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Surface Pro 2 and Surface 2: Now With New Kickstand!

timothy posted about a year ago | from the seeking-balance dept.

Handhelds 294

UnknowingFool writes "For consumers who had hoped that Microsoft would greatly upgrade their recent entries into the tablet market, leaks and rumors have said that both machines will receive modest hardware changes. Surface Pro 2 will sport new Haswell processors which will increase battery life to 7 hours. RAM is expected to increase from 4GB to 8GB. Surface (formerly RT) will get Tegra 4 processors. The only other confirmed change will be new kickstands that have 2 positions instead of one."

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OMG WOW (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765319)

Kickstands!!

Re:OMG WOW (2, Funny)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about a year ago | (#44765727)

Kickstands!!

...that have 2 positions!!!

Does This Mean Lucy Won't Have to Hold It? (2)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#44765941)

As you run up to kick the thing from 25 yards?

Re:Does This Mean Lucy Won't Have to Hold It? (1)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about a year ago | (#44766011)

As you run up to kick the thing from 25 yards?

Yes. It will probably fall down on it's own just before your foot makes contact.

Re: OMG WOW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765973)

MS is really serious about being in last place. No one will stop them.

Re:OMG WOW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44766223)

Kickstands!!

I know, we all laugh at this, but apparently, not only does Microsoft think this is something worth mentioning, they consider this a major selling point over the iPad, to the point of bragging about it in their ads. Despite the fact that in those ads, it appears the only purpose the kickstand serves is to prop up the Surface for the ad itself, something that isn't necessary if you're not filming an ad.

Well, okay, it also props up the Surface to make an ersatz laptop, if you're carrying around the keyboard attachment. That's something also unnecessary with the iPad. Both the keyboard (everyone seems to be perfectly happy with their iPads without it) and carrying around more accessories, which is sort of what a portable device is supposed to be avoiding.

I wish I could get a Nokia one (5, Funny)

hawkinspeter (831501) | about a year ago | (#44765321)

So, it has come to this.

Re:I wish I could get a Nokia one (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about a year ago | (#44765545)

I wish I could get a Nokia one.

It's going to be called the "Nokia Sirius". I get the dog bit, but where does the star come in?

http://www.zdnet.com/lumia-tablets-surface-phablets-microsofts-tricky-new-post-nokia-positioning-challenges-7000020179/ [zdnet.com]

Re:I wish I could get a Nokia one (1)

dc29A (636871) | about a year ago | (#44765763)

It's going to be called the "Nokia Sirius". I get the dog bit, but where does the star come in?

Doesn't 'Lumia' means prostitute in spanish slang? In that case, Sirius is light years ahead of Lumia as product name!

Re:I wish I could get a Nokia one (1)

CatBandit (866637) | about a year ago | (#44765813)

Not in Spain (Europe), I don't recognize the word.

Maybe in America ... I'm not aware of this, if anyone knows: please enlighten us ;-)

Re:I wish I could get a Nokia one (1)

CatBandit (866637) | about a year ago | (#44765845)

Well it's the definition of the "Real Academia Española", so you were correct.

But I can assure you that it isn't of common use, probably a local or ancient use.

Re:I wish I could get a Nokia one (1)

madcat_sun (2812213) | about a year ago | (#44765983)

Perhaps it means that, but is not used

Re:I wish I could get a Nokia one (1)

Windwraith (932426) | about a year ago | (#44766209)

Spanish (EU) for 30 years and never heard of it. If anything it kinda sounds like "light".
I think you are thinking of "lumis". But it's very regional and underused. Practically a joke that people needs to explain.

Re:I wish I could get a Nokia one (2, Funny)

DrXym (126579) | about a year ago | (#44765961)

Why so sirius?

Re:I wish I could get a Nokia one (2)

tchdab1 (164848) | about a year ago | (#44766073)

What? I keep hearing we're preparing to bomb Sirius.

Size does matter. (4, Funny)

soup4you2 (571216) | about a year ago | (#44765325)

I feel these manufactures are moving backwards. I don't want a small tablet, I would much prefer something more usable with a 15" or 17" screen. These things are just too small to really be useful.

Re:Size does matter. (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44765401)

How would you carry that around?
How the hell would you hold it?

At that point it might as well be on a stand, and we call those monitors.

Re:Size does matter. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765637)

Could be nice on a drafting table for specialized use cases.
You'd need some professional software to go with it, though.

Re:Size does matter. (5, Interesting)

rossdee (243626) | about a year ago | (#44765667)

How about something the size of a magazine, you could still carry it in your briefcase or backpack with your lunch, and it would be easier to read things like magazines and newspapers on.

And the stylus should have buttons and maybe a scroll gadget on, so you can do all the things you do with a mouse. Maybe even wired to the table so you don't lose it so easily. (Then you wouldnt need to have batteries in the stylus or worry about bluetooth.
To save costs you could leaveout the camera(s) and microphone, you can always plug one in if you need it, and no fixed camera or mic means your privacy is a bit safer

Re:Size does matter. (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | about a year ago | (#44765957)

Aren't magazines 8.5x11? That's 13.9"

Re:Size does matter. (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year ago | (#44766023)

I'll take something the size of a full sized (ie not "Reader's Digest") magazine if, and only if, you can roll it up and/or fold it like a real magazine.

Re:Size does matter. (1)

HCase (533294) | about a year ago | (#44766161)

A specialized use case, but I would like one for digital art. It would be required to be fairly powerful, run a full PC operating system, and have a built in digitizer. Also, I would expect it to work well in a laptop format with a convertible/detachable/wireless keyboard.

"How would you carry that around?"
Carrying around is easy, put it an a backpack or messenger bag, 15-17" laptops are not a new thing.

"How the hell would you hold it?"
I normally wouldn't. As a laptop it would be used as any other laptop. As a tablet it would primarily normally be used on my lap, or on a desk/table using a kickstand, portable stand, or less portable docking station depending on location.

Re:Size does matter. (5, Funny)

Shoten (260439) | about a year ago | (#44765425)

I feel these manufactures are moving backwards. I don't want a small tablet, I would much prefer something more usable with a 15" or 17" screen. These things are just too small to really be useful.

Yeah, exactly...I would love a 17" tablet. Also, I would like it to have a better keyboard, and more ports. And a hard drive. A bigger battery would be nice. How about both a touchpad and a touchscreen? Maybe a little nub in the middle of the keyboard, for those who don't like touchpads, come to think of it, would be a good idea too. Oh, more RAM. And if it could run full Windows or OS X instead of RT, that would be handy too...

Re:Size does matter. (4, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44765467)

That is a great idea, but I think they should attach the keyboard to the tablet and let it use that to hold it up. Just spitballing here but I bet you could have it fold in the middle to make it more convenient to carry.

Re:Size does matter. (2)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year ago | (#44765893)

Surface Pro 3. Coming out next year.

Will look exactly like this year's laptops.

But will still be called a tablet.

By MSFT at least.

Re:Size does matter. (3, Informative)

Alternate Interior (725192) | about a year ago | (#44765989)

This exists. Dell XPS 18. http://www.dell.com/us/eep/p/xps-18-1810/pd [dell.com]

Re:Size does matter. (2)

Alternate Interior (725192) | about a year ago | (#44766041)

Yes, I missed the joke. Fail.

Re:Size does matter. (3, Funny)

Gilmoure (18428) | about a year ago | (#44766047)

Ah, you mean the Pear Pad [wikia.com] .

Re:Size does matter. (1)

hodet (620484) | about a year ago | (#44766191)

17inch? You could eat supper on it while reading slashdot.

Re:Size does matter. (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a year ago | (#44765487)

Well if you don't have a use for one, then clearly they are useless~

Re:Size does matter. (4, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44765501)

I have a 10" tablet. It's way too big and heavy, and I wish I'd bought a smaller one.

I can't imagine how anyone could do anything useful with a 17" tablet which wouldn't be better with a 17" laptop.

Re:Size does matter. (1)

DrXym (126579) | about a year ago | (#44766145)

I find my 10" Asus to be a bit bulky to haul around as a tablet but with the keyboard plugged in, it's a little on the small side. I think if I bought a Windows (not RT) tablet, I would do so with one eye on using it as a PC with a desktop and desktop apps. So 10" would be a bare minimum and possibly 11" or 12" would be slightly more comfortable. I'm not sure why Microsoft even bothers with RT any more.

production run size? (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44765343)

another billion dollars into the drain.. oh wait now they have a new devices guy onboard with proven track record so it'll be 3 billion down the drain.

also: why the fuck would any other manufacturer get on-board botched-windows-on-arm rt? am I rt?

Re:production run size? (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year ago | (#44765905)

Ballmer's final, lasting legacy:

Epic levels of failure.

More? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765353)

Are they just trying to see how tall they can make a mountain of unsold Surfaces?

Re:More? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765663)

I didn't know they stacked shit that high!

Re:More? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765775)

If at first you didn't fail hard enough, fail, fail fail again.

Re:More? (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year ago | (#44766081)

Im not clear why theyre not selling. I dont particularly need one (the touchscreen would be of no use to me, and the form factor only marginally so), but my experience with them in the store was that the pros were solid. Certainly the folks at Penny Arcade gave a glowing review of the pro, and IIRC the newer comics are being done on it due to its excellent built in wacom.

Is it just the price point? $800 for an ultra-bookish laptop with an incredible touch screen seems pretty competitive to me....

Surface Pro (5, Interesting)

Cid Highwind (9258) | about a year ago | (#44765423)

Is it still going to cost as much as a 10" Android tablet AND a low-end laptop, while offering neither the portability of the first nor the big screen and hard drive of the second?

Yeah, I think I hear another billion dollar write-off coming...

Re:Surface Pro (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44765517)

Pricing not announced however, with Haswell processors, I don't expect Surface Pro 2 to be cheaper than Android. As for the Surface that really depends on the cost of Tegra 4.

Re:Surface Pro (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765609)

Tablet + Keyboard solutions are trade off devices.
The Surface Pro does a decent job of managing it.

Re:Surface Pro (2)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year ago | (#44765885)

And yet it doesn't sell...

At what point does a company admit the jig is up?

Re:Surface Pro (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765901)

When you post these comments as AC, does Microsoft still pay you?

Re:Surface Pro (1)

udippel (562132) | about a year ago | (#44766039)

And when you post this comment as AC, who pays you?

Re:Surface Pro (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year ago | (#44766135)

Gosh, I suppose anyone who likes the surface must be a shill, including Penny Arcade [penny-arcade.com] .

Its not like they would be well suited to evaluate computers, or tablets, right?

Re:Surface Pro (0)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year ago | (#44766115)

Its expensive and Id never buy a laptop costing that much, but lets keep in mind a lot of high-end laptops sit right around the $800-900 pricepoint while lacking the built-in wacom.

Id also note that a lot of those high-end laptops (ie, Samsung Series 9) have 128GB SSDs, so thats not terribly unusual either. Im actually sort of not clear why all the hate for the Surface Pros, which AFAICT were pretty solid machines.

Bye Bye (2)

bravecanadian (638315) | about a year ago | (#44765427)

Notebook and tablet. Hello Surface Pro 2.

Can't wait.

Re:Bye Bye (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about a year ago | (#44765743)

Can't wait for the fire sale.

Re:Bye Bye (4, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#44766177)

Can't wait.

Good news! The line won't be long at all.

You Don't Change a Winner! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765435)

Stay the course when you have the best! Microsoft Surface All the Way! You know you want one but all you can get are cheap Chinese Adnoids.

Re:You Don't Change a Winner! (1)

scarboni888 (1122993) | about a year ago | (#44765569)

OMFG that's the funniest comment I think i've ever seen on here.

well played, sir! well played.

Want a sale? Change the screen - 2560x1600 please (4, Insightful)

ciderbrew (1860166) | about a year ago | (#44765449)

If they want something that wins Sell me the 2560 x 1600 screen I want. SOLD. We need two. The google pixel cost too much for what or I'd have that.

Re:Want a sale? Change the screen - 2560x1600 plea (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year ago | (#44766149)

With Haswell, a built in wacom, AND 2560x1600, I think the pricepoint would be rather higher.

Make it the full version (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a year ago | (#44765511)

for 499.

Re:Make it the full version (3, Insightful)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#44765871)

At a good price MS would have this won. The luxury old Apple like price point is just not working.

Version 2?? (1)

scarboni888 (1122993) | about a year ago | (#44765553)

Some people never learn.

Re:Version 2?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765657)

Some people never learn.

Yeah, everyone knows it takes at least three versions for a Microsoft product to get usable, and four versions for it to really get good.

Re:Version 2?? (1)

rossdee (243626) | about a year ago | (#44765717)

I think I'll wait for version 98SE

Re:Version 2?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765661)

MS products aren't generally usable or successful until version 3.
So they're pushing 2 out there to fail in preparation for v3 next year.

Re:Version 2?? (2)

nine-times (778537) | about a year ago | (#44765673)

No, no, it makes sense. If Microsoft can just get to version 4, then they'll start to have a halfway decent product. Of course, somewhere around version 6, it'll become a bloated piece of crap. Then around version 8, they'll force 'features' down your throat that you don't want.

That's how it always works.

Re:Version 2?? (1)

TCQuad (537187) | about a year ago | (#44765919)

Then around version 8, they'll force 'features' down your throat that you don't want.

"You got rid of the touch screen?"

"Yup, now it's all eye gestures! Cameras on either side record and extrapolate, figuring out what you're looking at. Simply blink your left eye to left click, your right eye to right click and both of them to go back to the new and improved desktop replacement, the home tesseract!"

Re:Version 2?? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year ago | (#44765977)

Uh that actually sounds awesome.

Re: Version 2?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44766067)

But will it work wih my cataracts?

THIS is why I come to Slashdot! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765627)

No one else in the tech world is so willing to cover the most exciting tech news like Microsoft's latest tablets! Other sites just blather on and on about Apple and Android and other irrelevant tech topics, only SLASHDOT is willing to put up stories about the real movers and shakers of the industry. Thank you Dice.com! BEST SITES ON THE WEB!

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765643)

Does it run GNU/Linux?

No. (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44765797)

Does it run GNU/Linux?

It doesn't even let you run your own programs. Its a locked down tablet.

Holy cow!! (4, Funny)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44765649)

The only other confirmed change will be new kickstands that have 2 positions instead of one.

Holy crap ... a kickstand with 2 positions.

Now that is innovation and market leadership.

Re:Holy cow!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765777)

I'd say including an active digitiser in the original Surface Pro was pretty innovative. It's the first tablet to do so.

Re:Holy cow!! (0)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44765907)

I'd say including an active digitiser in the original Surface Pro was pretty innovative. It's the first tablet to do so.

Given that I had to google to figure out WTF that is, and given that you can already buy a stylus for about $15 which allows you to do the same thing on a 'normal' touchscreen ... what fraction of the market actually knows or cares about that?

It sounds like niche functionality which is just increasing the cost of these tablets for little benefit to most people.

But, hey, if that's a feature you need for what you're doing, run wild with it. That neither my iPad nor my Nexus 7 have it and I've never missed it (or known what it is) means that for me it's not differentiating technology for most people.

Re:Holy cow!! (4, Interesting)

Voyager529 (1363959) | about a year ago | (#44766127)

I'd say including an active digitiser in the original Surface Pro was pretty innovative. It's the first tablet to do so.

Given that I had to google to figure out WTF that is, and given that you can already buy a stylus for about $15 which allows you to do the same thing on a 'normal' touchscreen ... what fraction of the market actually knows or cares about that?

It sounds like niche functionality which is just increasing the cost of these tablets for little benefit to most people.

But, hey, if that's a feature you need for what you're doing, run wild with it. That neither my iPad nor my Nexus 7 have it and I've never missed it (or known what it is) means that for me it's not differentiating technology for most people.

I'd say both you and the grandparent missed the mark. the HTC Flyer had one, as does the Galaxy Note (both phone and tablet flavors), and both companies have had them on the market for over a year. The $15 stylus is a night-and-day difference from an active digitizer; it's clear you've never used one. They're significantly more precise, and have the ability to detect differences in pressure. I've also found that the $15 stylus offerings for capacitive screens tend to be inconsistent - straight lines frequently have gaps in them (making the use of Swype or Swiftkey Flow a nightmare), and even the premium ones feel so light and flimsy.

As for it being a niche feature, Samsung sold 5 million Note 2 phones within the first three months of release...and that was still in 2012. If we assume that that's five million handsets and that Samsung never sold another one since, and that 80% of the people who bought one don't care about the S-Pen...that still means that a million people bought their Note 2 for its active digitizer.

Re:Holy cow!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44766137)

Given that I had to google to figure out WTF that is

Lost all credibility

you can already buy a stylus for about $15 which allows you to do the same thing on a 'normal' touchscreen

Oh wait you found more to lose.

Re:Holy cow!! (1)

spacepimp (664856) | about a year ago | (#44766201)

A digitizer and a stylus for a touchscreen/tablet are not even remotely similar in accuracy. The accuracy levels of a digitizer vs stylus on a touchscreen are roughly pen to sidewalk chalk or finger painting respectively.

Bought nokia (-1, Offtopic)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about a year ago | (#44765675)

I am going to ignore this story (because it is stupid) and instead comment on Microsoft basically buying Nokia. First a prediction, smartphones are going to be commodity items in 5 years. Yes there will still be some high end units but 5 years from now the fight will not be in features such as screen size, resolution, computing power, etc. It will be in the old features such as durability, battery capacity, cost, and weight. This is where Nokia can excel. Thus if Microsoft can keep from putting MS office on everything it makes then Microsoft has a chance of controlling the OS on a significant proportion of the phones out there.

I have another prediction. MS will think that two wrongs make a right and start giving Surfaces away with their new XBoxes (Limited time offer)

Re:Bought nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765751)

"It will be in the old features such as durability, battery capacity, cost, and weight. This is where Nokia can excel."

You might be right about specs being less important, but people will care about the OS and apps its running and right now MS is losing. And decisions like Windows8 on the desktop, SurfaceRT, and XBone make MS look incapable of reading their customers.

Re:Bought nokia (1)

slaker (53818) | about a year ago | (#44765909)

Specs ARE largely irrelevant, albeit within reason. There's almost no practical difference between an i7 and a Pentium g CPU for most desktop computing purposes and there's little difference between a quad core ARM and a single core version for many mobile applications. Screen resolution, form factor and speed of data access are the biggest differentiating factors most of the time.

That said, Android is nearly-free-except-for-some-licensing-fees and Apple isn't going to open up iOS. Does anyone really think Microsoft is going to start giving away ANYTHING that's branded "Windows?" Because if Microsoft is trying to make money on its mobile OS, it's just going to price itself out of any sort of wide adoption.

Off-Topic (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44765765)

It will be in the old features such as durability, battery capacity, cost, and weight. This is where Nokia can excel. Thus if Microsoft can keep from putting MS office on everything...

Talking about Nokias soon to be released tablet the Sirius...basically a big Lumia Phone, with none too shabby specifications at least on paper, would at least been on topic.

Nokia as was is seriously gutted, its best people have been driven away or been sacked...anyone left will either be sacked by Microsoft...or assimilated by Microsoft famously know for snuffing talent. Nokia has killed off its Manufacturing and is simply another "Designed in" which translates as "Made in China"...In context of this article Office fails to sell to the consumer market.

Re:Bought nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765807)

They're going to be a commodity, but people are going to buy the one which runs the ecosystem which they have been using to buy their apps etc. So my kids, who have been hooked by their ipod touches, are going to stick with Apple. My wife and I are going to stick with Android, where I have paid for a number of apps I find useful. And Winphones are going to be left out, unless the gamble of making people hate using their desktop os just to force an installed app base pays off. I know I just bought a $1500+ Dell laptop over an equally nice Sony, purely because the Sony only came with Windows 8. And I actually have Win8 on a home laptop, so I know why I'm avoiding it.

Re:Bought nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765811)

Except that Nokia laid off everyone from their factories, sold the land and buildings, and have their phones made for them in China now. How are they going to differentiate again?

Re:Bought nokia (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44765841)

First of all you're assuming that MS/Nokia could compete with the Asian manufacturers and still be profitable? As it stands today, Nokia sells a lot of dumb phones but for no profit. The Asian manufacturers like Samsung are not going to stand still. It really doesn't matter much if your product is the best out there if you are not making any money. Second, given the history of MS acquisitions destroying the other company, do you really think the Nokia today will not be consumed in the MS inner turmoil? Look at what happened to Danger. Maybe Nokia can keep up with their quality and execution despite MS. I don't think so. Lastly, consumers don't want really want Office. Businesses might want a practical convertible laptop/tablet. Right now MS needs to work more on Win8 to get there for this to be practical even if the hardware was available. I personally think the Nokia deal is the start of a patent war by proxy. MS did that with SCO, I think they'll do it with Nokia.

woo! new kickstands! (4, Funny)

swschrad (312009) | about a year ago | (#44765689)

hey, honey, I'm taking down the retirement account and getting me two of them Surface 2s with the high-wattage kickstand! it has TWO positions! AND they have Windows 8.1 with the start button!
.
.
.
why are you packing everything? oh, it's only my stuff?

Yawn (1)

midifarm (666278) | about a year ago | (#44765735)

Boring...

Sounds good so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765745)

If the price is right and the battery life is accurate, I wouldn't mind having a Surface Pro 2.

Only TWO positions ? (2)

alexhs (877055) | about a year ago | (#44765785)

I thought the Surface v1 kickstand already had two positions: opened and closed ? Wasn't it working as advertized ?

Finish this sentence to find their target market. (4, Interesting)

clinko (232501) | about a year ago | (#44765823)

I want a _Surface_Tablet_ because ________.

Examples, leaving iPad's out:
I want _a_Tivo_ because _I_don't_like_my_Cable_DVR_.

I want a _Honda_ because _I_trust_the_brand_based_on_past_experience_.

My point is that the Surface doesn't fit anything for me.

Based on Microsoft's own site http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/surface-with-windows-8-pro/ [microsoft.com]
Microsoft believes our answers are :

I want a _Surface_Tablet_ because _I_Need_Office_on_a_tablet_.

I want a _Surface_Table_ because _I_need_a_neat_keyboard_on_a_tablet_.

I want a _Surface_Table_ because _I_need_USB_Port_.

I'm not the target market, but I don't know who is?

Re:Finish this sentence to find their target marke (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44765963)

The funny thing about the USB port is that it is both a feature and necessity. Yes you can expand your storage, but because Windows 8 and Windows RT takes up 41GB and 16 GN respectively, you need the port just to compete with Android or iOS. While iOS and Android take up max about 3-4GB, they don't take up half of the device's storage space.

Find the graveyard (5, Interesting)

onyxruby (118189) | about a year ago | (#44765855)

The more interesting question is where is the graveyard holding millions of unsold original Surface tablets? Were they dismantled in Asia? Were they buried next to ET? Were they lost in a warehouse and locked up only to be discovered in 2021? Have they been lost at sea along with the cargo ship necessary to hold them all?

I find this question far more interesting than a new kickstand on a product that has failed before ever getting released.

Re:Find the graveyard (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765923)

ET cartridges weren't ever buried. That is a myth.

Re:Find the graveyard (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44766061)

I heard that MS will give them away to schools [informationweek.com] . It's a win-win for MS. They get the tax write-off and look like they are doing something for charity. Also they may get a generation used to using Surface when they wouldn't have purchased one.

1 position was never a good idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765859)

...because microsoft customers were tired of taking it from behind.

Ooooooh..... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44765895)

And what operating system will they run?

game night (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765899)

Balmer and Elop are playing a giant game of Jenga with unsold Surface RTs

They seem to be missing the point. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44765927)

Tablets aren't really about having huge amounts of ram or a bigger gpu/cpu. Its about convenience. If I cared about portal power Id buy a laptop. I want a tablet because I can check emails, watch videos, surf the internet, have the calendar, run a few apps and such and its convenient to do so. I really don't care about horsepower and ram in a tablet. Im not going to be playing battlefield 4 or editing videos on a tablet, no one will.

Its going to be expensive as well. So much that Ill be able to find plenty of alternatives from companies that understand tablets for half the cost.

Re:They seem to be missing the point. (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44766143)

My guess is that MS thinks this merger will happen eventually and they want to be ahead of the curve. Apple and Google are going with what works now. Maybe in the future, Android and iOS will be one OS with Linux and OS X respectively but for now, the two are separate. The problem for MS is that this hybrid version doesn't work well. But MS will throw years and money at it until it happens.

Same problem with all manufacturers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44766021)

The problem here is that all manufacturers don't innovate.
They keep milking the same cow. When iphone 4 or 5 came out, Samsung came out and said their is better.
Then the next year samsung came out with the s4 and it looked the same as the S3.

Silver lining (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#44766045)

Ballmer will still be in charge, and this time will be real the "betting the company" on this one. Could be the final push for a company at the edge of the abyss.

Call me when... (1)

bearinboots (743355) | about a year ago | (#44766049)

... the kickstand goes up to 11.

Putting lipstick on a pig.... (1)

erp_consultant (2614861) | about a year ago | (#44766051)

These small additions, although welcome additions, will do nothing to increase MS's tablet market share. How about throwing in the keyboard for free? How about some steeper price cuts? How about some free credits from the MS store?

Look - I applaud MS for trying to make a mark in the tablet space but they are fighting a really uphill battle. If they expect to have any sustained success with these things they are going to have to do something really aggressive. As it stands now, I can't think of a single compelling reason to buy a Surface over an iPad or one of the (better) Android tablets. Your move Mr. Ballmer.

Okay, so I'm a little confused. (4, Interesting)

wjcofkc (964165) | about a year ago | (#44766057)

Then again, it's not difficult to get confused about an MS product lineup these days. So do I understand that Surface RT is now just called Surface or Surface Pro while they then have the Surface Pro 2? Having Surface RT in the mix was confusing enough, but at least the RT implied something was different. Now they're both called Surface, dropping the RT on the ARM model? Huh? I can see this resulting in a lot of returns when people realize they purchased the wrong model the hard way. Or few returns since they aren't exactly selling. Did I RTFA too fast and miss something or what?

Re:Okay, so I'm a little confused. (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44766211)

Surface RT (v2) will now be called Surface. Surface Pro (v2) will be Surface Pro 2. At least according to leaks and rumors. They may or may now be true. Heck MS could name them Surface One and Surface Pro One if they wanted.

How about a little more balance? (4, Interesting)

MaWeiTao (908546) | about a year ago | (#44766125)

The community here is doing a good job of driving me away from Slashdot as a source for tech news. Every single story that mentions Microsoft turns into a circle jerk bashing the company. Few here seem capable of having a mature discussion about the topic with the level of cynicism going beyond any sense of reason. What makes anything Microsoft is doing inherently inferior to Google, Apple or Sony? Excluding, of course, the fact that Microsoft remains the company it's cool to hate. Nevermind everything they've enabled over the last few decades.

It's one thing when the topic specifically discusses Microsoft's missteps, but this is getting ridiculous.

More RAM and a better processor, which entails almost every single hardware update ever, for some reason paints a lackluster picture when Microsoft is behind it. Other than the stupid decision Microsoft made in offering the Surface RT, there was nothing wrong with the hardware. I'd be more concerned if they went with a totally new form factor.

And what's with the fixation on the new kickstand? It looks to me like tech specs were leaked and some internet twat specifically brought up the kickstand to turn the news into yet another anti-Microsoft joke. They don't even know what the kickstand improvements entail, but that's what this writer chose to emphasize.

The ironic thing here is that Infoworld even listed that kickstand as one of the 10 things Microsoft needed to improve. Microsoft has done so and now they're bashing them for it. But some of the stuff they're complaining about seems unreasonable because they tolerate worse from Apple. I don't think I've ever seen a single person complain about Apple charging $40 for a rubber cover embedded with a few magnets. Not to say I don't think the Surface Pro isn't expensive, but it's also far closer to being a proper laptop than the iPad.

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