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Apple Unveils iPhone 5C, iPhone 5S

Soulskill posted about 7 months ago | from the only-24-letters-left-to-choose-from dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "Apple unveiled the iPhone 5C and iPhone 5S today, which will replace the company's current iPhone 5. Apple CEO Tim Cook and other executives took to a stage in California to introduce both devices. The cheaper iPhone 5C features a plastic casing available in a variety of colors (green, blue, reddish-pink, yellow, white); Apple seems to have done its best to make the device look high quality, with the backing and sides molded of a single piece of plastic; on the hardware side of things, the iPhone 5C comes with a 4-inch Retina display, A6 processor, and 8-megapixel camera. The other new Apple design, the iPhone 5S, is the company's next-generation 'hero' device. While the iPhone 5 was a radical new design, the 5S is an iterative upgrade; on the outside, it looks pretty much the same as its predecessor (the new iPhone features a new color, gold, in addition to the 'traditional' black or white aluminum body). The iPhone 5S has an A7 chip built on 64-bit architecture (capable of running 32-bit and 64-bit apps), which is pretty speedy, to put it mildly. There's also the M7 'motion co-processor' which boosts the actions of the accelerometer, compass, and gyroscope—in theory, opening the door to more refined motion-related apps, such as ones devoted to exercise." The iPhone 5S also has a sensor built into the home button that will allow you to unlock the device with your fingerprint. Both new phone will be available for purchase on Friday, Sept. 20th. Apple announced that iOS 7 will be rolling out on Wednesday, Sept. 18th.

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Ghey (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810217)

I don't need a $600 anal dildo, thanks.

Hand over your fingerprint! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810225)

About to get a lot less harder to "forget" passwords.

Re:Hand over your fingerprint! (1)

WarJolt (990309) | about 7 months ago | (#44810473)

Just cut off your fingertip...it's about the same thing.

Samsung Group (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810619)

Samsung Group (1938-2013)

R.I.P.

Re: Hand over your fingerprint! (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810575)

Look at it from the NSA/FBI's point of view: they already have backdoor access to your phone's data, so the fingerprint scanner isn't about keeping Them out, but about securing biometric data from users voluntarily. If They tried to fingerprint or retina-scan a whole nation Themselves (like our troops do to occupied Afganistan and before in Iraq) there would be resistance; we only got away with it in Afghanistan and Iraq because we were an armed, occupying force. At home, they'll start integrating biometric scanners into cheap, gaudy (GOLD!) baubles so the Sheeple fingerprint themselves instead.

Re:Hand over your fingerprint! (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 7 months ago | (#44810679)

On the plus side, users only used to write their password on a sticky note stored under their keyboard. Now they'll be scribbling it everywhere they touch, and only have 9 resets!

Stop with the conferences (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810227)

See Apple, the thing is, these big media events used to be about introducing jaw-dropping, mind blowing new technology. When you use them to introduce cheap, plastic commodified goods, they become breeding grounds for apathy on the part of your customers. Better to not have these conferences anymore, IMO.

Re:Stop with the conferences (2)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 7 months ago | (#44810309)

It's not cheap. You will pay much more with the "two year contract". Buying the locked-in computer with unlocked sim will still cost a lot.

Re:Stop with the conferences (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 7 months ago | (#44810349)

It's not cheap. You will pay much more with the "two year contract". Buying the locked-in computer with unlocked sim will still cost a lot.

Any phones where that isn't the case?

Re:Stop with the conferences (5, Informative)

Kufat (563166) | about 7 months ago | (#44810415)

Yes. [google.com] . Note that that's an off-contract price and that it ships with a user-unlockable bootloader.

(I have no interest in a flame war. It's an answer to the question the parent asked, not an attempt to start an Android vs. iOS argument.)

Re:Stop with the conferences (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 7 months ago | (#44810553)

I agree the Nexus 4 is a nice phone at a great price, but it isn't "high end" either. There are other similar priced smart phones with similar features. We don't really need to have the most bleeding edge phone but if you want one, you'll need to spend more money than what the Nexus 4 cost.

Re:Stop with the conferences (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 7 months ago | (#44810701)

"See Apple, the thing is, these big media events used to be about introducing jaw-dropping, mind blowing new technology."

Has Apple ever been about 'mind blowing new technology'? As long as I can remember, they've been about well polished, high-production-value implementations of technology that already existed.

Jobs must be rolling in his grave... (5, Interesting)

rodrigoandrade (713371) | about 7 months ago | (#44810239)

First, Apple releases a tiny 7" tablet, against Jobs recommendation when he was alive. Now they come up with a cheap iPhone, further eroding Aple's premium image.

What's next, sell iPhones at Walmart??

Re:Jobs must be rolling in his grave... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810277)

This is the beginning of the end... SELL APPL, SELL APPL!!!!

Re:Jobs must be rolling in his grave... (0)

gl4ss (559668) | about 7 months ago | (#44810285)

they don't sell 'em at Walmart? why not? around here they sell them at places where they sell phones and walmart like places are included..

besides you know jobs was bullshitting 99% of time he said something is stupid to do.

you know what really erodes apples premium image? half of iphones in the wild having something wrong with them. cracked screens and dead power buttons being the common problems..

Re:Jobs must be rolling in his grave... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810663)

you know what really erodes apples premium image? half of iphones in the wild having something wrong with them. cracked screens and dead power buttons being the common problems..

You mean like every other smart phone out there? The glass back of my friend's Nexus 4 shattered when he dropped. Another friend has a crack that runs across the top third of his Samsung Galaxy 3. It's not the manufacturer's fault that people are clumsy.

Re:Jobs must be rolling in his grave... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810333)

First, Apple releases a tiny 7" tablet, against Jobs recommendation when he was alive. Now they come up with a cheap iPhone, further eroding Aple's premium image.

What's next, sell iPhones at Walmart??

Er, yeah, right next to the HUGE display of other Apple iProducts in Wal-Mart. Your point?

Newsflash: It's not exactly a death knell to your business when the worlds largest retailer wants to put your product on their shelves.

Re:Jobs must be rolling in his grave... (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | about 7 months ago | (#44810599)

> Er, yeah, right next to the HUGE display of other Apple iProducts in Wal-Mart. Your point?

Walmart is famous for trying to make premium brands their b*tch. There have been companies that have been faced with lowering their quality or being shut out of Walmart and chose to be shut out of Walmart.

It used to be that Apple was held up as that kind of company.

Re:Jobs must be rolling in his grave... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810385)

You forgot to mention the new Mac Pro redesign. WTF were they thinking!!

Ya, umm, I want a powerful base tube for a PC. And, I also want a tower for a AirPort Extreme (router) too. Seriously, and now a gold *bling* *bling* iPhone?!! Hiphop nation here we come. Just watch the crime rate go up in the jungle. For fucks sake. Downhill is right.

Re:Jobs must be rolling in his grave... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810439)

Before the iDevices came out, Jobs did an interview where he was asked what he planned for the computer line (I think they were still PowerPC at the time). His response was, "Milk them for all they're worth and move on to the next thing".

Sounds like this is what is happening. The people at Apple know they have to come up with something. Maybe they're just treading water until they figure out what move to make.

Or... maybe they're just treading water.

Re:Jobs must be rolling in his grave... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810485)

Why not? Walmart already carries a number of apple products.

Re:Jobs must be rolling in his grave... (0)

Espectr0 (577637) | about 7 months ago | (#44810545)

The 7" ipad is even eating the profits from the bigger 9.7" model. Jobs was wrong on this one.

The 5C i don't like, but it may be popular with teens. Android is eating iOS's lunch, Apple has to try something new.

Re:Jobs must be rolling in his grave... (2)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 7 months ago | (#44810585)

What's next, sell iPhones at Walmart??

Why not? If they can get the cost down to compete with other feature/smart phones, then it's way better for the consumer. The worst case scenario is what we have now; tiers based on price rather than merit. When the cost becomes irrelevant due to a shared cost horizon, products are left to compete based on innovative features rather than slanted idealism.

Re:Jobs must be rolling in his grave... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810595)

Now they come up with a cheap iPhone, further eroding Aple's premium image.

What the fuck are you talking about? Do you completely forget the entire history of the iPod? If you don't think that the iPhone 5C was part of Jobs' planning for the iPhone then you are completely ignorant of Apple's past.

hmmmm (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810243)

wow big deal

Where's the led notification? (5, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about 7 months ago | (#44810265)

Seriously, when I had an iPhone, the one thing that annoyed me more than anything was the lack of a notification led.

That's what the S stands for:

"Still no notification led"

Re:Where's the led notification? (2, Interesting)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 7 months ago | (#44810295)

Also, still no widgets, or alternative ways to install software.

It is pretty hardware. Overprced, I think, but nice. I wish they'd either open up their walled garden or sell these for people to install other operating systems on. They could keep their 'prestige' brand while not crippling the hardware.

Re:Where's the led notification? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810463)

grrr, angry anti apple nerd.

Re:Where's the led notification? (0)

jimbo (1370) | about 7 months ago | (#44810467)

Well, all those gyrating widgets straining for attention are just a nerd fest anyway ;)

Re:Where's the led notification? (0)

Rude Turnip (49495) | about 7 months ago | (#44810675)

Seriously, though. My wife has a Galaxy S3 and it looks like it was made for the ADD crowd with a million "oh so clever widgets" competing for attention. She is an ordinary user...she'll never bother with that stuff. Apple isn't going to waste its money on distractions like that.

Re:Where's the led notification? (0)

carlhaagen (1021273) | about 7 months ago | (#44810323)

I can see this being a problem for deaf people, but if you're not deaf, what's so horribly problematic with the model all manufacturers have been using the past 15 years, repeating the relevant alarm sound (SMS etc.) once every minute until the user picks the phone up?

Re:Where's the led notification? (4, Interesting)

FlopEJoe (784551) | about 7 months ago | (#44810523)

It's horribly problematic to alarm every minute when I want the alarm sound off! Meetings, presentations, movie theaters. I even silence it even at work in my cube. I love my droid multi-color and flash rate notification LED. Different colors for different types of notifications and a different flash rate for "important" people's SMS.

Re:Where's the led notification? (0)

carlhaagen (1021273) | about 7 months ago | (#44810569)

So you mean you actually check your phone during meetings, instead of keeping it in your pocket and not letting it steal your attention? Wow. And if you have to check the LED on the phone, can't you just let the phone lie on the table so you can see its display light up, or simply keep it in your pocket and let the vibration do its intended job?

Re:Where's the led notification? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810617)

So you mean you actually check your phone during meetings, instead of keeping it in your pocket and not letting it steal your attention?

How else will you have an excuse to skip that stupid meeting where nothing ever gets done?

Re:Where's the led notification? (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about 7 months ago | (#44810555)

I can see this being a problem for deaf people, but if you're not deaf, what's so horribly problematic with the model all manufacturers have been using the past 15 years, repeating the relevant alarm sound (SMS etc.) once every minute until the user picks the phone up?

Really? All manufacturers? For 15 years?

My 5 year old Samsung flip phone only beeped once... no options anywhere to beep again let alone forever.

I'm pretty sure the iPhone only ever beeped a second time like 5 minutes later and not every minute forever like you suggest. Granted that second beep was often very useful but it was only a second beep. One loud TV show or phone conversation with your neighbor and you might not notice until the next time you need to use the phone.

I like the LED. If I leave it on my dresser and leave it for a while... I can tell right away if I got a message while I was gone without waiting for this mythical forever beep.

Granted, the LED is useless if the phone is in your pocket but it's still a nice feature for people that will put their phones on their coffee tables or whatever.

Re:Where's the led notification? (2)

vux984 (928602) | about 7 months ago | (#44810667)

I can see this being a problem for deaf people, but if you're not deaf, what's so horribly problematic with the model all manufacturers have been using the past 15 years

Not all manufacturers have been using that model. My phone has an LED. My phone before that had one. 15 years ago... lets see... I had a StarTAC... it had an LED that would flash if i had missed calls or voicemail too.

I had an iphone 3GS for a couple years, and that's probably the only phone i've ever had without one. And it was definitely a feature I missed. My wife refuses to consider a phone without an LED she relies on it so much. Her friends are pretty chatty, so she doesn't want it to beep or vibrate every time she gets a message, and she doesn't always want to answer texts right away from them if she's busy. But she also doesn't want "no notification" because then she has to OCD check it all the time and that's annoying too... LED is perfect for "check it at glance even from across the room"

repeating the relevant alarm sound (SMS etc.) once every minute until the user picks the phone up?

Maybe, just maybe, I don't want my phone to beep to bug me and everyone around me every single minute that I don't go fondle it?

Maybe I like being able to pop it on the charger and then tell at a glance whether I have new messages. So I can check when I want to check, without having to move, and without it disrupting me and everyone else around me, every minute.

And current phones with programmable multicolor led support, I can know at a glance whether its from someone important enough to get up and go deal with or not.

Critical system down at work is a different LED color than other stuff...

Re:Where's the led notification? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810363)

uhh... if you have the phone in front of you where you can see the notification led when something happens, why can't you just as easily see the screen when it lights up during an event? and if you put the phone behind you where you can't see when the screen lights up, isn't it bothersome to turn around all the time to check the notification led? i don't understand how your brain works... also, do you have no hearing? what's wrong with a repetitive event sound like all phones already do since forever?

Re:Where's the led notification? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810655)

Sure, then the screen stays on, how long? Until I dismiss the notification 6 hours later and the batter is just about dead? Great idea. What's wrong with a repetitive event sound? Do you want to listen to an inconsiderate coworker's phone do that for 6 hours on end? I don't.

i don't understand how your brain works...

It's obvious there are many things you don't understand, such as other people have phone usage patterns that while they differ from yours are still very legitimate. So legitimate that many other manufacturers included a feature to cater to them.

You are just providing more ammo for people to hate on Apple fanboys who think the usage pattern supported by apple's devices is the only legitimate one and that everyone else should adopt it.

Re:Where's the led notification? (3, Informative)

sessamoid (165542) | about 7 months ago | (#44810383)

iOS6 has a setting to use the camera flash as a notification blinker.

Re:Where's the led notification? (5, Funny)

ricklow (124377) | about 7 months ago | (#44810591)

Have you ever tried it? I damn near fried my retinas when it went off.

Re:Where's the led notification? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810627)

You can setup the LED to flash upon notification (under accessibility settings) since the iPhone equipped with an LED (3 years ago).

Stock price drop in 3, 2, 1... (0)

faragon (789704) | about 7 months ago | (#44810281)

How much time will Apple be able to sell smartphones at 600-700 USD?

Re:Stock price drop in 3, 2, 1... (5, Informative)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 7 months ago | (#44810497)

How much time will Apple be able to sell smartphones at 600-700 USD?

You mean like the Samsung 4S or the HTC One?

Fingerprint database, anyone? (2, Insightful)

carlhaagen (1021273) | about 7 months ago | (#44810289)

I'm not an anti-Apple dullard, believe me, but this thought must've stricken at least a few of the readers.

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (5, Informative)

sessamoid (165542) | about 7 months ago | (#44810329)

The fingerprint is saved locally and encrypted on the individual phone's A7 chip. Never goes to iCloud. Never touches Apple servers.

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810391)

ah... so in other words, it's only available to the NSA.

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (5, Insightful)

_xeno_ (155264) | about 7 months ago | (#44810443)

The fingerprint is saved locally and encrypted on the individual phone's A7 chip. Never goes to iCloud. Never touches Apple servers.

Ah, so we've looked through the source code and hardware design to verify that's the case? I mean, the source code and hardware are open, so we can verify them, and the phone is open so we can verify that the binary on the phone matches the source code we have, right?

What's that, no on all counts?

Yeah, no, I think I'll pass on trusting Apple with anything, especially considering that their privacy policy (still) says that they track your every move - but it's OK, because they don't attach it to your name, just an unique ID that's attached to your phone that's attached to your name.

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810693)

>Ah, so we've looked through the source code and hardware design to verify that's the case? I mean, the source code and hardware are open, so we can verify them, and the phone is open so we can verify that the binary on the phone matches the source code we have, right?

You are so right. Oh btw, where can I get a full source code for the very specific software on my Galaxy S3? Can I download it from Samsung? How about the hardware design?

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (2)

skiminki (1546281) | about 7 months ago | (#44810477)

And you honestly think that NSA or whatever won't be able to fetch that data from the phone?

One day someone leaves a bag full of stuff with fingerprints somewhere, then they'll have all the justification they need for a worldwide fingerprint db...

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810557)

NSA already HAS your finger prints. Weren't you finger printed as a child (in case you were lost or found dead or something?)

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (3, Interesting)

Just Some Guy (3352) | about 7 months ago | (#44810665)

Not to dispute your paranoid premise, but... I've personally helped out with a "Child Identification Program" activity where we made videos of kids, took some standardized pictures, took fingerprints (using paper and ink, not digital scanners), and collected a cheek swab DNA sample. When we were done, every single shred of data we collected was gathered up and given to the parents for safekeeping. We had neither the interest nor the capability of storing "backups". Please don't talk parents out of making identification kits of their kids.

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (1)

n5vb (587569) | about 7 months ago | (#44810525)

The fingerprint is saved locally and encrypted on the individual phone's A7 chip. Never goes to iCloud. Never touches Apple servers.

Encrypted, or hashed?

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 7 months ago | (#44810637)

The fingerprint is saved locally and encrypted on the individual phone's A7 chip. Never goes to iCloud. Never touches Apple servers.

Do we know this for fact?

Because if one's tin-foil hat was a little snug, you might conclude the NSA has informed Apple they require that to be uploaded to them so that people are providing their own fingerprints.

I have nothing to substantiate this, but I sure as hell wouldn't consider using fingerprint as an unlock mechanism.

The reality is, with the Patriot Act and all we've been hearing, you have no idea if that is being uploaded or not, and the people involved wouldn't tell you anyway.

Being an American controlled company these days means it's not possible to assume the NSA hasn't co-opted some of your stuff.

It's almost safer to assume (and with a fairly good chance of being correct) such things are compromised and treat them accordingly.

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (0, Redundant)

RatBastard (949) | about 7 months ago | (#44810331)

According to the presentation fingerprints are stored in the camera, not in a database.

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (1, Informative)

ThomasBHardy (827616) | about 7 months ago | (#44810343)

According to the speakers at the event, the fingerprint data is not transferred to any servers or backed up in icloud for precisely these security issues.

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (1)

LDAPMAN (930041) | about 7 months ago | (#44810361)

Supposedly it's embedded in the A7 processor and cannot be accessed by anything but the authentication software.

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810379)

Agreed; however, if you believe Apple's presentation the fingerprint data never leaves the device, and is never shared/sent to Apple's servers/iCloud in any way...

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810427)

It says the fingerprint is stored encrypted on the device. They did not make any mention of the encryption key, where that is stored, or if it is even common or different among devices.

I am assuming if asked Apple will hand over the encryption keys which, given your physical device in an agency's physical possession, will able to obtain access to all your data.

Re:Fingerprint database, anyone? (1)

LDAPMAN (930041) | about 7 months ago | (#44810503)

There is no "key" in the sense you mean. It's hardware based encryption, just like a smart card.

Fail (1, Informative)

p51d007 (656414) | about 7 months ago | (#44810293)

Nothing new, nothing jaw-dropping, but the faithful iSheep will be standing in line...

Re:Fail (1)

jimbo (1370) | about 7 months ago | (#44810519)

Perhaps you don't like these newfangled smartphones from brands such as Apple, HTC, Motorola or Samsung (they're all roughly similar anyway) but that hardly makes people sheep for seeing some value in them.

Zzzzz... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810311)

Boring. Yet another fucking phone. This is stuff that matters?

Re:Zzzzz... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810403)

Boring. Yet another fucking phone. This is stuff that matters?

I'll concede that normally news about a smart phone is boring. But a phone you can fuck? Definitely not boring!

So long, Apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810313)

So much for your hipster image, now that you make plastic phones for smelly "poor" folk.

Everyone buying the 5S must eventually realize that all those extra hundreds of dollars don't actually buy them anything.

Re:So long, Apple (4, Informative)

LDAPMAN (930041) | about 7 months ago | (#44810429)

hmm...except for;

1. non-plastic case
2. Better camera
3. Fingerprint sensor
4. Motion co-processor
5. 64bit A7 processor with double the CPU and GPU performance of the old proc

Yea...nothing different there for your $100

Re:So long, Apple (2)

Brian (2887359) | about 7 months ago | (#44810631)

The A7 is twice as fast as what? The processor in the 5? Can we see some benchmarks?

Re:So long, Apple (1)

mrbester (200927) | about 7 months ago | (#44810647)

If it doesn't come with a radio capable of receiving LTE from Vodaphone there'll be a lot of annoyed consumers.

Lack of sensor demo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810327)

I think the most telling thing is that they didnt bother to demo the fingerprint scanner live. Could it be that it is not as accurate as they would liked (basically like all of the bio sensors out there) and didnt want a botched demo? Am I reading too much in to this?

Re:Lack of sensor demo... (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 7 months ago | (#44810603)

How would they demo that other than you press the Home button and it unlocks? It's not like they'll throw up CSI style graphics showing you how the phone matches the finger print real time.

These aren't the innovations you're looking for... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810357)

Colored phoned....yep, Nokia did that...fingerprint reader...Motorolla..etc etc etc..FFS..do people really think this is innovation??!??!! Oh, sorry I'm not a fucking investor. Jeez...everytime I watch an Apple event I'm left thinking...is that it? On the other hand...LOOK...LOL Catz...

Really the whole mobile industry died 5 years ago when it suddenly became apparent that everyone just wanted to make their iPhone and apple only even made on iPhone..ever...just releases it under a new new every year...

Ugh... stuck at 64GB... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810389)

Can I please have a 128GB device? Don't care about fingerprints.

Re:Ugh... stuck at 64GB... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810703)

Or at least the tiny MICROSD slot like everyone offers instead of this fixed storage nonsense?

iPhone fan, but feeling dissappointed (5, Insightful)

ThomasBHardy (827616) | about 7 months ago | (#44810393)

I've been a fan of the iPhone since it came out. Love it or hate it, it did change the landscape and it does a lot of things really well. Unfortunately the whizzbang features with the faster processor and fingerprint scanner and such, while nifty, are less compelling to me than getting a larger screen for my aging eyes. That alone knocks it out of my "time to upgrade" category. It feels like too small of an incremental enhancement and not anything singularly so substantial that it's worth plunking down money for.

Re:iPhone fan, but feeling dissappointed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810527)

All of their releases are incremental. The biggest difference after the intro was the 4 with the case redesign. This is probably one of the most significant upgrades because of the OS redesign.

Having said that, not sure if I'm going to upgrade my 4S. Probably because it has a big crack in it. I upgraded from the 4 to the 4S early because the 4 had a lot of big cracks in it.

They are doing a buyback. I wonder what they'll give me for 3 old phones, 2 with cracks in them.

Re:iPhone fan, but feeling dissappointed (3, Informative)

lazarus (2879) | about 7 months ago | (#44810669)

I'm with you. The iPhone is just getting too damn small for my 2000 year-old eyes to see anymore. Make it bigger FFS! Stupid kids...

The 5C isn't even cheap (4, Insightful)

iONiUM (530420) | about 7 months ago | (#44810409)

I'm sorry, but the 5C is $99 on contract, which is similar to many Android phones that are better. In addition, the off-contract price is $599 (CAD) for 5C 16GB... how is that a "cheap" phone? The nexus is, what, $350? Give me a break.

Re:The 5C isn't even cheap (3, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | about 7 months ago | (#44810501)

This is why Apple likes the US cellular model. They get heavy subsidization via the carriers who lock users in for 2 years and don't see the actual price.

Re:The 5C isn't even cheap (1)

notanalien_justgreen (2596219) | about 7 months ago | (#44810685)

Yeah, I agree. I don't see that much differentiation between the 5S and 5C. If people want a cheap option - won't they just buy the 4S for $0 up front? What demographic is the 5C for?

A Sensor to unlock with Fingerprint? (1)

AftanGustur (7715) | about 7 months ago | (#44810419)

a sensor built into the home button that will allow you to unlock the device with your fingerprint

That's called a "fingerprint scanner", right?
Apple just put a "Fingerprint Scanner" on it's latest iPhone!

Come on say it: "FingerpriNSA canner"!

Re:A Sensor to unlock with Fingerprint? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810607)

The NSA already has my fingerprint, so what's your point?

iPod Touches? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810425)

I haven't paid attention to these things in quite a while; Do they usually also announce the iPod Touches if they're coming, or are they a gimme when the upgrade the iPhone?

Re:iPod Touches? (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 7 months ago | (#44810515)

Depends on what the iPhone change is. The last time they updated the Touch it was because the iPhone went to taller screen, new chip, etc. The Fingerprint scanner and new chip might not be enough to require an update to the Touch at this time.

GOLD, it's GOLD, I tells ya! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810433)

HAHA!
unwashed Fisher-price color plastic iPhone 5C peasant!
gold iPhone 5S master race reporting in!

did you buy that thing at Walmart?!

I bought a 4.... that's enough (4, Informative)

mark-t (151149) | about 7 months ago | (#44810449)

I do not expect I will be buying another iPhone ever again. The device is far too tiny... It seemed like a good idea at the time when I bought it, but having used it for 2 years now, I can see that it's not all that I had hoped for.

My wife's Galaxy Note phone is awesome... reasonable screen size, and even comes with a stylus.

If Apple made something along those lines (I think the term is "phabet), I'd probably purchase it, but I don't expect that they will, so once my current contract is up (next spring), I'm migrating to an Android.

Re:I bought a 4.... that's enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810633)

that settles it - time to sell AAPL!

Still no larger screen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44810493)

Wot? No bigger screen?

Still patiently waiting for the Nexus 5. Don't let me down Google.

Fingerprint novelty (2)

WarJolt (990309) | about 7 months ago | (#44810495)

Hopefully user installed apps can't use that fingerprint scanner or I can see identity theft hit a new level.
I've used the Atrix 4G and the fingerprint novelty is fleeting, not to mention fingerprints are insecure and at least in the Atrix 4G case frustrating to use because of misreads.

Significant Others everywhere... (1)

MugenEJ8 (1788490) | about 7 months ago | (#44810529)

...are biting their nails, trying to figure out how to chop off their loved ones finger without them knowing.

Fingerprint scanner? (1, Insightful)

mjpollard (473241) | about 7 months ago | (#44810561)

Can't think of any other phone that had one of those. Oh, wait, yes I can: the Motorola Atrix 4G, over two and a half years ago. Of course, since the Almighty Apple has now sanctioned it, I'm sure it'll now become more popular than oxygen...

Android user, was going to switch (0)

pr0t0 (216378) | about 7 months ago | (#44810643)

I'd really like a better camera on my phone, and thought the iPhone 5s might be the device I'd jump the Android ship for. Then I saw they are still using the same tiny 4-inch screen as the iPhone 4. My guess is that in addition to the increased cost of manufacturing considerations, they feel a larger screen size would cannibalize iPad sales; and I'm sure they have charts and graphs to back that up.

For my personal tastes though, I don't want a tablet and a phone. I guess I'm looking for a Galaxy Note 3 with iPhone camera capabilities and performance, and Droid Razr Maxx battery life. You can't always get what you want, I suppose.

Surprising they're sticking with 64GB (4, Insightful)

MarcoAtWork (28889) | about 7 months ago | (#44810695)

I would've thought they'd bump to 128GB this time, especially given how large some apps are getting nowadays...

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