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US Intercepts Iranian Order For Attack On US Embassy In Iraq

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the fool-me-once.. dept.

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cold fjord writes "Another NSA story? The Wall Street Journal reports, 'The U.S. has intercepted an order from Iran to militants in Iraq to attack the U.S. Embassy and other American interests in Baghdad in the event of a strike on Syria ... U.S. officials said they are on alert for Iran's fleet of small, fast boats in the Persian Gulf ... U.S. officials also fear Hezbollah could attack the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. While the U.S. has moved military resources in the region for a possible strike, it has other assets in the area that would be ready to respond to any reprisals by Syria, Iran or its allies. ... Israel has so far been the focus of concerns about retaliation from Iran and its Lebanese militant ally Hezbollah. The commander-in-chief of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard Corps said last week that an attack on Syria would lead to the "destruction of Israel." ... The Iranian message, intercepted in recent days, came from Qasem Soleimani, the head of Revolutionary Guards' Qods Force, and went to Iranian-supported Shiite militia groups in Iraq, according to U.S. officials.' What's interesting is this Washington Post story from 2011: Iran's Quds Force was blamed for attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq."

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Keep the Distraction Machine Running (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779423)

Situation normal.

Re:Keep the Distraction Machine Running (1, Insightful)

major_handicap (2882291) | about a year ago | (#44779443)

All f*&ked up...

Re:Keep the Distraction Machine Running (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779677)

All f*&ked up...

This was modded "Insightful."

If only the Wall Street Journal could deliver this level of insight.

Re:Keep the Distraction Machine Running (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | about a year ago | (#44779847)

And in a unrelated news story, "today is friday."

Re:Keep the Distraction Machine Running (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779479)

So you admit your post is a distraction from this troubling news? That is unusually honest of you, but raises many questions.

WSJ is not exactly a credible source (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779449)

I dont believe WSJ article on this is credible.

Re:WSJ is not exactly a credible source (4, Insightful)

MarkvW (1037596) | about a year ago | (#44779453)

All Rupert Murdoch newspapers are warmongering tools.

Re:WSJ is not exactly a credible source (4, Funny)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#44779553)

One of the hazards of the news business is that occasionally you end up reporting unpleasant or disagreeable news like this. Even "rainbows and puppies" papers like USA today are carrying the story.

Do you prefer the news, or rainbows, puppies, and unicorns?

Re:WSJ is not exactly a credible source (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779619)

PUPPIES!!!

Re:WSJ is not exactly a credible source (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779625)

Most people prefer rainbows, puppies and Unicorns. They can't deal with the harsh facts of life

Re:WSJ is not exactly a credible source (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779657)

One of the hazards of the news business is that occasionally you end up reporting unpleasant or disagreeable news like this. Even "rainbows and puppies" papers like USA today are carrying the story.

Do you prefer the news, or rainbows, puppies, and unicorns?

Hey, don't diss unicorns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbR83fpa33E [youtube.com]

Re:WSJ is not exactly a credible source (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779675)

Nonsense. The WSJ (on the right) and NYT (on the left) are the two most intellectually solid papers in the US. Both have, over the last 20 years, been responsible for first breaking any number of very important stories.
Anybody who dismisses either of these papers because they happen to dislike the owners or the story being told doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

Re: WSJ is not exactly a credible source (1)

therealkevinkretz (1585825) | about a year ago | (#44780151)

Actually, while the WSJ's op-Ed staff is aligned right/libertarian, the news department is still pretty left. But it's much easier to just dismiss it without checking, isn't it?

Re:WSJ is not exactly a credible source (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779471)

Let me elaborate. I do not trust a murdoch outlet whose agenda is aligned with neoconservatives.

Re:WSJ is not exactly a credible source (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779731)

I dont believe WSJ article on this is credible.

Yeah, I won't believe it until there's a Youtube video posted up on LiveLeak or I get a personal email from Edward Snowden...

Re:WSJ is not exactly a credible source (2)

MyLongNickName (822545) | about a year ago | (#44779961)

WSJ is simply reporting what the gov't reported, it isn't like WSJ intercepted this with its crack reporters. It is the US gov't that I don't trust.

SURE. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779461)

We believe you. Lying bastards.

Re:SURE. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779729)

Obama: The NSA is not spying on the US public in general.
Obama: What you are not seeing is abuses by the NSA
Obama: If you like your heath plan you can keep it
Obama: The ACA will reduce the deficit and healthecare costs
Obama: Bengazi was the result of a YouTube Video.

I think you are pointing your "lying" finger in the wrong direction.

And if they do this, we have to do that, and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779465)

...then they can't not retaliate, which we can't let go unanswered, and...
Somebody call the kindergarten teacher.

Re:And if they do this, we have to do that, and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779635)

Precisely.

But even if this "Intercept" is 100% accurate so what the fuck? As much as I don't like US embassy coming under attack I would not be surprised if it does. When we attack we can expect a retaliation which is only normal. The way to avoid it would be to simply not bomb Syria -- to teach Syria that it should not bomb it self.

Syria downed Turkey's jet (which should not have been where it was to begin with) and NATO is obliged to bomb Syria was a war rhetoric a while back, and that was exemplary goal. So Iran says attack US thingy if US attacks my friend is bad and if did happen it would amount to an act of war and there \fore NATO will destroy Iran! All sing "What a wonderful world" but in a very sad sad sad tone.

Re:And if they do this, we have to do that, and... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779869)

You don't understand - the U.S. is like a cop. They're allowed to attack anyone they want, but you're a criminal if you resist in any way. The Syrians and their Iranian allies should just lay back, relax, and enjoy the pathetic reaming they're about to recieve.

Re:And if they do this, we have to do that, and... (1)

cavreader (1903280) | about a year ago | (#44780183)

"simply not bomb Syria"

Because of the way in which this whole conflict has been mismanaged if the US does nothing you will hear Iran, Syria, Russia, and Hezbollah claiming the US was scared. Since no one seems to care about the actual citizens being killed I will go the same route and say the US should at least destroy any airstrips being used by the Syrian air force, neutralize a section of their air defense systems, and destroy any jets or helicopters that happen to be in the air or sitting on the ground. This strike package would keep civilian deaths low. The strike won't actually help any civilians or end the conflict but since nobody seems to care about them it is really not a factor in making this decision. And last but not least give Putin a great big fuck you by loudly announcing how easy it was to render the Russian supplied air defense systems ineffective. The US did it in the first Iraq war and more recently in Libya. Israel has already hit targets inside of Syria 3 times in the past 6 months without losing a single plane. I find it hard to believe the Syrian radar officers just happened to be at lunch or in the bathroom every time Israel attacked. Russia and Iran have a lot to lose right now. If the US does strike despite Russia's warning Putin will look week and US-Russian relations would nosedive even further than they already are but who cares. If Iran or Hezbollah attempt to retaliate by shooting off a couple of missiles at Israel they would give Israel all the reason they need to finish off Hezbollah once and for all because the US will not step in and force any type of cease fire and Israel can finally take care of their problem. However, if the US does not attack then they should announce they are washing their hands of the entire matter. This includes no humanitarian aid or arms and refuse to participate in any worthless negotiations or summits that never accomplish a single thing. And finally announce the US will not help enforce UN declarations and international laws governing war behavior. Nobody else cares so why should the US?

America would deserve it... (5, Interesting)

adamchou (993073) | about a year ago | (#44779477)

As a US service member, I really don't want this to happen because I'll probably get sent there if this flares up and I've got less than 5 months left in the military. However, I think the US fully deserves it if they do carry out this attack on Syria.

Re:America would deserve it... (-1, Troll)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#44779527)

Sniff..sniff..?? ... sniff..sniff....... smells like a troll to me.

Re:America would deserve it... (2)

adamchou (993073) | about a year ago | (#44779587)

How is this a troll?

Re:America would deserve it... (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44779649)

How is this a troll?

It's not - cold fjord is our resident boot-licking statist, and you just stepped on his dick with your honest account.

Re:America would deserve it... (-1, Troll)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#44779761)

I guess we can always count on you to sympathize with people that think the US should be attacked, and Americans killed, because you're such a super "patriot," or something.

By the way, I've got a question for you. I don't think that the collapse of the World Trade Center from the 9/11 attacks in New York, crushing thousands of people to death, resulted in the "Tree of Liberty" growing any stronger from the blood shed. Do you? Do you think they were just not "patriotic enough" to make a difference? Is there any point where you think too much American blood can be shed in slaughter instead of battle? Or is every American killed at work or shopping by terrorists another tick mark toward "liberty" to you - the more Americans murdered the "freer" you feel?

Re:America would deserve it... (5, Insightful)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about a year ago | (#44780033)

And here I thought you'd got control of yourself, cold fjord; all the submissions have been bumping up your karma rating, and I hadn't seen anything inflammatory from you lately.

Being unsurprised at tit-for-tat has nothing to do with being an Anti-US sympathizer. What you'll find though is that there are a growing number of people who are against the US government's foreign policy, because it costs lives, often without appearing to have any benefit to the US as a whole (only to businesses who have a vested interest in some foreign country).

When Israel says "let the Muslim world handle this" and the UN almost unilaterally takes a "don't touch this" attitude, then some nation issues orders to retaliate if the US conducts an unprovoked assault on another nation, when said nation is known to be high on the list of "next targets", WHY IS THE US GOVERNMENT IGNORING THE REST OF THE WORLD, INCLUDING MANY OF ITS OWN CITIZENS, TO CONSIDER ATTACKING, AND THEN IS IN A HUFF WHEN ANOTHER NATION GIVES ITS OPERATIVES SIMILAR INSTRUCTIONS?

You can't have it both ways, as your comments about 9/11 so clearly indicate.

Show me the number of Americans killed by terrorists, averaged over the past decade -- I'll show you the number of Americans and non-Americans killed by American corporate and governmental greed and negligence. Neither have much of anything to do with this discussion.

Re:America would deserve it... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44780213)

"Being unsurprised at tit-for-tat has nothing to do with being an Anti-US sympathizer"
No, but saying the US "deserves" it is different from being "unsurprised."

"I'll show you the number of Americans and non-Americans killed by American corporate and governmental greed and negligence."
Hahaha big bad america, eh? BRING IT ON, you fucking douchecanoe.

Re:America would deserve it... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44780163)

your a nigar

Re:America would deserve it... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44779665)

How is this a troll?

Your claim as US service personnel on /. sets off real or imaginary Troll Klaxons among the readership. Keep in mind, this is situation normal for /.

I work with and have worked with US service personnel, one of our current admins is Reserve, but was in fire control support, two tours in Iraq. I'm sure he's thinking the same things.

Re:America would deserve it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779699)

You claimed that people in one country deserve to be attacked and killed due to the actions of different people in another country. No part of that can ever not be trolling.

Re:America would deserve it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779591)

Why would you get sent there now? The US military is already positioned and ready to strike without you.
Unless you're sent to guard an embassy. In which case, you might not feel it's so deserved if you die defending an embassy under attack.

Re:America would deserve it... (2)

adamchou (993073) | about a year ago | (#44779693)

If Iran does order attacks on US elements and/or attacks Israel, the US will almost certainly get involved, which likely means I'll get my contract extended or get recalled and get sent to another crappy country we don't belong in.

Re:America would deserve it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779771)

I misread. Yes, hopefully nothing is escalated beyond rhetoric, and Americans troops are spared.

Re:America would deserve it... (0)

citizenr (871508) | about a year ago | (#44780111)

which likely means I'll get my contract extended or get recalled and get sent to another crappy country we don't belong in.

Were you drafted by force? or did you sign up from your own will to kill people? What exactly are you complaining about?

Re:America would deserve it... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779597)

As a former U.S. service member, I'm with this guy. Both sides of the Syrian civil war are equally "bad guys". Sometimes going to war is warranted, getting involved in Syria isn't.

Re:America would deserve it... (1)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | about a year ago | (#44779673)

I think the US fully deserves it if they do carry out this attack on Syria.

Unfortunately for you, it doesn't matter what you think.

Re:America would deserve it... (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44779851)

I've got less than 5 months left in the military.

You're worried they'd send you home before you'd get a chance to grin in the photo of raising a US flag on the roof of the Sa'dabad Palace?

Re:America would deserve it... (1)

adamchou (993073) | about a year ago | (#44779877)

If things escalated, and they needed to deploy more people, they could extend contracts and/or recall people.

Zimmerman Telgram (2)

puddingebola (2036796) | about a year ago | (#44779485)

No idea if it's legitimate or not, but the Zimmerman Telegram was the first thing that came to mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram [wikipedia.org]

Re:Zimmerman Telgram (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#44779853)

It's not that surprising, Syria and Iran are allies. Would you really expect Iran to stand by and do nothing while the US attacks Syria? The only reason any rational actor would not want to join with their allies in that situation is fear of losing badly. Thus it makes sense that Iran would attack through its proxy clients, much like the US and Russia did during the cold war.

Whether the actual leak is a true leak or not, it certainly matches a likely reality. It's also foolish to assume it is a reason to invade in any way. Plenty of countries have similar agreements.

BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (5, Insightful)

Uberbah (647458) | about a year ago | (#44779549)

Within the last 10 years, both the United States and Israel have been busted for faking intelligence for supporting military strikes. The IDF, all of three years ago, was caught dubbing hair on fire anti-semitic [maxblumenthal.com] slurs onto tapes from the Freedom Flotilla.

And, of course, remember that the U.S. and Israel have already committed multiple acts of war upon Iran, whether by Stuxnet or assassinating their nuclear scientists.

Re:BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (4, Insightful)

skipkent (1510) | about a year ago | (#44779559)

Hey now, haven't you learned that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic?

Re:BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779651)

Haven't you learned that statements like that are antisemitic?

Re:BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779689)

Anti-zionism is not antisemitism

Re:BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779813)

What's a zion?

Re:BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779979)

Sure Everyone has the right to self determination...
Oh sorry that's everyone except You Jews.
but there's nothing antisemitic about that at all.

captcha: relative

Re:BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (3, Funny)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44779663)

Hey now, haven't you learned that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic?

Nah, see, it's cool - we balance it with a good helping of love for John Stewart.

Re:BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (2, Insightful)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | about a year ago | (#44779691)

One or two nutjobs that nobody cares about have labeled legitimate anti-israel criticism as anti-semitic.

Yet people like you make it sound like some big widespread thing so that you can feel like oppressed victims.

Re:BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44780169)

Yes, it's true that there are pro-Isreal groups out there that throw around wild accusations of antisemitism any time someone disagrees with them over Israeli policy.

It is also true that actual Jew-haters frequently attempt to use this as cover for their bigotry. 'Of coarse the Jewish lobby will call me a antisemite for saying this, just like anyone who criticizes Israel...'

Re:BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (1, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year ago | (#44779893)

Umm... not that I want to justify the US in doing all their nastiness in the middle east but Iran hasn't exactly been laying olive branches at our feet. As bad as our government is, I'm under no delusion about what's going to happen once the psychopaths in charge of that country have nukes. In my opinion Israels justified in doing just about anything they want to prevent that from happening because I doubt there will be an Israel anymore after it does.. or an Iran for that matter. I think the only thing that maybe makes such a situation not so terrifying is that somehow North Koreas managed not to go bat-shit crazy since they got their nukes. But then again, North Korea and Japan do not have the religious zealotry that Iran and Israel do. God help us all indeed.

Re:BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (2)

skipkent (1510) | about a year ago | (#44779997)

Gee I wonder how those psychopaths got into power. It's not like the CIA overthrew their democratically elected leader and installed their own lap dog leading to revolution a decade later instilling anti american feelings in the region or anything.

Re:BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about a year ago | (#44780071)

Within the last 10 years, both the United States and Israel have been busted for faking intelligence for supporting military strikes. The IDF, all of three years ago, was caught dubbing hair on fire anti-semitic [maxblumenthal.com] slurs onto tapes from the Freedom Flotilla.

And, of course, remember that the U.S. and Israel have already committed multiple acts of war upon Iran, whether by Stuxnet or assassinating their nuclear scientists.

Bringing Israel into it muddies the waters in this case though, as Israel is against bringing a non-Muslim nation in to attack their Neighbor. They want Syria to be stable, and don't want another Iraq popping up right beside them, especially with Palestine situated where it is. The US is on its own on this one.

Re:BS Detectors at Maximum, Mr. Sulu (2)

onyxruby (118189) | about a year ago | (#44780081)

Get real, Iran has a history of openly supporting terrorism that goes back for decades. Iran has used proxies to attack the United States and Israel for years in any number of environments. This is exactly the kind of thing that Iran has done and would do. You sound like the person claiming the neighborhood bully might not have beaten the class nerd, even though they have done so the last 78 times.

I'm supposed to trust this? (4, Insightful)

s.petry (762400) | about a year ago | (#44779557)

First, look at the source. I'm sure that the US intelligence agencies will all run to the Wall Street Journal with leaked information. Next, there have been no facts presented for anything else they have been banging a war drum on. Not just for this, but for decades. Are we really supposed to keep trusting known liars and a corrupt media system?

We also have this [cbslocal.com] one.

Not only do I not trust a corrupt media and politicians, I want them out of our country. Maybe a good first step in war is to start parachuting politicians into these foreign countries where they clamor for war?

Re:I'm supposed to trust this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779749)

Don't forget to register to vote Democrat in the next elections!

Because they're totally changing things!

Continuation of virtually all of the previous administration's illegal and unconstitutional programs? Check!
Continuation of standard "my vote goes to the highest gifter" lobbying? Check!
Continues expanding the control the federal government has over the lives of citizens? Check!

Ah, change we can believe in. I'm so glad the Democrats are working hard for the little guys.

Re:I'm supposed to trust this? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779989)

Maybe a good first step in war is to start parachuting politicians into these foreign countries where they clamor for war?

Poll: Majority Of Americans Approve Of Sending Congress To Syria [theonion.com]

The fishy smell just got worse. (5, Interesting)

who_stole_my_kidneys (1956012) | about a year ago | (#44779571)

So supposedly the US and British found evidence that Syria had used sarin, but refused to divulge the details. Now a mystery communication putting Iran and Syria together if attacked. First of all if they had intercepted this, why would they tell every one about it. Now Iran is going to find another form of communication since this one is compromised. The whole scenario is playing out like a bad 80's conspiracy movie.

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (-1, Redundant)

lesincompetent (2836253) | about a year ago | (#44779633)

Mod parent up.

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (4, Insightful)

cyberchondriac (456626) | about a year ago | (#44779645)

So supposedly the US and British found evidence that Syria had used sarin, but refused to divulge the details.

Well, that bit would make sense. If you divulge too many details, you leave clues as to how to came by your information which puts your spies and methods at risk. Which leads me to the next part...

Now a mystery communication putting Iran and Syria together if attacked. First of all if they had intercepted this, why would they tell every one about it. Now Iran is going to find another form of communication since this one is compromised. The whole scenario is playing out like a bad 80's conspiracy movie.

Agreed, releasing this doesn't make much sense from a US standpoint, IMO; if we had this info, why the hell would we make it public knowledge that we had it !? Seems it would've been smarter if we had played dumb and covertly made preparations to thwart any such attacks.

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (1)

Ukab the Great (87152) | about a year ago | (#44779819)

Well, that bit would make sense. If you divulge too many details, you leave clues as to how to came by your information which puts your spies and methods at risk. Which leads me to the next part...

Take tissue/DNA/blood/whatever samples from bunch of people who are from a very large bunch of people who've been exposed to some chemical and run scientific tests for that chemical. It's basic medical science; I can't believe there'd be anything sensitive or classified about the procedure itself, and there's probably enough medical NGO's operating in Syria that a three-letter organization could easily get samples without raising too many eyebrows.

But I'm not a spy, so what the heck do I know.

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (4, Interesting)

khasim (1285) | about a year ago | (#44779821)

Seems it would've been smarter if we had played dumb and covertly made preparations to thwart any such attacks.

Even if the message was authentic and there was a reason to release that information WHY is this going through the WSJ instead of from The White House?

The next question is WHO will call for the prosecution of the journalist at the WSJ who published this.

And WHO will call for the investigation and prosecution of who leaked that information.

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (5, Interesting)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44779705)

So supposedly the US and British found evidence that Syria had used sarin, but refused to divulge the details.

Conversely, Russian officials are claiming that they've found evidence [rt.com] that the rebels had used sarin, but instead of keeping it on the D/L, they're passing the info along to the UN inspectors.

FWIW.

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#44779957)

That's the great thing about having big stockpiles of chemical weapons - there are plenty to go around, capture, and use. But do keep in mind that the Syrian government has a bit more practice and training for this sort of thing.

Hama 1982 – The Syrian massacre you never heard about [abovetopsecret.com]

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (2)

s.petry (762400) | about a year ago | (#44780173)

Big on the propaganda? From wiki.org: In August, September and November 1981, the Brotherhood carried out three car-bomb attacks against government and military targets in Damascus, killing hundreds of people, according to the official press. On 2 February 1982, the Brotherhood led a major insurrection in Hama, rapidly taking control of the city; the military responded by bombing Hama (whose population was about 250,000) throughout the rest of the month, killing between 10,000 and 30,000 people. The tragedy of Hama marked the defeat of the Brotherhood, and the militant Islamic movement in general, as a political force in Syria. (Carré 1983, 159; ICG 11 February 2004, 4)

The article of course presents the Muslim brotherhood as innocent victims, and falsely claims that Assad's forces wiped out a whole city and gassed them to death.

I'm not claiming that both sides are correct, I'm claiming that presenting biased and factually incorrect information makes you appear to be a puppet.

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#44779707)

I say we nuke it from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779897)

Washington D.C.?

Angling to get Iran too (4, Insightful)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about a year ago | (#44779709)

Isn't this just what the US wants? They know that if they escalate things in Syria, they will drag in Iran, and then they will have the mandate they want to hit Iran.

I have a feeling that this was the plan all along....

Re:Angling to get Iran too (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#44779975)

You should note that is only possible if the Iranian government gives in to its general inclination towards terrorism [cfr.org] and hatred of the United States. (Talk about low hanging fruit.)

Re:Angling to get Iran too (1)

s.petry (762400) | about a year ago | (#44780127)

Funny that you quote the CFR as a source of reliable information regarding foreign policy. I'm guessing that you should study up on who the CFR is, and what they are about before you believe that they have the USA in their best interests.

Remember that most criminals will not tell you that they are criminals. When you have money and are a criminal, you get to pay people to never see you in the spotlight and make bad stories disappear.

Re:Angling to get Iran too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44780083)

[... I have a feeling that this was the plan all along....

I sure hope not. But, hey, I'm an optimist. I'm hoping the US and Iran don't want to go to war with each other (at least not directly).

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779711)

Umm, yeah. Everything since 9/11 has played out like a conspiracy movie. At this point, I really feel like there's a plan that's being put into motion, something's being orchestrated here. Is it real to think that the US president just went to Russia (where Snowden is living) to discuss "things", and they couldn't work out a reasonable method to not further war efforts? Meanwhile a basketball player is over in North Korea chatting up with his buddy, the leader.

Removing common human interests in the name of.... what again?

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779739)

First of all if they had intercepted this, why would they tell every one about it.

To build support for war, obviously.

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (2)

khallow (566160) | about a year ago | (#44779787)

Well, one obvious reason is to attempt to discourage Iran from actual retaliation for a Syrian strike. I suppose it could be a prelude to a US invasion of Iran, starting with a false flag attack on a US embassy or some such. But if that was going to happen, then why happen now rather than any time in the last twelve years?

My take is that the proposed retaliatory attacks are probably just an Iranian tactic to discourage US intervention in Syria and were intended to be intercepted by US intelligence. There's not much point to a threat, if no one is listening.

I think it'll be a mistake to threaten to attack Iraqi targets though. Lot of people in Iraq don't like Iran. And they can do things like invite a certain superpower in to already built military bases. Obama might have left Iraq more or less, but there's not much keeping the US under a different president from coming back.

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#44779917)

So supposedly the US and British found evidence that Syria had used sarin, but refused to divulge the details

Does this help?

Sarin gas was used in Syrian chemical weapons attack, says David Cameron [theguardian.com]

The positive tests for sarin were completed this week and made on clothes and soil taken from the site of the attack in Ghouta, eastern Damascus on 21 August. The tests were carried out in the past seven days by British scientists at the Porton Down facility, and will be deployed by Cameron in a fresh attempt to persuade the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, to do more to force the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, to the negotiating table.

The samples brought to the UK from the Syrian borders are different to the hair and blood samples tested in the US. Details of those test results were released by the US secretary of state, John Kerry, four days ago.

Re:The fishy smell just got worse. (1)

jon3k (691256) | about a year ago | (#44779935)

So supposedly the US and British found evidence that Syria had used sarin, but refused to divulge the details

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/03/happening-now-lawmakers-grill-obama-officials-on-syria/ [cnn.com]

2:45 p.m. ET - Sen. Bob Menendez: "We know that chemical weapons personnel from the Syrian Scientific Studies and Research Center – subordinate to the regime’s Ministry of Defense – were operating in the Damascus suburb of ‘Adra from Sunday, August 18th until early in the morning on Wednesday August 21st near an area the regime uses to mix chemical weapons including sarin and human intelligence as well as signal and geospatial intelligence have shown regime activity in the preparation of chemicals prior to the attack, including the distribution and use of gas masks.

We have multiple streams of intelligence that show the regime launched a rocket attack against the Damascus suburbs in the early hours of August 21st and satellite corroboration that the attacks were launched from a regime-controlled area and struck neighborhoods where the chemical attacks reportedly occurred clearly tying the pieces together. That is what we know in terms of who may have deployed these weapons.

Timing is suspect (4, Insightful)

m00sh (2538182) | about a year ago | (#44779577)

The day after Snowden reveals NSA snoops secure internet traffic ...

Do we even trust the media anymore? They are just a tool for beating the war drums now.

Wasn't the whole CIA-Iran coup thing started with planting false stories in the media. How do we know that we aren't being fed planted stories?

Re:Timing is suspect (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44780059)

doesn't take a genius to deduce that iran would suggest retaliation against local american assets should the u.s. attack its butt-buddies in syria.... dont even need to intercept a communication either.. cuz you KNOW with certainty that such a communication in some form or another exists... and iran couldn't possibly deny it either, the whole world knows iran wants to flatten america.

The U.S word is no good (4, Insightful)

Reliable Windmill (2932227) | about a year ago | (#44779585)

It's like they think we're suddenly going to believe them. Turn off the bullshit- and propaganda-machines, no one is listening.

Care Factor 0 (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779603)

If Israel gets attacked. Its the cause of a large amount of Middle East unrest

Re:Care Factor 0 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779983)

If Israel gets attacked. Its the cause of a large amount of Middle East unrest

More accurately: Sandniggers are the cause of Middle East unrest.

AF engine problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779615)

FFS please continue to inform the public of all juicy specific details about your intelligence expliots. Nobody is buying this bullshit.

Iran / Iraq (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779639)

Since I paid attention to the TV "news" as a teen or thereabouts, we (the west) have been at war with Iraq, then Iran, then Iraq, and now Iran is getting the propaganda treatment ready for another skirmish. Eric Blair must have used this for his 1984. I know people have short memories, aren't interested, claim it's god's will, or prefer "reality" TV to life beyond their sad lives, but come on, surely I'm not the only non-historian to see we're vacillating between these two?

We (the west, most likely US and UK) must be looking to supply Iraq (old UK territory) with a huge amount of expensive weaponry and military contractors, just like we did with Iran, and Iraq before them. It's not just the oil, it's the contracts, and it's not just the US. It's the old British and French regions constantly having to fight among themselves and the US led oil occupancy campaigns.

US Over-Hypes Lame "Intelligence" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779667)

In an effort to make their spying program more palatable to the general public, the US today released the kind of lame "intelligence" they run across every day that was never going to amount to anything anyway. Similar to several "terror plots" the government "prevented" which were largely incompetent people ensnared by homeland security honey pots.

Fine but leave my tranny wombat porn alone (2)

sandbagger (654585) | about a year ago | (#44779679)

This may be PR of course. However, assuming that this is true, and given how it is coming at a spectacularly bad week, it's timeliness makes me suspicious. However, this is the sort of stuff we want our spooks to catch not deploy a dragnet over our own society.

Re:Fine but leave my tranny wombat porn alone (4, Interesting)

mcl630 (1839996) | about a year ago | (#44779735)

My first thought reading this was (assuming the story is true), "this is exactly what the NSA is *supposed* to be doing." They should be focusing on gathering foreign intelligence, NOT collecting bazillions of phone records of Americans and coercing American companies (Google/Microsoft/etc) to build backdoors and weaknesses into their software and servers.

I dunno... it's from ColdFjord of all people. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44779703)

I dunno... it's from ColdFjord of all people. I mean, he's radically in favor of the NSA and anything that even remotely justifies their existance and current illegal activities is going to be spun as god's own truth. If he's involved in the discussion and the NSA is on topic, then I simply have to take everything with a fist-sized grain of salt. I'll just look elsewhere for information on who said what about Iran.

No credibility (3, Insightful)

RenHoek (101570) | about a year ago | (#44779713)

I think the US has lost all its credibility in the world since it became known where all of the 'credible documents' about Iraq came from. I'll believe there were chemical weapons used but most likely it was the rebels, trying to get other countries involved in their war.

Also, as a European, I'm getting ever so tired of hearing how 'America is the policeman of the world'. Why not let the Middle East countries clean up their own mess for once? The added bonus being a lot less angry Muslims giving the US the stinkeye.

Sounds About Right (1)

SGT CAPSLOCK (2895395) | about a year ago | (#44779779)

> The U.S. has intercepted

Sounds right so far.

> an order from Iran to militants in Iraq to attack the U.S. Embassy

Mm hmm...

> ...U.S. officials also fear...

They're more scared of us than we are of them! Right? Maybe that's spiders.

> the U.S. has moved military resources in the region for a possible strike

I can't go on. I'm really feeling terrified now, so... Ahh. I think I'll go watch some F** N**** to learn more about this.

So? (4, Interesting)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#44779791)

Let's say, for the sake of argument, this is a legitimate intercept that's been made public for the purposes of swaying public opinion in favor of the NSA's spying program. Were any of us upset that the US government is attempting to learn about the activities of other nations hostile to it? No, of course not.

But how does this supposedly justify any of the crap behavior we ARE upset about?

Do the Iranians use Verizon cell phones to give tactical orders to its sailors? Does Hezbollah use Gmail to coordinate its attacks? Maybe the G-20 ministers were going to kidnap an American right after the conference? Or perhaps its those NSA spooks' ex-wives that were going to aid and abet the Taliban in their next attacks?

Who else, but Cold Fjord? (2)

Anachragnome (1008495) | about a year ago | (#44779809)

Who else, but Cold Fjord?

In regards to his continued efforts as the resident NSA Shill here at Slashdot, I respect his dogged determination to continue the fight, futile as it may be.

Keep it up--you've become a de facto inside-line on what the Feds want us to believe. It's like having our own mole inside the NSA.

Timing... (1)

Falkentyne (760418) | about a year ago | (#44779829)

I have two words on the timing of this intercept in relation to new countries to invade:

Convenient

The second word was intercepted.

Can you believe those A-rabs? (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about a year ago | (#44779919)

What could they have against the US?

Easy solution (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year ago | (#44780041)

Close down the US embassies in Baghdad, Beirut, and indeed, elsewhere in the Middle East - Riyadh, Cairo, Tripoli, Khartoum, et al. Then they won't have to worry about Jihadi attacks on US embassies.

For the record, I'm against the US getting involved in either side, since there are no 'good guys' in this conflict. But if they insist on getting involved, they should evacuate all their embassies in the region, so that a rerun of the US embassy bombing in Beirut of 1983 or the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi more recently doesn't happen.

So now ... (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#44780053)

... the militants know that we are on to them. And they can adjust their command and control procedures to avoid future detection. And for what? Some positive spin on the NSA's antics?

FFS, this is what they are supposed to be doing. Not screwing around, feeding the DEA the lowdown on pot deals or handing the IRS lists of overseas bank accounts.

whootowl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44780079)

The fact that news of this intercept is released to mainstream press should be a clue that this tidbit is part of some broader false flag initiative, obviously one to raise the ire of Americans against the Iranians.

Lies, all lies. Never believe the powers that be (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44780095)

they always lie when it comes to making more $$ for the rich.

remember those religious nuts who said... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44780117)

that obama was the anti-christ and would lead to the end times or whatever? that looked wacky in 2008 but with obama on the verge of starting world war 3 i'm not laughing anymore.

You guys are hilarious! (0)

sethmeisterg (603174) | about a year ago | (#44780139)

You're all "The government is a bunch of liars". So even if they actually told the truth, you would never accept it. That's just awesome :).
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