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Russian Government Takes Over Country's 289-year Old Scientific Academy

Unknown Lamer posted about 10 months ago | from the putin-rears-his-ugly-head-over-your-research dept.

Politics 192

ananyo writes "Russia's lower house of parliament, the State Duma, approved controversial reforms to the Russian Academy of Sciences (RAS) on 18 September. More than 330 members of the Duma voted in favor of the law, with only 107 against, in a move critics say will deprive the 289-year-old body of its independence and halt attempts to revitalize Russia's struggling science system. If, as is widely expected, the parliament's upper house and Russian President Vladimir Putin approve the law, the 436 institutes and 45,000 research staff of Russia's primary basic-research organization will be managed by a newly established federal agency that reports directly to Putin. The agency will manage the academy's 60-billion-rouble (US$1.9-billion) budget and extensive property portfolio, which includes lucrative sites in Moscow and St Petersburg, and will also have a say in the appointment of institute directors. 'This is not a reform — this is a liquidation of science in Russia,' says Alexander Kuleshov, director of the academy's Institute for Information Transmission Problems in Moscow."

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192 comments

Neat! (4, Funny)

dex22 (239643) | about 10 months ago | (#44897435)

My big take-home from this article is they have an "Institute for Information Transmission Problems" - a whole Institute just devoted to resolving poor communication.

They really got their message out!

Re:Neat! (1)

stanlyb (1839382) | about 10 months ago | (#44897547)

Like the one in Washington? The one about the "political science" b*****t?

Re:Neat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897595)

Institute for...
Information Transmission Problems in Moscow.

Re:Neat! (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about 10 months ago | (#44897613)

Institute for...
Information Transmission Problems in Moscow.

Avast, Putin be planning some rebadgin - Information We Have No Problems - Is Only You Institute. Arr. oX)P-|

Re:Neat! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897615)

My take-home is that there may be excellent Russian scientists working on all sorts of interesting projects who could be willing to work for the US instead - provided they can slip out of the country.

Re:Neat! (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about 10 months ago | (#44897815)

My take-home is that there may be excellent Russian scientists working on all sorts of interesting projects who could be willing to work for the US instead - provided they can slip out of the country.

The harder they make it for people to go about their life and jobs the easier it be makin' it for them t' jump ship. Arrr! ox)P-)

Re:Neat! (2)

interval1066 (668936) | about 10 months ago | (#44897857)

My take-home on this is that perhaps people are starting to question the Russian institutionalized fascination paranormal psuedo-science [google.com] .

Re:Neat! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897893)

This is the first time I will really support visa jobs program in U.S. Intellectal Scapgoat will lead to braindrain in Russia! Cold War 2.0 is on! Why funding Science in USA will defeat spooks/KGB.

that's just bad translation (1)

Scud (3015185) | about 10 months ago | (#44898077)

Think of it as an institute for communications studies.

And Putin continues (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about 10 months ago | (#44897439)

in his quest to turn Russia into a theocracy.

Re:And Putin continues (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897577)

Just as long as he throws faggots into the ovens I don't give a fuck what he tries to turn Russia into.
 
Faggots are a drain on heterosexual society. They spread diseases and try to strong arm their way into the culture by forcing their faggot ways on clean people. They cause social turmoil. They molest children. They eat the shit out of each others assholes.
 
BURN FAGGOTS BURN!

Re:And Putin continues (0)

sparkeyjames (264526) | about 10 months ago | (#44898255)

Well aren't you just cute. Your parents must be so proud to have brought up such a hateful little snowflake such as yourself.

Re:And Putin continues (-1, Troll)

jonfr (888673) | about 10 months ago | (#44897597)

No. Just normal mass murdering dictatorship. Before you know it we are going to be in World War 3 with Russia and Putin. It is just going to take few more years until that happens. Since Putin is not a stupid man and knows what he is doing.

Re:And Putin continues (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897703)

I think Putin is just going to push us into another cold war. He will likely die of heart failure before WW3 breaks out. I don't think anyone wants to put troops on the ground, but having an arms race will spur spending without the negative death aspects. I'm not saying that our USA's efforts aren't pushing for this either. We are giving foreign nations plenty of excuses to grasp for less open infrastructure and mitigate negative public opinion.

Re:And Putin continues (2, Insightful)

Nutria (679911) | about 10 months ago | (#44897683)

Edward Snowden must feel so proud of his newly adopted homeland.

Re:And Putin continues (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897743)

Since he was only granted temporary asylum, and is currently awaiting decisions on permanent asylum in 19 other countries. it is not clear how you get "his newly adopted homeland."

Re:And Putin continues (3, Insightful)

xevioso (598654) | about 10 months ago | (#44898337)

What basis do you have to believe that if he is granted asylum in one of those countries, Russia will allow him to leave?

Re:And Putin continues (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897873)

As an American, I assume, you must be proud that a whistle-blower has been forced to seek asylum in that goddamn place from the thuggish US government....

As an "American" scientist working abroad ... (0)

acidfast7 (551610) | about 10 months ago | (#44897917)

Snowden should be happy as the funding (success) rates are much better in Russia than the US. LOL at you for dragging Snowden into a science argument. Take a break from FOX "news."

Re:As an "American" scientist working abroad ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898069)

This isn't a science debate, this is a government policy debate. Are those "funding (success) rates" you speak of mainly government funding, as in Russian government funding? If so, do they have that much money, that few scientists, or are the awards small? I notice you used scare quotes around "American," ... I'll bet you're a "patriot" too, but which sort? Russian? There is more news on Fox than "insight" from you. Of course then there is the whole RT Putin "truth machine." LOL at you.

Re:As an "American" scientist working abroad ... (1)

acidfast7 (551610) | about 10 months ago | (#44898125)

LOL ... when you can talk science get back to me.

Re:As an "American" scientist working abroad ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898203)

In short, you've got nothing. LOL

Re:And Putin continues (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898001)

More likely he is ashamed that this new homeland is still preferable to the old.

Re:And Putin continues (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898083)

this new homeland is still preferable to the old

Only as seen through the lense of knee-jerk anti-Americanism.

If you seriously think Putin's Russia is any better than the USA on these issues, you haven't been paying attention.

Re:And Putin continues (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898047)

No, I'm sure several members of the US Senate and House of Representatives (generally the ones with "(R)" after their names on TV) are looking at this with some jealousy and can't wait to institute some measures of "necessary reform for the elitist scientific and research establishment in the US".

If they can't shame researchers and scientists with their usual demagoguery ("Proxmire Golden Fleece" awards), proclamations on the floor/CSPAN that make headlines "we wasted $100,000 on honey bee sex research!" (while blowing $billions/month on stupid military actions), etc., then this will do it.

or just look north for how the Canadian government is also going about it.

Hey, I know, let's hire the Wisconsin governor as head of the NSF/NIH/DOE all at once!

Re:And Putin continues (2)

Valdrax (32670) | about 10 months ago | (#44898093)

Edward Snowden must feel so proud of his newly adopted homeland.

Name a country from which he could reveal secrets about how the US government has been spying on its citizens and not get extradited and sent to jail which isn't on our "bad guys" list.

Yes, Snowden chose countries like China and Russia to make his stand from, but it's not like he had any other choices that would keep him from ending up like all the other whistleblowers this administration has gone after hard.

Re:And Putin continues (0)

Nutria (679911) | about 10 months ago | (#44898283)

Yes, Snowden chose countries like China and Russia to make his stand from

The same China that forced a blogger to praise internet censorship?
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/17/2158257/arrested-chinese-blogger-confesses-on-state-tv-praises-censorship [slashdot.org]

The same China and Russia that have nothing even remotely similar to the ACLU or the EFF?

Re:And Putin continues (5, Insightful)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | about 10 months ago | (#44898299)

Edward Snowden must feel so proud of his newly adopted homeland.

As if hiding from a blood-thirsty mob in a ditch constitutes an endorsement of ditch-living.

Snowden's first goal was to expose the NSA. His second is to remain alive and unimprisoned, and sadly his only options for that appear to be oppressive states. That's not an indictment of Snowden, it is an indictment of the so-called "free world."

Re:And Putin continues (1, Troll)

Nutria (679911) | about 10 months ago | (#44898495)

Snowden's first goal was to expose the NSA.

The NSA's job is to spy. So they spy. The country's borders are so open; they make a colander seem waterproof. Unfortunately for all and sundry, those who would do harm to the country don't walk around with flashing red lights on their heads. Thus, since it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff, they collect lots and lots of stuff, even on people living in the US. I AM UNAPOLOGETICALLY GLAD THEY DO SO, since they do not appear to share it with the FBI nor state+local police.

(The problem is that they then have the ability, like local & state police and the FBI, to track wives, ex-girlfriends, etc, etc. That's bad, but can be solved by more Internal Affairs oversight, not by throwing the baby out with the bathwater.)

Re:And Putin continues (1, Insightful)

Pav (4298) | about 10 months ago | (#44898797)

Sooo... because you don't trust your fellow man... you... put your trust in a group of your fellow men self-selected for a career in the spy game? *golf clap* Well played sir. THINK man... spying is separated into different agencies (foreign/domestic) etc... for a reason, and there's a reason those (now subverted) oversight courts exist.

There's only one thing that makes people put on an approximation of trustworthiness - accountability. Noone is arguing borders should be guarded, but the watchers should be watched. If the guard dog not only slipped its collar but broke the rules badly it should be punished.

Re:And Putin continues (1, Troll)

cavreader (1903280) | about 10 months ago | (#44898577)

His stated goal was to inform the US public about the governments data collection efforts and how they effected US citizens. The US constitution protects US citizens not foreign nationals. However, now he believes that he and a certain journalist are competent enough to determine whether any of the information collected on FOREIGN programs can harm the US if released. Who is he to make that decision? What is his definition of harm? His pet journalist hates the US with a vengeance and has no problem releasing anything, especially if it harms the US. He once had chance to negotiate with the US authorities and return to the US but he burned that bridge and has sealed his fate as an international fugitive for the remainder of his life. Every country in the world spies on both their enemies and allies and the US really doesn't have any allies so every one is fair game. If he was a Russian or Chinese he would have already been either imprisoned or killed. If he evaded them they would use his friends and families as hostages until he returned. Both countries have well documented instances of them using this tactic.

Re:And Putin continues (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about 10 months ago | (#44898813)

Wow, I can't believe you got modded up for that. It is just a big ball of hate, all invective, no reasoning at all.

Re:And Putin continues (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898621)

Since Snowden fled to what you describe as oppressive states, by your own logic then the "free world" is indeed the free world, and the indictment is of Snowden. Snowden's' goals in practice are no different than those of Kim Philby [telegraph.co.uk] . We will always be able to count on the Left and those who hate the West in general, and the US and UK in particular to hold Snowden as a hero. The Soviet Union failed and crumbled, but little has really changed.

Re:And Putin continues (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 10 months ago | (#44897707)

With himself as god, most likely.

Re:And Putin continues (2)

ackthpt (218170) | about 10 months ago | (#44897827)

With himself as god, most likely.

Avast! That scalawag Putin will most likely immanentize the eschaton or claim he has. Arr. ox)P-|

Re:And Putin continues (1)

sparkeyjames (264526) | about 10 months ago | (#44898247)

No it's an attempt by Putin to consolidate his power. All hail the new Russian dictator.
 

Re:And Putin continues (1)

peragrin (659227) | about 10 months ago | (#44898289)

nope not a theocracy.

ALL HAIL TSAR PUTIN. Heir to the Romanav's.

He even has secret palaces being built.

Rouble? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897469)

There's no Cyrillic 'o' in the Russian word; why would it come out "rouble" in the transliteration?

Re:Rouble? (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 10 months ago | (#44897539)

It would look too similar to "rubble". Although...

Re:Rouble? (1)

mirix (1649853) | about 10 months ago | (#44897589)

Same as there is no U in Rossiya, or no 'Greece' in Ellada. English has it's own name for some things, instead of direct transliteration.

Re:Rouble? (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | about 10 months ago | (#44897755)

Just as "there is no I in TEAM" (and, as some hearty individualists have pointed out "there is also no WE or US in TEAM, either, and certainly no YOU, but a crafty Boggle player could find MEAT and TAME") proves there is a cute saying for any occasion.
--
Sent from my Intersil 4004

Re:Rouble? (2)

Nutria (679911) | about 10 months ago | (#44897821)

there is also no WE or US in TEAM, either,

But ME certainly is.

Re:Rouble? (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | about 10 months ago | (#44898611)

Welcome to /., JarJar.

Re:Rouble? (2, Informative)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 10 months ago | (#44898003)

Not just English. It was common in Europe to have multiple names for various cities and regions, because they'd change ownership often, or the language would change locally but foreigners would keep the old names, etc. Ie, Frankreich, Allemagne.

(oblig pirate: Arrr!)

Egomania (-1, Troll)

David Govett (2825317) | about 10 months ago | (#44897483)

Putin's ego knows no bounds. Reminds me of what's-his-name occupying the White House.

Re:Egomania (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897541)

Reminds me of what's-his-name occupying the White House

George Bush

Re:Egomania (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897583)

Bill Clinton

Re:Egomania (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897591)

No, I think OP means the other warmongering surveillance-state authoritarian. You know, the guy currently squatting in the otherwise distinguished building.

Re:Egomania (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 10 months ago | (#44897587)

Don't you know? Putin is famous for his amazingly prescient scientific writings, just like his predecessors, comrades Lenin and Stalin. I can hardly wait how Puting trumps Lenin's work on the inexhaustibility of the electron. For the workers!

Re:Egomania (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897733)

Putin hold PhD in economics. Someone wrote it for him, it was a simple Russian translation of western article. (don't worry, he's dead. most likely killed himself). So, after that surfaced Putin fills like his scientific superiority is in danger. And he doesn't like or trust other scientists. Hence the strong wish to control and humiliate them all. I expect someone from his close circle to become the "main" scientist in Russia.

BTW, Chechen leader Kadyrov holds PhD too. Another genius ;)

Re:Egomania (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897861)

Ronald Reagan.

Man convinced us he killed communism.

He didn't.

True Bummer for our friends in Russia (3, Insightful)

sasparillascott (1267058) | about 10 months ago | (#44897495)

Our thoughts are with those folks, this just really sucks...cause it begs the question, how do you turn this around and there's no nice answer to that. Deeper into the dark Putin takes the country.

Re:True Bummer for our friends in Russia (-1, Troll)

stanlyb (1839382) | about 10 months ago | (#44897557)

I have to ask the obvious question: If everything was perfect till now, why there is no known famous Russian scientist?

Re:True Bummer for our friends in Russia (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897651)

I have to ask the obvious question: If everything was perfect till now, why there is no known famous Russian scientist?

Just because you were taught that all important discoveries were made by citizens of your country doesn't make it true. Go google "famous Russian scientists". On the Wikipedia page you'll find, grep "Nobel prize" and count the number of entries it returns. Then, come back here and apologize for asking an incredibly uninformed question.

Re:True Bummer for our friends in Russia (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 10 months ago | (#44897727)

+1 funny.

Re:True Bummer for our friends in Russia (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about 10 months ago | (#44897805)

I guess you might have heard of a few of them, actually. Quite a few things are named after Russian scientists, mostly in Physics and Biology. Why, I don't know. But if you spend some time looking at genetics and nuclear physics, you can't help but stumble upon quite a few of them. A lot of stuff in that area is named after Russians. Like, say, Pavel Cherenkov who discovered the radiation named after him (and actually earned him a Nobel Prize).

Re:True Bummer for our friends in Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897871)

Like Lev Landau?

Re:True Bummer for our friends in Russia (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 10 months ago | (#44897929)

The rest of the world still cant do what Lysenko did 50+ years ago. Because it was all bullshit. Command economies are broken.

Re:True Bummer for our friends in Russia (1)

Prune (557140) | about 10 months ago | (#44898509)

Mod parent up. Lysenkoism is a great example of Russian (Soviet, really) pseudoscience.

Re:True Bummer for our friends in Russia (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 10 months ago | (#44897879)

Just because a Russian didn't invent the smartphone, it does not follow that there are no famous Russian scientists. Broaden your horizons. Quite a number of 20th century math fields are almost entirely Russian. And hey, those rocket scientists, the ones that keep boosting out American astronauts into space - they're exclusively Russian.

Or, if you insist: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=famous+russian+scientists [lmgtfy.com]

Re:True Bummer for our friends in Russia (1)

TheSync (5291) | about 10 months ago | (#44898137)

How can you say there is no known famous Russian scientist?

Trofim Lysenko ("Lysenkoism")
Aleksandr Oparin ("Oparin hypothesis")
Ivan Pavlov ("Pavlovian conditioning")
Pafnuti Chebyshev ("Chebyshev polynomials")
Leonhard Euler (OK, Swiss by birth, but did lots of good math in St. Petersburg)
Andrey Kolmogorov ("Kolmogorov complexity")
Aleksandr Lyapunov ("Lyapunov stability")
Andrey Markov Sr. ("Markov chains")
Andrei Sakharov (thermonuclear weapons)
Heinrich Lenz ("Lenz's law")
Alexei Yuryevich Smirnov ("Mikheyevâ"Smirnovâ"Wolfenstein neutrino oscillations")
Pavel Alekseyevich Cherenkov ("Cherenkov radiation")

Re:True Bummer for our friends in Russia (1)

stanlyb (1839382) | about 10 months ago | (#44898275)

Man, name one name who is not older than my grand-grandgrandpa, please.

Re:True Bummer for our friends in Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898505)

Sergey Brin

Re:True Bummer for our friends in Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897673)

That's not what begging the question means.

In other news, Putin inaugurates Ministry of Truth (5, Insightful)

Raved Thrad (1864414) | about 10 months ago | (#44897501)

"NYET! We will no longer allow science to tell us what the laws that govern the universe are! Starting today, it is the law that will govern science!!"

Nice propaganda piece (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897505)

tell me America is so better? Maybe but only if you are a gay!

Government Revitalization of Science (2)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | about 10 months ago | (#44897509)

Well, this should prevent any resurgence of Lysenkoism or other such quackery. This puts Russian science in the forefront of government revitalization of science right along with the forward thinkers in the Canadian government.

Soon to come... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897513)

New scientific reports from Russia of what homosexuality is bad.

CAPTCHA: targets

Single-Payer Science (-1, Troll)

PapayaSF (721268) | about 10 months ago | (#44897533)

Isn't single-payer supposed to be more "efficient"? I keep hearing that about health care.

Re:Single-Payer Science (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897601)

I'm a bit puzzled, but isn't that how science is effectively funded in western countries. Not having read the source article I suspect what is happening in Russian is different in tone. Why conflate with health care?

Incidentally, I'm from a country with single payer health care have the same concerns as any vigilant and responsible citizen. No system can be perfect, so it's monitored and debated. So, what's your implicit point?

[I could be wrong but based on your comments I conclude you're a simpleton. Simultaneously, I can also imagine that you're not alone. Though this discussion is about science, those like you cannot separate their "religious" positions from reality.]

Re:Single-Payer Science (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897751)

I believe his point was that there those who argue that governments should have bigger stakes in certain endeavors like NASA in the US, but everyone here seems to be lamenting that this is the end of science because the state is taking full control of this program - which being russia I'm assuming was fully government funded before anyway, just more autonomous from direction by the duma.

Re:Single-Payer Science (4, Interesting)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 10 months ago | (#44897927)

I believe his point was that there those who argue that governments should have bigger stakes in certain endeavors like NASA in the US, but everyone here seems to be lamenting that this is the end of science because the state is taking full control of this program - which being russia I'm assuming was fully government funded before anyway, just more autonomous from direction by the duma.

The Russian Academy of Sciences has had moderate autonomy in terms of spending. They've never been funded to a level commensurate with perceived need (sound familiar?) but they had quite a bit of leeway in terms of funding individual projects. That has never been completely true, of course - the military has often worked through the Academy on projects they're interested in (and funded). The Politburo has had significant input into how various fields are funded. What appears to be the issue is that the Institute Directors will be potentially political appointees, responsible to His Glorious Putiness. We may be seeing many more studies on wrestling and tigers.

Re:Single-Payer Science (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about 10 months ago | (#44897687)

The problem isn't who pays, it's who calls the shots.

But, since you were either incapable of that basic bit of reading comprehension or chose to intentionally attempt to make this a politics issue, nothing you say is worth paying attention to anyhow.

Re:Single-Payer Science (1)

PapayaSF (721268) | about 10 months ago | (#44897781)

"He who has the gold, makes the rules."

And try to laugh more.

Re:Single-Payer Science (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898115)

In practice, Replace gold with USD!

Re:Single-Payer Science (1)

Arker (91948) | about 10 months ago | (#44898109)

They are one and the same. Who pays the piper, calls the tune.

Makes sense (5, Interesting)

GODISNOWHERE (2741453) | about 10 months ago | (#44897535)

They probably noticed that scientists can do things like prove [pnas.org] that Russian elections are rigged.

Re:Makes sense (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897631)

Are you one of those guys who likes to take turds from your boyfriend and shove them up your own asshole?

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897693)

I suspect that the abbreviation for Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) is what prompted this troll to make a post about coprophila.

I guess they're following in Canada's footsteps (5, Informative)

msobkow (48369) | about 10 months ago | (#44897569)

Harper has been muzzling Canadian scientists for a long time, cutting their budgets, axing research, and so on.

Czar Putin (4, Insightful)

Required Snark (1702878) | about 10 months ago | (#44897617)

I read this just before I looked at Slashdot

Russian President Vladimir Putin said he didn't exclude running for a fourth term, in a move that would pave the way for him to remain in power until 2024.

Wall Street Journal [wsj.com]

The article states that he's 61 years old, so this is more or less "president for life". If he lasts another 10 years he'll just do it again, or not even bother to hold an election.

Russia's slide will continue if this happens. Of course the US has a similar problem with entrenched elites wrecking the economy for their own personal gain [chicagotribune.com] .

Heh. (5, Insightful)

mirix (1649853) | about 10 months ago | (#44897623)

The TFA seems to imply the RAS has been wholly independent for 289 years, which is obviously not the case... It was founded by the tsar who I'd imagine had some sway.

That and oh... it lived through the soviet union, which certainly had control.

Truly a shame (5, Insightful)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about 10 months ago | (#44897697)

This is truly a shame. Back during the Cold War the question was often posed, is Russia the most backward advanced country in the world, or the most advanced backward country in the world. However, despite being cursed with horrid systems of government and an inability to make washing machines, anybody who knew anything admired their accomplishments in science and math. Now Putty Poot wants to kill that? He's a traitor.

Re:Truly a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898261)

He's a traitor.

We finally see where your heart lies even when your lips don't.

Re:Truly a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898345)

an inability to make washing machines

You mean like these [yandex.ru] ?

In Soviet Russia... (3, Interesting)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about 10 months ago | (#44897741)

In Soviet Russia... this academy had more freedom than it does now.

Wow.

Re:In Soviet Russia... (1)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | about 10 months ago | (#44897931)

Hahahaha... no.

Please, read something about sharaga's [wikipedia.org] , and think about reconsidering your statement.

a new place to send the bribes to? (1)

pesho (843750) | about 10 months ago | (#44897811)

60-billion-rouble (US$1.9-billion) budget and extensive property portfolio, which includes lucrative sites in Moscow and St Petersburg

So it is not about the quality or independence of science. It is about who will be collecting, hmm what's the word ... "royalties"?.... on the management of the budget and the properties.

Re:a new place to send the bribes to? (1)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | about 10 months ago | (#44897947)

Bingo! Most of these "poor oppressed academicians" are quite rich people, even by European/USA standards. Of course they don't want to lose their income.

Stalin returns? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897817)

Russia is quickly going back to the days of Stalin. Bit by bit the dictatorship is being reformed and soon they will pass the tipping point where anything can be done to stop it. If I was Russian, I would be very afraid.

Reform is unavoidable, and has to be done quickly. (5, Informative)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | about 10 months ago | (#44897833)

Really biased summary and somewhat biased article. RAS is simply afraid of losing their luxurous "recreational complexes" - private villas of said academicians and "research institutes", which are mostly just "cheap offices for rent" right now. Our science is going down the drain for the last... 30-40 years, or even more, and all these old soviet-era "academicians" are much more old-school bureaucrats than scientists. Truly clever and talented people all left Russia in 90-s, leaving mostly conservative old-timers and not-so-bright yesterday students. One of the vice-presidents of RAS is known to support some absolutely fraudulent projects, like "Petrik's water filters" - and these people are saying something about liquidation of science?

I am not a supporter of Putin and his little auto-/pluto-cratic system of government, but this reform is something long-needed, almost essential for our science. With the 40-50 years old mindset you cannot innovate, you cannot truly create something new, perform some cutting-edge experiments and achieve true breakthroughs. Only with adaptation of new policies, with adequate pay and real prospects of work for the young scientists we can hope to see our science pull itself out of its current horrible state. And this time, as preposterous as it sounds, Putin is on the side of progress. Of course there is no clearly defined "good guy" in this whole situation, but RAS in its modern form is much worse than almost anything that can replace it.

Re:Reform is unavoidable, and has to be done quick (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44897911)

Ok Mr. Putin, your objection is noted.

Re:Reform is unavoidable, and has to be done quick (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898875)

It probably needs a reform, but that doesn't means it needs this reform. Dictators are good at giving good reasons for their power grab, and then totally ignoring the good reasons.

in soviet russia (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 10 months ago | (#44897863)

we take over you!

Who runs Russia? (2)

onebeaumond (1230624) | about 10 months ago | (#44897913)

Most would say the Russian Mafia. Putin is their Ronald Reagan professional actor-leader. But there are no Italians in Russia, so who are these Mafia people? Well, they are the "businessmen" of course. That's businessmen, with big scary quotes. Not really the greatest fans of scientists, unless they can build them a cool looking yacht.

Liquidation of science (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about 10 months ago | (#44898541)

TFA quotes:

This is not a reform — this is a liquidation of science in Russia

Wasn't that supposed to have been done during the Boris Yeltsin era?

Look out Russian environment! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898569)

You being targeted for a Soviet style mass destruction. All those pesky scientists saying having an environment is good be will silenced!

Private sector funding. (1)

iiiears (987462) | about 10 months ago | (#44898701)

It seems possible that government funding is as responsive to the private sector and there will be more money available to researchers when they can more easily accept corporate donations. That is just my 2 ruble opinion.

Stupid is as stupid does... (3, Interesting)

KlomDark (6370) | about 10 months ago | (#44898771)

Is this whole damn planet just gonna get stupid now? This is not at all what they showed us in Star Trek. Damn, 40 years ago we are putting people on the moon, now it's just global navel gazing from here on out. Yeee haaawww.

Fuck, we are screwed.

same thing happening here in the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44898927)

It's just implemented by defunding government funded science and making sure that honest scientists can't report results without being fired. Same result - feedback from reality is suppressed in favor of short term economic and political gains.

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