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NSA Shares Intel On Americans With Israel

Soulskill posted 1 year,20 days | from the hits-keep-coming dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The U.K.'s Guardian newspaper is reporting that the NSA shares the raw intel collected on Americans with Israel. From the article: 'Details of the intelligence-sharing agreement are laid out in a memorandum of understanding between the NSA and its Israeli counterpart that shows the U.S. government handed over intercepted communications likely to contain phone calls and emails of American citizens. The agreement places no legally binding limits on the use of the data by the Israelis. ... The deal was reached in principle in March 2009, according to the undated memorandum, which lays out the ground rules for the intelligence sharing. The five-page memorandum, termed an agreement between the U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies "pertaining to the protection of U.S. persons," repeatedly stresses the constitutional rights of Americans to privacy and the need for Israeli intelligence staff to respect these rights. But this is undermined by the disclosure that Israel is allowed to receive "raw Sigint" – signal intelligence. The memorandum says: "Raw Sigint includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists, facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence metadata and content."'

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Legal and NSA (5, Informative)

fustakrakich (1673220) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821735)

are mutually exclusive

Re:Legal and NSA (4, Insightful)

kthreadd (1558445) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821849)

The solution will unfortunately be to fix the legal.

Re:Legal and NSA (5, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821973)

I think it is time to 'clean house' in Washington.

PLEASE....vote out whoevers currently in office, and vote in anyone that will at least make lip service that this type of thing will end.

Personally, I'm less worried about a terrorist attack ending my life, than I am of my govt running roughshod over my privacy and my rights.

The giving it willingly to foreign countries' intelligence agencies is just painful icing on the cake.

Why is there not more of an uproar over this? Are US citizens that scared? Or do they just not give a fuck anymore for the rights that so many have died for over the years to protect for us....?

Re:Legal and NSA (5, Funny)

losfromla (1294594) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822011)

I don't know but did you see the last episode of "Breaking Bad"?

Re:Legal and NSA (4, Insightful)

Gilmoure (18428) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822057)

You can't vote out bureaucrats. They stay in place from administration to administration and really run things.

Re:Legal and NSA (3, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822137)

Nah, we're just mostly trapped in a vicious cycle of debt that forces us to spend most of our time at jobs that treat us like serfs as well as instilling a fear that if we were to speak out and stand up for ourselves, our lives would be ruined by outside forces.

Oh, then there's that whole extraordinary rendition/Gitmo stuff.

Re:Legal and NSA (2)

intermodal (534361) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822199)

It's time to clean house, but there are a handful of clear allies to the American people in Washington. The real solution isn't to vote everyone out, the solution is to hold those in office accountable for their actions in office. Voting out Pelosi, Boehner, Reid, and whatever that guy serving as Senate Minority Leader's name is would be good. Voting out the guys who tried to defund the NSA's surveilance program would be counterproductive.

Re:Legal and NSA (1)

Valdrax (32670) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822239)

PLEASE....vote out whoevers currently in office, and vote in anyone that will at least make lip service that this type of thing will end.

We did in 2008 over excesses of the financial sector and of the war on terror, and lip service is pretty much all we got on both counts.

Re:Legal and NSA (1)

ewibble (1655195) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822251)

Both parties are the same, they are just their to give the appearance you have a choice. At least in china they are honest about it.

There might be independents, but they are massively out advertised by the major parties. The rich don't want to have to buy out 3 parties, it is cheaper just to have 2.

What are the chances of neither a democrat or a republican becoming the next president. Clearly there is only 2 main ways (Ok 1 way with minor differences) of running a country of 311 million could come up with.

Re:Legal and NSA (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822349)

So now the Mossad knows I watch Midget Porn?

Re:Legal and NSA (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822301)

are mutually exclusive

They're barely considered mutually exclusive of each other due to the fact that one has been made irrelevant.

And in the case of the NSA, almost every single privacy law has most certainly been made irrelevant.

And there's not a damn thing you can do about that. Nothing.

Understand that government agencies who operate within classified guidelines do not have to say or do a damn thing that you really want them to do, so I fail to understand how any citizen really thinks they are going to effectively change how our intel community has been operating for decades when they practically have the legal right to lie to you, or will simply refuse to "confirm or deny" any wrongdoing.

In fact, the only thing you can do about it is to do what they did. Make the data collection irrelevant by moving to another private form of electronic communication (good luck finding one you trust), or stop using the technology they're monitoring altogether (which anyone under the age of 30 would take a bullet to the head before giving up electronic communication permanently.)

that's not good. (1)

stewsters (1406737) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821747)

I feel very betrayed.

Re:that's not good. (1)

ackthpt (218170) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821781)

I feel very betrayed.

This message alone means they will not likely be rolling out the red carpet for you in Tel Aviv.

spend your next vacation in scenic lebanon!

Re:that's not good. (2)

spacefight (577141) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821825)

OT: Lebanon is indeed quite scenic - Beirut is still worth a visit after all those years of turmoil.

Re:that's not good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822371)

OT: Lebanon is indeed quite scenic - Beirut is still worth a visit after all those years of turmoil.

Just make sure you don't have an Isreali stamp on your passports kids or your trip may be cut short.

Re:that's not good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822001)

I feel very betrayed.

This message alone means they will not likely be rolling out the red carpet for you in Tel Aviv.

spend your next vacation in scenic lebanon!

Not a problem. Given that I don't have unlimited time & money to travel, that's one of the last places I'd bother to go anyway. There's enough interesting stuff to see in north america to last me a lifetime. Enough in the whole world to last dozens of lifetimes. Most of them are more interesting then Tel Aviv. If any city or country wants to deny my visit, I won't be heartbroken over it. Plenty to do in other places.

Re:that's not good. (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821855)

Not good at all.

Re:that's not good. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821963)

Fuck your anti-Semitism. Jews are as American as you are. Or do you think you would be better off if Hitler had gassed them all?

Re:that's not good. (3, Insightful)

losfromla (1294594) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822035)

what's this got to do with anti-Semitism? Or, is it ok to give intel on American Citizens to other countries as long as the other countries are Israel?

Re:that's not good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822105)

Fuck your anti-Semitism. Jews are as American as you are. Or do you think you would be better off if Hitler had gassed them all?

Obviously you are mentally impaired.

There is a difference between American Jews and the country of
Israel.

Re:that's not good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822261)

Yeah, all Jews are as American, even if they live in a different country, have different citizenships and don't even speak English.

Re:that's not good. (5, Funny)

TWiTfan (2887093) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821975)

If it makes you feel any better, the Israeli government pinky-promised that they wouldn't use it for anything bad. And that's a PINKY promise, mister!

Re:that's not good. (4, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822163)

If it makes you feel any better, the Israeli government pinky-promised that they wouldn't use it for anything bad. And that's a PINKY promise, mister!

Right; I mean, it's not like Mossad has a reputation for being disreputable or anything...

typical (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821761)

say no to zionism

What do you have to hide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821777)

Seriously, Americans? What do you care? What do you have to hide!?
 
It's a complex answer. And what inwardly frustrates many who have not unlocked the question is the basic presumption which exists in the question.
 
I leave this to be discussed.
 
captcha: oppress

Re:What do you have to hide? (4, Insightful)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821859)

it isnt that we have something to hide. the reason we are all upset is that the NSA is spying on people illegally without any repercussions at all. it isnt any of the NSA's damned business what we are doing, and therefore they should not be able to obtain ANY data on ANYONE without a warrant from a judge in a NON SECRET court. there is no such thing as a secret organization that DOESNT abuse their secrecy. as long as the doings of the NSA continue behind closed doors, there will never be any real control over them and they will continue to abuse their power. why should the NSA be able to get away with spying on citizens illegally, but google gets huge fines for just using unsecured networks to transmit data for street view. sure, they are both illegal, but which one is worse, honestly?

Re:What do you have to hide? (2)

Applekid (993327) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821925)

it isnt that we have something to hide. the reason we are all upset is that the NSA is spying on people illegally without any repercussions at all.

Isn't that what our government says every time they propose a new invasive search? "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to hide."

Of course, I suppose that's why it's No Such Agency.

Re:What do you have to hide? (3, Insightful)

kthreadd (1558445) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821867)

The "Americans" didn't make this happen. The American government did. You should ask them.

Re:What do you have to hide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822377)

The "Americans" didn't make this happen. The American government did. You should ask them.

Same diff. The *vast* majority of Americans vote for one of the two parties engaged in this sort of behavior at the national level. All Americans, except those from Maine or Vermont, or who consistently vote for third-party candidates, bear responsibility as citizens. Ultimately, all Americans bear responsibility for the actions of their government.

Re:What do you have to hide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821937)

Not much. Shame is a joke in this day and age. By that token, we assume we have data on Israel already right? Like tit for tat? The lack of THAT is far more disconcerting than personal exposure.

aggrieve?

Re:What do you have to hide? (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822005)

You know I was wondering why, after I posted a pro-Palestinian editorial, I started getting all those magnetic car bombs. I figured it was just the neighborhood kids. But I'm beginning to suspect something more nefarious at work.

Re: What do you have to hide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822149)

It's not a question of "I have something to hide" but one of "I don't know what information about Myself I want hidden" coupled with the fact the spying is often illegal/unconstitutional and collected in such a way as to make Everyone at risk both collectively AND individually.

Re:What do you have to hide? (1)

PPH (736903) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822153)

What do you have to hide!?

Posted AC.

Zionist Occupied Government (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821785)

Poor Americans serving the ZOG.

Re:Zionist Occupied Government (1, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822095)

Yeah. We're pretty much the only nation on the planet that hasn't tried to corral and exterminate them. Must be that we're mere pawns in their global conspiracy.

Re:Zionist Occupied Government (4, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822217)

Yeah. We're pretty much the only nation on the planet that hasn't tried to corral and exterminate them.

That's only believable if A) you live an utterly sheltered life, where the only world history you learn about comes from Liberty University, or B) you're completely bat-shit insane.

Re:Zionist Occupied Government (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822221)

You forgot about Poland (tm).

Re:Zionist Occupied Government (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822337)

Poor Americans serving the ZOG.

You should know better, this place is infested with ZOGlings.

In other words... (4, Interesting)

shaitand (626655) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821793)

This is no different than our methods for torturing suspected terrorists by routing them to nations which are willing to do the dirty work for us. The NSA has determined they can tap all the calls and gather all the data but not search it without a warrant from the secret rubber stamp court. But all the data can (is?) passed to the Isreali's who can query it without even that oversight. Naturally, the NSA can ask them to do it a favor and query said data on their behalf without any warrant.

Re:In other words... (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821927)

It kinda figures... but why pick Israel of all allies? Israel should have plenty of work to do themselves before bothering with NSA lists, and if the story breaks out like it just did, those theorizing that the USA is Israel's pet would have a field day. I'd have asked some Commonwealth country instead.

Re:In other words... (3, Insightful)

Mitreya (579078) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822181)

It kinda figures... but why pick Israel of all allies?

I am guessing it is because there is no evidence (or it has not yet been released) of NSA handing over data to other allies. It is quite likely that everyone who asks nicely will get our data.

Re:In other words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822263)

What? It has already been released that the NSA was working with the UK and Germany directly. Israel is just another stick in the fire at this point.

Spending mod points so posting AC. s.petry

Re:In other words... (2, Informative)

rsborg (111459) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821961)

This is no different than our methods for torturing suspected terrorists by routing them to nations which are willing to do the dirty work for us. The NSA has determined they can tap all the calls and gather all the data but not search it without a warrant from the secret rubber stamp court. But all the data can (is?) passed to the Isreali's who can query it without even that oversight. Naturally, the NSA can ask them to do it a favor and query said data on their behalf without any warrant.

I thought we only did this information sharing (ie, cross-spying) with the UK. Israel makes a lot of sense given the close ties (most of US congress is under the thumb of one of the various lobbying groups and think-tanks that are influential in the Israeli security state as well - e.g.; AEI, AIPAC, Brookings institute, etc) [1].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_States [wikipedia.org]

All I'm gonna say is this .... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822111)

We, the USA, are being attacked because of our "relationship" with Israel.

A relationship that's one sided - I'd might add.

Meaning, Israel gets what she wants and we (the US of A) get dick.

Ask yourself why. Research it.

I know the answer. But even such hints get modded down into oblivion here on Slashdot.

If it really bothers you, research it yourself.

M, kay?

I'm tired of being flamed for facts I find.

Another submission. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821821)

Here is my submission:

NSA is sharing personal data of americans and corporations with Israel [theguardian.com] . The secret deal places no legal limits on the use of data [theguardian.com] and only official US government communications are protected by the expectation of israeli agents removing such data as soon as it's identified. NSA insists that it complies with the rules governing privacy. There is now maybe less wonder that UNIT 8200 is driving the tech boom [theguardian.com] in Israel as they get to handle all the raw intelligence and insider information.

Read the MOA, it's about protecting U.S. Persons (3, Interesting)

ZahrGnosis (66741) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822159)

My reading of this MOA is very different... The MOA is repeatedly clarifying that U.S. Person information is not to be SENT by the NSA (The NSA's Responsibility to ensure it is not in the data is clearly spelled out in the MOA, if it wasn't already explicit elsewhere). It ALSO indicates that IF Israel's ISNU find's U.S. Person data they must report the finding to the NSA and destroy the information.

The MOA does not give any indication when or why raw SIGINT data would be sent to ISNU, and while it is clear that the NSA does share raw intel, it is also clear that there are cases where the raw data is "Minimized" by the NSA to remove U.S. Person information. The MOA does not guarantee ISNU any access to NSA data -- which data we share is obviously going to be controlled by other agreements and laws.

So a) we share intel with Israel ... I'm pretty sure everyone should have assumed this, and b) we have documented safeguards to restrict that data to intel on NON-U.S. Persons. Really, read the memorandum, that's all it does... every page is devoted to protecting data on U.S. Citizens.

How is this a bad thing? This document is obviously showing intent to avoid domestic spying. Good! If you want to argue that the NSA is not following its own guidelines, or failing to protect U.S. data, this is not good evidence of that.

Re:Read the MOA, it's about protecting U.S. Person (1)

Bucc5062 (856482) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822357)

b) we have documented safeguards to restrict that data to intel on NON-U.S. Persons.

Funny thing, we have another set of documented safeguards, I think the fourth would the salient safeguard. Time and time again we've seen documentation showing the NSA has violated that safeguard, so why would I take it on trust that they would follow some internal memorandum. That they share intel with Israel would be understood. What is not acceptable is when there are indications they share more then they are allowed by our own laws which are in place to "protect data on U.S. Citizens".

Marketing the American citizen. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821823)

So this is similar to what companies do with their data on you?

Re: Marketing the American citizen. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822179)

Except companies cannot use that data as an excuse to kill.

Re:Marketing the American citizen. (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822315)

So this is similar to what companies do with their data on you?

Similar, with the exception that companies like Google don't have the power or authority to take away my freedom, either through incarceration or violence.

thats ok (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821829)

Just think of Israel is the 51st state. Most of the world does that anyway.

Re:thats ok (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821919)

You have it backwards. The US Capitol is moving out of London to Jerusalem.

Re:thats ok (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822053)

Yeah, except none of the *other* 51 states get to tell the rest what to do. Who do you think is egging on this whole "We MUST strike Syria!" mess? It sure as shit isn't the American People.

Re:thats ok (1)

Pseudonym Authority (1591027) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822305)

Maybe that would be better. As it is, Israel offers absolutely nothing to this ``alliance'' other than a dumping ground for money that we apparently don't need and technology that needs to be sold to China. No one asks what, say, Alabama brings to the Union; they simply are. If we annex Israel then we'll actually have a reason to care about them.

Re:thats ok (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822341)

Just think of Israel as the 4th branch of government.

FTFY.

I'll get added to their list! (-1, Flamebait)

Agent0013 (828350) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821831)

So if I post things like "The world would have been better off had Hitler finished what he started" I guess I will get onto their list. Not that I even want to go to that shit hole anyway. But I guess it's like the child that get's abused, when they grow up they often become abusers themselves.

Re:I'll get added to their list! (2)

DarkOx (621550) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822031)

I don't share your sentiment but along those lines; if I were given a time machine set to take me back to 1939, and one bullet. I'd use the bullet on Allen Dulles not Adolf Hitler.

Re:I'll get added to their list! (1)

jedidiah (1196) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822123)

If you think that going back to 1939 would help, you are simply ignorant of the relevant history.

Re:I'll get added to their list! (0)

Agent0013 (828350) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822157)

I would agree with Allen Dulles being a good target. And my vitriol is really just an angry outburst. I have no problem with the people. I do have a problem with the State and their government. I also have a huge problem with the American support of everything that Israel does no matter how blatantly cruel, illegal, or evil. I cannot fathom why we are in bed so closely with them. Although when you think about how evil we have become I guess we are actually pretty good bedfellows. The next world war will find that America and Israel, along with who knows what other countries has taken on the role of the Axis, and the Allies (good guys) will be someone else. Probably Germany just to go for the full roll reversal!

General Petraeus (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821841)

Made comments critical of Israel, next thing you know his Gmail documenting a fling with what's-her-name is brought out. Coincidence? I think not!

I wonder why nobody don' like me ..... (1)

ErnyCowan (1687642) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821845)

And do they also share corresponding information with the Egyptian, Jordanian, Saudi or Lebanese government agencies?

How close is this to treason? (5, Insightful)

AtariEric (571910) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821847)

The NSA is *spying* on us, and aiding a foreign country with the data. Seriously, what separates this from treason? The fact that they're not betraying the government, just the people?

Re:How close is this to treason? (4, Insightful)

stox (131684) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821921)

It is only treason when someone who is not in power does it.

Re:How close is this to treason? (1, Insightful)

Bartles (1198017) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822065)

No, it's only treason when Bush, or some other generic Republican does it.

Re:How close is this to treason? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822307)

If you really understood the world you would know that there has been no such thing in US politics as Democrat or Republican since the 60s. Shitbags that have been put on ballots are all from the same team, and it's not your team or America's team.

I'll suggest you start with this [amazon.com] , but there are numerous other references. When done reading, pass the book to a friend for their enlightenment. The book is free for many e-readers so you have no excuse not to read it.

Re:How close is this to treason? (5, Informative)

_Ludwig (86077) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821933)

Jonathan Pollard got life in prison for passing classified data to Israel.

Re:How close is this to treason? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822379)

Well, his crime was passing classified military secrets to Israel, not US government sanctioned raw data on American citizens not working for the government.

Re:How close is this to treason? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821939)

They are also spying on local business and giving the insider information to foreign intelligence agencies. Why do you think the israeli military intelligence unit [theguardian.com] is driving the israeli tech boom?

Re:How close is this to treason? (1)

lgw (121541) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822013)

Just two months ago I would have dismissed this as whackjob conspiracy theory. BUt my trust has been uttery destroyed.

Defund the NSA. Fire everyone, sell the buildings off, make an end of it. If the congress won't act, maybe a constitutional amendment? Would the courts act? Are there any checks and balances left?

Re:How close is this to treason? (2, Insightful)

dgatwood (11270) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821983)

Seriously, what separates this from treason?

We are not at war against Isreal.

Unethical, yes. Unconstitutional, probably. Heinous, certainly. Treason, no.

Re:How close is this to treason? (4, Informative)

sconeu (64226) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822161)

Jonathan Pollard [wikipedia.org] says hello.

It is treason (5, Insightful)

Phoenix666 (184391) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821999)

What the NSA, White House, Congress, and Judiciary (ie. FISA courts) are doing is un-Constitutional, meaning you can't get more illegal and deserving of maximum penalty than that. Murder is terrible and wrong, but it does not rise to the level of undermining the basis for our very society and the social contract that binds people to government and vice versa. With murder, one person dies; with undermining our system of government you get chaos, civil war, deprivation, demise of the rule of law, and masses of men, women, and children dying. Which is worse?

So what we're looking at right now, folks, and I mean all of us on the political Right and Left, is an entire government that has colluded to violate the Constitution, that is, the social contract that separates our country and society from Malthusian consequences. There can be no penalty harsh enough to punish them for what they have done. If we do not, as a People, levy that punishment on them now, immediately, then we deserve the misery of the slavery that meek acquiescence consigns us to.

Scary as hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821861)

So we're giving the unfiltered take to a country known to run intelligence operations against the US? Do you really think the Isrealis are not going to use this to put together dossiers on every major leader in America? For that matter, what's to stop the US from getting info under Prism, that then gets passed on to Isreal with the Isrealis then passing it on to regional government opposed to the Arab Spring? So basically, Google is helping get Democratic activists shot. Way to not be evil guys.,

Big deal (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821869)

They made them pinky promise not to abuse that info. NO ONE breaks a pinky promise.

Excellent news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821897)

Sadly, it will not appear in any news outlet whatsoever.

If it appears in one, it will be surrounded by articles of snooki, why all arabs are evil, remembering the holocaust and the weekly column on why YOU are to blame for it.

Ahh, yes.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821907)

Yes, the "Do it for us, please, because we are not allowed to!". Works with torture and people have speculated that intelligence services also buy fingerprints from foreign countries that require them to be taken from visitors. Why it wouldn't work with spying your own people as well? All legal, all good.

ISA (0)

guazzelli (2317586) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821913)

Israel States of America

Good scoop (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821915)

Good for the Israelis. They must be doing something right.

"rights of Americans to privacy" . . . ? (4, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | 1 year,20 days | (#44821959)

"Right" . . . ? It's more like a "notion" now.

sounds like it negates their mandate (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44821977)

sounds pretty treasonous, should they be banned from doing this, or just banned?

Telex? (1)

aviators99 (895782) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822021)

How much negotiating did Israel have to do to get our Telexes included in this?

pretty hypercritical, ain't it... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822027)

...considering the US was blocking CheckPoint (an Israeli company) from acquiring SourceFire back in 2005--ostensibly for national security reasons.

gists? (1)

Chacharoo (977107) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822043)

They're sharing gists? What's a gist?

Re:gists? (1)

ZahrGnosis (66741) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822253)

Basically it's a synonym for "summary", meaning that a conversation or communication is summarized by someone (in this case likely the intelligence agencies) and this summary is called the gist.

The term gets used occasionally in conversation, as in: "Did you get the gist of his long, rambling speech?", or "I'm in a hurry, just tell me the gist of the story."

Let's pick on Israel (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822059)

Israel is only one of a handful of countries (australia, new zealand, canada, and the uk) that receive this information. Makes you wonder why the article chooses to focus on Israel and ignore those other countries...

Re:Let's pick on Israel (2)

aviators99 (895782) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822091)

That's not what it says. It says that we have agreements to protect the privacy of those other countries. It doesn't say anything about sharing information with them

Re:Let's pick on Israel (4, Insightful)

Pseudonym Authority (1591027) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822351)

None of those other countries suck us dry, make us look bad on the world stage for backing them, or have a huge lobby to influence our government.

Gen. Alexander, fellow Syracusan: (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822071)

You're from the SAME hometown as myself, only minutes apart, but you are disappointing me man... wtf!

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NSA analysts 'wilfully violated' surveillance systems, agency admits:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/24/nsa-analysts-abused-surveillance-systems [theguardian.com]

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* THAT was what "took the cake" for me, finally!

Sir, you MAY be out to do "the right thing" & oddly enough? I suspect you are that kind of person - I honestly do!

HOWEVER: Imo @ least - You're INCORRECTLY 'projecting' YOUR VALUES onto those in your peers, AND subordinates - assuming they too are like you claim to be! THAT is where you are going wrong!

(That is NOT going to "hold true" in all cases - heck, I suspect honestly not in many of them!)

APK

P.S.=> I've been saying this to all the folks here since day #1 when this mess came out, even to my representatives in gov't. via the ACLU: "Absolute Power, Corrupts Absolutely" & THAT is the "big flaw" in what you've created! That article link above only proved it all the more, for me (wish I was wrong).

The more I see of this shit, the more ill I become, this especially - I mean, wtf do Jews in Israel have to have ANYTHING from us internally, about US (U.S. Citizenry) for? apk

Welcome to america... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822085)

CNN: "The NSA is snooping on billions of innocent foreigners..."

Public: Meh. It's for the war agains TEEEEEEEEERRRRRORISTS.

CNN "... and accidentally on some red blooded american cititzens..."

Public: WAHHHHHHHHHHH?????? SCANDAL, BROTHERS, TO THE ARMS!!!!

sharing both ways is a fair deal. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822087)

My country shares almost every bit of digital data with the USA, and in return we get absolutely nothing.
Maybe our prime minister gets a "I talked with Obama" t-shirt for "negotiating" this wonderful deal. (He probably would sell us out for a picture of him shaking hands with Obama.)

Once again we see who actually runs our country (-1, Troll)

fredrated (639554) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822101)

They want us to bomb Syria. They want us to bomb Iran. We will probably bomb both because for some unexplained reason, we take our marching orders from Israel.

Re:Once again we see who actually runs our country (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822213)

Doy, Syria is another goddamn proxy war between powers, just as Vietnam was.

I predict we'll either be at war with Iran in a year or otherwise mired in someone else's civil war AGAIN.

At least in the 60s you had "domino theory" and the evils of communism, the bogeyman being trotted out this time is chemical weapon use HAH

Because they probably know some dirty secrets of.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822223)

... every member of congress. And they got them maybe directly from the NSA data.

Karma (3, Funny)

gmuslera (3436) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822131)

Somewhat everyone in US tought that the wrong thing was the NSA could be watching their private phone calls and mails, while it was ok that fully spied in everyone else in the world. Now it should be ok that Israel can access all information from US people and companies, if they don't spy on their own citizens they wouldn't be breaking theirr laws.

2009=Obama's Watch (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822191)

So once again, Obama is measurably worse in respecting the constitutional rights of Americans than Bush43 ever was.

To see who rules over you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822233)

simply find you who cannot criticize.

Well, at least the NSA can atone for it soon (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822255)

Yom Kippur is coming up.

Meanwhile ... (3, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | 1 year,20 days | (#44822257)

... Jonathan Pollard is sitting in his cell saying, "Guys? WTF?!"

Checks and balances (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822297)

There are some people who subscribes to this opinion that we can effect change by voting. Considering the circumstances - please explain how we can vote so this does not happen...or perhaps we all voted for it?

Careful (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,20 days | (#44822321)

The NSA is forwarding details of this thread to the JIDF [wikipedia.org] .

How do you say "-1 Troll" in Hebrew?

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