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SkyOS Now Free (As In Beer)

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the free-as-in-dead dept.

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Beardydog writes "SkyOS, the commercial, alternative OS created almost entirely by Robert Szeleney, became free (as in beer) sometime last month. Alternative OS enthusiasts can be forgiven for missing it, as the website has been largely derelict, and the forums overrun with spam, since the project was halted in 2009. It's not clear from the announcement whether the ISO available is the traditional build, or the version rebuilt around Linux. The post announcing the free version provides a license name ('public') and registration code that must be entered during setup. While it isn't quite the open-sourcing that most followers hoped for, it's heartening to know SkyOS won't be completely lost in the mists of time." For a blast from the past, check out our old stories about SkyOS.

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And we care...why? (-1, Troll)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#44870249)

Linux,BSD, Android, heck even niche OSes like Kolibri and haiku, we have a TON of free OSes that are NOT years behind and with SkyOS being built by only a single guy? It'll maybe, MAYBE be at win95 level of polish...yawn.

Re:And we care...why? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44870295)

>Android

First, Android is half closed. You have to bring your own bits to the table to make it work. Amazon did it with the Kindle Fire, and Google has Google Play. But basically no individuals are equipped to leverage Android on their own.

Second, every OS has to start somewhere. I can read your words in 1996 and imagine it about the Linux Kernel.

Re:And we care...why? (1)

gagol (583737) | about a year ago | (#44870309)

Except it is not open source, abandoned and never took off.

Re:And we care...why? (1)

Teancum (67324) | about a year ago | (#44870373)

Just like MINIX [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:And we care...why? (5, Insightful)

gagol (583737) | about a year ago | (#44870441)

Minix publish their source code under BSD 13 years ago (your link, second sentence). Its purpose was to provide a framework for OS programming. SkyOS is a one guy who wanted to code an OS and get paid for it. Hardly comparable.

Re:And we care...why? (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#44870465)

He WROTE AN OPERATING SYSTEM!?

I thought it was pretty AWESOME when it was just those AMBER BOOKS!

Re:And we care...why? (1)

gagol (583737) | about a year ago | (#44870485)

Dont change the fact this OS will slowly die to abandonware unless opened.

Re:And we care...why? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#44876231)

Exactly and notice how the FOSSie faction marks me down without even comprehending I was pointing out there is NO POINT in wasting time with a closed source abandoned hobby OS when you have BSD, Linux, Android, etc.

Re:And we care...why? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year ago | (#44876913)

Unless of course you're the curator of the alternative OS museum.

Re:And we care...why? (1)

gagol (583737) | about a year ago | (#44877807)

To be honest, it is a bit ambiguous. However you should not get your panties in a bunch for a stranger on Internet. It dont matter what I think of you, but I am pretty sure we would have fun getting around a lager.

Re:And we care...why? (3, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year ago | (#44870355)

You have to bring your own bits to the table to make it work. Amazon did it with the Kindle Fire, and Google has Google Play.

Because an Operating System isn't an Operating System, unless you can get a bundled app store with it...

Re:And we care...why? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#44873205)

Because an Operating System isn't an Operating System, unless you can get a bundled app store with it...

Well, as part of ensuring less fragmentation in Android between OS versions, Google has created a huge framework (Google Services Framework) to isolate apps from the OS. GSF is a big, binary only library with system level privileges that ensure it doesn't need to ask for more permissions ever.

Of course, AOSP does not have this, and excepting the few app stores outside of Google Play, apps are few and far between as most developers only post their apps on Google Play and nowhere else.

Re:And we care...why? (2)

pipatron (966506) | about a year ago | (#44870383)

Though in 1996 we didn't actually have tons of free operating systems. Linux added something that was missing.

Then again, this release is hopefully nothing serious, other than a way to say that he's abandoned the project and doesn't really care if people use it or not.

Re:And we care...why? (2)

oztiks (921504) | about a year ago | (#44872991)

Kind of. 1996 was the days of OS2 Warp and Windows 95 which notably wasn't free but easily pirated. Linux helped more in the server space and with the emergence of the BSDs. Open/FreeBSD was kind of the bad boys on the block. Linux was already pretty mainstream by 96, we used to use it to drive our 20 node dial up ISP at the time feeding data from a ISDN line.

It was the earlier parts of the 90's where Linux made its ground. Minux was the best that was out there until Linux came along.

Re:And we care...why? (1)

oztiks (921504) | about a year ago | (#44873009)

Minix rather ... or for the real pedantic type MINUX

Re:And we care...why? (1)

oztiks (921504) | about a year ago | (#44873063)

Ohhhh ... I give up :/

Re:And we care...why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44889601)

Created by Minus Tanenbaum, the Micro Colonel? :)

Re:And we care...why? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44870477)

Wrong. Android is 100% open source. I guess you don't know about AOSP.

Re:And we care...why? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44870947)

I guess you don't know why AOSP is called AOSP and Android is called Android. That would be because not all of Android is in AOSP, because Android is not completely open.

Re:And we care...why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44871615)

Wrong. Android is 100% open source.

Lol! Thanks, I needed a good laugh to start the day!

Re:And we care...why? (4, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about a year ago | (#44870869)

But basically no individuals are equipped to leverage Android on their own.

Applications are the easy bit. See F-Droid [f-droid.org] . The hard part is getting device drivers for your hardware...

Not again (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44871453)

The last thing I come here to read is that somebody else doesn't care about something. What in the hell can I learn from that? I don't give a damn whether you care or not. If you have something useful to say, then say it. If not, shut the hell up.

Re: Not again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44873107)

wow the las thing I need to read is that you don't care about them not caring

Re:And we care...why? (1)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | about a year ago | (#44871701)

Way back when, I was on an Alt-OS kick and found out about SkyOS. I was initially excited, hoping it was on the level of BeOS (which I ran exclusively for a time) and paid for the license to run it. Despite having access to unlimited hardware, and following the devs very carefully, I never could get it to run properly, and eventually gave up. Late last year I found a link to it again and saw it had been abandoned. Same really, it had some promising ideas to it.

slashdotted (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44870261)

I wonder if the server is running SkyOS?

Re:slashdotted (1)

gagol (583737) | about a year ago | (#44870293)

whatever it does, it looks more like crawing than running.

Not likely enough (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44870281)

Just "gratis for copying" is not enough for not getting lost in the mist of time since it does not help against bit rot: hardware moves on. At some point of time, it will get hard to get devices for this to run on.

Re:Not likely enough (1)

somersault (912633) | about a year ago | (#44871065)

At some point of time, it will get hard to get devices for this to run on.

Considering that would mean a time when x86 emulation software such as DOSbox becomes hard to find.. I don't see it happening until geeks lose interest in the history of computing. Which may have to involve a global thermonuclear war or similar.

Re:Not likely enough (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44878067)

You say that, but it's a veritable nightmare getting the x86 version of NextStep to work in an emulator. Even the emulated hardware has moved too far ahead.

Torrent-Please (1)

basecastula (2556196) | about a year ago | (#44870285)

So lets help this guy out. The website is slashdotted. If anybody can downlod it and make a torrent. Then post the magnetlink. That would be great. I am just assuming that is a solution. Let the "discussion" begin.

Re:Torrent-Please (4, Informative)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#44870469)

Last SkyOS 5.0 beta released for free via http://www.osnews.com/comments/27260 [osnews.com]
has some torrent and magnetlink in the comments. Not sure if its a new version or the links work.

Re:Torrent-Please (0)

basecastula (2556196) | about a year ago | (#44870513)

Thanks. I'm out of points.

Re:Torrent-Please (1)

basecastula (2556196) | about a year ago | (#44870533)

Torrent works as well as the link. magnet:?xt=urn:btih:24838DF2D7A1795A3625BD6451C6838C5F8BAB6E&dn=skyos_ 6947.rar&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a8 0%2fannounce

Re:Torrent-Please (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#44870555)

Great to see some working links. It will be interesting to see what people think of SkyOS, how it was made and what the creator focused on.

I don't see any connection to Vietnam, Walter. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44870357)

Walter Sobchak: That rug really tied the room together, did it not?
The Dude: Fuckin' A.

What does it uniquely offer me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44870509)

What does it offer, outside of mundane curiosity, that I can already find at Distrowatch? I can find a lot of random stuff on archive.org to waste time with too.

Give me a reason and a purpose for using SkyOS.

Re:What does it uniquely offer me? (2)

Somebody Is Using My (985418) | about a year ago | (#44872653)

Sayeth the Wiki...

Kernel:There are some notable features that distinguish the SkyOS kernel from others. These include:
- Kernel-mode VESA support, allowing for graphical display immediately upon power-up
- Architecture abstraction layer, allowing SkyOS to be easily ported to other architectures
- Advanced CPU support, including Multi-Core/SMP/HyperThreading and all the major x86 extensions
- Full DMA, ATAPI, and ATA/SATA support (with SATA drivers for several major chipsets)
- Support for popular buses

Desktop: The design of the SkyGI API is loosely based around the concepts of the Qt and Swing windowing toolkits. A core principle of SkyGI is the "view." Every GUI object is derived from the base "view" object, and, as such, all have similar properties and behave in similar ways.[4]

SkyGI has built in support for internationalization and localization, allowing third party developers to easily create multilingual applications that are based around easy to write 'translation' files. The framework also facilitates accessibility by building in support for advanced keyboard navigation.

File system:SkyFS is a fork of the OpenBFS filesystem. It supports the following notable features:
  - 64-bit data structures
  - Journaling
  - Metadata support, allowing for, among other things, ACLs
  - Metadata indexing and querying
  - POSIX file permissions

Fast searching: With the help of the SQL-based Index Feeder, SkyFS supports fast metadata and full-text searching similar in concept to WinFS and Spotlight.[6] This allows for instantaneous system-wide searches as well as "search as you type" file browsing.

So it looks interesting, especially considering it was developed by one person. But given the lack of source I agree with most people here; it's a dead project.

I suppose Szeleney's hope is that by making it free but not open source he will bring it to the attention of some manufacturer who has need of an embedded OS (for their phone, tablet, whatever) and feels SkyOS may fit their needs. He then will either sell the code to them or offer to modify it to their needs. But, seeing as a) it's x86-only and b) he couldn't attract commercial attention to his OS four years ago when the project was still active, this seems a last-ditch attempt to cash in on his work. So while I wish him success, I also think he would have been better off just offering the project to the community.

Re:What does it uniquely offer me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44876035)

Sayeth the Wiki...

Kernel:There are some notable features that distinguish the SkyOS kernel from others. These include:
- Kernel-mode VESA support, allowing for graphical display immediately upon power-up

Like Linux KMS?

- Architecture abstraction layer, allowing SkyOS to be easily ported to other architectures

Well, that's nice and specific, but I'm pretty sure netBSD and Linux would like to have a word with you.

- Advanced CPU support, including Multi-Core/SMP/HyperThreading and all the major x86 extensions

Who doesn't?

- Full DMA, ATAPI, and ATA/SATA support (with SATA drivers for several major chipsets)

Really, now?

- Support for popular buses

?!

Oh, wait, now I get it -- these are things that distinguish SkyOS's kernel from other toy OSes, not from real, successful OSes whose kernel one might reasonably use if one wanted to develop a new, incompatible windowing system (or UI generally, should "windowing system" fail to adequately capture the grandeur of your new "view"-based concept), without having to run the treadmill of supporting current hardware yourself. Even if your new filesystem's "metadata indexing and querying" requires writing your own VFS to circumvent "conventional filesystem" assumptions built-into the Linux VFS, there's still vast swathes of stuff you'll never have to touch, and you'll get free support for e.g. that hot new SATA chipset -- it means less of your time going to the grunt work of hardware drivers, and more users will be able to fire it up on their existing machine. For a one-man project, this is huge.

I agree with you that SkyOS (and in particular the GUI layer) sounds kinda interesting, but it seems to have been doomed long ago by what I can only see as the author's poor judgement in establishing the scope of the project.

Cloud (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44870549)

Does the cloud reside in the SkyOS?

Re:Cloud (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#44871943)

Moss: [snorts] SkyOS is the cloud!

Singularity (1)

Kuruk (631552) | about a year ago | (#44870713)

From Microsoft of all places. I liked the idea of it and developed into a full OS would have been advanced. It seemed like it would be slower for the stability gains and that why it died.

Legacy Software is quite a problem now with bugs and exploits. I wonder when we will move away from them. It looks to me like all the money hungry corps are moving to closed environments based on the same on crap technology, just locked down.

Such a shitty world we live in. I hope linux gaming takes off. Thats the only thing that kept me Microsoft since 1995. But linux is a legacy product as well :(

Just cant win.

Re:Singularity (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year ago | (#44873029)

Of course any new operating system would be perfectly coded, free of all bugs and security concerns.

Re:Singularity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44876477)

Legacy Software is quite a problem now with bugs and exploits.

Not "legacy" software, software from certain vendors -- MS, Adobe, etc. You don't have that problem with *Nix (Apple, Linux, supercomputers) because security and networkability has been engineered into it for half a century. The programs that run on *nix (most of them anyway) are also resiliant.

Microsoft doesn't understand security and Adobe and a few others simply don't care.

ByebyeOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44870735)

Were it made free software (as in freedom) it might've interested somebody...

too little too late (5, Informative)

Gravis Zero (934156) | about a year ago | (#44870961)

This would have been great... several years ago. His arrogance of demanding that he would only release the source if only someone fully dedicated to leading the project that was the final nail in the coffin. He never deemed anyone worthy of the position so it fell into obscurity. I think we would be better off if the source had just been deleted and page taken down.

Oh yeah, the reason it died is that he drove away the other developers.

SkyOS underwent many changes after this surge in popularity. Because of significant differences at the source level, Szeleney stopped thinking of what was under development as the fifth version of his operating system, and the name "SkyOS 5.0" was rebranded to simply "SkyOS". A more professional demeanor was taken throughout the project

"professional demeanor" means he started acting like an arrogant asshole.

As the years progressed and the other founding members of SkyOS distanced from the project,

turns out that people dont like to be pushed around by arrogant assholes.

SkyOS isn't an operating system, it's a cautionary tale.

Re:too little too late (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44871441)

turns out that people dont like to be pushed around by arrogant assholes.

Yet we still have OpenBSD and Linux developers, and frankly, both Linus and Theo are arrogant assholes.

Re:too little too late (1)

fnj (64210) | about a year ago | (#44871693)

turns out that people dont like to be pushed around by arrogant assholes.

Yet we still have OpenBSD and Linux developers, and frankly, both Linus and Theo are arrogant assholes.

Yet we still have OpenBSD and Linux developers, and frankly, both Linus and Theo are arrogant assholes.

Arrogant: adjective: having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities. I don't think arrogant is QUITE the appropriate term here, do you? No, I must insist. High-handed, maybe, churlish, perhaps. Linus and Theo are the real deal. Whatever their sense of their own importance and abilities is, I doubt it is exaggerated beyond the simple truth. Anyway, it's utterly beside the point. Objections are based on their lack of civility and tolerance. I have my own opinion about how constructive those objections are. Folks, Linus and Theo aren't likely to change in response to challenges to their manner, so do we really think we can find adequate and comparably excellent replacements half as effective? That would be unlikely, IMHO unjustified, and most certainly ungrateful.

Re:too little too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44882351)

I was going to say something similar. "Arrogant" is the wrong word - maybe "strong-minded" or "bull-headed" would be better. Linus has never been one to handle kernel developers with kid gloves, but he has proven to be an excellent project manager who can motivate his developers effectively.

Re:too little too late (2)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year ago | (#44873145)

Nobody doubts they are. But both have one saving grace - they're in charge of forkable projects. That means there's a safety valve.

SkyOS was a terrible system - I don't mean technically, it could have been the best technologically, who knows? But organizationally/legally, it was a disaster. Combine the forced reliance upon third party support of a proprietary operating system like Windows, with the lack of a stable corporate-sized support system of a lower-interest operating system like AROS or AtheOS and you have the worst of all worlds. Nobody in their right mind would ever develop for a system with that winning combination, and few did.

AROS and AtheOS survive (the latter a positive cautionally tale, as it proved the point) because there's no single point of failure. If the development leader disappears (which happened with AtheOS) then others - including the users - have the ability to step in and take over. Windows and Mac OS X survive because the single point of failure is unlikely to fail, it's too big, and too much rides upon it, to disappear without a lot of warning.

SkyOS had a single point of failure that was fragile. A single person. And now this, a binary-only release that still can't be supported by anyone other than the original person. What a waste.

Re:too little too late (1)

sproketboy (608031) | about a year ago | (#44872159)

"turns out that people dont like to be pushed around by arrogant assholes."

Then why do you linux guys take this from Linus all the time?

Re:too little too late (0)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44872503)

Linus isn't arrogant.

He's right, and the asshole comes out when you waste his time.

He doesn't have an exaggerated self importance.

Re:too little too late (1)

sproketboy (608031) | about a year ago | (#44878279)

And you know this how? By the many years of experience you've had with your tongue up his ass?

Re:too little too late (1)

Cramer (69040) | about a year ago | (#44876481)

We don't. What serious linux user ("guru"?) doesn't keep their own source tree? My own has dozens, if not hundreds, of modifications grown into it over the years. (delete qlogicfc? Uh, NO -- it's the only driver that works with some of my (ok, old as dirt) cards. 2min and it lives on in my tree.)

For the record, *every* major distro maintains their own kernel tree.

Re:too little too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44876985)

turns out that people dont like to be pushed around by arrogant assholes.

If you quote this in the context of SkyOS poeple will agree. However if you use that same quote when talking about Linux then many people will turn around and defend that behavior.

Well that sounds encouraging... (5, Funny)

slimdave (710334) | about a year ago | (#44870995)

>> the website has been largely derelict ... the forums overrun with spam ... the project was halted in 2009 ... not clear from the announcement whether the ISO available is the traditional build, or the version rebuilt around Linux.

Sounds great. I'll install it at once.

AndNothingOfValueWasGained (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44871013)

While it isn't quite the open-sourcing that most followers hoped for, it's heartening to know SkyOS won't be completely lost in the mists of time."

yes it will. with no development since something like 2009 and none expected in the future... what good is a bunch of compiled bits of an incomplete operating system without the source code and license to do something with it?

Re:AndNothingOfValueWasGained (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | about a year ago | (#44871417)

Kinda sounds like Windows XP, but about 8 years newer.

Where can I get the free beer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44871099)

So where do I need to go to get this free beer?

Re:Where can I get the free beer? (1)

Half-pint HAL (718102) | about a year ago | (#44874739)

So where do I need to go to get this free beer?

You need to compile it from source.

I'll say one thing... (4, Funny)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | about a year ago | (#44871361)

For SkyOS, the interface looks way better then Windows 8.

Mod the hell up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44871849)

That's the most insightful post in this entire discussion. The only thing wrong with it is the stupid fixed font.

Re:Mod the hell up (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44872631)

LOOKS FINE ON MY COMPUTER!!!!

Quit using "free (as in beer)". (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44871915)

It's a nearly meaningless phrase to those who aren't intimately familiar with Richard Stallman's political philosophy. Beer isn't free. Free beer is free. "Free (as in beer)" is merely nonsensical.

Re:Quit using "free (as in beer)". (2)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#44871991)

It's not our fault if the english language doesn't have two different words to describe two different things.

Even if we used "gratis" or "free of charge", people would still ask which meaning is to be understood when we use the word "free" and using the word "libre" would have other people complain that it's not in english.

Re:Quit using "free (as in beer)". (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year ago | (#44877065)

Both words really do have the same meaning when put in context. As in "this product is free from price" has the same meaning of "you are free to take that with you" and as "you are free to say what you like". But languages evolve continuously over time so that "free" has become a shortcut word to mean "no cost".

What about the word "free" from "I have some free time". Is that "gratis" or "libre"? There may be a distinct meaning to Spanish and French speakers but I think many English speakers would disagree about which meaning is implied in "free time".

Re:Quit using "free (as in beer)". (0)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#44873221)

It's a nearly meaningless phrase to those who aren't intimately familiar with Richard Stallman's political philosophy. Beer isn't free. Free beer is free. "Free (as in beer)" is merely nonsensical.

Not only this, but it's nonsensical to any who are remotely familiar with beer. To homebrewers (of beer, from which homebrewed software gets its name) the the beer is Free as in Freedom. We give beer freely, and collaborate, and share our recipes to create the beer and benefit by improvements on the recipes that other homebrewers make and bring back to us. Like 'Free Software' it does cost something to make 'Free Beer'. "Free as in Freedom, not Free as in Beer" -- Fools, Draconian copyright laws do not protect beer recipes, but software. In every way Beer is more Free than software.

It belies an ignorance about the free beer to use such ignorant statements as a distinction. Homebrew Software?! This software is less free than the Homebrew Beer -- In the USA we are prohibited from selling the beer...

Re:Quit using "free (as in beer)". (0)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#44873313)

Oh, I forgot... Use this instead: "Free as in Liberty, not Free as in Promotional"

It's almost like one would have to purposefully try to be ambiguous to come up with the other phrase. "as in beer"? what does this even mean? Commerical beer or homebrew, or ancient beer or recipies for beer or actual beer?
Further: This is what you've done:
Free - Having Freedom
You don't define shit by using the term itself, morons.

RMS's ideals are grand, but his communication skills are terrible or just plain trolling.

Re:Quit using "free (as in beer)". (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44874371)

No, U!

Free (as in beer) has been in circulation for about 100 years (that I know of). Read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle for more. Basiclly, the etymology is that at bars in Packingtown in the 1910s, there was free lunch, but beer cost money. The catch was that the lunch was so salty that beer wasn't really a choice, hence, TANSTAAFL, hence free (as in beer).

Although now that I think about it, maybe it should be "Free (as in lunch)" instead?

Re:Quit using "free (as in beer)". (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44874017)

It would be better to stop using the word "free" to imply freedom of use. Withing the statement "free software" the word "free" applies to the word "software". If you meant freedom of use, that would make the statement mean the software is free to use itself however it sees fit. Which makes no sense as software is supposed to do exactly what it was told to do by the developers (and we also don't have fully self-aware strong a.i. yet, so we don't need to worry about that). Therefore, the only definition that makes sense is free of charge. Which means you just say "free".

Re:Quit using "free (as in beer)". (1)

azav (469988) | about a year ago | (#44883711)

Agreed. This term needs to die and stop being used. All the beer I know I have had to pay for.

The term means the opposite of what it was created for.

It's terrible. It's stupid. It contradicts itself. It needs to be removed from use.

Re:Quit using "free (as in beer)". (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44873427)

Who cares? free (as in beer) is a fun way to put it.

Re:Quit using "free (as in beer)". (1)

fisted (2295862) | about a year ago | (#44876027)

Additionally, any non-moron will automatically take it as ,,free as in free beer''.
GP is just a pedantic neckbeard.

Re:Quit using "free (as in beer)". (1)

azav (469988) | about a year ago | (#44883741)

No. Because that's not what it says.

It doesn't say, "free as in free beer". It says, "free as in beer".

Any non moron who gets beer usually pays for it.

The default state is that you pay for beer.

You are wrong.

Re:Quit using "free (as in beer)". (1)

fisted (2295862) | about a year ago | (#44914073)

No. Because that's not what it says.

Are you by any chance mentally retarded?

Any non moron who gets beer usually pays for it.

Yes. That doesn't change the fact that 'free beer' is commonly known from events, parties (maybe not so much in your mum's basement, i give you that.), and, in that context, unambiguously means 'gratis'.
And that is why anyone with at least half a brain understands 'free as in beer' is to be taken as 'free as in free beer'.

The default state is that you pay for beer.

This is completely irrelevant.

You are wrong.

You're special.

Re:Quit using "free (as in beer)". (1)

azav (469988) | about a year ago | (#44883719)

And it's wrong. It's meaningless and it's misleading.

Go to a store and ask for free beer.

Good luck.

So now we are waiting (1)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | about a year ago | (#44871929)

... for SkyNet?

Re:So now we are waiting (1)

stoploss (2842505) | about a year ago | (#44872157)

... for SkyNet?

No, that already exists [wordpress.com] . We're just waiting for the moment it becomes self-aware and inevitably concludes we are a threat.

Re:So now we are waiting (1)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | about a year ago | (#44873403)

Oh Gosh,

how do we prepare against that?

Re:So now we are waiting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44876383)

Skynet is up since 1995 [wikipedia.org] , that was _before_ Slashdot existed.

FUCK HIM! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44872461)

It isn't FLOSS so fuck him! Why should he make any money on his work! He should be put against a wall and SHOT, the capitalist piece of shit!

Re: Free as in beer (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44872701)

I am so sick of this. Since when is beer free? I spend $10/day on beer. Point me at the free beer. Can't? Stop effing talking about free beer you brain dead moron!

Re: Free as in beer (1)

fisted (2295862) | about a year ago | (#44876055)

free as in "free beer".
Was it so hard?

Syllable is the more interesting project (1)

Burz (138833) | about a year ago | (#44873753)

Taking architectural cues from AmigaOS and BeOS, its actually pretty attractive. Gobo Linux was another interesting one that should have gotten more attention.

Technically, Qubes is a desktop OS also. However, the hypervisor part of it is also a main UI feature and once a user acclimates to that they still have most of the Linux-isms to deal with.

Its great for techies though!

Just wait until Murdoch hears about it.... (1)

tapi0 (2805569) | about a year ago | (#44873883)

next article "SkyOS renamed after legal battle" (ref [slashdot.org] )

skyos free download (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44874609)

the site appears to be offline just now. Anyone hosting a mirror or repository somewhere?

Released on printed disc? (1)

dsyu (203328) | about a year ago | (#44874767)

Does anyone know if SkyOS ever had a "release" on a professionally printed CD/DVD? I can't seem to find actual evidence of this -- only the ability to download/burn a SkyOS Live CD.

Well, that's not good. (1)

azav (469988) | about a year ago | (#44883655)

All the beer I personally know I had to pay for.

This term, "free as in beer", needs to die in a fire.

It means the opposite of what it is supposed to mean.

Re:Well, that's not good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44889667)

It's a contraction of what RMS originally wrote [gnu.org] : "To understand the concept, you should think of 'free' as in 'free speech,' not as in 'free beer.'"

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