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California Elementary Schools To Test Anti-Piracy Curriculum

timothy posted 1 year,6 days | from the if-I-can-control-the-textbooks dept.

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New submitter newbie_fantod writes "Ignoring the fact that the surest way to get a child to do something is to tell them not to, the RIAA and MPAA have developed an anti-piracy curriculum for kindergarten through grade 6. The pilot project is scheduled for testing in California schools later this year." Mitch Stoltz, an EFF attorney, isn't impressed: “It suggests, falsely, that ideas are property and that building on others’ ideas always requires permission,” Stoltz says. “The overriding message of this curriculum is that students’ time should be consumed not in creating but in worrying about their impact on corporate profits.”

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Indoctrination and Propoganda (5, Interesting)

killfixx (148785) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935191)

It's worked for years with every other product...

Get them while they're young and you'll have a "___________" (insert appropriate noun here) for life... Customer, slave, zealot, etc...

The only problem is that government is allowing corporations to push their agenda in the classroom... It wasn't enough to have it at the beginning of every one of their Disney movies --you know, the ones that kids watch ad infinitum, now they're allowed to spread their FUD in the schools, too! Yay!

How long before we see "Lunch! Sponsored by McDonald's", etc...

That's not the only issue at play here...

The backers for this program (RIAA/MPAA) are all wealthy, so their kids will never see these things in school. They'll be free from the propaganda and allowed to be creative and free. But, not the common man, because he can't afford freedom...

Hrmm... I wonder if that's how this is supposed to work... Freedom for those that can afford it...

Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia...

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (4, Funny)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935317)

So do the Sony Youth get a special knife?

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935341)

It's funny that you call Star Trek a Utopia when every other episode and every movie involved violence, sedition and the near-destruction of our planet.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935355)

"Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia..."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (1)

nopainogain (1091795) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935439)

anyone who thinks in a world where businesses make technology there can be a Star Trek future makes me want to pat them on the head and look for their lost helmet.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (1)

kenshin33 (1694322) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935559)

they don't make : they fund, "own", sell and buy.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (1)

nopainogain (1091795) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935979)

yup, anyone who signed-on as an IT professional, even we no-coding-network-ops drones know... there's a document when you're hired that says if you create it, they own it.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935379)

Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia...

How much money you got? And who would be willing to throw money into the pot to buy up a country or island, cause that's about the only way this would ever happen, for those that want it..

I do agree/wonder, with your statement...

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935417)

"It's worked for years with every other product..."

Not always. DARE, despite being only incrementally less popular than apple pie and jesus, consistently turns in effectiveness numbers somewhere between 'useless' and 'teaches impressionable children about cool drugs that they should try' whenever some killjoy stops taking its effectiveness on faith and tries studying it.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (0)

killfixx (148785) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935537)

Fair enough... I wasn't thinking of DARE... It's a great program... Just poorly marketed...

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935733)

DARE... It's a great program... Just poorly marketed...

What? I think you got it backwards. The marketing must be great, because it's still in use all over. But it is a terribly ineffective program, as has been shown repeatedly.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (4, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935421)

The only problem is that government is allowing corporations to push their agenda in the classroom...

Well, it's not the only problem: I distinctly remember as an elementary school student getting "lessons" about how awesome the latest war effort was, and being required to sing patriotic songs, and of course the reciting of the Pledge of Allegience which requires students to profess a belief in God. Oh, and watching "Channel 1 News", which was sometimes informative but often not and supported by commercials.

Basically, the problem is that it's easier to dupe kids than it is adults, so there are lots of organizations who are positively salivating at the prospect.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935593)

Always on religious bigot on here. Why didn't you pick on the brown skin Muslims as well? They seem to get a pass, or do you just hate Christians? When I was in school, the propaganda machine was in the Liberal flavor, I'm sure it still is. FU

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (4, Insightful)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935743)

If there were a push for Islamic religious indoctrination in school, the humanists of the world (which I proudly consider myself one of) would be just as against it. So please, take your persecution complex back to church where you can pretend to be more Christ-like while screwing the poor and pushing your religious agenda on the rest of us. Your freedom of religion is no more important than my freedom from religion.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (2)

jythie (914043) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935841)

One of the ironies is that the bulk of the 'religious indoctrination in school' complaints that make it into the court system come from christians unhappy that their children are being pushed by some other christian sect, either in specific wording or beliefs about how worship is handled.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935927)

Ah, but those aren't "real" Christians. Only me and my sect have the real truth, therefore only my particular flavor of Christianity should be taught. Everything else is pure heresy. I'm pretty sure the historical Jesus would be aghast at all of the atrocities and hatred committed in his honor.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (2, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | 1 year,6 days | (#44936047)

I have no problem with people believing in God. I have all sorts of problems with government-funded schools demanding that students say they believe in God.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935459)

"Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia..."

Only if you pay the licensing fee for Star Trek-eque utopian futures to CBS Paramount...

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935471)

Hrmm... I wonder if that's how this is supposed to work... Freedom for those that can afford it...

Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia...

Actually, that is the Star Trek Utopia. The shows focus on the "haves" of the UFP, but even The Original Series had some glimpses of the slave classes that no one likes to talk about in polite company (and Deep Space 9 was the first to actually show the economics of its main cast).

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (1)

Khyber (864651) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935957)

"and Deep Space 9 was the first to actually show the economics of its main cast"

They only showed that for Quark and a couple of non-main characters.

You must be thinking of Babylon 5, where economics actually played a role in the plot of the series.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (2)

internerdj (1319281) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935473)

"Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia..." Monsanto will own all the patents for replicator recipes for food. Feeding your family will require a monthly licensing fee.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935861)

"Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia..." Monsanto will own all the patents for replicator recipes for food. Feeding your family will require a monthly licensing fee.

And there will be enough food for everyone. Do _you_ know how to grow/process all the food you eat? No? Shut up and enjoy not starving to death, then.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (4, Insightful)

johanw (1001493) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935897)

"Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia..."

The USA seems to me more en route to a Babylon 5 police state under president Clark.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44936031)

How long before we see "Lunch! Sponsored by McDonald's", etc...

You are way behind the times, my friend. 10 years ago my friend went ballastic because his Kindergartner came home talking about how much she liked Pizza Hut. Having never been to Pizza Hut, he was curious what she was talking about. Turns out that Pizza Hut donated a bunch of Pizza Hut themed supplies to the Kindergarten in return for getting to spend the day leading the kids in various songs and play about how great Pizza Hut is. That shit has been going on for a decade. You should check out what your public schools are doing to grovel for money.

Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44936061)

Yeah! We need to put an end to all this hurtful indoctrination of someone else's ideals in our children! We need to make sure it's all OUR indoctrination instead!

Posting AC due to obvious speaking truth to hypocrisy.

School == Copying (4, Insightful)

RichMan (8097) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935247)

We learn by copying. Write what you see on the board. Repeat after me. Read the book aloud ....

Overlaying an "anti-piracy" theme is just going to be confusing and counter to the whole process.

Re:School == Copying (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935345)

And seriously? This is just a complete and utter waste of time. There are just so many issues in the world, and they're trying to create a curriculum to teach people not to copy/disseminate certain data? As always, this anti-piracy nonsense is completely pathetic.

Re:School == Copying (1)

nopainogain (1091795) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935545)

but, but, but, if we don't fine 11 year olds six-figure-penalties for downloading songs, Miley Cyrus could be forced to drive a used Ferrari! You evil tyrant trying to take beluga caviar off the plate of that hungry buttless girl!

Re:School == Copying (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935569)

The rich opted out long ago. The middle class is beginning to opt out as well. I wonder when the poor will be the only ones in the education system and how long after that it is deemed unnecessary by Republicans.

Re:School == Copying (2)

JWW (79176) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935797)

The "new" kindergarten.

Remember, kids, its good to share, unless we punish you for it.

Re:School == Copying (5, Interesting)

gmuslera (3436) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935873)

Science is about copying. Civilization is about copying. Human culture, and maybe even what is being human is about copying. We would never be where we are if a lot of people weren't standing on the shoulders of giants. Denying copying is worse than asking to reinvent the wheel each time, is forbidding to invent or use it because someone else have the exclusive rights over a basic, common sense idea.

If you want to define intellectual property stealing, is taking exclusivity over an idea, not letting anyone to have it, no matter how common sense, how easy is to get there (i.e. adding "on internet", "on mobile" or "on computer" to common activities to patent it) or how indepently other people get it.

And doing that in the current scenario where the US government is blatantly copying whatever US citizens and the rest of the people of the entire planet do, write, and create is to consider people retards and saying it aloud.

first questions in the pre-test are... (1)

nopainogain (1091795) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935249)

Do you own an eye patch? yes or no Do you own a little raft with an outboard motor and an RPG? Do you believe the letter "R" is also a word? If you answered yes to any of the above, we found our violator.

Re:first questions in the pre-test are... (4, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935625)

Do you own an eye patch? yes or no
Do you own a little raft with an outboard motor and an RPG?
Do you believe the letter "R" is also a word?

If you answered yes to any of the above, we found our violator.

Your test makes no sense. So kids with a lazy eye in tiny boats, carrying a copy of D&D are rapists?

Re:first questions in the pre-test are... (1)

nopainogain (1091795) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935845)

someone get this guy a copy of Pirates of the Caribbean, a newspaper from April 2009, and a primer on sarcasm.

Fuck ... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935259)

Industry trade groups have no fucking business writing curriculum for children.

These assholes are of the impression the own everything, and that all of our laws and rights are subject to their approval.

Whatever idiot in the education system decided that indoctrinating children to the viewpoint of corporations should fired.

I can almost bet this will have things which are an incorrect interpretation of the law as it exists, and is nothing more than corporate propaganda.

This is the problem with America, whatever a company wants is considered right and good -- even when it's bullshit.

Re:Fuck ... (1)

gtall (79522) | 1 year,6 days | (#44936011)

You could use Texas as a another entity that should be keep far away from anything "education" seeing as most their legislators and certainly their governor have never met a scientific theory they liked. Word is they'll be gunning for the theory of gravity next, all that relativity is likely to warp the moral compass of their kids.

What idiot is allowing this (2, Interesting)

silas_moeckel (234313) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935271)

Most family's are forced to send there child to public schools by there circumstances. What idiot is letting a private organization force propaganda on them DARE was bad enough.

Re:What idiot is allowing this (4, Funny)

Joce640k (829181) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935361)

Most family's are forced to send there child to public schools by there circumstances.

And some people fail to take advantage of even that standard of education, failing at basic grammar.

Re:What idiot is allowing this (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935371)

Helloooo??? It's in California, home of the movie industry? How do you suppose this change came about?


And, as long as we're talking about schooling,

Most family's are forced to send there child to public schools by there circumstances

That's "families" plural, not "family's" possessive, and "their", as in 'belonging to them', not "there", 'a place other than here'.

Re:What idiot is allowing this (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935781)

Well, his parents were forced to send him to public school by "there" circumstances.

Re:What idiot is allowing this (1)

aaaaaaargh! (1150173) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935847)

That's "families" plural, not "family's" possessive, and "their", as in 'belonging to them', not "there", 'a place other than here'.

Please do not copy advice from the Chicago Manual of Style without proper permission!

Re:What idiot is allowing this (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | 1 year,6 days | (#44936013)

It's not a copy, it's a derivative work!

Re:What idiot is allowing this (3, Funny)

intermodal (534361) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935581)

In High School, most of the people I saw wearing DARE T-shirts were stoned out of their gourds.

That said, if there was any doubt that schools have vastly strayed from the job of educating, here's proof.

Re:What idiot is allowing this (1)

internerdj (1319281) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935767)

We let it happen all over the country with all sorts of issues. If it is important to the parents or the politicians then it will get in, at least briefly. The question is: Are the parents informed enough to challenge it?

Is this a joke? (5, Informative)

pablo_max (626328) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935311)

Is it really the case that you have companies and special interest groups creating the curriculum for your children?
How do you, as parents stand for this? You do know that you can go to the school board and freak out right? I think step 1 would be to organize a district wide freakout on the school board. Step 2, private school.

Re:Is this a joke? (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935511)

You do know that you can go to the school board and freak out right? I think step 1 would be to organize a district wide freakout on the school board. Step 2, private school.

Which I should think would have about the same effect as telling your elected representative your displeasure ... the people who pay them huge money in campaign donations get their ear, and the rest of us can go pound sand.

The *AAs likely made some donations contingent on having their views on copyright be required in school. And they will skew the facts the way they always do on the topic of copyright, so the kids will be getting lied to.

And, I'm betting the vast majority of parents can't afford to send their children to private school.

Re:Is this a joke? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935805)

Here in MD a man was just arrested for freaking out at the school board, who had structured their meeting so that only questions they approved would be answered. Good luck with your freak out.

Re:Is this a joke? (1)

jythie (914043) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935877)

Schools increasingly depend on corporate sponsorship to stay afloat since parents have been complaining about property taxes for decades.

Re:Is this a joke? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935901)

You are looking at it from the wrong angle. I have a special topic I want "taught" to the children at an early age. Step 1: Can I contribute enough to the school board members' re-election funds to get it in the curriculum. Step 2: Am I in a majority of people who want this taught? Then organize a district wide freakout on the school board and in the papers. Step 3: Am I in the minority? Threaten lawsuit and possibly follow through over discriminatory or exclusionary curriculum. Or if I'm really lucky then I can do all three.

How do I get in? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935315)

So, with me being a private entity with an agenda, how do I get my ideas to be taught at school?

Is there finally hope that we can teach the toddlers to not use emacs?

Re:How do I get in? (4, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935479)

Is there finally hope that we can teach the toddlers to not use emacs?

"Little Mogambo will go to bed tonight with EMACS. There's no cure, but there is hope, through research. Send your generous donation to..."

I got an idea... (3, Informative)

GrimShady (2714901) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935319)

Maybe they should teach them other stuff like math, science and reading before consuming resources protecting the income of Justin Beiber. Just sayin...

Copyright is not about protecting an idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935327)

It's about protecting the realization of the idea, in a form detailed enough that it could realistically have only come from the authors (excluding occasional boundary cases like the melodies of popular songs).

Are anti-shoplifting laws attempts to regard ideas as property? A phone handset, after all, is the end result of a staggering number of individual contributions in science, engineering, and manufacturing.

Re:Copyright is not about protecting an idea (1)

nopainogain (1091795) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935377)

Intellectual Property laws crack me up anyway. I mean does every single person who makes a green-light-bulb pay a royalty to the descendants of Edison? I strongly doubt it. It's one of those things that was introduced with the intentions of protecting creators on the surface but at the end of the day it just keeps the "important" people in "important positions".

Re:Copyright is not about protecting an idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935599)

Uh, no. Anti-shoplifting laws are attempts to punish people after they steal your physical property. Copyright, on the other hand, is just garbage.

Corporations and Government (4, Insightful)

Esion Modnar (632431) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935423)

working together. There's a word for that.

Re:Corporations and Government (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935611)

Corporations and Government working together. There's a word for that.

'Merika!

Re:Corporations and Government (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935653)

'MERICA?

Re:Corporations and Government (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935789)

Yes! Ol' Merica!

How about anti-plagiarism education? (2)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935465)

The real problem with "kids these days" is that the internet has made it easier than ever to copy someone else's work and pawn it off as one's own. Of course, it's also become easier to Google a few sentences of a kid's paper and find that they cribbed it from a website, but even so, this is a pervasive problem. So if you're educating children that taking other people's intellectual property is wrong, how about starting with academic dishonesty and plagiarism?

Re:How about anti-plagiarism education? (1)

Salgak1 (20136) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935707)

. . .until you run into firms that do this, like "TurnItIn.com". That immediately claims all submitted papers as THEIR intellectual property. . . .

Sesame Street is to be ignored... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935485)

So on one hand they get characters on Sesame Street encouraging them to share... and then these asshats try to obliterate that message?
If my kid were on one of these schools, I'd be looking for another school: A school has no place in trying to protect companies' business models, it's there to teach (hopefully) critical thinking amongst things, and this surely isn't part of that.

What about getting it into Church as well? (4, Interesting)

Aguazul2 (2591049) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935493)

Maybe it would be better to pay religions to convince the faithful that they will be tortured in Hell for copying things. Religions have a lot more experience with this kind of thing. I mean, WWJD? Would he download that torrent? Really? (Ignoring the incident with the money changer's tables for a moment.)

Re:What about getting it into Church as well? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935835)

Don't mix religion with copyright.
Before you know it they'll band together and turn on the schools again...

Re:What about getting it into Church as well? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935925)

WWJD? Make copies of fish and bread and feed everyone. Duh.

Re:What about getting it into Church as well? (1)

johanw (1001493) | 1 year,6 days | (#44936045)

Sounds like scientology to me...

Obama (1)

jeff13 (255285) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935497)

Well, yea but, how can we make this Obama's fault?

Re:Obama (1)

roc97007 (608802) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935815)

Well, yea but, how can we make this Obama's fault?

Um, ok, I'll bite [huffingtonpost.com] .

But really, it's more widespread than that. Were it entirely an Obama problem, we'd only have to live with it for a few more years. For people who actually believe that, I have a shiny new bridge to sell them.

Re:Obama (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935949)

He's the president. The buck stops there.

Re:Obama (1)

nopainogain (1091795) | 1 year,6 days | (#44936041)

as i've gotten older, ive gone from liberal, to conservative, to progressive and finally converting to "aware". they play this game where they pretend to work towards the interest of a subset of americans then they all do the same thing anyway. vote to make themselves and their friends richer. the dems, the reps, all of them.

It's actions like these (1)

FeelGood314 (2516288) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935515)

That make me feel dirty when I actually give money to these big media companies by going out to the theater and paying for content. I shouldn't be sitting in a movie worrying about how the $10 I just paid is going to be spent repressing me.

Re:It's actions like these (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935945)

You should feel dirty. Stop doing it.

I wanna be the teacher! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935571)

The course would look like this:
1. Publishers abused their absolute power
2. Pirateers returned power to the people
3. Finally publishers where forced to deliver resonable quality and as a result they are winning the competition with the free alternative.
4. Now the publishers are trying to restore their power by changing the law in their favor, against public interest.

Are you going to let them get away with it?

This is nuts! (1)

zyzzyxx (2131554) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935573)

I think whoever is allowing this to happen has his/her pockets stashed with RIAA/MPAA fund. This is indoctrination in the most evil sense. I want to ask the executives of RIAA and MPAA who are pushing for this to come forward and given an affidavit that they never copied anything ever in their life. The next thing they will come up with is "You cannot dress like James Bond" because that look is a someone else's idea. We all learn by imitating, this is the easiest and most basic form of learning. I thought California was a state of smart people, but I guess it is now inhabitated by dumb asses.

WTF? (1)

JDG1980 (2438906) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935575)

How can it possibly be justified to use scarce instructional time on this industry propaganda? California public schools have enough trouble teaching the stuff that society expects and needs them to teach, and they're seriously considering this garbage?

Don't Copy That Floppy (5, Funny)

wiredlogic (135348) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935589)

The Don't Copy That Floppy [youtube.com] campaign has been a marvelous success. Floppy disk piracy is now down 100%. Cali can expect similar success with their initiative.

Re:Don't Copy That Floppy (1)

Count Fenring (669457) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935697)

Urrrrgh. So close. Darn you for getting there first.

Re:Don't Copy That Floppy (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935991)

I know you're being funny, but personally, I think that copying has gotten a little bit out of hand. It was one thing when we copied floppies from friends. At least they had a copy, or they knew someone who had a copy who they got it from originally. But now, with technologies like BitTorrent, a single person can have a copy of a game, movie or music album, and from that one copy, can effectively transmit it to the entire world. Basically, everyone downloads from a single source. That would have been pretty much impossible in the days of the sneaker net. My uncle had hundreds of copied VHS tapes back in early 90s, but he was also one of Jumbo Video's best customers. Now, I know people with just as many movies, but they haven't spent a single cent that has gone to the movie industry. They simply just pirate everything, from a guy who may have possibly bought a copy (or rented), and then that copy got seeded out to millions of people. That kind of copying just isn't sustainable.

"To care is not to share" (1)

linebackn (131821) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935619)

The RIAA and MPAA message to children:

"To care is not to share"

The message I hope this sends to children is that possessing music or movies, even if legally bought, is potentially dangerous and to be avoided.

Lets move towards a world that is devoid of song and stories, and forget the fact these were a part of the fabric of humanity for thousands of years.

California (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935623)

Being that this is California, it doesn't surprise me one bit. California's laws and idealism fly in the face of everything the United States stands for.

Re:California (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935727)

Idealism's got nothing to do with it. "Content creation" (and support) is one of California's largest employers.

Does it teach abstinence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935627)

It seems like as long as we have DRM combined with a law as absurd with DMCA, the only way to really "win" is to not play. If you buy a DRMed movie and don't get authorization to descramble it (and who ever gets authorization?), you violate DMCA every time you play. If you pirate, then you only violate a law once, and if you don't get caught right then, then it's clear sailing. But if you want to really be safe, abstaining from the products completely, is the only legal way.

I can imagine teaching kids abstinence, and I can imagine teaching them single-risks (analogous to having unsafe sex, but monogamously, so if you're lucky the first time, then it's pretty safe from then on). But copyright with DRM is the worst, right now: that's analogous to unsafe sex with a new partner every night. The paying customer is the one who most often breaks laws, taking the greatest risks. It seems like if we teach kids about copyright, it's going to end up with either piracy or abstinence. That third option is totally crazy and therefore unethical to recommend.

The Bieber Example (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935631)

> “Justin Bieber got started singing other people’s songs, without permission, on YouTube. If he had been subjected to this curriculum, he would have been told that what he did was ‘bad, ‘stealing,’ and could have landed him in jail,” says Stoltz.

I think I speak for everyone when I say that I fail to find the problem in this outcome.

consider the tastes of kids K through 6 (1)

themushroom (197365) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935637)

There will be less piracy of Barney videos and KidzBop disks, but this isn't going to affect Justin Bieber's work much. It's after grade 6 that people start watching and listening to stuff the RIAA and MPAA are annoyed people want to consume without paying for!!

This isn't new (1)

EMG at MU (1194965) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935647)

Lots of big corporations fund initiatives in schools to get students on board with their agenda. A lot of high schools require a "personal finance" type of class where you get a pretend monthly salary and have to budget like an "adult". The fucked up part is that the program is sponsored by Comcast, ATT, and other big companies and you are required to budget for cable, land line, cell phone, internet, new car, ect... So we're letting big corporations convince high schoolers that being an adult means buying a bunch of shit that you really don't need anymore. You can bet they aren't teaching that you don't need to buy cable or a land line (especially if you cant afford it), you can drive a used car, you can split internet usually with people that live in your apartment building.

This has been going on for a long time and no one gives a fuck about it. They aren't going to start giving a fuck about it now.

Ideas and information as property (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935651)

You gotta wonder what these people really have on their agenda for enforcement. No doubt they don't believe in freedom of information and public libraries.
These crooked bozos are wasting there time because in the end economics prevails and cost of ownership of digital content is near zero.

Huh. (1)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935669)

that building on others’ ideas always requires permission

Well shit, I guess all those games I played on the playground as a child were bad, i never once asked for permission to use them or add new rules.

Remind me again why schools are funded by taxes? (1)

tlambert (566799) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935735)

Remind me again why schools are funded by taxes?

If they are going to be teaching propaganda instead of teaching them what they're supposed to be teaching them, I think I'd rather have them teaching creationism.

wow (1)

roc97007 (608802) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935747)

It's like they're trying to fail. I guess the same people who choose to stick with a business model that clearly doesn't work anymore, don't have the judgement to create effective deterrents either.

Copyrights brainwashing NOT ENOUGH? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935763)

You mean to tell me that the copyrights lobby didn't brainwash people enough? I mean, even on Slashdot there is a large minority, if not majority, of people who believe that copying == stealing. And now these guys want to indoctrinate the young even more?

I would like classes on...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935775)

......the Constitution, personal responsibility, and conservatism in politics.
Please give me a quote on what that would cost me, thanks.

I see a weird parallel in academia (4, Interesting)

aussersterne (212916) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935809)

with beginning grad students. In papers, they often feel like they have to cite every . last . factual . assertion . and . word . that . they . use, to the point of having paragraphs with 20 citations in them, unreadable. But they're so terrified of "plagiarism" and heard that lecture so many times at the beginning of so many classes that it's hard to talk them out of citing Pythagorus or some writing about him when using the Pythagorean theorem, Perskyi when using the word "television," and so on. Exhausting.

As an analog to this, they often hesitate to say anything new (i.e. anything they can't find a citation for). It's as though they feel like only institutions and the famous have license to make new things in the world, and then be cited. It recalls for me the similar divide between creators/consumers, with a hard territorial border in between the two camps, that RIAA/MPAA/BSA et. al. have tried to inculcate into the cultural consciousness.

Mitch Stoltz (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935833)

Mitch Stoltz, a legal troll who has made his life without any creative contributions, is not one to judge.

Having said that, this seems like it should not be part of any curriculum. That notion is offensive on many levels.

How do they come up with these things? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935875)

More brainwashing: just what our children need!

Hopefuly parents will have courage (2)

DarkOx (621550) | 1 year,6 days | (#44935923)

Hopefully parents will have the courage to let even their youngest children in on the fact that not everything Teacher says is true. She may even lie.

Most Americans have WAY to much respect for authority and to strong a faith in government. This might be a good instructive moment.

Tell the child look your teacher is telling you mommy is a criminal who should be in jail; do thing that's true? Well keep that in mind when the man on TV behind the podium says things about someone like 'snowden' it may or may not be true; so always draw your own conclusions.

Fight! Fight it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44935951)

Look,

Everything labeled "intellectual property", being copyrights, or patents or what have you, will ALWAYS boil down to mind police. If it can be coded in bits and thus stored in a computer, or if it can be stored in your mind, it is NOT a property.

Fight it! Pirate everything! Break this crap before it breaks us.

Evil bastards (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44936037)

What kind of country is the USA turning into now? There is actually a deliberate plan to brainwash kids into paying for films and music? I have no fucking idea why any parent would be happy about their child attending this course.

Why not just go all the way and have a gentle voice whispering commercial messages into every new born baby's cot?

Profoundly Immoral and Malevolent (1)

Multipleg (566584) | 1 year,6 days | (#44936051)

How broken does a society have to be to allow corporate interests to determine curriculum? In so many ways the US leads the world in notions of making knowledge available to the public. Try getting the rights to include an image of a painting held in a British museum for an educational documentary, then try getting the rights to one held in a US museum. Is the cultural empire the last leg of US superiority? What happens when we start dancing to pop music from another country and a foreign country exceeds Hollywood in terms of Box Office (China wants to in 5 years)? I can't help think the *AAs and the US govt have a larger agenda than mere downloading of film and music.

actually, this is great material. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#44936057)

You just have to use it properly. Explain who supplied it, why they supplied it, what is wrong with it, etc.
I bet this could actually be very beneficial if your goal is to teach the children how to think for themselves.

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