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PS Vita TV's Killer App: Remote Play

Soulskill posted about 10 months ago | from the all-your-gadgets-have-subgadgets dept.

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jfruh writes "When Sony announced the PS Vita TV yesterday, most observers saw it as competition for the Apple TV and Roku, or maybe the Ouya. But gaming writer Peter Smith views it differently; he thinks that remote play, including the ability to stream games from the upcoming PlayStation 4 console, will be the Vita TV's killer-app. In that sense, it isn't so much a low-cost replacement for casual gamers as an add-on to the high-end PS4. '[W]hen you're in the middle of a game and someone wants to watch TV, you can just grab a Vita and keep on playing. (This is similar to the popular "tablet play" feature of Nintendo's Wii U, without the Wii U's limitation of having to stay in close proximity to the base console.) ... For any Playstation 4 household with more than one TV I think the PS Vita TV will become a 'must-have' accessory; it's almost like getting a second PS4 for $100.'"

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134 comments

Sony wins again! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44816705)

Looks like if you want to play video games at the cutting edge, you'll have to go against your anti-sony faggottry.

Re:Sony wins again! (1)

Therad (2493316) | about 10 months ago | (#44817265)

Looks like if you want to play video games at the cutting edge, you'll have to go against your anti-sony faggottry.

I play cutting edge perfectly fine without a console... if you haven't noticed, there is this thing called a "PC" which can be used for gaming. Not only that, but it has better controls for certain types of games. Crazy I know.

Re:Sony wins again! (2, Informative)

Zeromous (668365) | about 10 months ago | (#44817667)

> but it has better controls for certain types of games

but it has better controls for SOME types of games.

Re:Sony wins again! (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about 10 months ago | (#44817889)

The fact that you can use a regular console controller for a PC, or a mouse and keyboard means you get the best type of control for whatever type of game you want to play. There's no question IMHO that PCs have the better controls for ALL games. Ever tried play an RTS with a console controller? It doesn't work. FPS, keyboard and mouse beats console controller any day. MMORPG, I couldn't play without hot keys, keyboard and mouse wins. Simulator, too many controls for just a single controller.

Actually the only thing I can think of that console controllers are better than a keyboard and mouse for is a JRPG like old school Final Fantasy, that's not to say you can't play it with a keyboard and mouse, but in that case the controller is easier to just hold and repeatedly tap 'A'.

Actually if you look at how console controllers have evolved you'll see pretty quick they have to keep adding new buttons for all the actions that keep getting added to games, pretty soon it'll just be a keyboard-mouse combination you hold more comfortably.

Re:Sony wins again! (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 10 months ago | (#44818037)

There's no question IMHO that PCs have the better controls for ALL games.

No.

Ever tried play an RTS with a console controller? It doesn't work

Yes, I have, and it does work. Have you, or are you just spouting what you think is true because you're one of those "PC Master Race" people.

FPS, keyboard and mouse beats console controller any day.

You know why PC FPS players like mice? Easy headshots. Maybe you don't remember when the first mouselook shooters showed up and the old school DOOM players calling that "easy mode" And I'll take analog movement over WASD any day.

MMORPG, I couldn't play without hot keys, keyboard and mouse wins.

You did know that Final Fantasy XI implemented hotkeys on the controller right? And that nobody, not even those who played it on the PC used keyboard to move and nobody used mice.

Simulator, too many controls for just a single controller.

That's what USB is for...which also lets you hook up a HOTAS or a keyboard and mouse if you want...so according to your own argument the PC has zero advantage in controls.

Re:Sony wins again! (2)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about 10 months ago | (#44818517)

There's no question IMHO that PCs have the better controls for ALL games.

No.

Yes, that is my opinion. You can argue, but you don't get to dictate what I do and do not believe.

Have you

I've played plenty of RTS games with a controller back in the NES and SNES days, keyboard and mouse is superior. They don't seem to make very many RTS games for consoles these days, Hmmm I wonder why?

or are you just spouting what you think is true because you're one of those "PC Master Race" people.

I'm not one of those "PC Master Race" people, I have several consoles including an Ouya, PS, PS2, PS3, Wii, SNES, NES, XBox (original). I do find PC, especially a good laptop with an emulator is a better all-in-one solution, it's portable and has the mouse & keyboard or controller option, but I guess if your one of the console fanbois that wouldn't matter anyway.

You did know that Final Fantasy XI

I've played FFXI on both PS3 and PC. PC is far superior. On top of the keyboard being better than the controller for hot keys, the keyboard is pretty much essential for text chat, which I find better for communicating that a headset, but that's a different argument.

You know why PC FPS players like mice? Easy headshots

Yeah, they had to implement "assisted lock on" for console controllers in order for PC and console players to play together because a mouse was just too accurate when compared to a controller.

Sorry, but them's the facts.

Re:Sony wins again! (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about 10 months ago | (#44818717)

I've played FFXI on both PS3 and PC.

Sorry that was a typo. I've played FFXI on both PS2 and PC.

Re:Sony wins again! (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 10 months ago | (#44820019)

You CAN play it on a backwards compatible PS3 though.

Re:Sony wins again! (0)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 10 months ago | (#44819995)

You can argue, but you don't get to dictate what I do and do not believe.

I said "No" because you said "all" which we both know is an exaggeration.

You know as well as I do, that there are far far more genre's out there than FPS's, RTS's and simulation...but that seems that those are the only genre's PC gamers want to talk about when it comes to controls. And those other genres...well some of them do play better with gamepads.

I've played plenty of RTS games with a controller back in the NES and SNES days

Your memory is faulty, there are no NES and SNES RTS's, the first one was a Genesis game, Herzog Zwei, (which inspired Westwood to do Dune II) so the genre actually originated on consoles. Never play the C&C series, Dune 2000, Warcraft II, or Warzone 2100 on a PSone?

I've played FFXI on both PS3 and PC. PC is far superior.

How so, it's the same game other than resolution.

[quote]On top of the keyboard being better than the controller for hot keys[/quote]

Say what? Those hotkeys were fast enough, easy to use too. Though I had a keyboard for chat and could use hotkeys that way too. You did know the PS2 supports USB keyboards right?

Yeah, they had to implement "assisted lock on" for console controllers in order for PC and console players to play together because a mouse was just too accurate when compared to a controller.

I am going to make a general rant of how I am sick and tired of elitist FPS fanboys thinking competitive FPS's are the be all of gaming. Yes the mouse makes those headshots easier...but that means that a gamer who can get headshots with the controller is thusly more skilled because it's more of a challenge, correct? And some might say that easy headshots aren't all that realistic. And I did point out that the old school FPSers considered mouse-look to be "Easy mode"

Re:Sony wins again! (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | about 10 months ago | (#44820165)

FPS, keyboard and mouse beats console controller any day.

I far prefer a Wii Remote and Nunchuck combo for an FPS. It's 1:1 input and gives me analogue movement.

Re:Sony wins again! (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about 10 months ago | (#44817831)

You can also use standard console controller with them and carry them to another room if you have the portable kind. I have HDMI cables hanging off all my TV's so I can plug any one of by three laptops into a TV to watch movies, TV shows, Netflix, downloads, play games on a big screen, play music, look at photos, read a book (yes I've spent many a sick day sitting in bed reading books on my bed room TV that has my home media server in the closet. I don't even have to get out of bed to turn it on, it's always there.). My PCs also have emulators that give me backward compatibility with the PS, PS2, XBox (original, is that what we're calling it now? I'm unsure.), NES, SNES, N64, Game Cube, Saga and a bunch of other consoles.

The only advantages a console has over a PC is they're slightly cheaper, but I have to own a PC anyway since I can't do everything I want with just a console, and exclusive games, but I'm predicting with this gen of consoles (because they're all x86 based) most games will be available for both PS4 and XBOne as well as PC's. If not on release then eventually through an emulator.

Re:Sony wins again! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44818175)

Anti Sony faggotry? I was bit by XCP, others were bit by OtherOS and having their CC info on an unencrypted web facing database. You're either trolling you're part of that damned evil company. Only an idiot would call a Sony victim a "faggot", you god damned bigot. FOAD,

Obvious troll is obvious... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44818905)

You're either trolling you're part of that damned evil company.

I *suspect* he was trolling. Either that or this is a highly unusual new approach on the part of Sony's PR department.

Only an idiot would call a Sony victim a "faggot",

Or a troll, rather obviously.

Too late (0)

pbjones (315127) | about 10 months ago | (#44816709)

Apple TV mirrors your desktop, so you can do on the TV what you can do on the mac. Macosx maverick will use use Apple TV as a second desktop, menu bar and all, so Sony get a PS4 extension, well done!

Re:Too late (4, Informative)

negRo_slim (636783) | about 10 months ago | (#44816737)

Mirroring a general purpose computing environment and being able to play your dedicated gaming device on a separate screen are not quite the same thing.

Re:Too late (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 10 months ago | (#44816825)

This thing is pretty much exactly like Chromecast and AppleTV with Sony specific features tacked on. The only thing surprising here is that Sony actually made it.

Re:Too late (3, Informative)

obarthelemy (160321) | about 10 months ago | (#44816853)

Not at all. ChromeCast is a very different beast than miracast/ariwhatever....: the content is *not* streamed from the master to the slave, but *pointed at and handed off*. The slave then directly connects to the server, the master then can even be switched off with no consequences.

Re:Too late (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 10 months ago | (#44817149)

The hand off functionality isnt the only way to get video to the device. Tab casting.

Re:Too late (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 10 months ago | (#44819743)

Not at all. ChromeCast is a very different beast than miracast/ariwhatever....: the content is *not* streamed from the master to the slave, but *pointed at and handed off*. The slave then directly connects to the server, the master then can even be switched off with no consequences.

Only to the point of cloud-accessible content. For "tab mirroring", Chrome's actually rendering the image and sending it through WiFi. It's why you can watch unsupported videos on Chromecast - because your local PC is actually tab-mirroring it to the device. It's also why audio and video are horrendously desynced and not smooth at all.

call me selfish, but I'm way more concerned about attempt by its competitor, to enforce digital only games.

You're assuming Sony doesn't do the same. Or that the existing PS3 and Xbox360 do it. Or that the PC is doing it as well.

You have to admit that what Microsoft did at the time was fairly forward thinking. What is one of the most common complaints about Steam? That you have to download 4-12+GB of data? In an otherwise very convenient software distribution method? (Steam was amongst the first "app stores" around). Or that it was bad for people with lousy broadband?

Microsoft did the same - you could download a 25+GB game, or you can get the disc, and save the download. They also went one further by allowing people to resell games (something no digital download store even offers the possibility right now of doing - sure a publisher could deny you the ability, but how is that different from the status quo?).

And hell, people missed the biggest (dis?)advantage - no game is effectively "out of print". Did Europe get a game you want but it's not coming to North America? (or Japan, or Asia, or...). Well, with the digital scheme, the discs were effectively DRM-free (Microsoft has admitted that the plan was to not have DRM on the disc because it wasn't required anymore). Just torrent yourself a copy of the game and purchase it. The disadvantage is of course the loss of control and weakened regional exclusivity that many countries have, and that sellers off Amazon.com and eBay can't really scalp copies, and of course, not having to pay (potentially exorbitant) worldwide shipping (if the store lets you buy it - like how Amazon.com restricts what can be bought internationally).

Re:Too late (0)

mcgrew (92797) | about 10 months ago | (#44817475)

Mirroring a general purpose computing environment

Until they remove the functionality. [wikipedia.org]

I can't understand why anyone would give their hard-earned money to Sony. They're not the least bit trustworthy.

Re:Too late (2)

Kartu (1490911) | about 10 months ago | (#44817715)

I don't see OtherOS removal as a problem, sorry, call me selfish, but I'm way more concerned about attempt by its competitor, to enforce digital only games.

There was hardly anyone who was affected by this. Those who bought device for Other OS didn't need to upgrade the firmware, those who bought it for games, couldn't care less about Other OS.

Re:Too late (4, Insightful)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about 10 months ago | (#44817981)

Those who bought device for Other OS didn't need to upgrade the firmware

Stop saying that, it wasn't an option. My PS3 was updated when my cousin put in a RENTED BluRay. I bought the PS3 for the Other OS along with the ability to play games AND watch BluRays. I paid more for it because of that and was later given the option to use Other OS exclusively XOR games and BluRays. I paid for all of the functionality. What was the PS3 slogan again? Oh yeah, "It only does everything!".

Oh you only bought that V8 car to drive? Well it's been two years so I guess we can replace the engine with V2. Guess you won't need the radio, air conditioner, power seats, windows, locks, etc... here's your soap box racer have fun.

In any case this isn't a which is better PS4 or XBone, this is a case of which isn't the worst and there is a third option. Just don't get either. Shows both companies we don't approve of any of their the anti-consumer behavior, whether it's removing features or DRM-lock-in-always-on-piece-of-shit.

Re:Too late (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44819791)

Those who bought device for Other OS didn't need to upgrade the firmware

Stop saying that, it wasn't an option. My PS3 was updated when my cousin put in a RENTED BluRay.

Whoa whoa whoa. Your cousin rented a BluRay disc of some kind and it had PS3 firmware on it? Firmware that automatically installed and updated your console? I think you might be leaving out a couple of steps, here.

Re:Too late (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about 10 months ago | (#44820303)

I've told the story so many times now, I decided to shorten it. I was making snacks and hadn't realized he rented a BluRay. He put it in and there was a firmware update. I don't know if it was automatic or he clicked yes, I wasn't in the room, but the result was my console was updated.

YES, newer blurays require updated firmware on older model the PS3 in order to play. It's a dirty trick in my opinion. Right along with saying they wouldn't remove the other os, then removing it in an April 1st update.
But you're focusing in on the wrong issue, I bought the PS3 to use the other OS AND Play games AND watch blurays. That was the deal when I bought the system and that's what I gave them money for. Then I had to choose between the Other OS XOR the other features. Call it what you will, but when someone buys anything for a set of features it's expect there'll be access to those features over the lifetime of the product, not just until the company decides they don't want to support it anymore, especially after such a short time.

I could understand if it was say a 60 year old car and the company just didn't make do-hicky-ma-bobbers anymore. I'm not going to tell them to fire up the assembly lines to replace one broken part, but if they wait at the gas station until I have to fill up the tank and said "We're going to take either you're A/C or the gas pedal, your choice" that's a different story.

I'll admit I'm bitter about it. My solution is that I'm just not going to buy from that company anymore and will be vocal about what kind of business practices they use. That's my right as a consumer.

Re:Too late (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | about 10 months ago | (#44819007)

call me selfish, but I'm way more concerned about attempt by its competitor, to enforce digital only games.

Bastards, I want my analogue games!!!

Re:Too late (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about 10 months ago | (#44816819)

How does that in ANY way relate to playing a PS4 game on other TVs by using one console (with all installed games, saves, account logins, etc) and cheap remote devices. It doesn't. But fanboys gotta be fanboys...

Re:Too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817153)

You mean it can display the picture from your computer on the TV screen? Wow! That's truly ingenious!

Re:Too late (1)

Kartu (1490911) | about 10 months ago | (#44817729)

You can also hook a controller to it, and it would transmit your commands to your main console over the network.
A bunch of my (kidless :)) fellows bought second consoles simply to be able to also play in the bedroom.

Re:Too late (1)

Seumas (6865) | about 10 months ago | (#44817289)

This will allow you to play video games, which OSX and Apple TV will not (at least, not with the same selection and capacity).

Also, the only benefit of this device is that it will let you play them remotely (meaning elsewhere in the same house, I believe) on another TV. The regular PS VITA will also stream games from your PS4 like the Wii U does.

Re:Too late (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 10 months ago | (#44817863)

Apple TV mirrors your desktop, so you can do on the TV what you can do on the mac.

Does it work for non-Mac OSes?

I'd like to mirror my display onto my bigscreen TV -- that would be awesome.

Already been done. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44816717)

Can't find the url, someone has been doing this for over 7 years.

Re:Already been done. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44816809)

Cool story, bro.

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Wait... Hasn't... What? (1)

timbudtwo (782174) | about 10 months ago | (#44816813)

Hasn't the WiiU his this, you know, forever? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-TV_Play [wikipedia.org] This is not a killer app, it is just progressing as things should have long ago. Sony followed Nintendo's lead with their motion control. This time I do think they will offer an excellent console, though.

Re:Wait... Hasn't... What? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44816823)

This lets you play on another TV (that has only a PS Vita TV connected to it, not a PS4), the Wii U does not.

Re:Wait... Hasn't... What? (1)

Seumas (6865) | about 10 months ago | (#44817297)

I currently have four PS3s and three of them are strictly for myself, so I can have access to them in different places of the house that I might want ot enjoy them. One in the sunroom, one in the home theater, one in the home office. Having the ability to just plug in a little box that costs half as much or a third as much and have the same experience is pretty awesome.

I'm also looking forward to using the regular PS Vita for remote play.

Re:Wait... Hasn't... What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44816847)

You couldn't even read the summary?

Re:Wait... Hasn't... What? (1)

timbudtwo (782174) | about 10 months ago | (#44816873)

I did. It gives you a BIT more freedom. You can be a little further away. Whoopie doo! If you can play it on another tv then why cant the person who needs your tv do the same? Again, missing the killer app.

Re:Wait... Hasn't... What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44816945)

Because the person watching TV wants to use the big living room set.

With the Wii U, you have to be practically right next to it for "remote" play. With the Vita TV you can be anywhere in your house. I guess that's the same thing if you live in a tiny apartment or something.

Re:Wait... Hasn't... What? (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about 10 months ago | (#44817117)

A friend of mine has no problem playing it on the couch in a fairly large room. That's about as far you would expect to go if someone wants to watch TV.

Re:Wait... Hasn't... What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817303)

I wouldn't, I'd want to continue playing in another room or have the person playing go to another room to avoid distractions.

Re:Wait... Hasn't... What? (1)

Kartu (1490911) | about 10 months ago | (#44817747)

If all you want is off TV play, Sony PSP could do it for ages.

Great idea, but... (3, Insightful)

Dahamma (304068) | about 10 months ago | (#44816849)

I'm wondering a bit about the "playing PS4 games" part in regards to the controller. The PS4 controller has a touchpad that the Dualshock 3 doesn't have - I suppose as long as games don't make it integral to the gameplay it will work, otherwise, not so much unless/until the Vita TV supports the new controller...

Re:Great idea, but... (4, Informative)

aiadot (3055455) | about 10 months ago | (#44816865)

It was hinted in some interviews that the PS4 controller will also be supported. The only reason it only supports the DS3 for now is because it's getting released before the PS4.

Re: Great idea, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817227)

The PS Vita has a touch screen and a touchpad on the back and acts as the controller in this setup.

Re: Great idea, but... (1)

Therad (2493316) | about 10 months ago | (#44817287)

No, Ps vita isn't the controller in this case. Ps Tvita has an ordinary controller. You are mixing it up with their other solution, where you stream directly to your handheld.

Confusing summary (4, Informative)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 10 months ago | (#44816897)

[W]hen you're in the middle of a game and someone wants to watch TV, you can just grab a Vita and keep on playing.

The way the summary is written implies that you need a Vita TV to stream to a Vita, but you don't. What the article actually says is that, instead of streaming direct to a Vita, you could instead stream to a Vita TV connected to another TV.

I can see "Vita" and "Vita TV" causing a lot of customer confusion.

Re:Confusing summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817137)

The Vita TV is in fact a Vita in which the screen and controllers have been removed and a TV output added.

Re:Confusing summary (1)

Trogre (513942) | about 10 months ago | (#44817567)

Couldn't they just add a TV output to a regular Vita? I mean, why strip out the screen and controller at all?

Re:Confusing summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817681)

so the price is less than half while retaining basically the same functionality (being capable of playing on the go aside).

Re:Confusing summary (1)

Kartu (1490911) | about 10 months ago | (#44817767)

Besides dualshock is a better controller, with Vita they had to make compromises (big screen in the middle, should fit in a pocket etc)

Re:Confusing summary (1)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about 10 months ago | (#44817731)

Strip out the screen, halve the cost.

Re:Confusing summary (1)

Seumas (6865) | about 10 months ago | (#44817307)

Correct. You can stream to your PS Vita from the PS4 the same way the NVIDIA Shield streams from your PC.

The PS Vita TV does the same thing, but with TV-OUTs so you play it on another television.

This may have limited appeal, but for those who want it, it'll be terrific.

Killer App? Really? (2, Informative)

Khyber (864651) | about 10 months ago | (#44816901)

Uhh, my PSP was able to do this with my PS3. What's new, here?

Re:Killer App? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817013)

Your PSP was able to connect to another TV and use a real controller to play a game that is streamed from your PS3 on said TV?

Re:Killer App? Really? (2)

Paul King (2953311) | about 10 months ago | (#44817037)

Your PSP has no screen, plays output on the TV, uses a separate controller and cost $100 when released?

I think that's really part of the point, the remote play in and of itself may not be new, but the way it'll work and enable the Vita TV to be used to play PS4 games on any TV in your house, is the new twist. The article sees that as the more compelling use than playing Vita games on the TV.

Re:Killer App? Really? (1)

PKFC (580410) | about 10 months ago | (#44817925)

They say that it will work with every game and work better. I thought it was a pretty lousy feature on the PSP as it seemed to need too much bandwidth to be worthwhile. It's neat for about ten minutes to play a PS1 game from a disc in the PS3, but the lag...

Re:Killer App? Really? (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 10 months ago | (#44819901)

They say that it will work with every game and work better.

That's still "evolutionary" versus "revolutionary," though. At the very least, it still doesn't seem to justify the author's apparent assertion that "This Changes Everything!"

Everybody forgot about Gaikai already ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817055)

This seems to be the first Cloud gaming console: cheap streaming hardware, common controller, connected to an existing console account.
The only part missing is the PS3 cloud streaming service, which will come in 2014.

Remote play - with restrictions (2)

DrXym (126579) | about 10 months ago | (#44817057)

The Vita TV controller comes with a PS3 dual shock controller. Why didn't they use a variant of the PS4 controller with a touch sensitive pad?

It seems pretty dumb to release a box to play Vita or PS4 games that has a controller that can't even replicate most or all of the control surfaces. The Vita even has a rear touch pad though it's probably the front one that matters most. The Vita TV could draw a little circle to indicate where the user is touching on the screen.

Re:Remote play - with restrictions (1)

Narishma (822073) | about 10 months ago | (#44817945)

It comes with a DS3 because it will be released before the PS4. Once the PS4 is out, a firmware update will be released to make it compatible with a DS4.

Re:Remote play - with restrictions (1)

DrXym (126579) | about 10 months ago | (#44818201)

That really doesn't make much sense. The Vita has a touch screen. The PS4's controller with its touch pad could act as a substitute. Without it the system from the UI through to the compatible games it can play are seriously gimped. Besides, the Vita TV releases on November 14 - exactly one day before the Playstation 4 does, albeit in Japan while the PS4 launches first in the US. They could have shared the same controller.

I hope that if this thing launches in other territories it ships with the proper controller.

Re:Remote play - with restrictions (1)

Narishma (822073) | about 10 months ago | (#44818489)

So far, the PS Vita TV has only been announced for a Japanese release. If it were to be released with a DS4, it would have to be delayed for 3 months. Even then, the touchpad on the DS4 isn't a replacement for the touchscreen on the Vita for all games that make use of it, nor does it have an equivalent to the back touchpad or the cameras, so plenty of Vita games still wouldn't work on it.

Re:Remote play - with restrictions (1)

DrXym (126579) | about 10 months ago | (#44819699)

Why would it have delayed the Vita by 3 months? The PS4 controllers would be rolling off assembly lines in the far East regardless of where the PS4 is launched. Providing they had sufficient supply then the same controller could be used in one system.

I think the touch pad could be used as a substitute for the touchscreen in almost all cases. The Vita TV could just draw a dot or something where somebody was touching and they'd get used to it. The backpad isn't used as much so it's loss wouldn't be so felt and could probably be mapped in many instances (e.g. to the lower shoulder buttons, or to a player holding a lower shoulder button and touching the pad at same time).

Camera is understandable, but there are things that could have been done which weren't.

almost go both ways... (3, Interesting)

gagol (583737) | about 10 months ago | (#44817103)

'it's almost like getting a second hdmi cable for $100.'

Re:almost go both ways... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817625)

'it's almost like getting a second hdmi cable for $100.'

Only its not like that all, and does a whole lot more.

Re:almost go both ways... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817659)

Bravo sir! This article is full of hype and FUD imo. Slashdot is slipping with these shill articles.

Re:almost go both ways... (1)

Kartu (1490911) | about 10 months ago | (#44817779)

You also get "bluetooth extender" for your controller.

Re:almost go both ways... (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | about 10 months ago | (#44817847)

Does your $100 HDMI cable reach across the house and up two floors to my bedroom?

Re:almost go both ways... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817907)

I have one of those wireless TV extenders. Depending on the day they have static and if you turn on the microwave on the floor below plof, no signal. Thank you, I prefer the HDMI cable.

Re:almost go both ways... (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 10 months ago | (#44818119)

Do the Vita TV stream uncompressed video and have very low (say less than 10 ms) latency?

Re:almost go both ways... (1)

FatAlb3rt (533682) | about 10 months ago | (#44820501)

As long as that run is less than 100 ft: 100 ft cable for $68 [monoprice.com]

delay.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817151)

do these stupid tech writers have any idea how unplayable remote play is? the delay is fairly significant, at least in my testing

Re:delay.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44820035)

Jebus, it's almost 2014. Get a decent fucking router already!

or, you could (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817171)

avoid purchasing any of this electronic junk, turn off your TV, get off the couch, and go for a walk instead of developing type 2 diabetes

PFF more electro trinkets from Sony YUK (2)

deviated_prevert (1146403) | about 10 months ago | (#44817237)

The PS3 is well known for crippled DLNA that does not even accept push as a client, typical Sony crippleware device. So if I take my cell and try to push a pic or a vid to it, it is essentially useless. Sure I can pick up the controller and browse to a DLNA server and then just maybe if the server is written by the Google summer of code guys [ps3mediaserver.org] I just might be able to view my videos and picks but only by browsing to them on the device which sucks big time

Sorry but the crippled DLNA of both the Xbox and the PS3 makes them essentially just what they are toys, not great devices with a future in my living room. Until Microshaft and Sony realize the full potential of these devices and stop crippling what they are easily capable of doing at a software level with DLNA, Samsung smart tvs will keep invading more and more living rooms because they are more capable than these toys! Making users pay another 100 bucks for crippled gimmick screen mirror device like Apple TV is not selling me on Sony products.

Right now I am using a GNU UPNP AV Control Point on my laptop to push to a Samsung while I type this, heck I can even pause and replay or control the TV volume through push DLNA. SONY AND MICROSOFT are missing the boat big time and Samsung is starting to eat their breakfast in the home entertainment field and for good reason!

Re:PFF more electro trinkets from Sony YUK (1)

Zeromous (668365) | about 10 months ago | (#44817685)

So.... You are taking the wait and see approach?

There is very little reason to believe PS4 and Xbone will be shipping with 'crippled' DNLA servers. You have to remember PS3 was one of the first widely available consumer devices to deploy DNLA.

Killer app? yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817363)

This is really chasing into the diminishing returns...

If you're playing a game, on your tv, and someone wants to watch tv, you tell them to fuck off and watch it on their own tv.
If you're playing on their tv, then you save and quit, watch the show with them, if it's any good, and go play again when they're done.

So, now, for a high price, you get a third option, that's not particularly an improvement - you get to play the game on an inferior screen, with an inferior controller, while some asshole watches your tv.

And about the Wii U (2)

MikeRT (947531) | about 10 months ago | (#44817487)

Such a shame that Nintendo didn't learn from how quickly the Wiimote was copied by their competitors that gimmicks can be quickly copied and nullified as competitive advantages. The Wii U is a really nice console, but they just don't have a clue how to take on Sony and Microsoft...

Re:And about the Wii U (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44818049)

That's because the Wii U isn't competing with them, they are selling alongside either the PS4 or XBone. NIntendo exists for casual and first party games. It's the same strategy they used with the Wii.

Re:And about the Wii U (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44818127)

Yes... the amount of profit they have shows how noob they are at these type of wars *Myamoto cynical smile*

Re:And about the Wii U (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44818883)

Sony and Microsoft didn't copy the Wiimote concept with the Move and Kinect until well into the last generation. And that was after years of chanting by Sony and Microsoft, along with the gaming press, that the Wiimote was a fad, doomed to be forgotten by the gaming masses. A fad, that is, right up until the instant they had their own version of the Wiimote ready to go.

Re:And about the Wii U (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 10 months ago | (#44819495)

Such a shame that Nintendo didn't learn from how quickly the Wiimote was copied by their competitors [...]

Uh, you're kinda rewriting history a bit there.

Wii release: November 2006
Kinect release: November 2010
Move release: September 2010

I'd hardly refer to them taking four years to catch up as "quick". That was over halfway through the product cycle, and while the Wiimote shipped with every Wii sold, the Kinect only made it to about 1/3 of 360 owners, while the Move only got picked up by about 1/5 of PS3 owners. And dismissing the Wiimote as a gimmick demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding about the role that Wiimote played in defining the Wii. Were it merely a tack-on feature that could have been removed with nothing lost, then sure, it'd be a gimmick. But with the Wiimote, it was a console-defining feature that shipped with every unit sold. It did serve the same role as a gimmick, in that it grabbed attention for cheap from people who want new and shiny things, but dismissing it merely because it demonstrated that trait would be to ignore the fact that it was much more than a mere gimmick.

[...] and nullified as competitive advantages

Wii: 100M units
360: 78M units (and it came out a year earlier)
PS3: 75M units

By units sold, the Nintendo DS and Wii are, respectively, the #2 and #5 best-selling consoles of all time. Nintendo may not have had the mindshare among gamers (mine has certainly sat unused for months, while my PS3 still gets near-daily use), but they definitely were the ones who "won" the last generation.

I do agree that they are in trouble going forward, but that's not because they can't compete against Sony and Microsoft. It's more because of the threats coming in from outside of the console/handheld gaming industry, such as smartphones and tablets. We're nearing (even past, in some cases) the point where mobile appliances can deliver a "good enough" experience, and if they can stream to a TV (which they can), they'll manage to not only kill off handhelds, but they'll start to negate a lot of purchases for dedicated gaming consoles as well. After all, why would a normal person buy a PS4/One if the Android or iOS device they already own can stream games to their TV that look more or less just as good? People other than hardcore gamers could just buy a Bluetooth controller and use the mobile device + streaming box they already have, rather than having to shell out for an entire console.

That's the real threat they need to compete against (in fact, Iwata famously said a year or two back that Apple is their biggest threat), and is why they're trying (and failing) to differentiate themselves with stuff like their funky Wii U controller.

OUYA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817595)

observers saw it as competition for the Apple TV and Roku, or maybe the Ouya

Why is Ouya even mentioned at all, it's hardly in the same league. Their cube is heavily under powered not to mention the rest of the nightmares that came from it.

Android Gaming the real threat (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 10 months ago | (#44817819)

observers saw it as competition for the Apple TV and Roku, or maybe the Ouya

Why is Ouya even mentioned at all, it's hardly in the same league. Their cube is heavily under powered not to mention the rest of the nightmares that came from it.

Because my local Game store sells the OuYa but not the Roku an Apple TV...and its a Game Console, and FYI I am enjoying mine.

Re:Android Gaming the real threat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44818641)

Seriously dude? http://www.reddit.com/user/tuppe666

it's almost like getting a second PS4 for $100? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44817697)

How is it like getting a second PS4 for $100? The PS4 is single session, meaning that the best this adds is a sense of portability to the PS4. It's comparable to those devices that allowed the user to transmit a VCR output over RF that could be picked-up by other TVs in the house. Great, if only person in the house wants to watch a video.

Gee Beav, can't I have the tv for a while? (1)

Guest316 (3014867) | about 10 months ago | (#44817783)

>'[W]hen you're in the middle of a game and someone wants to watch TV, you can just grab a Vita and keep on playing.

Because we're still living in the '50s where every household has only one tv.

Re:Gee Beav, can't I have the tv for a while? (1)

mrfaithful (1212510) | about 10 months ago | (#44817911)

Because we're still living in the '50s where every household has only one tv.

So many parents force the consoles to be in the main room, because "it's for the family" or "we don't allow the children to have TVs of their own". I consider it a form of child abuse, but it's common.

Re:Gee Beav, can't I have the tv for a while? (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | about 10 months ago | (#44817935)

It's not uncommon for the big TV (and nice sound system) to be in the living room, while in other rooms there would be smaller and cheaper boxes.

Re:Gee Beav, can't I have the tv for a while? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44818879)

My kids have small TVs in their rooms, but they keep the Wii hooked up to the large tv in the living room. I tried moving it upstairs and they basically stopped playing it and started vegging out on the couch... in the living room. I put it back, Mario again.

Everyone likes a 60 inch screen.

How about an actual 2nd Playstation for $100? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44818249)

I remember buying a new second PSX for $100 just because it was so cheap.

Desktops and notebooks have plummeted in price since then, why are consoles getting more and more expensive?

Reminder: Sony is awful (1)

Zaphod-AVA (471116) | about 10 months ago | (#44818387)

Just reminding folks that Sony uses your money to do things you hate. Don't give Sony your money.

Not a killer app at all (1)

coinreturn (617535) | about 10 months ago | (#44818409)

'[W]hen you're in the middle of a game and someone wants to watch TV, you can just grab a Vita and keep on playing.

Who the fuck cares about that? Anybody with enough disposable cash to buy gaming systems likely makes the kids play the damn games on the old TV sitting in the other room. I sure as shit don't let the teenagers play games on my living room TV. To the basement, you snot-nosers!

Re:Not a killer app at all (1)

captjc (453680) | about 10 months ago | (#44820439)

Kids maybe, but what if you are the one playing games and your wife comes in because her show is on. Oh, you could tell her to pound sand, but good luck playing your other favorite "game" anytime soon, if you catch my meaning.

Video gaming isn't just for kids any more.

Killer App...? (1)

KramberryKoncerto (2552046) | about 10 months ago | (#44818807)

For any Playstation 4 household with more than one TV I think the PS Vita TV will become a 'must-have' accessory; it's almost like getting a second PS4 for $100.'"

Can you still call it a killer app if it could only fill the intersection of three niches?

Re:Killer App...? (1)

captjc (453680) | about 10 months ago | (#44820365)

It's almost 2014, I'm pretty sure that people with multiple TVs is not a "niche". I'm fairly certain that there is a major overlap between people with game consoles and people who own multiple televisions. The ability to stream games and probably media from a PS4 to a different TV for only a $100 extra (on a $500 console) is a pretty sweet deal that could swing some on-the-fence sales from the XBone.

I mean think about it, if Wife / Hubby / Roommate / Parents want to watch TV on the big screen downstairs, you can easily take the game / videos to the bedroom TV. Sounds like a pretty good purchase to me for any home with multiple people.

Why not just watch TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44820125)

Why not just use your second TV to watch TV? I don't get it

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