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Stephen Colbert and the Monster Truck of Tivos

Soulskill posted about 7 months ago | from the please-don't-crush-my-car-with-your-tivo dept.

The Media 85

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Lee Hutchinson writes at Ars Technica that when you're picking out a DVR for your home, there's a pretty short list of candidates — TiVo has its new 6-tuner DVRs, or you can get something from your cable provider, or you can roll your own. But SnapStream makes a line of 30+ channel DVRs that can record dozens of TV shows simultaneously. Its products are the monster trucks of the DVR world, used by popular shows like The Colbert Report, The Daily Show, and The Soup. A SnapStream cluster can repackage, transcode, and distribute content for re-use — functionality you won't find on a consumer-grade DVR. 'Being able to record, say, all of the news channels was something companies were interested in,' says Aaron Thompson, SnapStream's president. 'The Daily Show, Colbert Report, and so on all use it to record a bunch of stuff, find what they want to make fun of, and quickly get it into their editing bays to get it on air.' Prior to SnapStream, the big media companies were using isolated DVRs to record all the different television channels and shows like The Colbert Report had armies of interns to watch and catalog all the recorded TV, but SnapStream can search the entire recorded library for video based on keywords in the closed captions. 'We bring some of the power of 'new media,' the ability to search, copy and paste, and e-mail clips, to the old media of television for organizations,' says Rakesh Agrawal . 'You weren't able to search television before, but now you can. Now you can pinpoint stuff and you can hold people accountable and move at the same speed at which media works in the online world.'"

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Well, it's an advertisement ... (4, Insightful)

DavidClarkeHR (2769805) | about 7 months ago | (#44851949)

Sure, it's an advertisement (or slashvertisement, *groan*) ... but this one is highly relevant.

To someone.

Somewhere.

Maybe.

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44852053)

I for one welcome our new 30channel+-DVR-Overlords.

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 7 months ago | (#44852087)

I'd be happy being able to watch something while recording two other things. Or for the recordings to start and stop at the appropriate time. I regularly miss the end of things because the DVR doesn't know what to stop.

I'd also be happy if there wasn't so much lag and the box that came with my TV service was easily replaceable with something that wasn't from DirecTV. I'm not sure who makes them, but they're ridiculously sluggish and don't perform as well as the one we had when we got the service.

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44852211)

I'd be happy being able to watch something while recording two other things. Or for the recordings to start and stop at the appropriate time. I regularly miss the end of things because the DVR doesn't know what to stop.

I'd also be happy if there wasn't so much lag and the box that came with my TV service was easily replaceable with something that wasn't from DirecTV. I'm not sure who makes them, but they're ridiculously sluggish and don't perform as well as the one we had when we got the service.

TORRENTS

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (1)

iamgnat (1015755) | about 7 months ago | (#44853051)

I regularly miss the end of things because the DVR doesn't know what to stop.

That's not the DVR's fault. That's the stupid channels that start and stop things at times other than what they have have set in their guide information. These seemed to really get bad a few years ago (History channel seems to the worst that I watch).

I'm not sure who makes them, but they're ridiculously sluggish and don't perform as well as the one we had when we got the service.

I recently had to replace my old TiVO S3 and was quite disappointed to find that the new one is even slower than the S3 which I was quite irritated by to begin with.

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (4, Informative)

hedwards (940851) | about 7 months ago | (#44853729)

It's not the DVR's fault per se, it's a combination of the DVR and the broadcasters not using technology that permits the DVR to stop recording only when the program is finished. In some parts of the world the broadcaster embeds a signal that tells the DVR what program is on. That way if the game goes into overtime, the DVR knows that it's still going and you don't miss the extra action.

I believe in parts of Europe they have it figured out so that you don't have to worry about missing the end of the football match.

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44857563)

It used to be that on ITV in England there'd be an on-screen indication a couple of seconds before commercials we going to start, which included those between the programmes.

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (1)

unitron (5733) | about 7 months ago | (#44857287)

What exactly was wrong with that S3, was it the 648 or the 652, and was it lifetimed?

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (1)

unitron (5733) | about 7 months ago | (#44857295)

and if you don't want to mention it here, you should be able to figure out how to reach me at coastalnet.com, or PM me at TCF if you hang out there.

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 7 months ago | (#44853451)

I'd be happy being able to watch something while recording two other things. Or for the recordings to start and stop at the appropriate time. I regularly miss the end of things because the DVR doesn't know what to stop.

The bolded part is why it's better to have more than the two tuners you say you'd be happy with. When you have 4-6 tuners, depending on how much you record, you have enough capacity to record every show for 5-10 minutes past the station's advertised end time.

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44852537)

Sure, it's an advertisement (or slashvertisement, *groan*) ... but this one is highly relevant.

Over there, we call that an arsvertisement...

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44852887)

or an inducement to somebody to come up with a roll-your-own version for the tenth of the cost... maybe set up some crowdfunding for it?

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44853067)

How about five six channel tuner cards stuffed into a motherboard?
http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv-6-pcie/
Or even five cheap pcs with six channel cards

Capturing the closed captioning and cataloging it for retrieval would be a challenge, but heck that's what we do

Re: Well, it's an advertisement ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44854307)

unless it also works w a sdv tuning adapter, non-starter

Re: Well, it's an advertisement ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44857185)

why, yes it does:
"As cable providers move to Switched Digital Video (SDV) technology, rest assured that your Ceton InfiniTV 6 supports SDV Tuning Adapters just fine."
same link above

my biggest questions are how many can run on a pci express buss before it saturates, storage architecture and pulling out the closed captioning to drive the keyword search

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44853621)

Whoever would have expected a site that covers computers, gadgets, and other tech toys to sometimes cover a product sold for a profit...

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (1)

nospam007 (722110) | about 7 months ago | (#44854847)

"Sure, it's an advertisement (or slashvertisement, *groan*) ... but this one is highly relevant.

To someone.

Somewhere."

It is important to the 'armies of interns' that are no longer needed.

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44855819)

I am very pleased with this article for a change

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44856125)

Comparing this to a Monster Truck just seems wrong. The comparison instead should be to large CAT type land movers. Monster Trucks are completely useless in terms of functionality. (Which is probably what this 30 channel device would be to the average consumer.)

Re:Well, it's an advertisement ... (1)

unitron (5733) | about 7 months ago | (#44857537)

This is /.

It must be a car analogy or as close as it is possible to get to one.

Monster truck is closer than what you're talking about.

Hooray! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44851981)

Now I can record even more TV that I'll never get around to watching. Technology is great and progress is divine.

It's just automation doing its job. (1)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | about 7 months ago | (#44854157)

Now I can record even more TV that I'll never get around to watching. Technology is great and progress is divine.

Ha ha, but seriously....

Letting the automation pull the the needles out of the hundreds-of-channels vast wasteland haystack is a classic example of using automation to do the drudgery, leaving you to do the interesting stuff.

There's two hundred channels of crud and 20 minutes per day of stuff of interest? Let the computer watch the junk sieve out the jems for you. That way you don't need to be rich enough to hire an army of interns to do the same.

TV (-1, Troll)

DogDude (805747) | about 7 months ago | (#44852033)

I don't care about DVR's. Never used one, and probably never will. "TV" is increasingly only consumed be the old and stupid.

Re:TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44852145)

That's a bit harsh, but I don't entirely disagree. My satellite services over the past few years have included their own DVR which has always worked fine and can record multiple shows (maybe 4 idk) at the same time. I'm sure that has never actually happened though, since there is still never anything on I actually care about. Without a DVR however, I wouldn't bother paying for a TV service at all.

Re:TV (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 7 months ago | (#44852147)

Actually TV watching is increasing in all demographic groups.

Re:TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44855315)

I don't have data to support this presently, but I'd suspect this is because no one has to watch TV on TV anymore.

Re:TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44852507)

TV is increasingly complained about by the irrelevant and impotent.

Re:TV (1)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | about 7 months ago | (#44852797)

Hey! It's hard to watch TV while staring out the window to guard against anyone stepping on your lawn ...

Re:TV (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | about 7 months ago | (#44852943)

    I don't know why anyone would have that problem.. At the end of the Great War, I shipped back plenty of barbed wire and landmines. More than enough to border my property. It was very useful during the Great Depression.

    There have been a few stray animals that have caused problem, but no damned kids on the lawn.

    Them youngins don't know how to protect their lawns.

    I'll go back to watching those funny kids, Larry, Moe, and Curly. Great fun they are.

Is it Tivo or DVR? (2)

chrismcb (983081) | about 7 months ago | (#44852049)

FTS: "the monster trucks of the DVR world"
But the title is "Monster Truck of Tivos"
Why? Why do we have to use Tivo as a synonym for DVR, can't we just say DVR?

Re:Is it Tivo or DVR? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44852173)

I've never used Tivo as a verb, and only used the word to refer to an actual Tivo (and I can't imagine why I would have done that at all in the last 5 years). I think it's a thing the media uses, because I've only rarely heard anyone say Tivo (but never as a verb).

Re:Is it Tivo or DVR? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44852213)

If you don't understand this, it's because you're too young to think of "Tivo" as a more descriptive or well-known and therefore appropriate label than "DVR".

Re:Is it Tivo or DVR? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44852541)

I'm guessing you're not much past college age or younger. There was a period of time, around the turn of the century to about when HDTV became dominant that the only "serious" form of DVR was the TiVo. No one "DVR'd" anything. If you were older you still "taped" it and if you were younger you "TiVo'd" it. It was poised to be a generic word like Dumpster or Kleenex. Cable and satellite providers did a good job of locking TiVo out of the HD changeover and getting their own DVRs into homes so it never quite hit critical mass for a long enough period of time.

Re:Is it Tivo or DVR? (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 7 months ago | (#44852297)

...can't we just say DVR?

To many syllables, and not nearly as catchy. Do you say 'facial tissues', or Kleenex?

Re:Is it Tivo or DVR? (1)

homsar (2461440) | about 7 months ago | (#44853555)

Do you say 'facial tissues', or Kleenex?

Just "tissues".

Too many syllables, and not nearly as catchy.

Sure, DVR is an annoying TLA. My parents refer to their DVR as "the box". (The verb is then "record it [on the box]".)

Re:Is it Tivo or DVR? (5, Funny)

unkiereamus (1061340) | about 7 months ago | (#44852325)

Personally, I was hoping for Colbert building a monster truck out of TiVos and driving over the cars in the executive lot at Viacom.

Re:Is it Tivo or DVR? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44854405)

That is just like PC has become a synonym for a Windows PC...

Re:Is it Tivo or DVR? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44858339)

Bandaids, kleenix, qtips, google, etc.

Get over it.

It's not too difficult to build your own (1)

amorsen (7485) | about 7 months ago | (#44852051)

With digital TV providing multiple TV channels per MUX, it is a lot cheaper to buy the amount of cards necessary to receive everything. In most cases you can even decrypt a whole bunch of channels with just one subscription card. You will not necessarily get all the fancy features that SnapStream provides, but it is a very affordable solution. HTS-TVHeadend can handle some of the practical details like recording each program into a separate file.

Getting enough disk bandwidth might be a challenge of course, but you need a lot of drives anyway to handle the space requirements. Transcoding is not really practical with that many channels unless you do like SnapStream and use dedicated co-processors per channel.

Re:It's not too difficult to build your own (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44852259)

Getting them all working together, with backup, decent GUI's, etc. is a tremendous amount of work. I can build my own PC's from scratch, too, but it's a huge amount of work for a commodity available device.

Not really an apt comparison (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | about 7 months ago | (#44852085)

Its products are the monster trucks of the DVR world

That's not really an apt comparison, because despite their name... monster trucks bear little resemblance to real trucks. They're prima donna performers, capable of little else other than looking good and making a lot of noise.

Those 30 tuners? (4, Informative)

pongo000 (97357) | about 7 months ago | (#44852101)

That will set you back to the tune of about $223,500 [snapstream.com] (enter some fake info for the details). Or it looks like you can lease 30 tuners for about $5,000/month.

Think I'll be sticking with my Moxi.

Re:Those 30 tuners? (1)

bobstreo (1320787) | about 7 months ago | (#44852175)

That will set you back to the tune of about $223,500 [snapstream.com] (enter some fake info for the details). Or it looks like you can lease 30 tuners for about $5,000/month.

Think I'll be sticking with my Moxi.

Anybody want to chip in on some, and store on the cloud someplace?

Re:Those 30 tuners? (1)

claar (126368) | about 7 months ago | (#44852409)

Anybody want to chip in on some, and store on the cloud someplace?

My back-of-the-napkin calculations show that Google Cloud storage to be around $100k for the first year at 2.5Mbps * 30 channels * 365 days. I suppose if the tuner costs $225k, that's umm.. reasonable? :)

Re:Those 30 tuners? (1)

caspy7 (117545) | about 7 months ago | (#44853183)

I checked the site and I think this bears repeating: The tuner in question is approaching a quarter of a million dollars in costs (perhaps more depending on the '+' part of '30+').

At that rate, wouldn't it be more economical to pay a hacker to build/design one based on MythTV that pulls off the same features (then whip out another or upgrade when you need it)? Heck, you could hire a couple MythTV developers.

Re:Those 30 tuners? (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 7 months ago | (#44856527)

A MythTV hack isn't going to get you easily extractable, searchable, licensed, broadcast-quality video that interfaces directly with pro video editors. This thing is designed for a pro market, where $250,000 isn't much money for this sort of tech.

Re:Those 30 tuners? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44861763)

Licensed? What makes you think this price includes content licensing. That'll certainly be a separate issue the buyers have to sort themselves. As for the rest I'm sure you could get all that from MythTV with less than $250k of developer time. Perhaps not a trivial task that your average hobbyist could hack together, but it isn't incredibly complicated. I'm sure the only reason they can charge that much is due to a lack of competition.

Quite happy (1)

JustNiz (692889) | about 7 months ago | (#44852229)

Quite happy with my MythTV box thanks. It does a lot more than any commercial product.

Re:Quite happy (2)

odie5533 (989896) | about 7 months ago | (#44852443)

I have AT&T Uverse. Their commercial set-top boxes actually let me watch TV, which is certainly a step up from MythTV which has no way of decrypting their proprietary IPTV streams. I know of no third-party equipment capable of decrypting it.

I remember the Slashdot thread from a while back which lambasted the FCC's effort to regulate IPTV. Otherwise MythTV might actually become compatible with IPTV services. What a scary thought.

Re:Quite happy (3, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 7 months ago | (#44852653)

On the cable side, a CableCard and Ceton InfiniTV 4 [newegg.com] . Ceton has a 6 tuner card.

As for IPTV, MythTV cannot decode the signal alone however, they can be used with IR blaster connected to a set-top box and MythTV can grab the stream from box sometimes.

Re:Quite happy (1)

odie5533 (989896) | about 7 months ago | (#44852775)

At best that would give me 1 tuner per set-top box, but I've read the Uverse STBs are very troublesome to control with IR blasters. At this point I regret my decision to go with Uverse every time I turn on my television, and I'm counting the days until my contract is up and I can move to cable.

Though I've read there are problems with cable as well. MythTV can only watch the Copy Freely channels, and many cable companies use Copy Once flags. I suppose doing all these things forces customers to lease your proprietary equipment. Because it does not have any effect on piracy. And it's not like there's any real competition in the market: all the TV companies use some type of proprietary protection.

Re:Quite happy (1)

JustNiz (692889) | about 7 months ago | (#44865593)

I'm still hanging on to my old-style cable plan on purpose (as it requires no box) so everything is effectively OTA but most channels are coming in as digital. I have a haupauge WinTV-HVR-2200. It's 2 analog/digital tuners. I've not ever found a problem of needing more.

If I ever had to upgrade my plan, I'd go with an HDHomeRun Prime, which is a mythtv-compatible digital (only) TV tuner with cablecard support, I think I read somewhere it can record upto 6 digital channels at once (I'm guessing thats assuming optimal multiplex).

>> MythTV can only watch the Copy Freely channels,

I'm not 100% sure as with the cable plan I have I've never had that problem, however I dont think this is necessarily true. It maybe one of those things that you need to know where to look.

For listings data I use schedulesdirect. its only $25/year.

Re:Quite happy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44853263)

Except watch, record or interact in any way with live TV that isn't a handful of OTA channels. That's a deal breaker for almost everyone. But if you're happy with that, then great. Just understand you're a tiny niche,

U-verse Would be smart... (1)

aaronb1138 (2035478) | about 7 months ago | (#44852311)

Since as I recall U-verse centrally packages ALL television now to allow the back in time DVR feature, wouldn't the prudent thing be for AT&T (even though I dislike them) to offer a commercial product. $5k / month and all they need to do is drop a few U-Verse boxes with unlimited channel lineup packages and maybe a custom workstation that can pull and transcode. I think Time Warner has a similar feature as well to jump back to missed shows.

The bigger joke here, is with all of their investment in infrastructure, that within the RTVF industry, each player doesn't already have a centralized system to control all of their content digitally that they lease out to each other at uncompressed 1080P & 4k. No wonder catching up to Netflix has been such an ordeal.

I Found TiVo to be Unusable (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44852539)

I tried TiVo out. I wanted it to do one thing: Allow me to record a single channel N for one hour beginning at HH:MM.

It can't do it.

Instead, TiVo insists that I connect to a phone line or an internet connection. It insists on downloading program schedules, and it wants to force me to select what program I want to record. It's got one job, and that is to record the channel I tell it to for a certain amount of time beginning at a certain time, and it can't do that.

I sent it back.

Re:I Found TiVo to be Unusable (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | about 7 months ago | (#44852611)

The original Tivos were able to do scheduled recording without a network connection. They took that feature away because it hurt their revenue model when they were looking to license their tech to other companies and just operate as a service provider.

Re:I Found TiVo to be Unusable (1)

speedlaw (878924) | about 7 months ago | (#44853335)

Every recorder must be individually addressable and killable....this is why the Sony HDD 250 was killed.

Re:I Found TiVo to be Unusable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44855097)

Screw 30 channels of ads, if only digital clocks stopped flashing "12:00" that would be an huge improvement.

Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of those! (1)

Kasmiur (464127) | about 7 months ago | (#44852613)

That's pretty cool device too bad it isn't in the realm of average people. How much more efficient media could be consumed.

This is new? (3, Interesting)

illtud (115152) | about 7 months ago | (#44852713)

We've been doing this since 2007 (digitally) at the National Screen and Sound Archive of Wales [archif.com] . We have a licence to keep for the nation any broadcast TV that we recieve that meets our collection policy. We've been doing it on SVHS (and earlier technology) for decades before. We probably have an order of magnitude fewer channels than they have (UK Freeview - 50 TV & 24 radio) but scaling up the number of channels we keep in the buffer (two weeks) before programme selection wouldn't come close to the pricing mentioned in some of the comments here. We keep the full MPEG-TS as transmitted (so can use the raster subtitle streams if necessary) and ingest them into our Fedora-commons digital repository. We're moving to a version that OCRs the subtitles for improved resource discovery - at the moment we only use the EPG which we convert to our own metadata standard.

We use a commercial system, Imagen from Cambridge Imaging Systems, to capture and select, then our own workflows for technical characterisation, metadata transformation and ingest, but you could use MythTV or some other to buffer two weeks of the entire UK terrestrial output for a lot less than is being mentioned here. We will have a youtube-like interface (but with transcription searches from the subtitles) to search the tens of thousands of recordings that we hold, and it will incorporate digitised material from our own unique collections of film and video.

I'm sure that the BBC or other similar national broadcasters have monsterous systems that eclispe ours or The Colbert Show's - the system we're using was originally designed as one massive PVR for UK universities to try to save resources and share recordings amongst campus users rather than have each student download each progamme to their dorms (and uni storage).

Does it really take that level of infrastructure? (1)

tlambert (566799) | about 7 months ago | (#44852761)

Does it really take that level of infrastructure?

I would think it would be embarrassingly easy to find people saying stupid things on the news these days without a lot of searching, and then just comment on the stupid things you find. It's sort of analogous to looking for a needle in a needle factory.

would be really nice if snapstream .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44852763)

would get back into the consumer space.. (they quit updating/developing beyondtv two years ago.. although the old version is still for sale.. who knows for how long it will be and how long its listings will continue...)

with sage getting bought and and essentially shut down (no more products for sale).......

and the shit microsoft pulled with media center -- pulled from win8 then peddled as an extra cost addon -- an extra cost home user addon to the more expensive business-oriented 'pro' edition (only) of windows ... the tv recording media center/dvr marked needs a viable alternative... freebies like myth will never get full cablecard access due to licensing costs but a commercial one would and could.. so we need an alternative to windows media center and beyondtv could have been it..

Snapstream's consumer products. (1)

antdude (79039) | about 7 months ago | (#44852913)

Too bad this company stopped doing consumer products like BeyondTV. I wonder what are good ones these days.

Wrong term (2)

markdavis (642305) | about 7 months ago | (#44852985)

>"Stephen Colbert and the Monster Truck of Tivos"

A SnapStream is not a TiVo, it is a DVR. So you can call it "Stephen Colbert and the Monster Truck of DVRs".

And the CORRECT term is even in the article that you were apparently trying to quote:

"Houston-based SnapStream makes a line of DVRs that scale to truly silly sizesâ"its products are the monster trucks of the DVR world."

So why the hell edit it to make it wrong and confusing?

Re:Wrong term (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44856119)

To many people, though perhaps not this audience, Tivo = DVR = Tivo. Kleenex, Hoover, etc.

...but think of the interns! (1)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | about 7 months ago | (#44853073)

One more job lost...

Really is absurd that you need equipment to do this task in the first place.

overpriced and underperforming (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 7 months ago | (#44853201)

Do those shows just not know how to build a DVR computer? My gaming PC took about $150 in additions to make it an HD-capable, DTV-capable, satellite-capable, cable-capable DVR that can record 900 hours of video. I could have gone dual or quad tuners for not a whole lot more. Then the end result is an actual file, not some digital content floating around in a proprietary box with all custom parts and a custom OS. Take that, all DVRs everywhere.

Re:overpriced and underperforming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44853837)

Start a company, dude !

Re:overpriced and underperforming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44854703)

there's a difference between recording one or a few programs at a time for home viewing, and storing a few hundred to maybe a thousand hours or so; and the capability to record DOZENS of programs on DOZENS of channels at the same time (up to 100 or more), STORE tens of thousands of hours of video, SEARCH through them all for keywords and instantly bring up relevant video clips.. all in a turnkey package. a big HUGE difference...

Re:overpriced and underperforming (1)

Bruinwar (1034968) | about 7 months ago | (#44855267)

My provider scrambles everything. I've yet to see a product that works between my cable box & my entertainment PC so I can record content. I can only record broadcast signals.
Is there a viable solution available that is not too pricy?

Re:overpriced and underperforming (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 7 months ago | (#44862339)

Since that's illegal, the FCC demanded that they provide, 100% free, a tuner that spits out a standard coaxial connection with "de-tuned" data. Time Warner has one that's basically a DTV converter but for cable.

Re:(plus one Infor8a7ive) (1)

Smask (665604) | about 7 months ago | (#44854583)

"Welcome to http://goat.cx/ [goat.cx]

This domain been suspended, please use the Registration URL link to contact your registrar

Error Connecting To Whois Server."

The domain has been suspended/parked for a while. I don't know why you want us to see that. Don't bother changing to goat.se, the asshole's long gone, replaced with some goat info. Yes, it's domain parked too. [goat.se]

Tv is broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44853737)

The tv stations have all the content stored, they then stream it and we have to record it all again to watch it? A better model would be that the stations or producers of the shows just allow you to stream it from them, either free with ads or paid with no ads. How long will it be before the stations get this? This is why I don't watch tv.

Back when Snapsteam Made Consumer Products. (2)

drfred79 (2936643) | about 7 months ago | (#44854417)

Back in the day Snapstream made an awesome consumer product, Beyond Tv, which was exactly what MCE should have been. The product and their customer support was a dream. It allowed multiple tuners, was relatively lightweight, and I even bought their networked streaming Link product. Being internet professionals us forum posters complained that we paid for a product which didn't have every single feature we wanted. I think this contributed to Snapstream deciding us consumers were never appreciative and businesses were a lot easier and more lucrative. Ultimately I miss their consumer products, I could honestly still use them, and I think I wouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Why record more than one channel? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44856109)

I can see there's a specialised need for multi-channel recording but can't understand how there can be a domestic need to record more than one at a time - are there people who honestly enjoy so much of the current programming that there's things on more than one channel for any time slot that they're interested in?

Re:Why record more than one channel? (1)

unitron (5733) | about 7 months ago | (#44857549)

I can see there's a specialised need for multi-channel recording but can't understand how there can be a domestic need to record more than one at a time - are there people who honestly enjoy so much of the current programming that there's things on more than one channel for any time slot that they're interested in?

The few shows in which one is interested are always scheduled against each other.

If you need to record 12 channels ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44859213)

... at the same time, then you have a mayor mental problem and should consult a psychiatrist.

I can see recording 2 shows at the same time, while watching a 3rd. Sometimes good shows air at the same time. But 12 at the same time?? You have to have a very serious addiction to the TV if you need a 12 channel DVR.

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