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Microsoft Drops Price on Nokia's 41-Megapixel Phone

timothy posted about a year ago | from the that-is-a-lot-of-megapixel dept.

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TechRadar reports today the first major public-facing move that Microsoft has made with its newly acquired Nokia devices business: "The headline-making Nokia Lumia 1020 smartphone-cum-camera is now available for $100 less in the United States, potentially a sign that Microsoft is already ringing the changes at Nokia. The Microsoft Store stateside is now selling the 41-megapixel Windows Phone 8 handset for $199 (around £127, AU$216) on a two-year contract, compared with Nokia's lofty $299 (around £191, AU$325) launch price. The price is being matched by the AT&T network, but Microsoft is going one better (for a limited time) and chucking in the camera grip accessory for everyone who picks up the device. Early indications are that the heavily-hyped Lumia 1020 hasn't been flying off the shelves, so perhaps this price cut can offer Microsoft a boost in the early stages of its Nokia stewardship."

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No (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789383)

Microsoft doesn't own the Nokia devices division yet. How can people post stuff like this - it has to go through some regulatory reviews and will close in several months. Not today.

Re: No (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789429)

Get over it! Both are shit anyway!

It is possible, I guess... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789433)

After all, Elop has always worked for MS benefit.

It also might be a sign that MS has the fix in for any regulatory reviews...

Re:No (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789687)

It's a juxtaposition of terrible writing, as befits Slashdot nowadays. But from my reading it's Microsoft Store lowering their price, so it's got nothing to do with Nokia (necessarily), just Microsoft alone. Of course, it's easy to see how this would be related to the expected sale.
But as for Nokia itself, the former and future Microsft Stephen Elop actually stepped aside as a CEO with the announcement of the planned sale, so you could easily argue that Nokia is now working more as independent company than they have in the last three years.
Of course, product prices falling from launch prices are so unexpected and unheard of, that there must be something newsworthy behind them.

Re:No (1)

Eirenarch (1099517) | about a year ago | (#44789767)

I was thinking exactly this. In addition the news about the Lumia 1020 price drop precedes the news about the MS deal.

Re:No (2, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year ago | (#44790393)

Why is dropping price such big news? It happens all the time for a phone and is routine. Multiple Android phones have received multiple price cuts. But it's only big news if it's a Windows Phone since Slashdot seems to have axe to grind. Recently the Nexus 4 got reduced to a firesale price of $199 unlocked.

Also another fallacy I see in these kind of posts is "the price dropped by 33%!". Or, "the price dropped by half!"! All while referring to the on contract price. While the "price" may have dropped from $100 to $50, the OEM still getting ~$450 compared to $500 earlier. That's a 10% drop, not 50%!

Nice (4, Funny)

nospam007 (722110) | about a year ago | (#44789411)

"The headline-making Nokia Lumia 1020 smartphone-cum-camera ..."

The porn industry always loves it when a cum camera gets cheaper.

Re:Nice (1)

dmbasso (1052166) | about a year ago | (#44790451)

Now I know how they glue it together.

No thanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789419)

Not quite sure what a "cum camera" is but please keep it away from me.

Re:No thanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789479)

They meant to say "cum resistant". Lord knows there's a place for it.

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Re:No thanks! (1)

rvw (755107) | about a year ago | (#44789895)

They meant to say "cum resistant". Lord knows there's a place for it.

Yeah it rings a bell, something with "goat", haven't seen it in a while here though...

Re:No thanks! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789993)

The Zune did squirt too... and there was a turd brown one available, if that's your thing...

Windows Phone 8 handset (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789423)

the 41-megapixel Windows Phone 8 handset

I hate to say this but what they really need to do is hire someone with marketing experience.

It's not the camera. It's Windows (4, Informative)

kurt555gs (309278) | about a year ago | (#44789427)

Here is a Nokia phone with the same camera. Only running Symbian Belle:

http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-808-PureView-Factory-Unlocked/dp/B003U8EN7A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378647969&sr=8-1&keywords=n808 [amazon.com]

Re:It's not the camera. It's Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789547)

And the 808 is flying off the shelves?

Re:It's not the camera. It's Windows (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44789789)

well it's the one with the 41mp.. though iirc you can only take 38mp pictures(and yeah I got one, 808 that is).

BUT BUT BUT.. 299 sounds still like it's a subsidized price, so.. what package do you need to take with it? (the answer is at&t for two years).

dunno if it even was really available yet? it seems to be on preorder in most of the world still..

Re:It's not the camera. It's Windows (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789981)

And the 808 is flying off the shelves?

Any that people can get in most markets. For the most part Nokia has blocked access to this on a similar way to the Meego phones since Elop wanted to force customers onto Windows. The phone was mostly released to keep a sort of tech leader glow whilst the rest of the range was slowed by Windows. That problem is still happening but Symbian hasn't been developed for four years so windows has just about caught up with it. This means that there's no longer any point in using it for lead phones even if it would sell better.

The other thing to remember is that two years ago Symbian had the leading app eco system with more apps than the iPhone and a store with well filtered reasonable quality apps. Now it's much more similar to Windows with mostly old versions of the main apps and the bulk of the other apps just spam. Yet another great Elop achievement.

Re:It's not the camera. It's Windows (0)

horza (87255) | about a year ago | (#44789711)

The Nokia 41Mpx with Symbian costs $480, with Windows 8 it costs $910.

You are paying the usual $200 per handset for your Windows 8 license. Where does the extra $230 go?

Phillip.

Re:It's not the camera. It's Windows (3, Informative)

DuckDodgers (541817) | about a year ago | (#44789785)

Nokia 808 Pureview: Symbian OS, 41 Mpx camera, 512 MB of RAM, 1.3 GHz single core processor, 16GB storage, 640x360 4 inch display.

Nokia Lumia 1020: Windows Phone 8, 41 Mpx camera, 2GB of RAM, 1.5 GHz dual core processor, 32GB storage, 1280x768 4.5 inch display.

The price difference isn't Windows Phone 8, the price difference is everything else in the Lumia 1020. But it's GSM not CDMA, so it doesn't work on my network. Thus, I won't be buying one.

Re:It's not the camera. It's Windows (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44790421)

It's not Windows 8 and do the license really cost $200?!

For Nokia to?

Nokia 808 isn't sold in Sweden any more so I don't really think prices for that one is worth anything.

Lumia 1020 still doesn't seem to have been released, price seem to start at 5990 SEK which is $904 but that of course include 25% VAT.

Re:It's not the camera. It's Windows (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44790385)

It's not the same.

(One could argue that) It's the reason Lumia 1020 exist though. (or its dad.)

Forcing them to sell at a loss. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789431)

again trying to buy a market.

Re:Forcing them to sell at a loss. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789475)

again trying to buy a market.

That's not at all fair - Microsoft has changed. These days they have to sell at a loss just to avoid being rejected from markets completely. See also Surface RT.

Just a free camera grip accessory . . . ? (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year ago | (#44789443)

Why don't they throw in a free Surface, as well?

That would make the offer interesting . . .

Re:Just a free camera grip accessory . . . ? (2)

stooo (2202012) | about a year ago | (#44789555)

>> That would make the offer interesting . . .

Neither run linux, so no thanks.

Re:Just a free camera grip accessory . . . ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789989)

Facepalm.

Software problem, not price (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789447)

Can they also offer it without Windows Phone 8 on it? Then I might buy.

They could give it for free (2, Interesting)

ruir (2709173) | about a year ago | (#44789461)

They could give it for free for all I care. Or with a free copy of virtual Gates+Ballmer dancing on the screen. I wouldnt touch them.

Dislike competition? (3, Insightful)

bigtallmofo (695287) | about a year ago | (#44789501)

6 years ago Apple came in and re-invented what a smartphone was. As a result, RIM is all but dead and we now have Android and Windows Phone 8 that are high quality smartphone offerings. Your comment adds nothing to the discussion - what is its point? You want Windows Phone 8 to die so consumers have less choice?

Re:Dislike competition? (-1)

ruir (2709173) | about a year ago | (#44789537)

Because I love castrated products; shall I mention I hold the dubious honour of throwing a Windows CE GPS out of the Window? And 100km after, I entered in a mall and bought a TomTom, which run in linux. It hasn't been out of the Window yet, after 3 years. (yeah, Windows 8 is just Windows CE packaged in another name)

Re:Dislike competition? (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | about a year ago | (#44789801)

Lucky you. My TomTom lasted less than two months past the manufacturer warranty.

(I'm not saying I like Microsoft or their products, mind you. Just that open source can't solve every problem with consumer devices.)

Re:Dislike competition? (1)

ruir (2709173) | about a year ago | (#44790085)

Well, and it doesn't of course. Since MSDOS/early Windows days I tried for the desktop DRDOS, Minix, OS/2, FreeBSD, Linux, SCO V, Ultrix, for the desktop until I had to deal with OSX quite by accident, quite by obligation. Since then, my search ended, or so I think.

Re:Dislike competition? (2, Insightful)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#44789559)

"As a result, RIM is all but dead and we now have Android and Windows Phone 8 that are high quality smartphone offerings."

Since when does a Windows 8 phone qualify as a quality offering? If it did, then it would be selling well, but it isn't [forbes.com] . Microsoft will never get people to buy their garbage en masse in the phone market, because they can't apply the only business model they have ever successfully implemented: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". They can't FUD their way into the market. No chance to create vendor lock-in means zero chance of success.

Re:Dislike competition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789569)

Your comment adds nothing to the discussion - what is its point? You want Windows Phone 8 to die so consumers have less choice?

I think he was implying not so much that he cares whether Windows Phone 8 lives or dies, but rather that he thinks it's crap. Hence "I wouldn't touch them", not "I'll cry if anyone else likes them". His comment added just as much and just as little as yours - apparently he wouldn't touch Windows Phone 8 whereas you think it's "high quality". Other than that both of your posts were content-free.

Re:Dislike competition? (4, Interesting)

gQuigs (913879) | about a year ago | (#44789571)

> You want Windows Phone 8 to die so consumers have less choice?

I do want more choice in the phone space, but I don't trust or want it to be from Microsoft - or for that matter propriatary. Why do you want Microsoft to have more control of our digital lives? They have more than enough. Competition works best with a bunch of small players in a market.

So yes, I really just want an actually "open" system to actually be given a chance to shine*. (I'm currently holding on to my Palm Pre Plus which still rocks, but is slowly dieing). I'm currently thinking about getting a Firefox OS device [2], but the specs are SOOO bad compared to my Palm. If I could get it without a dataplan w/ AT&T, I would have already purchased it.

I think the new gen of open source phones that are coming have a better shot (in that the company will actually try*!). Firefox OS, Ubuntu Mobile, Jolla, Tizen.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pre [wikipedia.org]
[2] http://www.ebay.com/itm/271258990669 [ebay.com]
* Nokia gave open systems 1 release after saying it was a dead platform and then switched to Windows phone. HP gave up on their TouchPads after 2 months of sales.

Re:Dislike competition? (1)

sjwt (161428) | about a year ago | (#44789763)

Reinvented?? Is this like how they invented the MP3 player?

About the one big idea they had was a single product line.

Re:Dislike competition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44790183)

Yeah OK. Here's what Android looked like [idownloadblog.com] before the iPhone.

Fogetten the "Sooner" (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44790493)

Yeah OK. Here's what Android looked like [idownloadblog.com] before the iPhone.

http://blog.steventroughtonsmith.com/2012/05/2007s-pre-m3-version-of-android-google.html [steventroughtonsmith.com] Google has lots of prototypes including the full screen Sooner. In fact the iPhone is based unashamedly on this Sony prototype http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbuchanan/the-original-iphone-4-design-prototype-from-2006 [buzzfeed.com] .

The bottom line is Android had full screen phones before the iPhone launch, and it was hardly alone.

Your loss (-1, Troll)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44789627)

Your loss. Its the best mobile OS on the market right now. If you don't know if anybody that owns one, you should try reading a review or two.

Re:Your loss (2, Informative)

ruir (2709173) | about a year ago | (#44789709)

LOL; I know people who have it and they hate it. I also wouldnt touch it. It is just a evolution of Win CE by another name and I threw the one I had out of the Window of my car just because I loved it so much; and also the best joy they could give me some years ago was to steal my Nokia phone, so no go at all.

Re:Your loss (0)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44789755)

I've never met somebody who was so opposed to a particular electronic gadget. That's really weird.

Re:Your loss (3, Insightful)

ruir (2709173) | about a year ago | (#44789821)

Not to that particular one, but several. I even dislike my current android, but it is not the point. The point is me, and take note of this, I am not alone in this- I have spent at least a decade and half to find viable alternatives that I really enjoyed using to the rubbish MS passes as products, and I sure as hell am not going back to use any of their products. And lets not get started on the marketing failures and they strategy of not innovating but killing the competition. If people were so demanding with the quality of computers and software as they are with cars, Microsoft would have been out of business long, long time ago.

Re:Your loss (-1, Troll)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44789855)

Wow. That's a lot of anger towards a company. If you don't like their products, then don't use them. There are plenty of companies I don't do business with, but I don't froth at the mouth about it.

Re:Your loss (1)

ruir (2709173) | about a year ago | (#44790233)

Dude, I have a opportunity with that GPS, and that darn thing had the USB castrated to work only in Windows.

Re:Your loss (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44790341)

Personally I had a Windows Mobile phone for work. Hated it. So did all my coworkers. Several coworkers bought their own Blackberrys and iPhones to bring into the network rather than use Windows Mobile. I didn't because I didn't use it enough and could go weeks without turning it on. Others who had to all the time felt so strongly enough to buy their own. Now that's a level a fail when people turn down a free phone and buy their own.

Re:Your loss (1, Interesting)

Waffle Iron (339739) | about a year ago | (#44789799)

Its the best mobile OS on the market right now.

Even if what you say is true, at this point Windows Phone 8 is still likely to join the ranks of technologies like Betamax and BeOS: "Better" solutions that just never gained critical mass.

Re:Your loss (0)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44789825)

The adoption rate of Windows Phone is actually growing at a faster rate than Android (and certainly Apple), right now. It'll be on par with Android and iOS in another year in most parts of the world.

Re:Your loss (1)

Waffle Iron (339739) | about a year ago | (#44790153)

Apparently, Nokia agrees with you.

They think the future of their Windows Phones is so bright, they got out of the phone business altogether.

Android growing faster (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44790343)

The adoption rate of Windows Phone is actually growing at a faster rate than Android (and certainly Apple), right now.

...but growing slower, that is simply how maths works. In fact the reason for the quick Microsoft sale is because of shrinking Windows Phone Sales this quarter, as indicated in this article, and its limited success has been at the bottom end whatever you think of that.

Re:Your loss (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44790381)

Well if you start at a low number, any change is a large growth rate. It's not really indicative of the overall performance. So WP8 went from 0 to 4% over the last several years. That's 400% growth but it really doesn't mean much. However, I remember reading Samsung's Bada outselling WP8. Ouch.

Re:Your loss (1)

malkavian (9512) | about a year ago | (#44790395)

When you have no presence in a market, and most of your customers are about to enter an upgrade cycle to "your new product", sure, the growth rate is high. There again, iOS and Android have a huge market, close to saturated, yet still growing.
This is akin to saying "my herb garden expanding at a faster rate than a continent filled with forest".

High Lumia returns and 'compromise devices' (1, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44789951)

Your loss. Its the best mobile OS on the market right now. If you don't know if anybody that owns one, you should try reading a review or two.

Except its not. Android is the most advanced OS by a large margin although that might change (completely?) with iOS 7. Windows Phone 7 was limited at launch and lacked features both the OS it was meant to replace symbian and windows mobile. The internet responded by creating famous lists like this one http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44034 [my-symbian.com] . It did get a free pass by reviewers by with reservations...two years after launch http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/3/2921472/lumia-900-review [theverge.com] the reviewers stopped http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/3/2921472/lumia-900-review [theverge.com] . Then Microsoft threw its userbase away with Windows 8 two years after Windows Phone 7, but people have stopped caring.

The main problem with windows phone is you. Windows Phone has had some success right at the bottom end of the market, because of Nokias hardware...and price with realistic expectations. At the top end its a different story...from the latest RMC rebort "Nokia's latest Lumia 928 and 925 appear to be "compromise devices", whose specs don't measure up to Samsung's flagship Galaxy S4 and HTC's One. Another problem Nokia is facing, according to RBC, is higher than normal return rates for its Lumia devices."

it's not a surprise (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789467)

in my opinion , the win 8 phone is not successful , i owned one lumia 920 , really not good use , less app than iPhone and Android , but now , Microsoft has bought Nokia , hope there will be some surprise , i think the most important thing is make the phone more useful and smarter , it need more interesting APP .
mskeyoffer com

Price Drop? More like Rice Crop. (1, Insightful)

Ignacio (1465) | about a year ago | (#44789469)

All the price drop in the world can't fix the fact that it's Windows Phone. They could offer a free Lamborghini with each phone and that still wouldn't fix it.

Re:Price Drop? More like Rice Crop. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789619)

For a free Lamborghini, I would pretend it did, fairly convincingly too.

Re:Price Drop? More like Rice Crop. (2, Interesting)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44789633)

What's wrong with it, exactly? Is it the wrong brand or something?

Re:Price Drop? More like Rice Crop. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789859)

for starters, the OS is complete garbage and unusable. The GUI failed on Zune, why keep using it? Next Microsoft locks you into the equally bad BING search engine with the buttons on the phone. Why in the world would i want a phone which locks me into substandard crappy search? Next why support Microsoft? No company has ever done so much to thwart innovation and kill interoperability. The world would be a far better place without the crappy, insecure, over priced, horrible Microsoft products out there.

Re:Price Drop? More like Rice Crop. (3, Insightful)

laffer1 (701823) | about a year ago | (#44789939)

Maybe he's more of a BMW guy?

I can't speak to others views on windows phones, but I looked at android and windows phone prior to getting an iPhone 5 several months back. I was an existing iPhone user and haven't been impressed with the lack of innovation at apple. The sony and samsung android phones seemed rather good and I also looked at a nokia running windows. The build quality on the nokia was very good and was obviously better than most of the other devices. It felt heavy though. Then I started looking at the OS. It didn't seem terrible and I could figure out how to use it fairly easily. Then I started looking at apps. That's where they lost me. A switch to android would allow me (with some $$$) to get mostly back to where I was on iOS. I wouldn't have access to my iTunes collection anymore. With windows phone, I'd be giving up all sorts of apps.

That was a few months ago, but google has threatened to pull youtube from Microsoft several times. If even youtube is at risk, how am I supposed to trust it's a platform that's going to stick around for more than a year or two. Microsoft keeps starting over with windows phone and breaking backward compatibility.

To be honest, yes, it is... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44790195)

Can't speak for others, but I've been bamboozled by Microsoft a couple of times. No more.

My Windows Mobile phone straight up sucked to the point of being almost unusable. It wasn't stable and had a tendency to crash when a call came in. The bundled software (it even had Word and Excel) was really crappy. It was a horrid phone experience, and one that got abandoned by Microsoft a few weeks after I bought it.

I have been looking at a Windows Phone 7 device right before it became clear that one would be abandoned too. I decided to not get a Microsoft device ever again as they can't be trusted with their support.

Cringely's theories (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789477)

Cringely has some interesting theories about the Nokia deal [cringely.com] :

1. Effective price is cheap - MS, Apple and other US corporations looking for ways of spending offshore tax-sheltered dollars

2. MS will probably sell off Nokia's manufacturing plants (w/ thousands of employees) to the Chinese

3. Elop won't be MS CEO

4. MS might still be looking at big acquisitions in this space (Blackberry, Qualcomm)

Deceptive price (5, Insightful)

SIGBUS (8236) | about a year ago | (#44789503)

Saying it's $100 with a two-year contract is misleading. What's the real US price? TFA indicates £599, which would be about $936.

Re:Deceptive price (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44790045)

Saying it's $100 with a two-year contract is misleading. What's the real US price? TFA indicates £599, which would be about $936.

Very close!

http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Lumia-1020-Factory-Unlocked/dp/B00E5M3JVG [amazon.com]

PS. slashdot UTF-8 support is awsome!

After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (2, Interesting)

bigtallmofo (695287) | about a year ago | (#44789517)

The last 4 phones I've had were: iPhone 3G (AT&T), iPhone 4 (Verizon), iPhone 4s (Verizon), Nokia Lumia 928 (Verizon). The Windows Phone 8 phone is the best phone I have ever owned.

The primary way it is better is that the screen is so much bigger. This is easy to dismiss, but it makes a ton of UI hacks done for the iPhone needless. For example, the fact that the address bar isn't on the screen all the time is a hack to compensate for the small screen. Then that leads to a need for the hack where you click the top of the screen in the browser to rapidly scroll to the top. Sometimes that's a nice feature, but only if your screen is so small that they can't always display the address bar unless you've scrolled all the way to the top. Sometimes it's the most annoying thing in the world - like when you've scrolled past 7 pages of information reading in the browser and then accidentally click the rapid scroll-up button. There is no rapid scroll-down button to undo that.

How about moving an icon from one screen to another on the iPhone? What a pain. I would always have to use the very tip of my finger and then try to move the icon all the way to the left or the right and then most of them it would re-shuffle my icons in all kinds of unintended and undesirable ways.

The integration to Skydrive is much better than iCloud as well. My Lumia 928 has 32 GB of storage but with SkyDrive I get an additional 125 GB (of which 25 GB was free). I can seamlessly access pictures, video and music right from it as long as I have a signal.

The Nokia maps are the best maps application I ever used. Much better than either Google Maps or Apple Maps. Speaking of signal - the maps application have online and offline capabilities. So if I have no signal whatsoever there is a local copy of map data on my phone so I can still get directions.

I could go on all day. But for every way that matters to me, the Lumia 928 is superior to every iPhone I've ever owned. iPhones just haven't improved significantly in the last several years. Sure there's Siri - who I once dictated the text message "OK I'll take a look" which got translated to "OK I'll fuck". I didn't find much use for that and my Lumia 928 has much better voice recognition.

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (-1, Troll)

ruir (2709173) | about a year ago | (#44789549)

Hey, nice another microsoft shill. Pity I have friends who love Windows, and are saying Windows Phone 8 has to be the worst piece of garbage they have ever bought. And thinking one of them bought it to use excel files, and he says it doesn't work the way they wanted.

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (2, Interesting)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44789601)

Hey, another anti-MS shill! I and several people in my family use Windows 8 phones, and we love them. This post was done on a Windows Phone, in fact (HTC 8X). My next phone will probably be a Windows Phone, too.

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789653)

Hey, another anti-MS shill! I and several people in my family use Windows 8 phones, and we love them. This post was done on a Windows Phone, in fact (HTC 8X). My next phone will probably be a Windows Phone, too.

I have an nexus and a blackberry, I LOVE my blackberry the most. If something happens to blackberry, I'll probably go with the windows phone also. Wasn't too impressed with android(the phone has a nice camera though) and the iphone someone let me use had a wacky interface I didn't like.
Still, my most reliable phone ever, the blackberry...... don't leave me!

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (0)

ruir (2709173) | about a year ago | (#44789715)

My condolences to you and your family sir.

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789941)

I don't like how people are just tossing around the term "shill" for anyone that expresses like for a given thing, but really, looking at your comment history is kind of a cringeworthy experience. You've got the full collection, the keywords of "Windows Phone is the best X on the market with the best integration of Y", the "my family uses it" line. Really, tone that shit down if you don't want people thinking you're a shill. Even if you are one.

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about a year ago | (#44789599)

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789605)

Yesterday, a friend of mine was cursing WP's shortcomings. Especially, "the feature" of not being able to forward SMS was pissing him of. He asked how you do that in Android. I did show him, and again he tried the force his Lumia into obedience... all in vain. Then he just said his next phone will be running Android.

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (2)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44789681)

This AC is lying. You certainly can easily forward SMS messages with Windows Phone.

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (0)

horza (87255) | about a year ago | (#44789623)

Well obviously Win8 is better than iPhone. Apple is riding off 6 year old design and tech. Even Symbian makes for a more usable phone that either of those two though. Win8 is bloated, unattractive, and has no apps.

At the moment the only two serious contenders are Blackberry, with their superior QNX underneath, and Android with its wide range of handsets and weight of apps. At the moment, anybody would be mad not to buy an Android handset for personal use.

Phillip.

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (2, Insightful)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44789665)

You're smoking crack. Windows Phone isn't "bloated" at all. It's quite zippy, in fact. It's easiest the most attractive OS out there, no question. Those other ones are horrible to look at and use, by comparison. And, unless you're a 12 year old Japanese girl, there are plenty of apps. You have no idea what you're talking about, but thanks for your mis-informed opinion!

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (2)

DuckDodgers (541817) | about a year ago | (#44789833)

I don't want Windows Phone because it's from Microsoft, and Microsoft has a terrible history in the tech industry which has been discussed to death on Slashdot.

But the people flaming the operating system are letting hatred blind them. As a product, Windows Phone is excellent. I don't have any problems with it as a technical product, just like the iPhone is an outstanding technical product. I dislike the business practices of the companies behind each product - but if I told my non-Linux-geek friends that the iPhone or Windows Phone was junk, they'd laugh at me and stop taking anything I say seriously.

80% Market Share vs 20% Market share (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44790139)

but if I told my non-Linux-geek friends that the iPhone or Windows Phone was junk, they'd laugh at me and stop taking anything I say seriously.

Then your friends do not represent the Worldwide view. Android is 80% Market share, People are simply choosing not to buy Windows Phone/iPhone in anything like the same numbers.

The bottom line is Linux is for everyone and its Android varient hot 1Billion activations this month.

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (3, Informative)

horza (87255) | about a year ago | (#44789869)

Microsoft Windows 8 has mimimum requirements [neowin.net] of 4GB of flash, 1GB of RAM, and a dual-core processor. The latest Android requires [android.com] 340MB of RAM and 0.5MB of flash. Windows Phone is bloated, buggy [digitaltrends.com] , and an awful UI that cannot be changed (unlike Android where you can put any launcher, or indeed custom rom, instead).

People are not buying Microsoft Windows phones. The reason is that both the hardware and the software is inferior.

Phillip.

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44790331)

The latest Android requires [android.com] 340MB of RAM and 0.5MB of flash.

You probably wrote "MB" instead of "GB" accidentally. That spec sheet says 512MB of flash.

Re:After 3 iPhones, I switched to Windows Phone 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44790453)

This post was modded down as "Not PC with the Slashdot Hipsters".

Next!

any phone w/ Windows is doomed to fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789543)

All Nokia had to do was offer Android and they easily could've competed with Samsung or even possibly owned the market. The build quality is fantastic but Windows Phone OS sucks.

I feel sorry for all Nokia employees (4, Insightful)

burni2 (1643061) | about a year ago | (#44789609)

I feel really sorry for all Nokia employees, Balmer said we buy them, well what will happen in the future:

1.) they will lay off Nokia devellopers and other employees (@Nokia-Employees, sorry guys but look at Motorolla's mass lay offs)

2.) they will stop producing phones (HTC, Samsung, etc.. can install Windows Phonn(e/y) too)

3.) they will have a brand name with a nice ring, patents at hand to be a pain in googles ass (not that I like to see the we stopped being good guys with itchsing between the buttocks)

4.) Finland will have a fond memory of what was once the most successfull & best develloper/producer for cell phones in the world

Lesson Learned:
Do not let trojan horses wether enter your computer nor your company !
Btw. if you ask the horse if it is trojan and it answers no, burn it !

(The story, that Elop was a trojan horse and so one, was predicted by many others (even here on /.) when he joined Nokia)

Re:I feel sorry for all Nokia employees (-1, Troll)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44789793)

Wise words from somebody who is barely literate. Please sir, expound upon other, more esoteric, business trends, as well.

Re:I feel sorry for all Nokia employees (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44790465)

DogDude, were you born a Microsoft apologist shill or did you have to work at it?

You disgust me.

Bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789645)

Microsoft is not yet the owner of Nokia mobile phone operation. They cannot decide shit - yet.

$2Billion Advance (2)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44790093)

Microsoft is not yet the owner of Nokia mobile phone operation. They cannot decide shit - yet.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/06/nokia-how-about-2-billion-now-microsoft-ok/ [venturebeat.com] Microsoft have already given $2Billion advance. Its happening. Implying Nokia is making decisions without Microsoft's approval, is simply a strange thing to say especially as the man in charge...is going to be the same!

Xbox Strategy Redux (1)

Traiano (1044954) | about a year ago | (#44789663)

I'm starting to see the genius of the Nokia acquisition. Microsoft sold Xbox consoles at a loss for years to seed the market and build the ecosystem. Now they can do that with smartphone hardware.

Re:Xbox Strategy Redux (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | about a year ago | (#44789847)

Naturally. Right now smart phones are selling faster than laptops and desktops. So in 10 years far more people will have a smart phone than a traditional computer. If Microsoft has to lose 10 billion dollars a year for the next 10 years in order to be a big part of that market, it still makes sense for them to do it. We don't have to like it, but it still makes sense for them.

Makes Sense? To Whom (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44790051)

, it still makes sense for them to do it. We don't have to like it, but it still makes sense for them.

Actually it makes makes more sense to properly support Android and iOS for its current hostages on Windows. Windows Phone has been unsuccessful for 3 years now. Perhaps they need a different strategy.

Re:Xbox Strategy Redux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44790025)

Yes. it's brilliant. In the console market Sony was completely unused to competition so they are only just recovering. This meant Microsoft only lost billions on the strategy. With phones they have companies like Samsung and LG that are used to competition and so they will be able to throw away Trillions of Microsoft dollars.

The real question: how can Steve Ballmer possibly profit from bankrupting Microsoft. He's a major shareholder. Dies someone have some major blackmail material on him?

Camera Only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789809)

Is there a point and shoot with this or a similar camera without the phone?

Re:Camera Only? (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year ago | (#44790071)

No, a point-and-shoot worth a pinch of shit would have a glass lens with a diameter larger than the sensor chip.

MS doesn't own Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789813)

Microsoft won't own Nokia until sometime next year

Given them 2Billion Already (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44790019)

Microsoft won't own Nokia until sometime next year

Microsoft have already financed Nokia for 2Billion. Its unlikely that they can change there mind. Although really why it being Microsoft or Nokia changes anything.

It's the carriers stupid! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44789849)

If MSFT / NOK want to make any headway in the US market they need to stop only releasing on ATT. If they release the 1050 or whatever the next phone is on the four majors they would likely see greater uptake in the handsets. Heck, I have an IP5, and I would probably considering the 1020 if it existed on VZW.

US Market Tiny (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44790005)

If MSFT / NOK want to make any headway in the US market...

Thinking of the US market is what got Nokia *cough* Microsoft into trouble in the first place. The bottom line is of the 238 million smartphones shipped worldwide only 33Million were in the US, and that is ignoring the fact that they probably would have more success in markets they were successful in before...the larger, and faster growing markets like China and India...Something even Apple are desperate to do and will have announcements for Sept 11th.

Nokia is gone for me after Microsoft deal (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44790275)

Nokia is gone for me after Microsoft deal.
When my last old Nokia kicks the bucket, I am not going to buy a new one. Fuck you Microsoft and fuck you Nokia, for selling out!

megapixel fetish (0)

supernova87a (532540) | about a year ago | (#44790347)

Who wants 41 megapixels taken by a shitty sensor? There's little point in pumping the pixel density up that high when the read noise and lens aren't good enough to distinguish it.

Why 41 Megapixels? (-1, Troll)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | about a year ago | (#44790389)

I can't imagine that this phone has a lens capable of justifying 41 megapixels. It's all just marketing hype, and it's not working.

Re:Why 41 Megapixels? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44790485)

You need to read up on the Nokia Pureview white paper explaining this.

I won't be providing any links... go on, find it yourself, read it and be less ignorant.

Windows Phone? Feh. Can you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44790427)

...load CyanogenMod on it?

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