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Student Arrested For Using Phone App To 'Shoot' Classmates

Soulskill posted about 7 months ago | from the probably-time-to-shut-down-that-old-quake-server dept.

Crime 706

New submitter Lord_Breetai sends word that a Louisiana high school student has been arrested for using a mobile app to simulate shooting his classmates. The app overlays an FPS-style gun and UI over a real background seen through the device's camera. The student tried it out and then unwisely posted a video of it on YouTube. Another student's parent saw the video and reported it to authorities. Major Wolfe of the local police said, "You can't ignore it. We don't know at what time that game becomes reality. He said it was a result of him being frustrated and tired of being bullied. He said that he had no intentions of hurting anybody. We have to take all threats seriously and we have no way of knowing that without investigating and getting to the bottom of it. With all the school shooting we've had in the United States, it's just not a very good game to be playing at this time." The boy is now facing criminal charges for terrorizing and interference of the operation of a school.

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Really? (5, Funny)

nospam007 (722110) | about 7 months ago | (#44848213)

If they'd discovered his Whip-App, he would have been accused of racism too.
Not to mention the beer app, since he's under 21.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

ZosX (517789) | about 7 months ago | (#44848227)

This is fucking unreal. Thought crime to the fucking max man.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

gagol (583737) | about 7 months ago | (#44848231)

This generation will be so fucked up, its not even funny anymore.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

ZosX (517789) | about 7 months ago | (#44848265)

when I was a kid nobody would have thought twice about this. now this kid is in jail. he's the one that was bullied. i was bullied a lot in grade school, so I fully understand his frustrations and anger. next the "crushing his head" skit will be banned. our future is fucking fucked.

Re:Really? (0, Troll)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 7 months ago | (#44848347)

When you were a kid the press hadn't sensationalized all the murder sprees at school.

Although I think there were significantly less of these back in the day.

Hard to say in this case, we could just go "FREEDOM!" and complain the kid is being punished. It is an odd thing to do though. Can you imagine the repercussions for the staff if he showed up with an actual gun one day and they had done nothing? I have no love for teachers and administrative staff (they're boring leeches on society) but they would be fired if not brought up on charges.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848503)

Hard to say in this case, we could just go "FREEDOM!" and complain the kid is being punished. It is an odd thing to do though. Can you imagine the repercussions for the staff if he showed up with an actual gun one day and they had done nothing? I have no love for teachers and administrative staff (they're boring leeches on society) but they would be fired if not brought up on charges.

Yes! We should punish children for having an imagination that does not conform to the acceptably Politically Correct norm! If teachers discover such a Politically Incorrect imagination exists and they do not report the child for reprogramming then the teacher should be punished severely! After they make the standardized Politically Correct apology sans visible bruises and contusions of course.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848539)

If you punish and take away people's means of non-violent stress relief, do not be surprised when they snap and resort to violent means.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

ZosX (517789) | about 7 months ago | (#44848273)

and let me add....he's 15. a minor. charges? wtf is this country coming to that even kids are now criminals?! WTF AMERICA??

Re:Really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848551)

arrested is a little far.. but the idiot should be expelled from school.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848625)

Geheime Staatspolizei

Will be?? (2, Interesting)

pablo_max (626328) | about 7 months ago | (#44848437)

Seriously, what do you mean will be? They are fucked up. This, and the last generation have such an unbelievable sense of entitlement it is shocking.
I am sure some of you have had the misfortune to interview some of today recent grads for a position. Most seem to expect 6 figures and to run the company in 2 years regardless of the fact that they have no useable skills or problem solving ability.
There is a reason why there is so much pressure to increase the foreign work visas.
When I was last working in the US, our company hired mainly engineer from Germany. We paid them more than they could get in Germany and they were happy for it. Our recent grad American applicants were asking for nearly 50% more.

Re:Will be?? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848569)

Corrupt government devalues currency, causes housing bubble and price increases for everything, but it's "entitlement" to ask for a living wage.. Yes, of course oh corporate master. Please let me eat the scraps you let fall from your silver platter.

Re:Really? (0)

SINternet (1194899) | about 7 months ago | (#44848329)

On your use of "Thought Crime". Did the student go beyond keeping it in his head? I do agree this has gone too far. Get rid of everything Electronic and we will get back our sense of selves.

Re:Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848287)

Makes you wonder when they going to start on those using paintball guns? Wouldn't those messed up in the head folks that are freaking out over such as that, drawings of guns etc really been frightened by images of kids having "Western Day" at school running around with holsters on their sides and cap guns in their hands having mock battles with every other kid they see? School wide fast draw competitions etc? Those modern frightened by their own shadow idiots need to get off my lawn!

Re:Really? (5, Interesting)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about 7 months ago | (#44848361)

The root of the problem is that crime rates have fallen dramatically over the last two decades, while the number of police officers has not. The cops don't have enough real crime to deal with, so they fill the vacuum with make believe crime instead. The solution is to either reduce the number of police, or to refocus them on community policing and crime reduction rather than "making arrests".

Re:Really? (5, Informative)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about 7 months ago | (#44848419)

So has the rate of violent crime in schools:

http://curry.virginia.edu/research/projects/violence-in-schools/school-violence-myths [virginia.edu]

Re:Really? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 7 months ago | (#44848461)

Hooray! Zero tolerance works! ;-)

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

sycodon (149926) | about 7 months ago | (#44848519)

Zero Tolerance: A regulatory philosophy that administrators hide behind to avoid having to make decisions and subsequently defend those decisions.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848603)

Except the charts show violence declining in the 90's, before all of this "zero-tolerance" idiocy was rampant.

Re:Really? (3, Interesting)

mysidia (191772) | about 7 months ago | (#44848563)

The solution is to either reduce the number of police, or to refocus them on community policing and crime reduction rather than "making arrests".

Of course... I would suggest concentrating the surplus officers in the higher crime areas, and have a higher density of patrols in those areas, wherever those happen to be statistically speaking; and promoting community policing.

Also.... some of those officers could be reassigned from policing the streets to Internal policing; that is monitoring their colleagues for possible wrongdoing; or standing by to assist colleagues, BUT doing other useful work for the people in the meantime --- other useful work such as gathering field data on the streets for research or government planning purposes; outreach programs -- just being present somewhere in uniform or with their car to be "visible" as a friendly reminder to the public to follow the law; in various places, such as around or visiting bars; not to make arrests, but to go around reminding potential patrons about the law; just either through friendly conversation, or by standing about in a place visible to as many people as possible.

They can also put surplus officers on a task of using their brain to think outside the box, and investigate the possible existence of more complicated criminal schemes; such as the fraud involved in Banks misstating the value of their mortgage bonds and credit default swaps leading up to the housing crisis.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

hodet (620484) | about 7 months ago | (#44848475)

Ya lets not help the kid socially integrate into his surroundings. Press criminal charges for his thoughts. They should be grateful they got an actual clue to a problem rather then trying to suppress his attempts to deal with his situation and make his day more bearable.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848511)

So everyone carrying and iPhone with this app on it can be arrested for carrying a concealed weapon unless they have a concealed carry permit?

Re:Really? (1)

Drethon (1445051) | about 7 months ago | (#44848531)

I'm surprised they didn't arrest the 3 and 8 year old kids across the street pointing plastic guns at cars that went by...

what is happening to this country (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848223)

Zero tolerance, complete risk avoidance, and neopuritanism while half the country cares more about what happens after you die than the encroaching totalitarianism.

Re:what is happening to this country (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848277)

I fondly remember playing Assassin when I was in school. God, but classes were so terribly boring, we'd do anything for a little entertainment. Assassin was a blast - "kill" your target, usually with an airsoft gun, and avoid getting killed in the masses between classes.

So sad that the adults in the room have completely lost the ability to distinguish between fantasy and reality.

Re:what is happening to this country (3, Insightful)

Goglu (774689) | about 7 months ago | (#44848343)

What is sad is that ***WE*** (my generation, in their 40s, who used to play Assassin) have lost this ability. What became of us???

And I have the solution. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848467)

He said it was a result of him being frustrated and tired of being bullied.

Sue the school district. That's how you shut a bureaucrat up - lawsuits. Because HIS boss will be scared shitless of HIS job. And his boss more than likely reports to a politician.

Kids, that IS how to deal with it. Don't suck it up. Don't get violent. Becuase sucking it up or getting violent just hurts you and allows the bullies to get away with it. (And for all of you who think that bullying made yo a better person, you are full of shit: you either weren't truly bullied, you are in denial or you had some incredible support from friends and family at the time (you were around Saints!) I was told that is was part of growing up and to suck it up - very bad mistake.

Get a lawyer and go to college for FREE and have money left over for a nice house - all paid for by taxes of the bullies parents and everyone else. After all, bullying IS a society problem and what better way to get back at society than lawsuits against what ends up being the taxpayer.

Vengence is green backed up by a court order and sheriff's deputies!

Re:what is happening to this country (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848473)

No they don't. They REALLY don't. You have NO concept of the demise of religion in the USA. The few whackos who are left are picked up by the MSM and forced upon the masses as being "Christianity" or being "Islam."
 
Nine tenths of the country cares about who won about tonight's singing "contest" while the Executives try to force the USA into another war.
 
Amen.

Re:what is happening to this country (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848611)

The English are at fault. They shipped the puritans off to America and the criminals to Australia. The Australians are still thanking God on their knees each day for that choice.

Oh good (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848225)

He said it was a result of him being frustrated and tired of being bullied.

and what a better way to deal with this than let the police and justice system bully him instead

Re:Oh good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848327)

My thoughts exactly.

You can't ignore it. We don't know at what time that game becomes reality. He said it was a result of him being frustrated and tired of being bullied. He said that he had no intentions of hurting anybody. We have to take all threats seriously and we have no way of knowing that without investigating and getting to the bottom of it.

Ok, fine, I get that. You have to investigate it. That's not a problem.

The problem is the criminal charges. All that does is tell others that they should not harmlessly lash out. They should keep things bottled up until they violently erupt.

YADOUS (1)

hebertrich (472331) | about 7 months ago | (#44848237)

Yet another display of unbeleivable stupidity. Though tasteless the app be , it's still a stupid game and frankly .. haven't we all something better to do than waste time on this total waste of time article ? Cops and school are bunch of idiots and so is the guy holding the cam .. moving right along folks :D

Re:YADOUS (4, Insightful)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 7 months ago | (#44848357)

Your post is also an unbelievable display of stupidity. Your solution to what is clearly now a pervasive problem in this country is to ignore it and "move along." Seriously? Sure, there is a lot of idiocy in this whole scenario, but when idiocy results in the harmless posting of a video on youtube that is one thing. The idiocy of arresting the kid is quite another. The first was a commission of error by a high school student and nobody lost their freedom. The second is an actual crime. A grown man in a position of authority has used that authority to take away the freedom of a youth to cover his own ass and appear "tough on crime." I fully intended to post contact information to this idiot so that we all could send him a note telling him what a criminal he truly is, but The Terrebone Parish Website [tpso.net] (administration info in link, presumably) is down at the moment, so at least not everyone is irresponsible enough to see this and shrug it off with an air of irresponsibility.

Re:YADOUS (5, Insightful)

Zumbs (1241138) | about 7 months ago | (#44848509)

I think this article is a telling display of a society moving in the wrong direction. A boy was being bullied and his cry for help (the video) has now lead to his arrest, putting him in an even worse situation. In a sane society, it would have lead to him getting help to tackle the bullying and get on with his life.

We should make this app illegal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848239)

I wonder how many kids have been tragically murdered by phone apps.

So sad, we should make phones and apps illegal.

I've heard enough! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848241)

Send this terrorist to Guantanamo.

What... (5, Insightful)

Ruzgfpegk (878778) | about 7 months ago | (#44848243)

So they don't think it's a problem if he's bullied, but if he plays a game where he does something about it (because no one else will ever do anything) he becomes the bad guy? And they still wonder why they have school shootings?

Re:What... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848283)

This is America - if you don't fit in there is something wrong with you.

Re:What... (3, Insightful)

boarder8925 (714555) | about 7 months ago | (#44848575)

Look at it as a life lesson: They don't want kids growing up to stand up to the bullies they'll face in adult life, so they don't let them do it as kids.

SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (5, Insightful)

lesincompetent (2836253) | about 7 months ago | (#44848247)

We have to take all threats seriously [...]

Of course you have to but no, an app is not a threat.

Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (1)

imnotanumber (1712006) | about 7 months ago | (#44848353)

We have to take all threats seriously [...]

Of course you have to but no, an app is not a threat.

Of course not. I think that what got him in trouble was "... unwisely posted a video of it on YouTube".

The video alone, without the app, could be seen as a threat.

Of course, after some some clarification, things should not have escalated as they did.

Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848525)

Do not threat, do, young Padawan. There is no threat.

Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (2)

hodet (620484) | about 7 months ago | (#44848527)

Ya, they must take it seriously, the kid should be down at the firing range with an AK47 taking it out on a target with a human silhouette.

Idiots (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 7 months ago | (#44848249)

With all the school shooting we've had in the United States, it's just not a very good game to be playing at this time

Yeah, except that the app itself tells the users "not to use real guns in the real world". I think it's actually a pretty good thing to play with at this time, lest the people forget.

Guns are bad (3, Insightful)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 7 months ago | (#44848251)

Stop with the stupid "right to bear arms" crap and stuff like this will not bother anyone. It's just a game on a display.

And I'd say that 99% of the school shootings are due to people being harassed and bullied by groups, so teaching kids to be better persons and tolerate others would do a much better job than trying to catch oppressed people in the last stage of "I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to do to get out of this situation anymore".

Re:Guns are bad (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848285)

Stop with the stupid "right to bear arms" crap and stuff like this will not bother anyone.

Actually in every culture that has banned guns this is the last stage of collapse before anarchy. Unless we reverse our attempts to ban guns then the next step after this is we will start seeing things like soldiers hacked to death in the streets by terrorists while the police just stand around watching.

Re:Guns are bad (0, Troll)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 7 months ago | (#44848391)

"Stop with the stupid "right to bear arms" crap and stuff like this will not bother anyone. It's just a game on a display."

Sure. Why not join the party. We can stop with the stupid "freedom of speech" stuff, the stupid "right against unreasonable search and seizure", and while we are at it the stupid "pursuit of happiness" crap. You can stop bucking for Supreme Court Justice now; unfortunately there are no openings at the moment.

Re:Guns are bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848405)

yeah, it's just a game like you said.

When I used to play Quake 2 online (Action Quake mod) the teams were usually geeks vs. bullies, we'd use custom skins with photos of the school bullies for one team, and our own faces for the other.

Some of those matches were recorded too.

How many people were killed as a result? None.

Solidarity (5, Insightful)

hammeraxe (1635169) | about 7 months ago | (#44848255)

I think all his classmates should download the app, make similar videos and upload them to youtube just to show how ridiculous this is. They can't arrest them all.
The guy is facing CRIMINAL CHARGES for fucks sake!

Re:Solidarity (4, Insightful)

silas_moeckel (234313) | about 7 months ago | (#44848379)

The only people that should be facing criminal charges are the school admins and police that were involved. The kid is 15. What moron make an interfering with a school a criminal law??? It's the inmates responsibility to attempt escape, POW 101 :)

Re:Solidarity (1)

Morpf (2683099) | about 7 months ago | (#44848393)

I wont bet on the "They can't arrest them all." part. Sadly everything seems possible. Now the harassed student is even bullied by the state instead of the bullies being taken care of. If you ask me this seems a) totally insane and b) like a perfect way to force someone even more into a corner, leading to potentially even bigger problems.

tl;dr;
I am disgusted by this society punishing the victim.

Re:Solidarity (1)

Spiked_Three (626260) | about 7 months ago | (#44848515)

yeah, they can arrest him, that is obvious.The law still allows stupid people to do stupid things, like make arrests for ridiculous reasons.

but in most cases (but not all) you are still entitled to a trial by your peers, for the exact reason of preventing stupidness from becoming final.

go to trial, with a jury, and tell the panzy ass teachers, administration, and poor excuse for a parent on the other side to lick your balls (metaphorically). If they then find you guilty, you will then realize you are living in a country where jail is the better place

Bicycle helmet laws anyone? As far as I am concerned we overprotect already, and as much as I would like to claim that I switched from republican to democrat, stuff like this keeps me from committing to the party of overbearing regulation.

Re:Solidarity (1)

richlv (778496) | about 7 months ago | (#44848613)

heh. announce this one and let's see how many of his classmates are tough enough to try this ;)

"We have to take all threats seriously" (5, Insightful)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 7 months ago | (#44848261)

No you don't. You should use your brain first.

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (0)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 7 months ago | (#44848303)

And if that kid ending up shooting the other one, and it turned out the police knew of this incident and didn't even investigate, that'd fine, right? No one would get upset at the police not doing their job and investigating a possible threat?

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (4, Informative)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 7 months ago | (#44848363)

Except there was no incident. No one was harmed and there was no intention to harm. He was playing an augmented reality game, that was all.

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848365)

Sure, investigate. How long could that take, a couple of hours? Why the fuck was the kid arrested?

Seriously, the cunt that reported the kid should be arrested for filing a false police report.

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (1)

jesseck (942036) | about 7 months ago | (#44848559)

The parent that reported the kid is probably the parent of one of the bullies... so their child's safety was at stake. Nothing like a parent showing their kid another way to permanently fuck a life up.

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848397)

That hypothetical event completely justifies ruining some kid's life, thanks for pointing it out.

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848409)

Can you please explain what the police is meant to investigate? Or by "investigate" you mean "please lock him in a cell and throw the keys because he is scary"?

Mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848501)

None of the "brainless fuckers" posts consider that when a mass school shooting does occur, the first question that everyone asks, after the casualty lists and shooter's identity and background are published, is:

How did this happen? Didn't the authorities have any warnings about this kid?

And if the answer to the second question was 'yes', you wouldn't to be one of the said authorities who had that information and did little except to file it away and express concerns to others in private. And it's not just the legal or publicity repercussions. You'd feel like you had the blood of many kids partly on your hands because you were part of the problem for not acting as a responsible adult.

That's where the mayor and police are coming from. Not saying they're right, but you have to respect their side of the argument and respond to those, not just call them stupid for confusing a video game with guns. What should be done with the kid who was using the app?

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (1)

TrekkieGod (627867) | about 7 months ago | (#44848513)

And if that kid ending up shooting the other one, and it turned out the police knew of this incident and didn't even investigate, that'd fine, right?

They did more than investigate, they arrested him. I'm not sure what the charges could possibly be.

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (1)

pablo_max (626328) | about 7 months ago | (#44848373)

look at it from the police perspective. What if they do nothing. What if next year this kid really does do something? Who do you think will get the blame? The police will. So, they act, even though they know it is complete nonsense. Because they know that if this kid does anything down the line, they will be a scape goat for ignoring the obvious "warning signs".
Crap I know, but that is how it could go down.

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (1)

0111 1110 (518466) | about 7 months ago | (#44848399)

By that same reasoning I guess they had better arrest everyone who plays violent video games. It's the only way to be sure.

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (1)

sharklasers (3047537) | about 7 months ago | (#44848619)

Some day that might just happen - I wouldn't be surprised if violent video games are eventually outlawed as a last resort to dealing with school shootings.

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (3, Informative)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 7 months ago | (#44848451)

look at it from the police perspective. What if they do nothing. What if next year this kid really does do something? Who do you think will get the blame? The police will. So, they act, even though they know it is complete nonsense. Because they know that if this kid does anything down the line, they will be a scape goat for ignoring the obvious "warning signs".
Crap I know, but that is how it could go down.

They should arrest him if he actually does something illegal. You don't arrest people because of "warning signs."

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (0)

roman_mir (125474) | about 7 months ago | (#44848427)

English dictionary for USA should be amended with the new definition of the word 'seriously' to mean: irrationally, hysterically and with maximum use of government violence.

Re:"We have to take all threats seriously" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848535)

No you don't. You should use your brain first.

Suppose, for a moment, that the police care about their own future first, and the future of the kid they're arresting or the community at large second (if at all). Then it kinda looks like they are using their brains.

They don't know whether the kid is actually going to shoot up the school in a couple years.
* Suppose they don't arrest him now, and he goes on to shoot up the school; when the media digs into it, they'll see that the cops saw "clear evidence" that he was going to shoot up the school, and they'll go into their favorite narrative about these things -- how somebody "missed the signs" that they should have seen.
* Suppose they do arrest him now, and he goes on to shoot up the school; when the media digs into it, they'll see that the cops made the right call a couple years ago, and pass by looking for someone else who "missed the signs".
* Suppose they don't arrest him now, and he doesn't shoot up the school; big deal, nothing happens.
* Suppose they do arrest him now, and he doesn't shoot up the school; big deal, nothing happens except a few people on the internet whining about jackboots and reason in defiance of all "common sense".

What would you do? Gamble on being the scapegoat for the next media hysteria? or put up with a tiny minority's criticism that the general public will never agree with, because they're too busy panicking and calling it "common sense"? It may not be the most moral choice, but it sure looks like he's using his brain.

We see this over and over again; from "nobody ever got fired for choosing IBM" to the ludicrous number of people in the Middle East who, when handed a bird with a leg-band and told "we found this, and we think it's an Israeli spy-bird", pass it up the line (in some cases all the way to the capital), instead of saying "it's a leg-band for tracking migration, you fools" and letting it go. If there's even the slightest risk that some future revelation will turn "the most reasonable choice" (at the time) into "a colossal screw-up anyone could have avoided" and possibly even cost you your job, the bureaucrat always chooses the safe option. IMO this is a huge structural problem of career employment in government -- we'd get along a lot better if almost all government positions were filled by random draft from the population, for a term of 2 or 3 years (perhaps right after college or between high school and college), the way some nations do their military, so that people would at least have the chance to do their job for the public good without having to fear for their future employment.

App to simulate arresting him? (5, Funny)

linebackn (131821) | about 7 months ago | (#44848289)

Isn't there an app so simulate arresting him? That sounds like it would have been more appropriate.

Knee jerk reaction (2)

mgandalf (38247) | about 7 months ago | (#44848291)

It's a damned shame his life has to be ruined for something so stupid. Scare him, maybe. Charge him, definitely not.

Ban the app (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848305)

A law banning an app that allows rendering of real people for FPS should be held Constitutional under the "clear and present danger" exception to free speech (shouting "Fire!", civilians wearing police uniforms, etc).

As for this case, the kid should've been suspended for a few days and his name turned over to law enforcement watch lists. Not sent to prison.

"We have to take all threats seriously" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848309)

Then start with the bullies.

False-positives + rare event = innumerate panic (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848311)

"With all the school shooting we've had in the United States" pretty much sums it up.

Suppose, if you will, that (given this game's availability) 99% of those who will eventually shoot up their school would play it.
Suppose, further, that 99% of those who will not shoot up their school would not play it.

Now if you're a typical school official, you'll read the above and "know" that seeing one of your students playing this game is a very clear indicator that person will, if not stopped, shoot up your school in the future.

If, OTOH, you're someone who's competent at probability and statistics, you'll consider that, as school shooters are far, far less than 1% of students, that the vast majority of students playing this game won't shoot up the school.

(Of course, that leaves aside the silly notion of criminal charges because we suspect you'll commit a school shooting in the future. Not only are the charges themselves unjustifiable, but the pragmatics of "Oh, here's a student who's so bullied and alienated that he's about to shoot up the school -- let's arrest him; when he comes back, I'm sure he'll be calmed down and will fit right in!" are mind-boggling.)

Unsure of reality? (5, Interesting)

KeensMustard (655606) | about 7 months ago | (#44848333)

Are you an officer of the LAW?

Are you unable to discern when computer games have become reality?

Here's some helpful signs for our boys in blue:

Scenario 1: It's quite dark, there are men wearing suits with bright flouro stripes. Jeff Bridges is there. COMPUTER GAME HAS BECOME REALITY.

Scenario 2: You like to play starfighter. You have just beaten the high score, and a man in a hat is inviting you to go for a ride in his car that can fly. YOUR GAME IS ABOUT TO BECOME REALITY.

Scenario 3: You are hacked into a computer. Is it calling itself joshua? Is it seemingly reluctant to play Thermonuclear War? YOUR GAME IS ABOUT TO BECOME REALITY.

Scenario 4: Your life doesn't resemble Scenarios 1 - 3? You life is not a computer game.

Sorry.

Play Again (Y/N)?

Pffff (3, Interesting)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about 7 months ago | (#44848335)

"The boy is charged with terrorizing and interference with the operation of a school."

What's next? Arresting pre-schoolers who point a finger and go 'Bang Bang!!" ???

Maybe if guns weren't so fucking easy to come by the US wouldn't have to arrest kids for being kids.

Fucking idiots.

terrorism? (5, Informative)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | about 7 months ago | (#44848341)

who the fuck was harmed? no one. interfering with school ops? when? how?

The US has become a nation of fucking pussies. Thankfully it seems that a lot of under 25's are rejecting the fucked up views of their parents and grandparents. The late babyboom and near postboom generations have been a disaster in just about every way possible.

Re:terrorism? (4, Insightful)

scotts13 (1371443) | about 7 months ago | (#44848469)

who the fuck was harmed? no one. interfering with school ops? when? how?

Indeed. Other than by the meddling actions of one parent, no one at the school would ever have known. No one was "terrorized" (other than this one student), the school was not interfered with. But NOW, we have an individual that know authority is capricious and unfair. Perhaps he will lash out...

What else do you expect? (3, Insightful)

pablo_max (626328) | about 7 months ago | (#44848345)

America is a country which values the right to have high capacity magazines for assault weapons over the freedom of speech.
It it more important to ensure the blind can carry a concealed firearm than it is to ensure the children of the country are properly educated.
It is more important to spend nearly 5% of the GDP on a military, not counting the illegal wars than to allow your fellow countrymen access to affordable health care.
That is the very definition of a morally corrupted system.
It is simply a fact. Most of the people simply do not care about what is going on in America as long as their personal situation is OK. As long as they can buy an iPhone 10s for 1$ on a 5 year contract.
There is only one possible outcome here. America has been on this road since the 70's. Some argue since the end of WW2. It is only now, as things have progressed so far that the visible signs are escalating.
I do not say that Americans are bad people, because I believe that they are, on the average "just folk". Just trying to get by. They are, unfortunately, a product of the system which produced them. That system, just didn't have their interests in mind.

So bullying (2)

s0nicfreak (615390) | about 7 months ago | (#44848387)

i.e. assaulting other students, not just making "threats" but actually doing things, they let that slide. But pretending to shoot other students is an arrest-able offense.

There is noting unwise about posting videos of a game on youtube. What was unwise was assuming the adults in the school - the people that are suppose to be educating these students, and who are basically raising them, since they are with them more waking hours than their parents - have half a brain between them.

I thought you needed a gun to shoot someone... (1)

jbssm (961115) | about 7 months ago | (#44848415)

Dunno, perhaps if the USA stopped being a 3rd world country - in that regard - where everyone is allowed to go around with a gun, they didn't really had to be afraid that the student would do anything more than just play around with his iPhone game, would they?

The land of the stupid (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848447)

And this country wields a nuclear weapon. Wonderful.

Interference of the operation of a school? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848449)

Can the local police really make a big fuss about something and then charge someone for all the big fuss he "caused"? Seems like with this recipe the police can turn something legal into something illegal just because they panicked before they got to the bottom of it.

Games and reality (4, Funny)

icannotthinkofaname (1480543) | about 7 months ago | (#44848465)

We don't know at what time that game becomes reality.

That's a good question. To the end of answering it, I'd like to be the kid's defense attorney for this case, because I've played through all of the Ace Attorney games, and I'm looking forward to the new one coming out soon in English.

This proposal is a simple one. If I am not allowed to defend the kid in court based on my experience with law video games, then they can't use video games to call him a murderer, so the prosecution has no case on those grounds. If I am allowed to defend him just because I've played some law video games, then we are unlikely to be able to make a decent defense case (but these are criminal charges, so reasonable doubt is a thing).

If the kid can be a murderer because of a mobile game, then I should be able to be his attorney because of Phoenix Wright.

Back in school... (1)

geogob (569250) | about 7 months ago | (#44848481)

we used to run around the school yard with wood sticks and make pew pew pew at schoolmates and - oh god -.even towards teachers.

Obviously we had to turn all out to be serial psychotic killers that shot everyone out our schools.

It's almost like they WANT more shootings. (5, Insightful)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 7 months ago | (#44848487)

With all the school shooting we've had in the United States, it's just not a very good game to be playing at this time." The boy is now facing criminal charges for terrorizing and interference of the operation of a school.

So, instead of just counseling the lad, and maybe talking to teachers and investigating the bullying, we're not going to fix the situation, but make an example out of the kid for doing the equivalent of making a "gun" with his finger and saying "bang". In fact, the over-reaction by the school will just ensure that the very kind of people who actually DO shoot up schools will not go to the grownups for help for fear of being jailed as a terrorist for their thoughtcrimes.

Will you scared little fuckers actually do anything I want if I drum up threats of your woman and children being harmed? Of course you will. School Bus Drivers kill more kids in accidents than school shootings do. You Fucking morons are so easy to control. Keep the environment, make more examples to make the environment worse and thus gain more control through fear. We've got you to acclimate children to not walking home without supervision, despite child predator numbers being at an all time low, and acclimated to wearing RFID tags and getting retinal scans for no good reason.

1984's big brother is OK so long as he's "protecting" kids from harm, not oppressing adults? Proitp: Your indoctrination starts when you're yet young. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Soon we'll have you implanting microchips in babies that ping a wireless network, so they don't get lost... And brining your kids up to be the model dystopian citizens. Fools.

Next: normal FPS games (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 7 months ago | (#44848507)

Even doom 1 could be banned with the same arguments, or at least, any fps where you play with (and kill) friends. Luckily no company (yet) had the great idea of making an fps where you can put your own face in your character (as far i know). And why not include any game where you kill people/monsters/whatever with guns, even if are 2d platformers? America's Army and any other where you play soldier are excepted because is ok to kill in that case.

A threat is a threat (4, Interesting)

jeorgen (84395) | about 7 months ago | (#44848517)

Well, if you would send a letter to someone saying they will die, then that it is most obviously a threat. If instead, you would send a drawing, showing them dying, it would still be a threat. If you publicly or in a way that at least can bee seen by the persons depicted, post a video of them getting shot, that is still a threat. Now, I am not familiar with this app, and it might be that it does such an unrealistic job as to it not being something that can be taken seriously, but if it does a good job, and somebody decides to post it or send it so that it gets the attention of the people in the film, well then it is a threat. Think like this: If "three fingers Joe" of the mob posted the same video, I think it would be pretty clear to see that it is a threat.

Different perspective... (1)

jonnythan (79727) | about 7 months ago | (#44848547)

Playing the game is one thing. The kid wasn't arrested for playing the game.

Imagine you're a 15 year old high school kid. You just saw Newtown happen. You get a link in your email from a classmate and hit Youtube to see a video some other kid you don't know using this game to "shoot" you and a bunch of your friends in the hallways.

What do you think? How do you feel?

Playing the game and posting the video are two very different things. Posting videos of you "shooting" your classmates calls for some sort of action. That is messed up.

The Major is right though (1)

sharklasers (3047537) | about 7 months ago | (#44848555)

Unfortunately the Major is right. He appears to sound level headed enough to know that this is probably just a teenager venting, as does everyone, and that's all there is to it. But at the same time he's stuck between a rock and a hard place - given the fucked-up state of the US, if he lets it go and the kid DOES shoot up the place, then things won't turn out well. There's enormous pressure on him to process this by the book because school shootings are such a high-profile issue these days.

Putting myself in his shoes, I think it's a fucked up situation is all, and I hope the charges are dismissed quickly once it's clear that if the kid really wanted to shoot up the school, he'd do it with a gun and not resort to an FPS overlay.

Thought Police? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848567)

Is now the age of the "Thought Police" (read the book "1984" - if you don't get it).
They are now prosecuting him for this thoughts and what was in his imagination.

There was no physical crime. The use of the 'app' was still just an extension of his imagination.

O’er the land of the free & the home of (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848571)

Well, it must remain allowed to buy and wield actual weapons, but it's good we can at least prohibit toy guns. Not free and brave enough for those.

Next up: arresting people for driving under intoxication because they have been drinking non-alcoholic "beer". After all, that's a way of simulating/threatening to drink real beer.

How does this help? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848577)

In what universe does putting this kid through the legal process associated with criminal charges make him a more productive member of society?. I don't see any possible positive outcome to this action.

"interference of the operation of a school" (1)

mrspoonsi (2955715) | about 7 months ago | (#44848587)

Is there a law on the books specifically about interference of the operation of a school? If so, it is such an open ended law, imagine an 8 year old in class being a little disruptive (perhaps chatting to friend), should that child face criminal charges?

Ah the word terrorizing, let me guess, once the other kids found out they were running around screaming in terror? what no? then it is not terrorizing, it might be making a nuisance, but definitely not terrorizing.

The constant involvement of police (or the threat of) in school business, that will lead to:

1) an army of robot citizens, with little or no thought of being free
2) those who are not robots, a strong resentment of law enforcement (people have a judgement of what is fair and what is not).

Terrorism as domestic crime? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44848589)

When terrorism was added as a domestic crime lately, the proponents promised this sort of thing, normal activities and minor infractions, would not be raised to "terrorism" thus "infamous" and/or "felonious". Oops. So much for that.

JJ

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