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The Other Pong

timothy posted about 7 months ago | from the when-you-deserve-a-good-paddling dept.

Classic Games (Games) 98

theodp writes "Before there was Pong, there was Ping-Pong. Table tennis began in 19th-century Victorian England as a parlor game for the upper-middle class, with cigar box lids used as paddles. Today, as BusinessInsider half-joked, federal law requires all tech startups to have a functional ping pong table. Photographer Alec Soth discusses his love of the game in a NY Times interview and shares some vintage photos of the sport from his new limited-edition book Ping Pong. So, why do people — especially lots of computer programmers — get obsessed with Ping-Pong? Table tennis is 'a way to do a physical sport that has actual athletic qualities but is kind of contained,' explains Soth. 'There's a real mental element to it. It's not chess, but your brain is engaged. It's a break from neuroses.'" As workplace stress relief games go, a ping-pong table is also a lot easier to carry than an air hockey set-up or a bowling alley.

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Bong Pong (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917565)

So, why do people — especially lots of computer programmers — get obsessed with Ping-Pong?

It's the bong hits, stupid.

Re:Bong Pong (1)

hallkbrdz (896248) | about 7 months ago | (#44918345)

Ping-Pong and Foosball WERE our sports at Colorado Technical (then) College.

I played on both teams... ;-)

asdf (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917579)

I had a job interview, for a job at a technical university, on a ping pong table. Was pretty cool.

Re:asdf (4, Funny)

jones_supa (887896) | about 7 months ago | (#44917617)

Did the interview include a question which asked you to describe what command to use to find out if the host "pong" is alive in a computer network?

Re:asdf (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917679)

I had a job interview, for a job at a technical university, on a ping pong table. Was pretty cool.

I had sex under a ping pong table once. That was pretty cool.

Re:asdf (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about 7 months ago | (#44917701)

Was being able to play table tennis considered a qualification, or the only qualification?

Re:asdf (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917729)

No, but they did bring in a Chinese guy for the interview. Never had to play him though.

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"why do people - especially xyz..." (4, Insightful)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | about 7 months ago | (#44917599)

A sufficiently large group of people will have lots of members obsessed with almost any well-known pastime you can think of.

A homogeneous group is likely to randomly have certain obsessions tip over critical mass, and then it's just a matter of fitting in.

There's not always a peculiar explanation for everything, you know.

Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." (1)

iggymanz (596061) | about 7 months ago | (#44917637)

the startups I've been at did not have a ping pong table. Foosball and pool, yes. Also, I interviewed at a place that mentioned they had bowling league most employees belonged (yes, in Chicago)

Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." (1)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | about 7 months ago | (#44917685)

I know I haven't been a regular "employed" person for over decade so don't really have to give a fuck, but I can't bear the idea of semi-forced socialisation with colleagues at a private company. They're there to profit from my work, and I'm there to collect a salary.

Now, I'll do *solidarity* all the way, but that will be based on my voluntary interaction with my peers, not on management initiative. If anyone mentioned socialisation at interview, I'd be concerned.

Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44919205)

No need for you to be concerned.

Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44919231)

Social opportunities is a feature to most people, and it coming up during an interview is, much more often than not, not a warning but just one of the things they are offering. Just as if they said they offered free soda and snacks, that shouldn't be a red flag to those that are on a diet and don't want to eat such things.

Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." (1)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | about 7 months ago | (#44919493)

Yeah, you may be right, I am out of touch with the whole employee jazz.

Also for using "jazz".

Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44920571)

Yeah, you may be right, I am out of touch with the whole employee jazz.

Also for using "jazz".

This reminded me of a time when office workers could go to the bathroom only during the 2 scheduled 10 minute breaks -- besides the obvious one for lunch -- resulting in termination, if it was done too often. Times have changed; in most places, one no longer needs to "raise their hand" to ask for permission.

Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 7 months ago | (#44917893)

Ping Pong is particularly good as a choice because it's a great way to beef up the cerebellum with all that cross body coordination. Plus, it's fairly cheap, the main expense being the room you put it in. Balls are cheap and tend to last a long time, same goes for the paddles.

It's also a great way of developing focus and clearing the brain when you get stuck in a rut.

Obviously, there are other choices that have merits, it's just that Ping Pong is pretty efficient.

Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918379)

Another option is beer pong.

Or better yet, jeager pong.

Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." (1)

Cederic (9623) | about 7 months ago | (#44919859)

It's also a very physical game and I don't want sweaty people in my office.

Play table football or pool or something instead. You know, a game where you can actually share information and discuss random shite while playing, rather than bouncing around like a demented kitten on acid.

Rock climbing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918041)

I only know one coder who plays ping-pong.

I know at least 15 who rock-climb, myself included.

I've never had much interest in sports (ping-pong included), I've tried a bunch but it has always felt like a chore to do it, not something fun. With rock climbing, even if I'm just bouldering indoors, I *want* to do it.

To me it's the ultimate combination of physical and mental efforts, problem-solving, and working towards reaching a goal. It's definitely not just for adrenaline-seeking showoffs (in fact, they tend to be very few, and not that good).

Re:Rock climbing (1)

Cederic (9623) | about 7 months ago | (#44919901)

To me it's the ultimate combination of physical and mental efforts, problem-solving, and working towards reaching a goal.

Rent a fucking helicopter. Problem solved.

Then solve conflict in the Middle East. _That's_ a physical and mental problem to solve.

Re:Rock climbing (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 7 months ago | (#44920385)

maybe that's because you belong to a rock climbing club and know only hipster coders(evident by the fact that they can rock climb). I would play ping pong if I had the chance. Problem with ping pong is that unless you got someone to play with who can at least somewhat match your skills then it's useless to play it. we used to play with friends and my brother a lot when I was younger - even had a ping pong table in my room for couple of years(was great for lan parties too!).

anyhow, rock climbers tend to want to be showoffs one way or another, like you and from your description you definitely seek the adrenaline rush from it. It's the sort of thing that people who do it advertise to everyone they know(you're more likely to hear it directly from them than from their friends, like you would hear about of lot of other past time activities).

ping pong has a goal of winning the game. there's no rush of course if your opponent isn't any good and no chance of winning if he is too good, so rock climbing compared to ping pong is kinda like masturbating if you think about it(also people who do it often publicly say that they don't masturbate, which makes some sense then).

anyhow, don't go mixing up too much physical with physics which make ping pong and pong like games fun.

Gamers (1)

jmhobrien (2750125) | about 7 months ago | (#44917615)

Maybe it's because table tennis is the closest thing to a computer game that is socially acceptable at work.

Re:Gamers (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 7 months ago | (#44918045)

Maybe it's because table tennis is the closest thing to a computer game that is socially acceptable at work.

There's fifty percent of ping and fifty percent of Pong in it. The perfect computer smoothie!

Table Tennis (-1, Troll)

Beardydog (716221) | about 7 months ago | (#44917621)

The only people I've ever met who liked table tennis were terrible people. I'm not sure if terrible people are drawn to table tennis, or if table tennis is a black scourge that seeps into men's souls and consumes the heart of them while it still beats, but there is an absolute correlation.

Re:Table Tennis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917713)

You got jailed for failing statistics and there's a tennis table in the recreation room ?

Re:Table Tennis (1)

Twinbee (767046) | about 7 months ago | (#44917725)

You'd need to know at least 10 people who enjoyed ping-pong (and preferably 20 or even 30) for what you said to have at least a modicum of plausibility.

Re:Table Tennis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917777)

Well he can have my ten.

Re:Table Tennis (1)

Twinbee (767046) | about 7 months ago | (#44917819)

Even if you have another ten there, it's very easy to envisage getting unlucky with the first say, 3, and then automatically taking a dislike to any you meet after that from the outset.

Re:Table Tennis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918553)

To be honest I'd be quite happy making such a broad brush stroke after just three.

But then it was only a joke.

Re:Table Tennis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918127)

Fuk u faget I am a table tebbis master - suck it

Re: Table Tennis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44920399)

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Re:Table Tennis (2)

PPH (736903) | about 7 months ago | (#44918211)

I know a hot blond babe who is a great ping pong player. She has excellent muscle tone and a nice figure thanks to this game.

The only shortcoming I've seen is that the table is a bit flimsy for having sex on between games compared to a pool table.

Easier to carry? (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about 7 months ago | (#44917625)

Even folded up, a ping pong table is much bigger than a air hockey table.

Re:Easier to carry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917723)

Not just that. Really, who carries around large game tables of any kind? These things are like furniture. You set them up somewhere and they stay in that same spot for months or years. Table tennis also takes up a lot of space, similar to billiards. I've worked at a few companies without enough room for that, but they did manage to squeeze in a foosball table.

Re:Easier to carry? (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 7 months ago | (#44917907)

A decent ping pong table will fold up and roll to the side of the room. If you want to play it takes like 5 minutes to set up, and if you need the room for a meeting, it takes about 5 minutes to fold up and slide to the end of the room. Or, you just take the net down, and use it as a table.

As opposed to pool, where you absolutely have to put something over the top of it, because it's not going anywhere, between the weight and the very specific requirements to maintain a level playing surface.

Re:Easier to carry? (1)

arth1 (260657) | about 7 months ago | (#44918743)

You don't have to move just the table tennis table to set it up, but what was already there. Which makes it a heck of a lot less practical, because that has to be portable and store in little space too. Good luck stowing a typical conference table and set of high back chairs in the same space as the table tennis table went.

Then there's the space requirements beyond the actual table. You need a fair amount of room for the game to be enjoyable. For recreational purposes (which has a lot less space requirements than serious playing), a minimum of 28' x 14' is recommended. Less than that, and you will have problems doing strokes, or will bang into walls or other objects.

And table tennis tables need to be level too - good ones tend to come with built-in bubble levels and micro-adjusters for all legs.

Then you need a shower and changing are too. I sure as muck don't want to sit the entire afternoon next to someone who's been playing table tennis during lunch, unless they've showered first. Hygiene is not a greeting.

Finally, you need a policeman.

Game over (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917661)

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Re:Game over (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917757)

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cheaper than pool table (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917667)

At every startup I have ever worked, folks wanted a pool table but when management found out what they cost we ended up with a ping pong table.

Same thing with office space. Everyone wants a good space where you can get work done during regular hours but when you price out offices or even cubicles the BS about "communication" and "collaboration" comes out to justify the open plan office.

Table tennis is like darts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917673)

for people who don't like to hang out in a bar. Unlike most sports, you can have no physical conditioning and still be reasonably competitive.

Re:Table tennis is like darts (1)

Gibgezr (2025238) | about 7 months ago | (#44918131)

You obviously are either in great shape already and play with people who can barely return the ball, or don't play table tennis. It's a pretty good workout, akin to tennis. You are moving a shorter distance (but quickly!) and swinging a lighter paddle, but the volleys are much faster, so you are constantly moving. I get as good a workout from table tennis as from tennis, just in a smaller space. Darts? You stand still and use a beer in the offhand for balance. No comparison.
Unlike foosball/air hockey, installing a ping-pong table in the company rec room is a great way to ensure some of your employees will get some good physical exercise.

Re:Table tennis is like darts (1)

strength_of_10_men (967050) | about 7 months ago | (#44918243)

So much this. It's a great competitive activity for programmers/developers/nerds who don't generally have the most athletic ability. Dare I say it's almost gender neutral as it places a lot more emphasis on hand-eye coordination and quick reflexes rather than any real amount of strength.

I used to play against my mom when I was still in high school and she would regularly slaughter me without even trying. She'd have me chasing her returns from one side of the table to the other and then finish the volley with a nice subtle spin return that would leave me befuddled.

I run and work out regularly and still love to play ping pong. I think the reason it's looked down upon by a lot of people is because it's not so much a macho game. But that's all the better for me.

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shallow learning curve (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917745)

Ping pong is pretty easy to pick up for anyone with moderate coordination. At the initial stages, improvement can be very quick which creates a positive feedback loop.

No ping-pong obession here... (2)

DamonHD (794830) | about 7 months ago | (#44917747)

Maybe other things, but the two long-lived small companies that I've been a founder of have had no ping-pong tables or other sporting paraphernalia: many of us simply didn't enjoy 'compulsory' group activities/fun and still don't.

Rgds

Damon

Re:No ping-pong obession here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917805)

I thought foosball was the break room game of choice for startups in the social networking space. You know, the brogrammer thing (but ladies invited).

So the brass could always proudly point out the foosball table to his guests, to show that this is not Bank of America or IBM.

Re:No ping-pong obession here... (1)

DamonHD (794830) | about 7 months ago | (#44917903)

Yes, that may indeed fall into the "heroically trying too hard" behaviour that many people in this space exhibit.

Me? I'm just an idle bum... And hate sport... and any other opportunity for bullying and grandstanding...

Rgds

Damon

Re:No ping-pong obession here... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917997)

So you're the guy who spends half the morning jerking off in the bathroom?

Re:No ping-pong obession here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918167)

If you don't like it, stop watching him!

Re:No ping-pong obession here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44919305)

I'm not sure why simply having one around makes it any way compulsory, unless you have management problems (then you have bigger issues than whether or not you have a ping pong table). And ping pong doesn't seem like the greatest forced group activity, since you have two, maybe four people playing at a time. Places I've worked before, that had ping pong, or other skill based activities, had no problems with it. There were usually a couple people who already had a strong interest in it before hand, and would play regularly with each other, but no one else wanted to play with them because they were so good. Then there were people who had a passing interest, and might call out, "Any one up for XYZ?" to which they either find some one to play with, or about half the time no one is interested and free at the same time.

Re:No ping-pong obession here... (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | about 7 months ago | (#44930305)

Gee, the founder doesn't like X and (presumably) gets to determine where the money is spent -> nobody else gets to play X (and say they don't like it either)

ping-pong and Thorazine (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917795)

My psychiatric training, including playing ping-pong with patients, was invaluable at an early start-up. Being good enough to *lose*, at will, while making the other person feel as if they'd earned the win was as much of an art form as playing with patients overdosed on Thorazine. They can get "tardive diskinesea", where physical motions are profoundly delayed from when they're intended, and aiming the ball to where their paddle will wind up, so that the game can continue cheefully, was the kind of skill needed to realize you *have* to leave bugs in your code so the system architect will feel empowered by fixing them, and will stay the hell out of insisting that you rewrite everything to some made-up-on-the-spot new scheme that you've already tried and know damn well didn't work 20 years ago, either.

Why not beer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917807)

The one start-up I've worked at had a fridge that was regularly stocked with beer. Don't know whether you could get away with that in America though.

Other things for morale (-1, Flamebait)

LittleBigScript (618162) | about 7 months ago | (#44917811)

If you want to increase morale, then just let people have a wank at the office.

Re:Other things for morale (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917851)

That's not a way to increase morale, it's a strategy to employ when you have problems with the plumbing in the staff toilets and/or showers and you don't want to hire a plumber. Cos damned if I'd be using a cubicle if I suspected people were up to that in there...

Re:Other things for morale (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918499)

http://youtu.be/zlUOvP-kzyU

Faulty premise. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917835)

Computer programmers play BEER pong.

Celebrity endorsement (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44917859)

King Kong played ping pong with his ding dong.

Re:Celebrity endorsement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918055)

In Hong Kong...

hey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918013)

I fly kites and when I get tired doing that I'll go back and work a little.

Wish my office had one (or more!) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918113)

First of all, I am not an Anonymous Coward - but just too lazy to self-identify! Secondly, I totally agree that the magic appeal of ping pong can be attributed to the perfect balance of fifty percent ping and fifty percent pong in it. Check out a spanking new blog dedicated to comically supporting the global resurgence of pong if you are like-minded and/or so inclined: http://pingpongnation.net/. Long Live Ping Pong!

Construction Company (1)

PPH (736903) | about 7 months ago | (#44918225)

Where I worked a few decades ago. We had a ping pong table. It was great for unrolling blueprints on during working hours.

All this tech-hipster crap aside... (4, Interesting)

Guy From V (1453391) | about 7 months ago | (#44918273)

As a former HS and Division-I varsity college "normal" tennis player (albeit low on the ladder) I scoffed at "ping-pong" pretty much like everyone else. That is until one of my teammates dared me to not look like an idiot at one of the fraternities' (women's) intramural practice sessions. I lost that dare big-time. After that I actually was interested in it as an actual sport...the fact that there were also relatively hot chicks helping me out kind of gave me a bit of incentive, also. I actually play once in a while even now and that was almost 20 years ago. I even have a STIGA rosewood racquet that is worth almost 100 bucks and replacement rubbers (yeah that's right). Anyone who thinks volleyball, the cue sports, or even golf require mental focus and physical dexterity anywhere near table tennis are seriously misinformed. If any physical game could be compared to chess I think it would be table-tennis. Ok, now mock away...I can take it.

Re:All this tech-hipster crap aside... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918773)

Using the word "racquet" to describe a paddle - priceless.

at the office I work, then get the hell out (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918511)

No way I feel like spending all my time at work, even if some of it is spent in "ping pong"

I'd rather be outside or at home in my free time

i cant pong. do i have to surrender my K&R? (1)

mnemotronic (586021) | about 7 months ago | (#44918561)

Pingpong, handball, racket-ball and any FPS - i totally suck at anything that requires reaction time faster than "glacial". Put me on a bicycle though....

Only amateurs and idiots (0)

nurb432 (527695) | about 7 months ago | (#44918567)

Call it 'ping pong'.

Re:Only amateurs and idiots (1)

arth1 (260657) | about 7 months ago | (#44918793)

And there's nothing wrong with being an amateur. Everybody can't make a living out of it, or there would be no one to pay.

Colloquial names for sports are common. We can deal.
If you insist on saying table tennis, pugilism and association football, no one is going to stop you. But others may continue to say ping-pong, boxing and soccer.

Re:Only amateurs and idiots (-1, Troll)

nurb432 (527695) | about 7 months ago | (#44918833)

But others may continue to say ping-pong

And continue to be uneducated idiots if they do so. The game is not ping-pong, and they are not welcome in the sport if they cant even call it the right thing.

Re:Only amateurs and idiots (2)

arth1 (260657) | about 7 months ago | (#44919079)

And continue to be uneducated idiots if they do so. The game is not ping-pong, and they are not welcome in the sport if they cant even call it the right thing.

If you are to get on your high horse, next time, make sure you don't climb onto it backwards. It looks very foolish.

The game was known as ping-pong until J. Jaques & Son Ltd. trademarked that name in 1901. Other manufacturers had to come up with different names.
This is pretty much the same situation as with Frisbee and flying disc. The public continues to say ping-pong and frisbee.

There are uneducated idiots, indeed.

I welcome people to play against me whether they say table tennis or ping-pong. If you don't, more the fool you.

Re:Only amateurs and idiots (0)

nurb432 (527695) | about 7 months ago | (#44919275)

You can shove your nonsense ( and a paddle ) up your ass. I don't accept any 'commoner' name, created by the common folk.

Re:Only amateurs and idiots (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44919601)

You can shove your nonsense ( and a paddle ) up your ass. I don't accept any 'commoner' name, created by the common folk.

LOL, someone is drunk today.

Re:Only amateurs and idiots (1)

gottabeme (590848) | about 7 months ago | (#44920173)

Are you one of those people who scoffs at "soccer," even though the term originated in England?

Re:Only amateurs and idiots (0)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about 7 months ago | (#44919201)

of course its wiff waff - be careful tech city of Boris will mandate wif waf tables at every start up near old street

Re:Only amateurs and idiots (1)

fliptout (9217) | about 7 months ago | (#44919251)

All of China calls it "ping pong" (actually ping pang qiu, but I digress). Doubt you can call them amateurs, as they have professional ping pong leagues.

Dwight Schrute says (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918821)

All of my heroes, are table tennis players. Zoran Primorac, Jan-Ove Waldner, Wang Tao, Jorg Rosskopf and of course Ashraf Helmy. I even have a life-size poster of Hugo Hoyama on my wall. And the first time I left Pennsylvania, was to go to the hall of fame induction ceremony of Andrzej Grubba.

Headis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44918847)

I was once introduced to a variation of table tennis played with a bigger ball and your head instead of a paddle called Headis.
It's a lot of fun and the lack of paddles makes it more suited than table tennis to be played at hostels and parks.

Floorball (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44919043)

Ping pong is great, and I've played it obsessively in a workplace setting (my young son thought I was paid for playing it).

In Finland, though, the workplace game of choice is floorball [wikipedia.org].

Re:Floorball (1)

Cederic (9623) | about 7 months ago | (#44919985)

I broke someone's arm playing Unihoc once. He was coming at me fast so I just shifted weight and he bounced off my shoulder and into a wall.

It's one of the few games I was any good at; shame I wasn't allowed to play after that.

They missed the obvious (3, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | about 7 months ago | (#44919171)

Ping pong is attractive to the tech crowd because it can be played indoors.

It's scary out there in the real world with that hot ball burning things from the sky.

Try real tennis! (OT) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44919433)

I play in Seattle and there are tons of great local players who work at Amazon, MS, what have you, loads of engineers.

Tennis is super heavy on the statistics; it's primarily mental, then running, then hitting. And best of all, it tends to be played by people who play to have fun and not by aggressive bozos. There's an ethos of calling points fairly (players call everything on their side of the net), laughing at your own mistakes, congratulating your opponent. If you think you hate sports, probably you are not playing tennis. (Also, running is a fine sport too.)

BTW nerds, tennis is super heavy on physics due to the emphasis on spin, angles, trajectories, and just the behavior of strings and string materials. Tennis is also the most chess-like of sports--certain shots just feel like certain chess openings (e.g., a backhand slice is pure Caro/Slav).

Often there is a table set up out front at a tennis center, and you can usually tell the serious tennis players because they go way the hell overboard on spin when playing ping pong.

Any, take up sports! They will improve your cognitive functioning and coding stamina.

Re:Try real tennis! (OT) (1)

gottabeme (590848) | about 7 months ago | (#44920187)

I went the other way: first played ping pong, then some tennis. I go overboard with spin in both.

Foosball (1)

spongman (182339) | about 7 months ago | (#44920895)

We had a foosball table, too. It got much more use than the ping pong table - it's much easier for beginners to join in games with more experienced players.

i have a deeper question - (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44925875)

why is this here?

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