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Valve Announces Linux-Based SteamOS

Soulskill posted 1 year,8 days | from the inexorable-linux dept.

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Today Valve Software announced SteamOS, a Linux-based gaming operating system designed for, as Valve puts it, "living room machines." They say, "In SteamOS, we have achieved significant performance increases in graphics processing, and we're now targeting audio performance and reductions in input latency at the operating system level. Game developers are already taking advantage of these gains as they target SteamOS for their new releases." One major feature they're touting is the ability to use the SteamOS machine to stream video games from other Windows and Mac computers in the house to your TV. They mention media streaming as well, but without much detail. "With SteamOS, 'openness' means that the hardware industry can iterate in the living room at a much faster pace than they've been able to. Content creators can connect directly to their customers. Users can alter or replace any part of the software or hardware they want. Gamers are empowered to join in the creation of the games they love. SteamOS will continue to evolve, but will remain an environment designed to foster these kinds of innovation."

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Compatibility (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925539)

Great, they gonna make all my current steam games compatible?

Re:Compatibility (1)

Kenja (541830) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925557)

Odds are they don't make your games... so no.

Re:Compatibility (4, Informative)

Thorizdin (456032) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925595)

Odds are they don't make your games... so no.

Actually, they are already compatible or at least playable via the home streaming feature. "In-home Streaming
You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!"

How good that experience will be remains to be seen :)

Re:Compatibility (3, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925859)

That's not playing your games on the Linux based SteamOS, that's running the equivalent of VNC server and client between Windows and Linux. I can do that to my phone as well, but I wont claim to be playing GTA on my phone.

Re:Compatibility (2)

cream wobbly (1102689) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925953)

I can do that to my phone as well, but I wont claim to be playing GTA on my phone.

Why not? Because when you do, you are. You just need the adverbs "natively" and "remotely" to help comprehension.

Re:Compatibility (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925999)

There is no semantic difference. You will be able to play your games using whatever inputs and outputs are plugged into your SteamOS system.

Re:Compatibility (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925961)

How good that experience will be remains to be seen

Well, it is a practical way to overcome the relative dearth of Linux games on Steam. But it probably won't endear this device to the hardcore Linux crowd, who were no doubt hoping for the Steambox to be a boon for Linux games (especially in light of a lot of recent pro-Linux talk by Valve).

Re:Compatibility (4, Insightful)

MouseAT (945758) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925787)

What's to stop them integrating Wine into the appropriate game packages and certifying them to run on Linux? That way, not everything would need a re-write. They'd be able to port a significant library right from the start, Valve would be able to verify compatibility and it'd all be pre-configured out of the box.

Re:Compatibility (1)

Kenja (541830) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925871)

Nothing to stop them, but it would be a MAJOR pain for them to maintain WINE compatibility with third party software.

Licensing perhaps? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925893)

Wine is LGPL'd which means the end-user has to be able to relink any applications that use winelib. So if either Steam directly links wine into itself (required for a seamless experience) or uses winelib to port apps, the final product would still require end-users to be able to link a modified winelib, which would for instance allow an end-run around any non-online-authentication DRM provisions and possibly allow them to bypass steam provisions themselves.

As such I don't really see it likely that they would do such a thing in the cornerstone of their new 'walled garden' model.

And honestly given that everything now requires either a steam or origin account just to INSTALL, I've given up on commercial gaming altogether as I watch the community I once partially respected turn into the sort of locked in garbage that has mostly weaned me off commercial media of all other forms.

Thanks Valve, I think I might go back to books until they stop printing those!

Re:Licensing perhaps? (1)

beelsebob (529313) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925939)

What on earth are you talking about. All they would need to do is expose it as a public dynamic library.

That of course doesn't make it a good idea –they would have an absolute nightmare with compatibility, and it would be counter productive to getting devs to actually ship software for their system.

Re:Licensing perhaps? (1)

madhi19 (1972884) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926017)

Wine LGPL but the stuff that winetrick use and download to make some games work sure ain't that why those dll are not packaged with Wine.

Re:Licensing perhaps? (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926023)

Eve Online shipped a Wine wrapper for their Mac and Linux "ports" back in the day. They just shipped a compiled Wine (with the LGPL license and source) and a script that called Wine calling Eve Online's client.

Re:Compatibility (1)

cream wobbly (1102689) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926069)

Depend on a single third party commercial operation as the key to your own success. Wow. Ever heard the phrase "single point of failure"? That would be like depending on a small Japanese-, no American-, no Luxembourg-, no Italian-, no Malaysian-owned boutique sports car manufacturer for the success of your first electric car.... oh hi Tesla! Hi Detroit Electric!

Re:Compatibility (2)

AndyGJ (1212742) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925591)

They do allow you to stream it from your main PC, which sounds like an interim step to get over the "no games for the linuxes" problem. Cautiously optimistic.

Re:Compatibility (5, Informative)

Chameleon Man (1304729) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925617)

Read TFA:

"Hundreds of great games are already running natively on SteamOS. Watch for announcements in the coming weeks about all the AAA titles coming natively to SteamOS in 2014. Access the full Steam catalog of over nearly 3000 games and desktop software titles via in-home streaming."

"You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!"

Re:Compatibility (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44926083)

I didn't read the article, but I'm guessing that this only works with Steam games?

With anything under EA's umbrella not available on Steam anymore - since they have their own Origin - the number of "AAA" titles available will be significantly limited. Unless it streams just about anything, using a Splashtop or NX technology.

Re:Compatibility (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44926117)

Are you confusing EA with a company that doesn't reissue the same boring games year after year?

Re:Compatibility (1)

spydir31 (312329) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925619)

Well, they claim that you can stream games from a Windows or Mac system, so yes, sort of. Also new ports should probably appear.

Re:Compatibility (5, Interesting)

alexgieg (948359) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925715)

2014: The Year of Linux on the Living Room!

Re:Compatibility (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925979)

Sounds more like:

2014: The Year of Streaming Your Windows Games To Your TV.

Re:Compatibility (2)

Joce640k (829181) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925755)

This is amazing technology. All we need now is some graphics drivers and it could be a working console.

Re:Compatibility (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925813)

ITs a working console in the same way PS4 is going to be with Vita TV. You have one heavy lifter in the house and a bunch of small streamer boxes to get it on TVs around your house.

Re:Compatibility (1)

jedidiah (1196) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925955)

> This is amazing technology. All we need now is some graphics drivers and it could be a working console.

You mean the drivers they are already focusing on for the desktop version of Steam on Linux? These are the same drivers that allow you to play BluRays on a machine that can barely load Windows.

Re:Compatibility (2)

Barefoot Monkey (1657313) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925833)

Short answer: no.

Long answer: they've already made most (but not all) of their own Steam games compatible. They have no such control over the rest of the games on Steam but they aim to encourage as many other devs as possible to do the same.

Obligatory (3, Funny)

vivaoporto (1064484) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925553)

But does it run Windows?

The circle is complete (4, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925581)

Users can alter or replace any part of the software or hardware they want.

Thus turning the console into - dun dun dunnnnnn - a desktop?

Re:The circle is complete (1)

aliquis (678370) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925855)

You know another way of getting your Windows games on the TV? ..

Mac? Really?

Re:The circle is complete (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44926101)

You know another way of getting your Windows games on the TV?

I suggest an HDMI cable between the video card in the PC running Windows and an HD television.

Amazing (4, Interesting)

MightyMartian (840721) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925583)

You know, when I think back on my first Linux install way back in 1993 or so with Slackware, who would have thought that Linus's project would end up on hundreds of millions of servers, smartphones, tablets, game systems, embedded hardware and the like. I find the whole thing rather breathtaking. Linux really is one of the great successes of the computer age.

Re:Amazing (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925615)

"It's not ready for prime time."

Re:Amazing (5, Funny)

meta-monkey (321000) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925729)

You think it's breathtaking that the new Steam box runs linux? Just imagine a Beowulf cluster of them!

Re:Amazing (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925779)

...Just imagine a Beowulf cluster of them!

I'm sorry, but you must die.

Re:Amazing (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44926043)

...Just imagine a Beowulf cluster of them!

I'm sorry, but you must die.

Oh come on. It was funny.

Re:Amazing (1)

aliquis (678370) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925827)

You think it's breathtaking that the new Steam box runs linux? Just imagine a Beowulf cluster of them!

Just imagine running it even faster in FreeBSD Linux compatibility layer...

Oh wait .. ;D (Not serious.)

Re:Amazing (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925819)

And yet it could be so much more.

Linux games that run well across multiple distributions have been out since when, the original Unreal Tournament? Perhaps even earlier? I'm talking about commercial games of course, if you go to the free software offerings the list gets larger.

Now all of a sudden in 2013, it seems impossible to produce a binary of ANY of the games on Steam that run well across any other distribution than Ubuntu...in fact I tried it -on- Ubuntu and had problems with Amnesia starting, whereas it worked in:

- Linux Mint (64 bit MATE edition)
- Fedora 19 (GNOME and KDE)

Steam on Linux was never consistent enough to be taken seriously, and the intended goal was always obvious -- pick a distribution that the community has made popular, then build their own, proprietary platform based on it and...hope that developers decide to release their titles for it. At least they do have a decent launch title library going for them, but it's obvious that Steam on Linux is just a stepping stone, one that may or may not exist in the future depending on Valve's success in the cnnsole world. Even if the "Steam Box" or whatever it will be called is released, there won't be much incentive for Valve to continue to try and offer a multi-platform version of Steam for the "other" Linux distro's out there. They want developers to target their own, for obvious reasons.

If I wanted a closed platform and vendor lock-in I'd just install Steam for Windows and dual boot, isn't that what everyone else does?

Re:Amazing (1)

0123456 (636235) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926099)

If I wanted a closed platform and vendor lock-in I'd just install Steam for Windows and dual boot, isn't that what everyone else does?

No, many of us run Steam for Windows in Wine. Oddly enough, it's the Valve games that cause me the most problems there, because they'll be working fine and then an update comes along and they stop working until two more updates later.

SteamOS (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925593)

I don't know about SteamOS, but if they ever do GabeOs brand cereals, I'm never eating anything else.

Open-Ness (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925597)

It sounds like they are sticking with a GNU userland with the talk of 'Openness'

The real question I have is what will SteamOS will be forked from. Originally Steam for Linux went live on Ubuntu. Ubuntu would seem a poor candidate to fork an OS from primarily because Nvidia basically told Ubuntu we aren't supporting Mir which would make SteamOS dead end when Mir started.

If they forked from Debian I wouldn't be so worried. Or they could have forked from Fedora, CentOS, who knows. Honestly I'm just happy to see Valve pushing for AAA game development on Linux.

Re:Open-Ness (1)

gmuslera (3436) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925691)

You are talking about future Ubuntu, if they forked it would be the old, not Mir based one that should work well with present and probably future nvidia drivers.

Microsoft had better make a move quick. (5, Interesting)

Dega704 (1454673) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925621)

This has the potential to end Windows as the dominant gaming platform; maybe even as a gaming platform in general. Once that happens, one of the biggest obstacles to mass desktop Linux adoption will be gone. Excellent.......

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925721)

The main purpose of the Steam OS currently will be to stream you games from your Windows or Mac desktop. The entire Steam game library doesn't suddenly work on Linux. This might be worrisome for Microsoft as a game platform OS -- however developers coding for Xbox One can also target Windows 7/8 pretty easily.

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925823)

This might be worrisome for Microsoft as a game platform OS -- however developers coding for Xbox One can also target Windows 7/8 pretty easily.

Do those developers also have to give up 30% of their revenue to Microsoft for App Store overhead for sales on Windows 8+?
And is that on top of whatever fees they had to pay to get their title on Xbox One?

SteamOS is looking better and better.

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (4, Insightful)

lordofthechia (598872) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925885)

The main purpose of the Steam OS currently will be to stream you games from your Windows or Mac desktop. The entire Steam game library doesn't suddenly work on Linux.

Must have missed this part:

Hundreds of great games are already running natively on SteamOS. Watch for announcements in the coming weeks about all the AAA titles coming natively to SteamOS in 2014.

It's a *great* start! Sure it's not the *entire* Steam catalog, but as an install base of Steam Boxes builds up, more and more developers will be encouraged to include Linux on their ports.

The other point of the Steam OS (instead of using and established distro) is Valve can streamline the user experience and optimize the kernel for gaming (which most default kernels are optimized for servers).

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (5, Insightful)

Dega704 (1454673) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926087)

It was also a wise move on Valve's part to call it SteamOS; following the rule that Linux is only successful with consumers when you don't call it Linux.

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925903)

So this isn't primarily for running the games? But rather a streamed version running on another OS?

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44926073)

Don't listen to him, it is primarily for running games and there are lots of games running there already. The stream thing is just to help through for those titles there aren't a port yet.

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925731)

indeed... game devs may start actually writing games in more open technologies such as OpenGL vs the uber-locked DirectX

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (2)

guruevi (827432) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925923)

Most games are already portable to Linux. Very little games actually use DirectX-specific extensions (primarily because DirectX is not inter-compatible with platforms such as the PlayStation or Mac and these days a lot slower than GL). Even recent games such as GTA5 have included (partially) an open source engine.

The problem is nobody bothers making a build for Linux. Back in the day, Unreal-based games were easy to port because they had a Linux build, still nobody bothered making it. You could simply copy all the assets over and launch the game using the standard UT launcher. Off course DRM closed that loophole in later games.

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925743)

Games are the biggest obstacle to Linux on the desktop? Mwhahaha.

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (2)

Luckyo (1726890) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925811)

It most certainly is for many of us.

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925865)

They are certainly one of the biggest obstacles.

We're not talking about the corporate environment, but the home environment.

Most people use their desktops or laptops for one to three major things - Internet (covered, mostly), publishing (partially missing, or mostly if you're referring to specific applications), and gaming (partially covered).

This takes a big chunk out of the 'gaming' so-called killer applicability.

This is straight from Microsoft's playbook (4, Interesting)

SirGarlon (845873) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925763)

You can't enforce DRM effectively until you lock down the device completely. So, of course Steam wants to control the OS. SteamOS sounds exactly like Microsoft's strategy of embracing, extending, and then extinguishing open standards.

So, yes, SteamOS will bring the Linux kernel to the masses, but as to the actual *benefits* of Linux -- transparency and freedom -- Valve is going to kill those.

Re:This is straight from Microsoft's playbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925835)

You're wrong. Not about DRM being uneforceable... but about this announcement. There's actually nothing locked down about the machine at all. Dell (shudder) could build a Steam console.

It's one of the key points that Newell has been pushing that makes it different from Windows 8.x

Re:This is straight from Microsoft's playbook (4, Insightful)

devman (1163205) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925853)

DRM will work fine, just as it does on Windows, and it won't be unbreakable, just like its not unbreakable on Windows. It just needs to work well enough to be more of a hassle than simply buying the legal copy on Steam.

There will be cracks and patches for Steam games on Linux just as there are for Windows, and you'll get them from the same seedy corners of the internet with the same risks of getting pwned ("yes this crack absolutely needs root to work, trust us").

So basically, no difference.

Re:This is straight from Microsoft's playbook (3, Informative)

IanCal (1243022) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925883)

It just needs to work well enough to be more of a hassle than simply buying the legal copy on Steam.

And given the ease of paying on steam, as well as the low cost, you don't need to have much of a barrier for it to be effective.

Re:This is straight from Microsoft's playbook (4, Insightful)

devman (1163205) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926111)

You can see this same phenomenon at work on Android. There are lots of GPL apps that are sold on the Play store and earn the maintainer a couple of bucks an install for the work they did in the port. However, being GPL software you can download the source and build the .apk for free and sideload it.

People still buy the Play store version even though there is a free and (unlike in the Steam case) legal alternative. Make it easy and they will come, and likely pay you.

Re:This is straight from Microsoft's playbook (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926085)

There will be cracks and patches for Steam games on Linux just as there are for Windows, and you'll get them from the same seedy corners of the internet with the same risks of getting pwned. ("yes this crack absolutely needs root to work, trust us").

So when the crack demands root access that's just fine, chroot has very good performance

Re:This is straight from Microsoft's playbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925881)

So, yes, SteamOS will bring the Linux kernel to the masses, but as to the actual *benefits* of Linux -- transparency and freedom -- Valve is going to kill those.

Software only has as much transparency and user freedom as its license requires of the distributor.

Re:This is straight from Microsoft's playbook (2)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925921)

It seems to me that this has never been valve's behaviour in the past. Their business model seems to be based on making buying more convenient than torrenting, and also on multiplayer server use as DRM. I don't think there is a single game on my steam account that I couldn't have pirated a single player only version of, and I am not averse to piracy at all, yet I bought some games. If you can't get past steam DRM you aren't trying at all. I did it by accident the other day.

Re:This is straight from Microsoft's playbook (1, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926107)

You can't enforce DRM effectively until you lock down the device completely. So, of course Steam wants to control the OS.

Except Steam DRM has always been pretty weak, and more there to keep honest people honest than stop pirates. Many Steam games don't even have DRM.

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925799)

It only needs to gain 50% of the market among gamers to get to a majority too!

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925803)

2014 will finally be the year of the Linux desktop!

May need some kind of VM / better WINE (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925837)

So all of the older windows game work as. There are some open source ones that will need a lot of work to have them run on mac or Linux.

Now open mac os that run no non apple hardware can be even better.

Re:Microsoft had better make a move quick. (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925911)

Microsoft doesn't move quickly, and over the last couple years, they don't move intelligently.

With the change of management pending, and the fact that some of top contenders for the top spot are...um...remarkably surprising...I wouldn't expect a technical response to this, but rather a legal one.

SteamOS and XBMC? (4, Interesting)

Kieran Evans (3181069) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925637)

Now comes the question, How well will XBMC integrate with this? If they both behave well together it's going to make for a damn good HTPC setup. Any word on if this is a completely own-rolled Linux Distro, or is it, as I suspect, an Ubuntu/Debian derivative due to their previous interactions?

Re:SteamOS and XBMC? (1)

Microlith (54737) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925757)

Given the stated support for remote streaming of media, you might not need XBMC. And there's no word on the base platform, yet.

Re:SteamOS and XBMC? (1)

Kieran Evans (3181069) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925987)

Given the stated support for remote streaming of media, you might not need XBMC.

Good point, guess I'm so used to XBMC for my media that, well, I'm not sure.. I'm just used to it, when talking media, XBMC seems the natural place to go.

And there's no word on the base platform, yet.

Oops, making assumtions there. I guess the previous collaboration with Canonical they've done led me there.

Re:SteamOS and XBMC? (1)

meta-monkey (321000) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925783)

If it's just a different distro, you shouldn't have trouble building XBMC for it.

Re:SteamOS and XBMC? (1)

Kieran Evans (3181069) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926025)

I took that much for granted. It was more of a launching XBMC thing, i.e. would I be able to easily add a shortcut to Steam for XBMC (you can currently, but who knows if that'll carry on through to SteamOS).

Re:SteamOS and XBMC? (1)

Dega704 (1454673) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925805)

It looks like they are planning to build multimedia capability into it, so it might even wind up being an alternative to XBMC. Depending on how much momentum it gains, I wouldn't be surprised if we see apps for Netflix, Hulu, Etc.

And the huddled masses sayeth to Lord Gaben... (2)

MetricT (128876) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925645)

"Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three."

I'm assuming Wednesday is the Steambox announcement. You guys *really* need something with with a "3" in it for a launch. I don't think "Half-Life: Source" is gonna cut it.

Re:And the huddled masses sayeth to Lord Gaben... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925759)

ou guys *really* need something with with a "3" in it for a launch. I don't think "Half-Life: Source" is gonna cut it.

Like 3 new hats?

Re:And the huddled masses sayeth to Lord Gaben... (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925847)

I am wondering if there will be a Steambox announcement. Perhaps, but with the announcement of SteamOS, with the flexibility to be either a gaming device itself, or accept in home streams of games from a more powerful machine, I wonder if it will primarily be a spec that other hardware devs can produce, like LG or Samsung.

"Introducing the Samsung Galaxy Gamer, with SteamOS and Gesture Sense UI overlay" :P

Re:And the huddled masses sayeth to Lord Gaben... (3, Funny)

discord5 (798235) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926105)

You guys *really* need something with with a "3" in it for a launch.

Holy shit! Left3Dead! Hat Fortress 3! DOTA3! Portal 3! CounterStr... Nevermind, nobody wants yet another counterstrike.

Is it? (1)

meerling (1487879) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925725)

Does this make Linux qualify for Steampunk? :)

Hmm a modded Linux OS focused on gaming (1)

nhat11 (1608159) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925761)

Sounds pretty interesting, I would install it to see how it runs and see how the environment is.

If you notice... (4, Informative)

wbr1 (2538558) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925791)

The original page [steampowered.com] on steam has two more icons to light up and a new countdown ending 2 days hence. Apparently there are two more announcements to go.

Re:If you notice... (1)

tb()ne (625102) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925919)

Well, if o is SteamOS, I'd guess that the next announcement, [o ], is the SteamBox, (since it looks like SteamOS in a box).

Re:If you notice... (5, Interesting)

mypalmike (454265) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925931)

The icons appear to be...


"O" - A gaming OS
"[O ]" - A box running the gaming OS?
"O + O" - A gaming network?

Re:If you notice... (2)

sabernet (751826) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925975)

I wonder if the third icon is a "Cloud play" system similar to Gaikai and onLive.

Re:If you notice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44926133)

I wonder if the third icon is a "Cloud play" system similar to Gaikai and onLive.

You mean everyday, normal multiplayer as it has existed for many years? Gaikai and onLive are just buzzwords for centralized control systems that allow built-in obsolescence. Valve doesn't care much for that as they still make plenty of money on sales of old games.

Playing with steam friends is not a new or exciting thing, nor is any change to it particularly worthy of an announcement following up a new OS. It may have to do with split-screen or LAN support. Ya' know, something that could be useful in living room environments that steam currently lacks.

Re:If you notice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44926009)

They gonna provide installdiscs for XBox One that removes MicrOS and and PlayStation4 that removes SonyOS?

Streaming from PC (1)

XMark3 (2979399) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925807)

I suppose the streaming from your PC to the Steambox would be through your local network. Is the bandwidth of a network connection sufficient for a full HD video stream? Would there need to be some lossy compression to allow streaming at a good frame rate?

This is a joke!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925809)

This is a joke!!!

Android for consoles? (1)

realmolo (574068) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925841)

Sounds like that's what they're going for- an "open" OS that can be used for any gaming device. It's a neat idea, but...

It will fail spectacularly. There is no money to be made on console hardware. Who is going to bother building a SteamOS device besides Valve? No one, because Valve is going to be making all the money.

Valve would've been smarter to go all-out, and just build a new proprietary console, but one that is supremely developer and consume friendly. Maybe that is what they are doing, but they are doing it too slowly. If the mythical SteamBox isn't at least as powerful as an Xbox One, and released within the next year, it's doomed, too.

Re:Android for consoles? (3, Insightful)

tom229 (1640685) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925991)

I don't know. If i can install SteamOS on my gaming hardware (that currently runs windows), stream that to my TV, and sit on the couch with a wireless controller.. I think I'd be pretty happy. Steam is by far the largest repository for games in the world so they would potentially have the developer backing to move a lot of future titles to linux.

What's more, if they release this OS in conjunction with a hardware release, that makes the entire process I described above easy for someone with little to no technical knowledge. Developing their own hardware also should alleviate a lot of the notorious driver issues with any *nix distribution.

I think this could work. And more importantly I want this to work. The less money I'm forced to give Microsoft, the better.

MythTV Integration anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,8 days | (#44925867)

Including the repos for MythTV out of the box and providing some form of integration would only enhance this project. Just my .02.

What will this mean for Steam on other distros? (1)

tb()ne (625102) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925897)

Having SteamOS for running a dedicated SteamBox in the living room is great but I wonder what the implications of SteamOS are for running Steam on other linux distros. I have a capable workstation at my desk and I really don't want to have to replace my current distro just to get the additional benefits of SteamOS. Will this cripple the momentum of Steam development for other distros?

Re:What will this mean for Steam on other distros? (1)

madhi19 (1972884) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926115)

I think everything will likely be cooked inside the Steam for Linux Client if that the case and you're already running it you're set one day you get a big update and that it or at worse you have to add a repo or two.

Gaming OS (2)

Eddy_D (557002) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925917)

Looks like Gabe is doing to PCs & set-top boxes what Google did with the phone. A customized Linux distro is a good start, but still much info missing.. does it integrate some gaming engine (maybe Source?) How much API support for hardware and software that aids in writing games? Is it even a gaming OS or is it just some content provider wrapper around Linux?

Oh, I See (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925925)

Linux is the future of gaming because Valve created their own version of Linux.

BTW, its not living room ready if I have to set up a big PC shoebox with liquid cooling to play the same content I get on a console.

Still waiting for the actual SteamBox, but apparently I now have to give Valve suggestions on who to design it.

Re:Oh, I See (2)

jedidiah (1196) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926041)

A modern console isn't that far removed from a PC shoebox with liquid cooling.

If anything, the shoebox would likely have the advantage of not cooking itself. The consumer mentality can be a double edged sword when it comes to electronics.

The main thing that keeps bog standard PC parts from being living room friendly is the fact that most of the defined form factors are too deep.

Contribute it To Mainline (2)

ilikenwf (1139495) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925935)

Whatever improvements they make will hopefully be sent as patches and pull requests to the open source projects they're likley building upon...I don't want to run a commercially run distro, or at least one that's more restrictive like Ubuntu, etc....

I run Arch for a reason.

Unless im misunderstanding (1)

Stan92057 (737634) | 1 year,8 days | (#44925971)

Unless im misunderstanding something this allow me to watch my games being played..not actually playing them on the Steam OS? Why not just stream directly from the PC to TV? I dont even see the point to that ides rather play the games not watch someone else play.

Re: Unless im misunderstanding (1)

dittbub (2425592) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926057)

Your steam on your PC links to steam OS. Nvidia has already done this with their hand held device. You play the game on your nvidia sheild thing, but its actually being processed by your PC.

I might. Begrudgingly (3, Interesting)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926005)

I've been wanting to stop dual booting for nearly two decades. The purists complain that locking you out of the OS (DRM) components is vehemently prohibited in the spirit of Open Source and basically creates the very problem OSS was designed to get away from.

On the other hand, software companies complain they need to lock you out in order to combat piracy and protect their digital assets. Without doing so, they have no way to protect their revenue stream.

I have never found a good solution to this problem. It's been a good 20 years, and nobody else has either so those of us who straddle the fence between purity and utility still dual boot.

I do not like the idea of SteamOS. I would really like the entire computer industry to be based on open formats, source and standards but that is a crack dream that will never happen. Something needs to give. Maybe this is it. I prefer to believe I trust Valve more than anyone else with something like this.

But which is it... (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926045)

This is unclear now: is it just a GNU/Linux distro (like Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, etc.), or a vastly different OS that happens to use the Linux kernel (like Android and Sailfish)?

Secondary effects. (4, Insightful)

Jartan (219704) | 1 year,8 days | (#44926127)

This could have a lot of ripple effects.

1) Improved Wine support.
2) Better cross platform libraries/tools.
3) Linux distro optimized for gaming.

The interesting thing to consider is that Valve doesn't need to turn a profit right away. It's a private company and Gabe is looking at the long game here. He sees his reliance on Windows as a weakness and he intends to change that.

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