years.

One of Kerry's Purple Hearts was awarded for, and I am quoting his military records, "A Case of the Mondays"

18. So a horse walked up to John Kerry and asked "Why the Botox face?"

17. Kerry's face looks like the footballs they used to use when they were too ckufing stupid to wear helmets

16. Shorter Chuck Hagel: This is the first war in ten years that the Jews didn't trick us into war so Let's Do This

15. Shorter John Kerry: Obama does not support a total remodel of Syria, but he does want to give the place some color with Accent Bombings

14. Kerry: Obama wants only a limited war, unless this mission which is designed to fail to achieve any purpose fails to achieve any purpose

13. Kerry: Obama will not puts boots on the ground, unless this mission fails, which it is expressly designed to do, and what are the odds of that?

12. Martin Bashir has the first erection he's had since he checked out Michael Jackon's Rumpus Room

11. Shorter Kerry: Can you imagine the horror of Assad being left in power which is exactly what our plan is?

10. Ambassador Rice just put out the word that Kerry's and Hagel's testimony was caused by a YouTube video

9. John Kerry: I dream of one day having a Middle East as stable and imperturbable as my forehead

8. If you took the best parts of Kerry and Hagel, you'd have one modestly intelligent man whose face didn't look like an Ogre's plunder sack

7. John McCain asked to revise and extend the footjob he was giving John Kerry

6. John Kerry: Obama knows how to distinguish Al Qaeda jihadis from "moderate democrats" just like he did in Benghazi when he hired terrorists as security guards

5. I could just sit here quoting Democrats' words to them all day but as they plainly never believed a syllable of them, what's the point?

4. Alice just emailed me to say she's going back to Wonderland because "this shit is wack"

3. Obama's getting his War Card punched like he's already got that free sandwich picked out

2. Obama's plan is just to bomb random countries until the Nobel Prize Committee gets him a green Masters jacket ...and the number one wisecrack about Kerry and Hagel's testimony...

1. Evolution of US Foreign Policy, 1946-present

1946-2000: Realism
2001-2008: Neconservative idealism
2009-2012: Neointernationalism
2013: "YOLO" Doctrine

Re:Top Twenty Wisecracks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756407)

I gotta say that McCain's actions have been the best part of this whole thing. Everyone now knows that if McCain had beaten Obama back in 2008, we'd still be going to Syria right now.

Remember, kids, voting matters!

Re:Top Twenty Wisecracks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44757819)

I'm getting a huge kick out of comparing the statements from Obama and Kerry on Syria with the statements from Bush and Rumsfeld on Iraq back in '03. Hilarious. Almost as hilarious as watching all the pro-war Republicans, you know, the ones who will still defend the Iraq war, talk about how getting involved in Syria will be a needless clusterfuck, using the exact same arguments that the hippies in 2003 were using against Iraq.

Irony is dead.

All the Backpedaled DRM.... (4, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about 7 months ago | (#44756183)

Set to be silently put back in Januray 22 2014 with the first large software update....

Re:All the Backpedaled DRM.... (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 7 months ago | (#44756317)

Yup, they've tipped their hand as to where they're going, and eventually it will be the always on crap and everything else that pissed people off.

I think I'm more likely to buy a spare current-gen XBox than even consider the next one.

I just don't trust that Microsoft won't hold off a bit and then push out an update which does everything they've backed off from.

Re:All the Backpedaled DRM.... (2)

Zimluura (2543412) | about 7 months ago | (#44756453)

I hear that!

The game from the last 2 gens I've played the most is Forza, and on the xbone Forza will have to download stuff before you can complete the game. So, in addition to having the console require activation, they've already gone back to activation on a game.

I guess I'll be checking out Gran Turismo this gen.

Re:All the Backpedaled DRM.... (2)

Lumpy (12016) | about 7 months ago | (#44756703)

Forza kind of jummed the shark anyways. I was excited about Forza horizon, then I discovered that I paid $60.00 for 1/2 a game. I have to pony up an additional $40.00 to get the rest of it. Bite me.

I'm done with their entire franchise. If they want to do t he DLC dance then the starting price is $30.00 not $60.

Re:All the Backpedaled DRM.... (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 7 months ago | (#44757625)

They have said it will happen or what?

Re:All the Backpedaled DRM.... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 7 months ago | (#44757985)

They tried it once, and got shouted down.

Companies don't usually take that as a cue to say "gee, that was a bad idea". They usually just try to figure out how to foist it on you eventually.

So I'm saying I have very little confidence they won't just eventually do this as an update and tell people to eat shit once they've bought the console. I plan on skipping that step, and simply not buy the console. They can eat their own shit.

Re:All the Backpedaled DRM.... (1)

Andrio (2580551) | about 7 months ago | (#44757991)

This is why the Xbox One has to die. It needs to be shown that consumers will not put up with the always-on/DRM BS that MS tried to pull off. The fact that they even tried it shows their intentions, and they must be punished.

If Sony tries it down the line with the PS5--and I have no doubt that Sony would have loved to do it, but was smart enough not to--then the PS5 needs to die too. Go with the Wii-Three or whatever will be out by then. Make it clear that always-on/DRM BS will always kill the console.

Fucking Americans (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756207)

Playstation has beat Xbox to market by one week... in North America. In the rest of the world, which admittedly doesn't matter shit and would be best bombed out of existence, Xbox is beating Playstation by one week.

This just in... (4, Insightful)

wbr1 (2538558) | about 7 months ago | (#44756391)

Home audio/video monitoring device that the government can use, willingly PAID FOR by millions.

Re:This just in... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44757483)

Home audio/video monitoring device that the government can use, willingly PAID FOR by millions.

IPhones?

Artificial artificial scarcity (4, Insightful)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about 7 months ago | (#44756417)

Artificial artificial scarcity is going to be the name of this campaign. They don't want real scarcity as that could hurt their probably crap sales. But they want to be able to show the people lining up for days to get one. So I suspect they are going to spin this in some sleazy ways. A few sleazy ideas would be things like having a best buy in a really poor area offer the XBox at 80% off for the first 500 customers. This would then get at least 500 customers lined up for a week or more. You could also have other offers such as contests where you have a 1 in 5 chance of winning either the XBox or a trip or something. Or if worse comes to worse they could just hire actors.

Once they have the scarcity going they will do a huge PR campaign first to promote these 3 week long line-ups and then trying to get the world convinced that there are very few XBoxes in their local retailer. They could then work with the retailers to somehow do something like say 1 store in town has 500 while the other stores only have 50. Which store is it? Then people line up and all find that they were lucky enough to be at the store with 500 as they all had 500.

Lastly we are all going to be reading reviews from Console Times or other made up reviewers saying that this is a "Game Changer" and that while the PS4 is a slight upgrade that the new XBox is revolutionary, a paradigm shift, customer oriented, the only console that will survive.

But the worst is going to be in "Votable" forums like the Slashdots and Reddits; where they nodoubt have an army of voters seeking out to kill the bad reviews and promote the shill reviews. A simple example of this would be in any MS related Slashdot posting the anti MS positions are voted down initially but after a while they resurface and then become the norm. My guess is that the PR firms have a limited number of Karma points at any time and try to steer the mood at the beginning but then run out of ammunition.

Re:Artificial artificial scarcity (1)

Scutter (18425) | about 7 months ago | (#44756715)

The easiest way to not be a victim of this kind of marketing is to simply wait six months before purchasing a console. Don't buy it at launch. After six months, it should be obvious what's crap and what's not.

Revolutionary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756479)

This is a revolutionary game console that will be better than all the competition no questions asked. Everyone I know will be getting one and we'll be lining up outside our local Microsoft store to get it! I've also heard rumors that Microsoft will be giving away lots of prizes to people in lines! I can't wait!

Anniversary (3, Funny)

devnullkac (223246) | about 7 months ago | (#44756745)

It is also the same day that the Xbox 360 launched in 2005.

It's also the 50th anniversary of the assassination of JFK... coincidence? Actually, yes, I'm pretty sure it's just a coincidence.

and unsurprisingly (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44756973)

even the "poorest" parts of America will also be sold out, as folks who have not held gainful employment in over a decade will make sure their kids have the latest toy. While coming in soon after to our offices demanding more "aid".

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