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Sony Unveils the PS Vita TV and Slimmer Vita Handheld

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the but-does-it-run-xbmc dept.

PlayStation (Games) 86

Dave Knott writes "Sony today announced the PS Vita TV box. Measuring 6.5cm by 10.5cm, it can play Vita games on your television, stream content via HDMI or wirelessly, and play all the existing PlayStation Network content available on the standard Vita platform. This is seen by some analysts as an attempt by Sony to compete with such devices as the Ouya and Apple TV. The PS Vita TV is so far announced for a Japan-only release in early 2014 at a price of approximately $100 US. In related news, Sony also announced a lighter, slimmer, more colorful iteration of the standard Vita handheld console." The $100 model does not come with a controller; a $150 model was also announced that will include a Dualshock 3 and an 8G memory card.

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Vita? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44803405)

Is this thing still around? I thought it had gone the way of the Zune.

Hey Sony, you could sell more of these if you just hid the ads online in your customer database and waited for someone to hack you again.

Re:Vita? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44803471)

Is this thing still around? I thought it had gone the way of the Zune.

Hey Sony, you could sell more of these if you just hid the ads online in your customer database and waited for someone to hack you again.

Maybe you could hack it and install Ubuntu on it. (c:

Re:Vita? (4, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44803551)

Its Vita signs are weak; but it isn't dead yet.

Re:Vita? (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | about a year ago | (#44803857)

Took me a bit to get the pun, because you're pronouncing it wrong. It's "vee-tah".

Sony does surprisingly well (2)

rsilvergun (571051) | about a year ago | (#44803793)

they don't sell a lot at once, but they sell consistently for years and years. Plus with a smaller base of software they can count on what they do put out selling nearly 1 to 1 with the console. Basically, it's the same model Nintendo had going with the Gamecube.

Re:Vita? (1)

luther349 (645380) | about a year ago | (#44804539)

just like with early psp they have been hacking the via right along but then sony patches it. it was not until hardware flaws and of course the keys where found did permanent easy psp hacks come along. i know lots of people who still have there originals due to the better game library and no other reason. original psp where lets face the handhelds for grownups and of course hackers thats was small to start with and now is being beaten out my tablets and phones.lets not forget the massive overpricing of the memory cards.

multiple account support! (3, Interesting)

neuro88 (674248) | about a year ago | (#44803415)

I think this is a great idea if they can finally start allowing your vita to have multiple accounts at once. Currently, the only way to switch accounts is to reset the thing to factory defaults (which involves watching an annoying video when it starts for the "first" time), as well as format your memory card. This is pretty inconvenient on a portable, but would be flat out ridiculous on more of a home console type system.

Re:multiple account support! (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44803563)

This is Sony: everything they know about 'sharing' they learned from RIAA fishing expeditions...

Re:multiple account support! (-1, Redundant)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#44803643)

I honestly don't understand why people are putting up with this shit. A company who deliberately rooted PCs with a trojan on store-bought CDs, removed features from a game machine after it was already purchased and used, exposing customer information in plain text in an internet-facing database, and people still give them money?? My mind is boggled.

XBone? Nope, not with that built-in NSA camera and microphone.

Nintendo? Isn't theirs a handheld with a dinky screen?

PCs? When you can no longer actually own a game?

These kids would love Quake II. None of the bullshit you put up with today. Computer gaming used to be fun rather than a way to be stolen from by rich assholes.

I wonder if Road Rash 95 will run on Windows 7? AFK

Re:multiple account support! (2, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44803763)

Try to adopt a historical perspective:

The last time we were peasants who paid our feudal masters for the right to toil on his lands for a pittance and own next to nothing, we had bubonic plague and didn't have cable TV. Truly, a triumph of the human spirit!

Corporate Bully (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44803591)

Based on the past behavior of this company, I wouldn't buy a pair of Sony branded earbuds.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sony+sues

Re:multiple account support! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44804745)

The only time I ever boot up the Vita is when it is mentioned in an online article, and the only thing I ever do with it is update to the latest firmware. and then I say "nope, still lame" and turn it off again.

What about the third dimension? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44803463)

6.5cm by 10.5cm by what? That's like saying how many platters are in a hard drive without saying the capacity of each.

Obviously there is no way I am reading the article.

Re:What about the third dimension? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44803513)

I have read the third dimension is 15mm.

Re:What about the third dimension? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44803573)

I have read the third dimension is 15mm.

Gonna take an awful lot of these to reach the cookie jar. Perhaps they could come out with an e-reader with some nice thick books on it.

Re:What about the third dimension? (2)

glavenoid (636808) | about a year ago | (#44803571)

It doesn't even *have* a 3rd dimension, you insensitive clod.

Re:What about the third dimension? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#44803661)

I'm offtopic here, just wanted to say I agree with your sig.

Re:What about the third dimension? (1, Insightful)

glavenoid (636808) | about a year ago | (#44803765)

Yeah, you know the old system I'm talking about. It's been so long since they changed it I wonder if many of the remaining members here remember it, or were even around at the time. I don't know if I'm crazy or what, but IMO the moderation system in general really started skewing towards more punitive moderations once the metamod system changed, since many people just gave up trying to figure it out and couldn't negate the unfair moderations on well-reasoned though unpopular opinions.

Since I'm complaining, I'm unreasonably annoyed there's no way to undo a normal moderation anymore without leaving a comment, thus removing all mods in that thread. What idiot decided this was a good implementation?

Re:What about the third dimension? (1)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about a year ago | (#44804897)

Actually, I don't even understand what the point of the new meta moderation system is. It seemed more like "additional" moderation the last time I bothered. But it's been so long since I did it that all I remember, was that it made no sense to me.

Re:What about the third dimension? (1)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about a year ago | (#44804885)

6.5cm by 10.5cm by what?

...Nothing. It only exists in 2 dimensions. They did say it was thinner, didn't they? ;-)

Re:What about the third dimension? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about a year ago | (#44805963)

Five thousand kilometers. Or, y'know, much less than the other two dimensions, from context.

Sounds good (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44803597)

Extra hour of battery and thankfully they dumped OLED for LCD. I might actually get one of these once they hit $150 or less.

Re:Sounds good (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a year ago | (#44803649)

What's wrong with the OLED?

Re:Sounds good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44804439)

OLED is not sunlight viewable and the colours wear down quickly and unevenly (blue elements deteriorate the fastest) leaving you with a yellowish tint and a dim display.

Re:Sounds good (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | about a year ago | (#44804581)

TN LCDs can be kind of yellowish too, IPS LCDs are better but more expensive.

Re:Sounds good (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about a year ago | (#44805945)

They described it as best-of-class at the conference, so I'm sure it's IPS.

Re:Sounds good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44807761)

Most likely. Pretty much all handheld devices use IPS LCDs. Both of my phones and both of my tablets have it.

Re:Sounds good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44816381)

Extra hour of battery and thankfully they dumped OLED for LCD. I might actually get one of these once they hit $150 or less.

Why was this modded down?

Japanese release, eh? (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44803611)

I'd be curious to know how (though probably never will) regional price sensitivities will factor in to the decision to launch or not launch a device such as this in various areas:

Especially now that 'current-gen handheld' is dangerously close to 'surprisingly endurable even on a large TV, if TV-out exists, and probably shares many components with common cellphones', the notion of shoving a cost-optimized version of one into a box along with a component video cable and calling it a console in markets too price sensitive to be good sellers for your 'serious' console might actually work pretty well. However, outside of the hardcore, it might work a little too well even among people who could afford your 'real' console; but really just want to putz around on something so why pay more?

I wonder if that will factor into Sony's regional release strategy: a screenless, battery-less, not wildly powerful Cortex-A9/SGX543 ARM SoC board isn't likely to be getting more expensive as time passes, and online sales from the back catalog are likely to be either pure profit or pure cost recovery of a game that flopped long ago; but having such a potentially-aggressively-priced option on the market might not help move newer products...

Dying handhelds (4, Interesting)

TJamieson (218336) | about a year ago | (#44803615)

This seems to be Sony's hedging of their bets that maybe handheld gaming devices are in their dying days. They get to turn the Vita into a pseudo-console/PS4 accessory and keep developers on the Vita platform in general. Maybe this is what Nintendo should be doing instead of a 2DS?

Re:Dying handhelds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44803769)

Sony tried that with the PSP. They tried to make the PSP a pseudo-console (there were PSP-to-composite out cables)/PS3 accessory and it was a disaster. No one wanted a pseudo-PS2/PS3 hooked up to their TV and extremely few developers made games that took advantage of the "Remote Play" feature. (Yeah, before there was "Cross Play" there was "Remote Play")

Re: Dying handhelds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44804747)

But this time it makes more sense with PS Vita, games from PSOne, PSP and the new Vita game collection paired with the DS3 makes it a great mini console with a ton of good 'made for the controller' and games. Not to mention these games are 'safer' without abusive in-app purchases we have seen lately on mobile phones.

Re: Dying handhelds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44805243)

it made since with the psp as well, you had ps1, and psp + you could in theory play ps2 games on it via remote connection, on your TV ... where your ps2 was sitting

brilliant

Re: Dying handhelds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44806671)

Ahem, please write properly, sir.

Re:Dying handhelds (2)

luther349 (645380) | about a year ago | (#44804551)

vita did shitty due to its like 3 good games and overpriced memory. Nintendo is kinda in the opposite hear there 3ds is doing awesome the wii-u is collecting dust.

Re:Dying handhelds (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year ago | (#44805249)

funny psp was shitty due to its like 3 good games, overpriced memory, and a new model every freaking year with all new accessories

seems they did not learn much from psp

Re:Dying handhelds (1)

luther349 (645380) | about a year ago | (#44806019)

true at launch the psp had the same problem but it had a massive library of good games by the time it ended granted that took like the first 5 years of its life to get there. also sandisk closed thpse overproce cards and made cheap ones the price on pro duo went from insane to nearly overnight. as for the new models there was a reason for this. psp 1001 model original fat model with ir quit bulky and heavy and power hungry.it was also known for the umd door spring to fail. psp 2000 slimmer lighter ir removed it was unused anyways umd door no longer spring loaded. and used less power allowing for a smaller battery. ram was also expanded for faster load times. psp 2001 same as a 2000 but with a new motherboard to fix the Pandora battery hack. psp 3000 same as a 2001 but with a built in microphone for voice chat. psp go umd drive removed memory card format changed and went for a phone style slide desine for smaller form factor sonys attempt at a online dlc only system it was a complete fail and sat on shelves. the 3000 was also still being made and sold as i said it was a experiment. but it did not matter what psp you got other then the go all the games would play fine in all of them.

Re:Dying handhelds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44806685)

Your message is hard to read. You could have added some chapter breaks and use capital letters.

Re:Dying handhelds (2)

maccodemonkey (1438585) | about a year ago | (#44804689)

This seems to be Sony's hedging of their bets that maybe handheld gaming devices are in their dying days. They get to turn the Vita into a pseudo-console/PS4 accessory and keep developers on the Vita platform in general. Maybe this is what Nintendo should be doing instead of a 2DS?

Nintendo's problem is really that the Wii U doesn't have any games. 3DS games are designed for dual screen and touch, so you can't put those on a TV, and a Wii U accessory to stream the games that don't exist for the Wii U solves nothing.

The approach they are taking is probably the best course of action: Fix the lack of games on the Wii U.

Re:Dying handhelds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44806289)

I must say I've had a wii u for a while now and I'd been a 360 fanboy up until I got it. Not so much anymore. I feel like I paid too much for its horsepower vs XB1/ps4. BUT, I am quite fine with the game library and the unit itself easily outperforms 360/ps3. If you check the E-SHOP there are MANY download only games that are fantastic. The platform is not even 1 year old, it takes a bit to ramp up and build momentum. Drop the PRICE to 150 and they WILL sell tremendous volumes then developers will be producing. I feel that the press has largely sabotaged the system as did all the current Gen 360 and ps3 owners. Nintendo is NOT the pimply faced teenage boy FPS shooter platform, its the "I like to have fun and not act like a juvenile a**hole" platform. DROP THE PRICE. and it will flourish. While it's specs are paltry VS the others next Gen boxes it is still superior to current Gen by a fairly wide margin. 1st party games on the horizon will boost sales, people need to stop bashing the platform! Ahem..MEDIA SABATOEURS ...

Re:Dying handhelds (3, Informative)

aiadot (3055455) | about a year ago | (#44804785)

Dying handhelds are a thing of the NA and EU (I don't like the "west" generalization). In Japan, handhelds are the main platforms. The thing is that for a global company like sony to release a region exclusive console simply doesn't make sense in the big picture(specially now under the "One Sony" plan). That is why in my opinion the VitaTV can potentially be a stroke of genius.

1) In Japan there are these popular PS3 accessories called Nasne and Torne which help integrate the PS3 and the TV more allowing TV show recording alongside a few other minor features. The vita TV seems to be the PS4 version of these devices.

2) In the US and EU, handheld is not as popular anymore and, as a result, many devs don't have that much of interest in them either. On the other hand, smartTV boxes are a hot topic and there is no killer product in the market yet. A playstation smartTV could be the killer device in this still underexploited market as it is the only one the fuses a huge variety of game genres, media consumption and affordable price. If it succeeds it could attract devs to the vita platform even if they are not directly targeting the vita handheld. Japanese devs would be more likely to bring their games overseas (the Vita has a very good library in Japan), American and European devs their own Vita exclusives games.

3) Developing countries. The PS4 and the Vita are just too expensive for the average citizen of countries like China/Brazil/India/Russia/etc(for many reasons including local politics). A cheap PS2 level home console that could still play newly released games could help sony get a huge share in these regions.

If wasn't for the proprietary memory, the vita ecosystem could easily dominate the market.

Re:Dying handhelds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44804895)

Monospaced fonts are for code, terminals, and ASCII art.

Re:Dying handhelds (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#44805157)

1) In Japan there are these popular PS3 accessories called Nasne and Torne which help integrate the PS3 and the TV more allowing TV show recording alongside a few other minor features. The vita TV seems to be the PS4 version of these devices.

So THAT'S where Microsoft got their Xbox One ideas. Only a matter of time before it records, or maybe that's why the Japanese release is delayed... built in video recording...

Re:Dying handhelds (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about a year ago | (#44805955)

There's a PS3 TV device in Europe called Play TV. It is not very successful but it has a niche as a cheap way of making a PS3 into a PVR.

Re:Dying handhelds (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about a year ago | (#44805951)

And practically for free, too. They already have the hardware suppliers and game developers and software catalogue. It'd be a mistake for them not to cover the "microconsole" market when the risk is so low.

Re:Dying handhelds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44806111)

It really is a great idea that they did this.

It is a really cheap console with gaining momentum behind it.
I'd rather have a PS4 controller with it though since it actually has a front trackpad which at least replicates some of the lost functionality from the actual PSVitas touchscreen and touchpad. Not sure why they did Dualshock3 instead of Dualshock4.

Nintendo may follow up sooner or later with this if it does actually sell.
In the case of 3DS and 2DS, they'd probably just release a wireless bottom half of the controller that is just similar to, hell, even just USE the Wii U controller for it.
Na that might be too expensive if they want to aim it low enough to compete. Thing with Nintendo is they are way too fractured, they have too many inconsistent things that could easily be rolled in to one. 2DS? Really? They could have reused the Wii U controller design, shoved a 3DS in there, full screen, emulate 2 screens, oh, also, we threw in some extra hardware to make it a generic tablet too, enjoy your cool new Nintendo Tablet, AWE.
I would have been more impressed if they had done that. The Wii U controller is really neat so I would be fine with that.

If this works, I could see them optimizing to create a generic board that could be placed in either this little box or handheld easily so they can still have both businesses in the event that both become stable enough to support.
Either that or they will start adapting to the rest of the handheld world and start putting phone stuff in, in case of Nintendo getting contracts with phone companies, generic OS like Android perhaps with a locked down console OS sharing the same CPU and GPU.
It still shocks me Sony hasn't actually made a Vita Phone.

Re:Dying handhelds (1)

Therad (2493316) | about a year ago | (#44806871)

The problem is that most 3ds-games have dual screen in mind so nintendo will not be able to ditch one screen.

The 2DS strategy is simply a trick to get more children to play nintendo games. It is more durable than 3DS and no 3D (if you are afraid that your children will be damaged by that)

Re:Dying handhelds (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44807667)

well they could do a supergameboy kind of accessory for wii u..

Re:Dying handhelds (1)

Aerokii (1001189) | about a year ago | (#44807091)

Nintendo's already sort of bridging the gap- it's a fascinating strategy really. They've got a console that works on a TV, but can also be played using only its own controller with built in screen. In addition to that, they're working on improving integration with their current handheld, the 2/3DS for games such as the upcoming Smash Bros, allowing multiplayer between the handheld and console versions. Personally I'm still torn on whether or not to get both!

It's a bit risky- they're not the most powerful console on its own, and tablets/phones have hurt the traditional handheld gaming market, but the 3DS has been doing very well lately with a lot of really great games (I haven't really put Animal Crossing: New Leaf down since I got it.) It will be very interesting to see where they go from here.

awesome! (2, Insightful)

Gravis Zero (934156) | about a year ago | (#44803679)

it's like buying a half-assed PS3 with equally half-assed games! games designed for a small screen are not going to translate well to a large screen. i'll stick to my PS3 and (soon) PS4.

Re:awesome! (2)

10101001 10101001 (732688) | about a year ago | (#44805003)

it's like buying a half-assed PS3 with equally half-assed games!

I'd say it's more like the GB Player all over again, but as you note without the massive good collection of games.

games designed for a small screen are not going to translate well to a large screen. i'll stick to my PS3 and (soon) PS4.

See, the former is not the issue in theory*. The latter is more the issue. If you're likely to have to buy a bunch of games anyways to enjoy the system, you might as well get a full console. The catch, of course, is if the games are cheap enough (that's Ouya's approach, anyways) then you can get away with getting a lot of potentially casual gamers to plunk down some relatively cheap cash (a $100 unit) to play some casual games. Somehow, I doubt Sony will do that because it's liable to enrage the small fan base it already has who will feel cheated either in having to repurchase games or that their library has effectively depreciated in value by 90% or something.

*Well, that's the rub. PSP came out as being a very high-end handheld. As a result, it was a sucky battery-life handheld. But at the same time, its move towards a console makes it a sucky console-power platform. Really, Sony just doesn't seem to get the whole point that the PSP is just too much of a middle-ground to be any sort of major success. It doesn't help that Android has heavily invaded their high-end handheld position or that the Ouya is basically the same concept. Really, the only reason the GB Player didn't have the same sort of blow-back as I see this having is the GB player (1) finally allowed people with adult hands to, for long hours, play GBA games, (2) there were a lot of decent GBA games, (3) there was never an expectation that the GBA was some sort of new-age, wow graphical experience (it was in many ways the answer to people's desire for a portable SNES), and (4) the GB Player was a relatively cheap add-on to a system which basically went hand-in-hand with having a GBA in the first place--ie, already being a somewhat devote fan towards the company--(and I'd argue the biggest flaw with the GB Player was more to do with not supporting multiple games simultaneous, split screen, on-screen link-up, or having a decent long link cable).

So, yea, a very wordy way of say I mostly agree though I think there's room to quibble over some of the details.

Re:awesome! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44805437)

It's too bad Ouya turned out to be such a massive fail.

Re:awesome! (2)

Sockatume (732728) | about a year ago | (#44805939)

You are not the target audience. Sony already has your money. The untold millions who might buy a $100 Android phone or tablet over a Vita or PS4 are the real audience.

Re:awesome! (1)

gspeare (470147) | about a year ago | (#44806341)

I don't have a PSP and wanted to play Valkyria Chronicles 2 on a real screen with a real controller. This sounds like exactly what I was looking for...except for the Japan-only part.

Re:awesome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44809359)

And the part where that game isn't in the Vita store. If you want to play it you need to download the installer to a PS3 first and transfer from there.

I already have one (2)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#44803809)

It streams video to my TV from Sony's video delivery platform, plays Sony games on the TV, does Netflix, etc., etc., etc..

For some reason they call it a Playstation 3 though...

Now all they need.... (0)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#44803843)

Is to convince people to BUY PS Vita and it's games. It has the worst adoption rate of ALL handheld games, Even the out of date PSP still outsells it.

Re:Now all they need.... (1)

Dzimas (547818) | about a year ago | (#44803977)

Is to convince people to BUY PS Vita and it's games. It has the worst adoption rate of ALL handheld games, Even the out of date PSP still outsells it.

Then it's a good thing that the Vita TV will also play PSP and PSOne games.

Re:Now all they need.... (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year ago | (#44805255)

who cares, psp already does that as well, on your tv, whats my incentive to shell out more money for 5 games that dont suck

Re:Now all they need.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44808611)

PSP games played on a Vita look better than the did on the PSP. Bi-linear filtering and smoothing etc.

Re:Now all they need.... (2)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about a year ago | (#44806339)

Then it's a good thing that the Vita TV will also play PSP and PSOne games.

Only selected PSOne games. And you'll have to buy them again. Got a PSOne game on CD? Got a PSP game on UMD? Vita don't play that. Here, buy it all over again to get the download.

Re:Now all they need.... (2)

CronoCloud (590650) | about a year ago | (#44806377)

True, but once you do, you can have it on multiple devices at once.

Re:Now all they need.... (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about a year ago | (#44807033)

I imagine that people who already own a lot of PSP and PSone games will just play them on their PSPs and PSones. I haven't had the latter since the early '00s and never owned the former so they're actually a big part of the Vita's appeal.

Re:Now all they need.... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#44807587)

REally? where do I insert the disc?
Oh wait, you cant.

Re:Now all they need.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44808561)

It's not like they aren't trying. They just aren't succeeding, particularly to the NA/EU audience.

This year they hyped up a few titles like Soul Sacrifice, Dragon's Crown, and upcoming God Eater 2. The first and third are Monster Hunter like games, and Mon Hun was/is one reason PSP sells (and people are wondering why there still isn't a Vita installment)

Dragon's Crown also shares some of that dynamic with the whole co-op kill-loot-kill some more dynamic.

Alas, unlike your Marios and Pokemons, that probably doesn't appeal to NA/EU markets as much, at least not the handheld crowd.

The other thing the Vita has are JRPGs, which again aren't that appealing these days to western markets. Especially when some of them are remakes/ports so western people might have already played them back when they still liked JRPGs.

Shoot it in the face. (1)

atari2600a (1892574) | about a year ago | (#44803933)

ny portable playstation product doesn't want to live. No one cares how solid the platform is. No one cared how solid a neo-geo platform was either, or even how simple it was to program for the Game Gear because it reused 99% of the SMS platform. NO ONE'S GOING TO BUY IT, JUST LIKE NO ONE BOUGHT THE LAST ONE.

Lack of touchscreen is not a problem. (2)

goruka (1721094) | about a year ago | (#44804285)

If using the DualShock 3 poses the problem of lack of touchscreen for some games, I'm sure Sony will allow using a PSVita as controller, so you can actually.. oh, wait..

Say no to sony streaming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44804359)

The first time it popped up and told me I couldn't play my lawfully ripped video content through my PS3 was the very last time I bought a sony device for streaming movies.

Re:Say no to sony streaming. (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about a year ago | (#44806389)

Just like pirates to use some "l33t" format like .mkv when living room media devices don't support it. Use MPEG4 containers.

Re:Say no to sony streaming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44807825)

MKV isn't considered "1337", it's the best container format and it's open, that's why people use it and why it's stupid that PS3 doesn't support it. Or do you think that people who use FLAC and Ogg Vorbis are "1337" poseurs too?

Re:Say no to sony streaming. (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about a year ago | (#44812803)

MKV is obviously not the best container format if it doesn't work in commonly available consumer devices.

Or do you think that people who use FLAC and Ogg Vorbis are "1337" poseurs too?

For the most part, yes, I do consider them poseurs. Just like the college educated hipsters wearing 50's bowling shirts and drinking PBR.

I forgive you Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44804387)

Take my monies!

Not again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44804565)

The last sony something I bought was a PS3. Oh we allow you to blah blah... and then *BANG* and people attempting to hack it are suddenly all criminals. I bought a sony camcorder before that, and it had a gob of proprietary bits too that are only somewhat available, proprietary, and very expensive. I can buy other manufacturers stuff, for less, and its not proprietary and compatible, and no one else cares when I try to modify it for the better. I don't buy sony anymore.

neo geo x (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44804615)

Rather than have a separate stand alone product, they should done something similar to the neo geo x with its console where you plug in the hand held..

Anybody still actually following Sony? (0)

rmdashrf (1338183) | about a year ago | (#44805223)

At this point in time I couldn't care less about Sony or what they 'invent'. The only reason I actually bothered to check out the story at all, was to look at responses; it appears I am not the only person totally uninterested in Sony anymore.

Theres the winning strategy (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year ago | (#44805233)

That made so many people just shit rainbows with their psp! Wasteland of shovelware, half the features are broke or useless and what does Sony do? release a slim model, that doesnt work with any of the shit you already have.

Good job guys, thats how you dominate the handheld market, not that pussy shit like Nintendo did ... backwards compatibility for damn near 30 years and a great library of games, no sir! its fucking usb cables and controller sales!

Re:Theres the winning strategy (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about a year ago | (#44806483)

what does Sony do? release a slim model, that doesnt work with any of the shit you already have.

But if you already have a PSP, why would you need a new one?

And although Nintendo's portable platforms did have some backwards compatibility later versions of some of the handhelds reduce it. The GBA Micro doesn't play GB or GBC games for example. There's also no GBA slot on newer DS's.

Re:Theres the winning strategy (1)

Aerokii (1001189) | about a year ago | (#44807223)

You're right regarding backward compatibility- but at least having the OPTION is nice. Sure the 3DS can't play GBA games, but it still does DS games just fine. Likewise did the GBA happily play GB games... the Wii played Gamecube, and the Wii U played Wii. I don't need to be able to plug NES carts into the Wii U, but at least continuing to support the previous gen is nice. One less thing for me to hook into the TV.

As a man with a broken PS2, the main thing holding me back from buying one of the cheap new models of PS3 is that lack of backwards compatibility. It's disappointing, but what can you do.

A lot of people are missing the best feature (4, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | about a year ago | (#44806639)

A lot of people are harping on about how lame this is without noticing the most important feature of this device.

This device can do anything a Vita can do, *INCLUDING PS4 REMOTE PLAY*. IE, with this device you can play your PS4 on your bedroom TV while the PS4 is in the basement. This is a huge feature because it basically makes you able to extend your PS4 to any room in the house for $100.

Furthermore, this works over the internet, just like the Vita. So you can bring this tiny little box on trips and hook it up to the hotel TV to play your PS4 games on the road.

It is a HUGE product. I think Sony is not marketing it properly because no one is understanding all the features.

Re:A lot of people are missing the best feature (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44806905)

Sony did release a video hyping up what you can do with the sharing/streaming (no youtube here so I can only give you the kotaku link which leads to the youtube)

http://kotaku.com/its-hard-not-to-get-pumped-about-this-ps4-feature-1280580372 [kotaku.com]

One other thing I noticed: it appears Vita TV will support same screen multiplayer

Re:A lot of people are missing the best feature (1)

Therad (2493316) | about a year ago | (#44806935)

Will the games play remotely without a disc in the PS4? And will it stream fullHD (since vita doesn't have it)?

Re:A lot of people are missing the best feature (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44808045)

...I think Sony is not marketing it properly because no one is understanding all the features.

So what else is new?

During the PS3/360 generation, Microsoft marketed the shit out of the XBox 360 - so much so that most multiplatform game ads only ever show the 360 case, GameStop barely stopped short of hiding PS3 games and spreading misinformation about PS3 exclusives, etc.

The only ads of note the PS3 had were the weird "It only does everything" ad and "nudge-nudge-wink-wink in-joke" Kevin Butler ads. Marketing-wise, a pathetically poor showing from Sony during the PS3 generation in my opinion.

Re:A lot of people are missing the best feature (1)

avandesande (143899) | about a year ago | (#44808543)

This could be really cool if it could 'split screen' multiplayer FPS across televisions. This would be like having to PS4s.

Never succeed (1)

davidmcg (796487) | about a year ago | (#44807209)

I was one of those who purchased a PS Vita sometime ago. I found the selection of games to be mostly casual style games. The cost of the games is prohibitive to anyone but those with disposable income. I've seen a number of games on there cost upwards of £29, where the same game can be bought for IOS for a lot less (£2 or below). Until Sony sort this out, it's always going to be a niche player (if that) and nothing more. It a shame, as the hardware is the PS Vita is powerful enough to have some serious killer games on there. I'm selling mine if you're interested :)

Re:Never succeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44808659)

If your playing phone games on the Vita than your playing the wrong games. If you never tried it play Gravity Rush, Persona 4 Golden, Wipeout, Dragons' Crown, Muramasa the demon blade. Those real games not the ios/android remakes.

Seriously, Vita should have been huge (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about a year ago | (#44809531)

While many people won't admit it, most people usually enjoy fingering something in the back to give them enjoyment.

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