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Ask Slashdot: Is iOS 7 Slow?

timothy posted about a year ago | from the mine-still-seems-hypothetical dept.

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New submitter PopHollywood writes "Is iOS 7 slower than version 6? After upgrading, myself and a few others notice slow, choppy experience when scrolling, changing apps, etc. Is this common?" For those using iOS in general, what's been your experience with the new upgrade?

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yawn (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915303)

More iCrap
more eye candy = slower on same hardware, what else did you expect

Re:yawn (2, Informative)

immaterial (1520413) | about a year ago | (#44915447)

I wouldn't say there's much more eye candy, but a lot of what there is you can at least turn off ("reduce motion" and "increase contrast" in the settings should turn off the parallax effects and translucent blurs, respectively).

That said, I notice no slowdowns on my iPhone 5 or 3rd gen iPad. Everything runs quite smoothly (though unsurprisingly it didn't during the betas).

Re:yawn (5, Insightful)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year ago | (#44915527)

From what I can see there is a *lot* more eye candy (and I'm not talking about the icon changes) - it seems like the decided they needed to animate every single action and control in the OS now. Not to mention transparency, animated blur effects (especially in the camera), etc.

I don't notice any slowdown from it, though - seems like they are using the 3D HW to do it, and the latest devices have pretty decent graphics. In fact, the perception is often that it's faster (which is the point of transition animation) but that's just a subjective observation...

Re:yawn (4, Insightful)

calzones (890942) | about a year ago | (#44915707)

All these new animations drive me batty.

Sure, you see something happen right away in response to an action, so in a sense, you have instant feedback. If that makes you think things are happening faster, lucky you.

Because my iPhone 5, when it was running iOS 6 felt faster to me because any action I took translated to a change of UX paradigm right away where I could take yet another action. Hence, I'm working faster. Now with animations, I have to wait for each animation before I can take my next action. That feels slower to me.

Worst offender is the new lock screen. Why did they decide to make me wait an extra 1/2-1 seconds after hitting the power or home button to turn it on so that can "gracefully" fade in from black before giving me access to the "slide to unlock"? It's maddening.

Re:yawn (4, Insightful)

Cryacin (657549) | about a year ago | (#44915793)

You have to admire apple for their ingenuity. What better way to force people to ditch that old phone than to update the OS, make it more resource hungry with fancy schmancy animations that can't be turned off by the user? I used to own an iPhone 3 a few years ago, and when they forced an update onto it that basically made it useless, I decided there and then to switch to Android. Never looked back.

If the Apple way is so important to you, then I guess you have to accept it. For me, it was a simple choice.

Re:yawn (5, Insightful)

bkmoore (1910118) | about a year ago | (#44915811)

You have to admire apple for their ingenuity. What better way to force people to ditch that old phone than to update the OS, make it more resource hungry...

That's been going on for as long as there has been a computer industry.

Re:yawn (1)

Sable Drakon (831800) | about a year ago | (#44915709)

I dunno. Can't get faster than instant. Which is why I'm glad I can turn off so much of the useless animations in Android.

Re:yawn (5, Informative)

immaterial (1520413) | about a year ago | (#44915751)

I think you're forgetting how much animation there was in iOS 6 just because you got used to it, whereas the iOS 7 ones are different and are therefore noticeable. Other than the parallax effect and the translucence/blur, which I'd already mentioned, where else are there animations/eye candy where there weren't before? Folders opened with an animation (slide up rather than zoom in), the springboard loaded with an animation (swoop in from the sides rather than fall in from above), views slid from one to the next before just as they do now. And you're forgetting the subtle skeumorphic animations in certain controls that are now gone altogether, like the shine on the metallic volume slider knob that tracked the motion of the phone.

It's not that I don't think ios 7 puts more strain on the hardware - it does, especially with the translucent blur (which is why the blur is disabled on the iPhone 4). I just don't think it qualifies as "more eye candy." Mostly *different* eye candy, the worst of which is disableable if you need to improve performance.

Re: yawn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915655)

If MS did this they would be crucified not praised like crapple

Dude, (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915305)

you're scrolling it wrong.

Re:Dude, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915549)

Kind of funny. I was reading on Facebook some people posting tutorials on how to improve speed and battery life. But hey, everyone is happy seems like they didn't remove the start button or something.

Re:Dude, (0)

Pausanias (681077) | about a year ago | (#44915809)

No issues on an iPhone 5. It's been a joy to use and a breath of fresh air---the UI was 5 years old and getting really stale.

I'd been really getting bored of my iPhone and *gasp* using it only in a very utilitarian manner for quite some years. Now I actually turn it on again because all the fades and swimming bubbles and blurs are actually quite damned cool to look at. It's fun using it again.

Its fine (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915311)

Its fine.

Re:Its fine (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915635)

Its fine.

its wet here
and iOS7 sucks donkey balls too!

Been seeing lots of issues on upgraded phones (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915313)

I work in a field where I see a lot of mobile devices and we've been seeing a lot of issues with iPhone 4/4S/5 units that had iOS 6 and were upgraded to iOS 7. Haven't come across too many 5C/S units yet but the few we have seem to be doing okay (no real issues with the 5S, 5C seems a little stuttery at times but not bad).

Re:Been seeing lots of issues on upgraded phones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915381)

The 5C has innards identical to the 5.

Re:Been seeing lots of issues on upgraded phones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915421)

Yeah. I'm thinking maybe it has to do with being upgraded and not clean installed (or fully restored via iTunes). All the ones I've seen with issues were OTA'd.

Re:Been seeing lots of issues on upgraded phones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915439)

Yeah. My guess is it has something to do with being upgraded rather than factory-installed or clean-installed via iTunes. All the ones I've dealt with os far were OTA'd.

Re:Been seeing lots of issues on upgraded phones (2)

BLKMGK (34057) | about a year ago | (#44915551)

In my case i had a whole slew of issues that showed up with IOS6. MMS stopped working, iMessage over data didn't work, data dropped constantly and I had to toggle roaming to regain it - just lots of stuff. None of this occurred with my iPad 2 just my 4S. I had been told that a "hard reset" would fix it and indeed the Apple store did it - which pretty much wiped out EVERYTHING on the phone but it worked great except I'd pretty much burned down my house to get there. So I pulled a backup and restored it - problems came back too. I had pretty much resolved myself to swapping hardware anyway and figured that would be a good time to burn the house.

IOS7 came out and I figured what the heck, I wasn't going to JB this unit anyway so I upgraded - just like I'd done through all of the 6.x point releases. ALL of the issues I've been able to test so far are gone! I was shocked to say the least. Now I had heard that some others were having the same issues but hadn't ever spoken to anyone face to face about it. I'd guess that apple heard about it enough to track them down and solve them - this is awesome! I still haven't tested visual VM but I suspect that's my carrier screwing up.

I'm pretty happy with the performance on my 4S. I've heard others complain however and also claim that it charges slower or doesn't hold a charge as long for them - I'm not experiencing this. I'm half tempted to stick with the 4S except I want the faster CPU and larger screen size. Maybe I'll be able to do some side by side comparisons once the hardware show up but for now the 4S is holding me fine :-)

Re:Been seeing lots of issues on upgraded phones (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915615)

A 'hard reset' is just a cold boot- it forces all apps and the OS to shut down immediately, and reboots the device. You do it by holding the Home and Sleep/Wake buttons down.

You seem to be referring to a Restore- that resets the device to factory settings, wiping all content. That's done through iTunes.

And if the problems came back when your backup was restored, then obviously there was something wrong with what was restored.

Apple is trying.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915315)

... to keep up with windows performance.

Which iDevice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915319)

I notice some slugishness with iPad2, but I think it is my predisposition to thinking any new iOS version is bound to be slower on the same hardware.

wouldn't be the first time.... (2, Informative)

Luthair (847766) | about a year ago | (#44915331)

That Apple has pushed out updates to hardware that couldn't really handle it. They've done this both to computers and I phones.

Re:wouldn't be the first time.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915339)

What better way to get you to upgrade

Re:wouldn't be the first time.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915449)

to Android

Re:wouldn't be the first time.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915669)

or Windows /shot

Re:wouldn't be the first time.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915643)

you little shite. can you even begin to comprehend how much human effort is involved in
something like this. if its less than perfect there may not have been enough time, or
enough effort, or enough freedom. every single project is predestined to failure.

suck it up and work, or shut the fuck up.

Slower on my iPhone 4... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915335)

...especially after a reboot. Seems to get better as my commonly used apps are stored in RAM, but still choppy in areas such as switching apps through the multitask menu and occasionally when starting to type, which is far more annoying. Absolutely fine on my iPad 3 though.

There's room for improvement, but I'm not exactly displeased.

Great work tim (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915337)



Re:Great work tim (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915395)



If I had his job I'd be drunk too. Matter of fact, I don't have a job and I'm drunk. But I still wouldn't let that through. Fucktard, indeed.

Yep (5, Informative)

AdamHaun (43173) | about a year ago | (#44915349)

There seem to be two different kinds of slowdown. The first is due to the new animations for things like going back to the home screen. The second is more intermittent, and happens mostly when task switching. Both of them are annoying. The whole reason I went with iOS over Android was the snappier UI.

The disappearing Safari toolbar also drives me crazy. I wish I had held off on upgrading. Hopefully Apple will have some tweaks and patches out soon.

Re:Yep (3, Informative)

sheddd (592499) | about a year ago | (#44915481)

Yea I've had iOS7 on a couple devices since WWDC; it wasn't painful on an iPhone 4S IMO... and it's no longer painful on a mini IMO... battery life was terrible; battery's better now that they've removed a lot of debugging stuff but still significantly worse than 6 on older devices.... I got a new iPhone, and the battery's better with iOS7 than my 4S was with iOS6... maybe some of the battery saving measures they took only work on the new chip.

Re:Yep (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915519)

The whole reason I went with iOS over Android was the snappier UI.

I think you must have tried the wrong Android hardware then.

Re:Yep (5, Informative)

FuzzNugget (2840687) | about a year ago | (#44915767)

The whole reason I went with iOS over Android was the snappier UI.

This may have been true a few years ago with Android handsets generally being underpowered, but the hardware caught up a while ago already.

I have a Nexus 4 and, aside from the rare hangup which happens on any OS, everything is just instant. Transitions are smooth and clean, apps load effortlessly, scrolling is incredibly responsive.

My dad's iPhone feels sluggish and cumbersome by comparison.

yes slower. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915351)

Yep slower. I have iOS 7 on iPAD 3 + iPhone 5, both now run much choppier just using it.
All that fancy fading and field blurs take thier toll.

A look at memory usage shows about an extra 50-60mb used at startup too.
From memory almost every iOS version has made my iOS Devices slower, seems to be apples incentive to make you buy a new device :)

Not new (5, Insightful)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#44915353)

I've kept an iPod touch 2G and 4G around for a while—and I can say with some confidence that every single release of iOS has come with a palpable performance penalty. That's how Apple decides when to stop releasing iOS for a given device; the performance gets unacceptably awful.

Almost seems purposeful (4, Informative)

incom (570967) | about a year ago | (#44915355)

Since the iphone 3g, apple has been pushing updates that slow down older phones.

Re:Almost seems purposeful (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915579)

Too much cool-aid me thinks.

So you're saying that Apple shouldn't add any new features? You know - those pesky features slow down performance...

Look, over the years, i've kicked enough Apple fanboys in the balls - and I defend Apple against idiotic arguments. I would suggest that 99.9% of the population who use smart phones would endorse new features at the cost of performance. I'll assume you're the 0.1% in this instance.

Also, while i'm at it, IOS7 really does suck, but not for performance reasons.

Re:Almost seems purposeful (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915663)

Since the iphone 3g, apple has been pushing updates that slow down older phones.

A (premium) hardware and software vendor continues to push the software envelope with more and more features (a constant demand)...users of older generation hardware demand to not be left in the dust...thus newer software causes performance hit on older hardware, eventually forcing customers to purchase new (premium) hardware from none other than the same vendor.

[Apple CFO] I'm sorry, what drugs are you taking to consider something wrong with this (obscenely profitable) model?

Re:Almost seems purposeful (1)

organgtool (966989) | about a year ago | (#44915789)

I experienced that firsthand. Luckily I waited until I went to trade in the phone before loading iOS 4 on my iPhone 3G because it turned out to be unusably slow. All of the articles I read stated that iOS 4 ran great on an iPhone 3G, but I couldn't even scroll through the home screens without severe lag, even with a clean install of iOS with no apps.

However, foregoing the update had negative side effects of its own. I was unable to install many apps because they required the new version of iOS and older versions of those apps were unavailable on the App Store. There's nothing like needing to update iOS to get a new app, update iTunes to update iOS, possibly update Mac OS to get the latest iTunes, and eventually upgrade hardware to get support for the latest version of Mac OS. I'm not sure if all of that is still required, but it certainly didn't seem to live up to Apple's standards for being user-friendly.

Works just fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915357)

It seems to be working just fine on my iPad Mini and iPhone 5. Perhaps identifying the hardware would be enlightening?

Apple's strategy is for you to upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915373)

The last iPhone I had (3G) got patched just prior to the new model I was considering at the time, the iPhone 4. That software patch introduced close to unbearable lag and felt like a deliberate and underhanded ploy by Apple to suggest an upgrade to new hardware. That became the last iPhone I have owned.

I have not put it past Apple to consider it a deliberate act of sabotage.

Re:Apple's strategy is for you to upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915591)

I don't think there's any point in doing so. I doubt most app developers support versions that Apple is no longer supporting.

Apple OS Upgrade Expectations (OSX & iOS) (2)

ryanw (131814) | about a year ago | (#44915379)

When upgrading my mac computers I have always seen a significant boost in performance on the same hardware (obviously).

When upgrading the iOS devices I have found the opposite to be true. Each new version, on existing hardware, is slower but the feature set expands incredibly.

I think this is because iOS started out as an infant and did what it was supposed to do really well and performed really well on the hardware it was designed on, and had features that only worked on the existing hardware. But as iOS has matured, so has the feature set.... There are incredible search engines, graphics engines, Siri, and tons more... this has required increasing hardware capabilities to keep up with the features. .... So the trick with iOS is don't expect to get performance gains with iOS updates unless you update your hardware at the same time. Each new iOS version brings new bells and whistles, but not performance. With each iOS capable hardware device you should expect significant performance boosts.

Re:Apple OS Upgrade Expectations (OSX & iOS) (1)

mendax (114116) | about a year ago | (#44915471)

When upgrading my mac computers I have always seen a significant boost in performance on the same hardware (obviously).

That has not always been my experience. I upgraded my maxed out 5 year old iMac from Snow Leopard directly to Mountain Lion and it's noticeably more sluggish. But going from Leopard to Snow Leopard was a big improvement, probably because of the 64-bit kernel. It seems that unless the OS takes advantage of some hitherto unused hardware capability it's slower.

So, my conclusion is this: Upgrade == New heights in the development and marketing of Bloatware.

Re:Apple OS Upgrade Expectations (OSX & iOS) (1)

mendax (114116) | about a year ago | (#44915489)

I did a great job of writing this article. The first line is a the quote, the rest is my alleged contribution to this discussion. And I properly looked at the preview this time.

Control Center (2)

dinsdale3 (579466) | about a year ago | (#44915385)

I haven't noticed any general slowness on an iPhone 5.

However, there does seem to be an issue with the new Control Center. I have noticed sluggish responsiveness from buttons on the bottom of the screen in certain apps, presumably due to a conflict with the Control Center which can be activated by an upwards swipe from the bottom of the screen. Turning off the Control Center within apps (Settings/Control Center/Access within apps) fixed this issue for me while still retaining functionality from the main and lock screens.

Re:Control Center (1)

mikeroySoft (1659329) | about a year ago | (#44915785)

I've been noticing that too... in Google Hangouts, for example, the 'send' button has to be accurately pushed and held for longer than other buttons to register properly.

Actually faster... (4, Interesting)

TechDock (558245) | about a year ago | (#44915401)

Maybe I'm the only one, but my iPhone 4S is actually working faster now. Transitions in and out of apps is much quicker, without the delay I had before.

Re:Actually faster... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915457)

My iPhone 5 seems faster with iOS7 than before,too. I'm quite happy with the changes.

Re:Actually faster... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915505)

Same, my 4S seems faster - although my 5 seems slower.

Not so much slowness (4, Interesting)

jandrese (485) | about a year ago | (#44915405)

I've not noticed excessive stutter on my 4s, but battery life seems to be worse thus far. I've not had iOS 7 installed long enough to be sure, but it looks like even with my typical workday activity the battery is draining noticably faster. Getting two days out of a charge doesn't look possible anymore.

iPhone 4 Issue (1)

Jacob Leclerc (2876617) | about a year ago | (#44915409)

Imoa the iPhone 4 should not be ugraded to iOS7 as it does lower the quality of the usage. The iPhone 4S and above seem to have more than enough power to make the UI flawless.

Re:iPhone 4 Issue (1, Informative)

ericdano (113424) | about a year ago | (#44915495)

And you're proof of this is what?

I installed iOS 7 on a iPhone 4 about a week ago (the GM version) and the user of the phone has noticed nothing bad, and in fact says it seems faster than iOS 6 was. PLUS they love a lot of the new features of it.

Yes, Pop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915423)

Yourself and a few others are always right. About everything. So yes.

Depends on your hardware of course! (1)

iamacat (583406) | about a year ago | (#44915429)

I seriously doubt iOS7 is slow on iPhone 5s/5c. Now on iPhone 4, you should only be upgrading if you really need new features or must have consistency with your other devices, not with expectations of great performance. I the later case, you should probably have stuck with iOS5.

It's perfectly fine for me on iPhone 5 or iPad 2.

Re:Depends on your hardware of course! (1)

memeplex (910698) | about a year ago | (#44915771)

Phhht. Stuck with iOS 5? Based on what? iOS 6 ran great on the iPhone 4 and iOS 7 runs great on it, too. The fanciest visual effects that would've over-taxed the hardware are turned off automatically. For me, and for others I've spoken with, it's running flawlessly.

Re:Depends on your hardware of course! (1)

mikeroySoft (1659329) | about a year ago | (#44915807)

It is as slick as can be on the 5S. Everything is smooth. Battery lasted all day with constant LTE use. I've been using Google Maps navigating around all day.
There's some software glitchy-ness going on here and there (going back to the 'home' screen 'jitters' at the end of the animation as it resets the image for the parallax effect), but I expect that to be resolved in updates. Some inconsistencies with the keyboards too, but devs will have to update their apps to use the new 'flat' style.

What I would like, however, is to be able to swipe up and instead of pulling up Control Center, I want the multi-tasker. Ideally, let me pick what each directional swipe can do... Maybe I want to double-tap home for Notifications, pull down for Control Center, and swipe up for multi-tasking... 4-finger swipe up on an iPad is okay but I find my fingers 'skipping' on the way up a bunch if my hands are too dry or something, causing the gesture to not be recognized.

Yes, but only on older devices (1)

PHPNerd (1039992) | about a year ago | (#44915441)

I had an iPhone 4S and I upgraded to iOS7. I noticed the slower animations and choppier UI right away. It was one of the things that made me very happy that I was ready for an upgrade. My new iPhone 5S performs perfectly, with the smooth UI and animations that I have come to expect from Apple. It seems like the older hardware just can't support it.

Scrolling Issue Related To Bluetooth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915453)

I had glitching issues when scrolling and I found these went away by disabling Bluetooth.

For me (iPhone 5) it's working very well. (1)

gmpassos (1193401) | about a year ago | (#44915465)

I use iPhone 5, and for me is working very well, no slow down or battery issues. But I disabled many background applications, and have a small amount of applications in notification center. I don't know how 4S is handling that yet. I haven't disabled anything, I just always used almost nothing in notification center. So, yes, I'm using parallax effect (you should use a bigger wallpaper than previously to really see the effect). One thing, what is your device? How can we know if this is a 4/4S issue or is an issue for any device? It is random? It depends of your installed applications? One thing we really know, each device has a strong difference in speed performance and CPU capabilities.

Is iOS 7 slow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915473)

Does the Tin Man have a sheet metal cock?

Yes (0)

Kohath (38547) | about a year ago | (#44915477)

Flaws in Apple products are big news. Similar flaws in non-Apple products ... not news.

And yeah, it's probably slower. There are a lot more zooms and fades and animations for various transitions between apps and such.

Re:Yes (2)

hedwards (940851) | about a year ago | (#44915641)

That's a false equivalency. Apple controls the whole process, they design the hardware and set the specifications, they write the software for iOS and they decide which devices will receive upgrades. Plus, Apple doesn't typically release dozens of different models at any given time.

Whereas neither Android nor Windows mobile is so vertically integrated.

Re:Yes (2)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#44915769)

Also, android handsets don't get new OS releases 3 years later to compare.

Nope (1)

ericdano (113424) | about a year ago | (#44915483)

I was using the Betas of iOS since b3, and have the current version on my iPhone 5. It's as fast if not faster. And the battery life has been a LOT better.

I also installed iOS on an iPhone 4 for someone, and they noticed right away that it seemed a whole lot snappier.

Re:Nope (1)

kaz911 (3158849) | about a year ago | (#44915733)

I have to agree - IOS7 on iPad 3, iPad 4 and iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S - is both snappier on all devices and battery lasts a LOT longer. There is the occasional "bump" where IF becomes unresponsive for a few seconds - like setting wall papers. And the only negatives are the new 3x3 max icons in a folder - and the new scroll up for "settings" as it is not clever enough to detect you scrolling up on a page. And once could argue about the colour choices made... But all in all works much better than IOS 6.1.3

reboot the phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915487)

sounds stupid but on my iphone 4 the animations aren't choppy anymore after i rebooted it, i don't know why but it is what it is

Yay for waiting! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915511)

I am running an Ipod Touch 5th gen, one of my favorite apps said not to update until they could put out a compatibility patch, and I'm glad that it stopped me after reading all of this! Thanks Slashdot, I'll wait a while yet.

IOS 7 on an iPhone 4S (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915529)

I upgraded from 6.1.3 and noticed that it was a lot slower, all of the transitions look terrible and the phone seems to struggle with everyday use.
iOS 7 does have improvements in several aspects, for example, battery life has improved greatly.
I decided to give my iPhone a full reset so it didn't have as much load from the previous install and the speed has improved but there's some sluggishness feel to it anyway.

Apple's way of saying: time to upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915535)

If you didn't want to get screwed up the a*** you shouldn't have gone Apple. These are the types of things you should expect from companies whom shove proprietary *crap* down your throat. I avoid any devices / companies which do this. Android isn't great either although there are at least phones I can get that will allow me to install other distributions and a more significant amount of the code is available.

My most recent phone is the ZTE "Open", a FireFox OS phone, that consists of mostly free software. Now my only real objection to it is the non-free wifi drivers and possibly the interface to the GSM modem (the modem firmware isn't ever going to be free on any phone due to FCC regulations). There is one other issue I think I have with it. The non-free GSM modem can probably access the CPU and memory making it a privacy nightmare (like every other, or most other phones).

The other issue might be the GSM modems ability to access the MIC without my permission. I'm by no means surprised by what I received. I think Mozilla only half gets it. Ideally Mozilla would have had a stipulation attached to the use of the logo / branding that mandated the use of free software drivers (for wifi & graphics). I'm not sure how realistic that would have been to achieve given low demand and costs. I think it may have required 20 million US dollars or more to fix just some of the privacy issues (modem's ability to access CPU/RAM, and MIC /wo permission). Obviously the phone would still be a tracking device short of some ability for the phone to convert into a 'call out' only device and/or a device that was more email like than phone (lets the user request a connection to the GSM network and request download of email). The user would still be tracked whenever they accessed the network although they wouldn't be tracked unless they accessed the network which would still be a huge advantage for the privacy conscious and consumers everywhere.

Fine on 4s (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915543)

Haven't felt any slowness on my 4s

Only for non-Apple apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915555)

There is some new scrolling feature that is only implemented for things like Safari. Chrome, FF and all the other apps still have the slower, choppier, shittier scrolling.

choppy slashdot (1)

Arakageeta (671142) | about a year ago | (#44915557)

The choppiest site I've visited on my 4S with iOS7 is slashdot's mobile site. The background of each story is "active" in the sense that when I thumb-down to scroll, the story's background dims to grey. The regular white background returns when I lift my thumb. This, combining this action with scrolling really makes for a choppy experience!

Re: choppy slashdot (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about a year ago | (#44915659)

Safari is slow and freezes up from time to time. I cleared the browser cache and cookies along with rebooting the phone. I'm going to guess there's a bug that will get stamped out on the next round of iOS 7 updates.

Nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915563)

I've been using iOS 7 for a while now (beta 3) and love it overall. It makes life a lot easier and I haven't noticed any significant slowdowns. I use an iphone 5.

IOS 7 Is Crazy Fast! (0)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | about a year ago | (#44915569)

Faster than Steve Jobs...........

It's part of the plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915577)

By pushing newer OS to older devices, they become slow and then when the new owner buy a shiny new iphone, he goes "Oh, yeah it's 6 times faster!"

Actual Cause (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915599)

iOS 7 includes on-the-fly grammar and spelling correction. Your writing style is slowing the rest of the OS down.

iPhone 5 (1)

alienzed (732782) | about a year ago | (#44915623)

seems just as smooth as iOS 6 on an iPhone 5 and 4S to me...

Right Cables (0)

Frankie70 (803801) | about a year ago | (#44915625)

Are you using Apple blessed cables, connectors, accessories, tables, chairs etc. Using any 3rd party stuff in a vicinity may slow down IOS7.

Of course it's slower on older hardware (4, Informative)

Golden_Rider (137548) | about a year ago | (#44915653)

iOS7 should be fine on an iphone 5 or 4s, but there definitely should be a noticeable slowdown on an iphone 4. That hardware is a bit old by now, and iOS7 is designed for the newer hardware. E.g. the iphone 4 still has a single core A4 CPU, while the 4s already has the dual core A5. The newer phones (5 and up) also have twice the RAM. Still, upgrading to iOS7 is a user option, and it's better to have that option than not to have it. Not many 3 year old Android phones still get OS upgrades.

apps start a little slower, otherwise ok (1)

Camembert (2891457) | about a year ago | (#44915665)

My experience on an ipad 2 so far: popular apps like Safari start somewhat slower, say from a bit under a second to a bit over a second. Afterwards it seems ok. Some transitions could be smoother but they'd not be quicker in my perception. It is quite logical that there is some loss of speed on older hardware. In general it is still very usable and the clean, crisp UI works well after dubious first few minutes.

Seems fine to me (1)

kirkc99 (2882627) | about a year ago | (#44915675)

I've been using it on my 5 for over a week now (I installed the GM shortly after it was released). Since I installed it pre-release, I did a restore instead of an upgrade. I've had snappy performance and great battery life. I suggest backing up and doing a restore.

The new back-doors take up some bandwidth (0)

xtronics (259660) | about a year ago | (#44915679)

Don't worry, those guys running the NSA are so smart - nothing could possibly go wrong or backfire..

Slower? No (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915685)

But the animations run too slow for my taste. Considering turning them off.

Be careful... (0, Redundant)

QuietLagoon (813062) | about a year ago | (#44915705)

If you say such things about Apple's software, your messages might be removed from their support forums, or you might be banned from their forums. When you are in the walled garden, you should be a happy consumer. Or else.

Haven't really noticed a slowdown (3, Informative)

mkraft (200694) | about a year ago | (#44915715)

I haven't really noticed a slowdown on either my iPhone 4S or iPad 2. It gets a little choppy occasionally on my iPad 2, but that happened with iOS 6 at times as well. The biggest issue I've seen is decreased battery life because of all the background tasks being done. That and the constantly reloading of apps do to more memory being used by iOS 7.

I did have another issue on both devices, where somehow all my music (iTunes Match downloads), somehow got flagged as "Other Data" and couldn't be removed. I fixed this on my iPad 2 by turning off iTunes Match and doing a hard reset. For my iPhone 4S, nothing short of a restore fixed it. Both devices updated from iOS 6.1.3 OTA.

Yu0 Fail It! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915717)

over the sAMe []

am waiting (1)

buddyglass (925859) | about a year ago | (#44915743)

After listening to the frustrations of our iOS devs working to get our app ready for iOS 7, I'm waiting a couple of months before upgrading. Give lazy app producers time to patch their stuff before taking the plunge. Or maybe I'll just wait until 7.0.1 / 7.1.

No (1)

EvilSS (557649) | about a year ago | (#44915753)

I'm running it on an iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 and have noticed no slow downs. The 4 is actually a bit faster than it was under iOS 6. The only issues I've really seen from anyone is people complaining about the animations eating away fractions of seconds of their precious little lives.

is Linux slow? (4, Insightful)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#44915757)

When i started using Linux, it would run just fine on my 486DX33 with 8 MB of RAM. Now when I try to run it on machines with 50x that spec it is slow.

Newsflash: hardware requirements increase with new features. Supporting end of life hardware that hasn't been made for multiple generations in new platforms holds back said platform. Whether it is iOS, WIndows, Linux or whatever.

There are exceptions to the speed issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915797)

On most computers, Windows 7 is as fast or faster than Windows Vista.

Then again, Vista was "non-beta" in name only.

Re:There are exceptions to the speed issue (1)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#44915803)

Sure, there are exceptions. But expecting end of sale / end of life hardware to be supported by NEW OS releases is living in fantasy land.

reboot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44915773)

you need to reboot your device to remove the choppiness. I only had to do it once. and never had this problem with any of the beta's.

Re:reboot (1)

EvilSS (557649) | about a year ago | (#44915781)

This. I did have to do this once after the upgrade on my iPhone 4 (and after the usual reboot the upgrade does automatically) and it's been smooth sailing ever since.

Peachy once iCloud is off (5, Interesting)

cpct0 (558171) | about a year ago | (#44915779)

Update went well on my iPhone 4 (not S). Still am getting used to some elements. For example, the "ok" to unlock is kind of really unclear, and as such, I have doubts on putting nondescript text as buttons instead of having them shown with a rounded rect button frame.

I had MAJOR slowdowns everytime I was writing some line of text. I mean major MAJOR, like the UI freezing for 10 seconds, then putting all the text I was blindly writing, and then freezing for yet another 10 seconds. Then, Mr. Interwebz found the solution, which is to disable iCloud synchro for documents & settings ... and from that point on, no more battery hug, no more slowdowns, and everything is quite responsive.

So far, like it!

It's slow and just plain ugly (5, Interesting)

deanklear (2529024) | about a year ago | (#44915795)

It's definitely slower and I regret upgrading.

There's not enough white space to provide any visual separation on a device so small when there is not even an attempt at drawing lines or separating elements. Almost everything is smaller and harder to read, and it's not obvious what is a "button" and what is just text in a corner somewhere. In fact, many of the improvements are simple knock offs of Android has had for a while. The world will soon be divided into Upswipers and Downswipers.

I was thinking about updating my 4S, but while 7 was a step forward for some usability cases, I'm not sure I want to stick around for whatever is next. I am tired of not having full access to the hardware, and when I heard Ives was going to cut out cruft, I didn't imagine he was going to replace the whole system with the Office 2012 theme. Unfortunately for us, they're both based upon the premise that everyone wants to live in pure white Helvetica purgatory, and I don't think most of us do.

It's probably a consequence of his background in hardware. When you cut elements out of real materials down to their simplest possible form, there is still depth and innate information because it is a physical object. When you remove all delineation and depth from two dimensional representations, new users cannot even guess at your purpose when it looks like a blank sheet of paper with text and small iconography scattered around randomly on top of it. While the elements look much better on larger screens (as found in this informal poll [] ), things like the slot-machine style picker are not very obvious when you're scrolling around. I don't think they did much real world testing with new users on actual devices.

tl:dr; If you're a first year art student, you will absolutely love iOS 7. If you prefer to have some visual cues on what is content and what is part of the interface, you may want to hold off until Apple allows graphic designers capable of using more than one color back on the team.

Not Too Surprising (1)

organgtool (966989) | about a year ago | (#44915799)

Apple has traditionally tweaked their latest software to run its best on the latest hardware, sometimes at the cost of running slower on older hardware. In general, most performance tweaks have side effects that will vary based on the underlying hardware. While Apple could create different versions of iOS tuned for different hardware, that would cause another layer of fragmentation, which is something Apple tries to avoid. That, and the obvious fact that they can sell more hardware by focusing on tweaking the OS for the latest hardware.

To the Asker (1)

denmarkw00t (892627) | about a year ago | (#44915805)

What iPhone are you and your friends running? Model makes a big difference - for instance, I'm on the 4. My performance is somewhat choppy at key animation points in the OS, but that's expected. So?

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