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GNOME 3.10 Released

timothy posted about a year ago | from the upwards-or-sideways dept.

GNOME 218

kthreadd writes "Version 3.10 of the GNOME software collection has been released. New in this release is improved support for Wayland, the upcoming X replacement. The system status menus have been consolidated into one single menu. Many of the applications in GNOME now features header bars instead of title bars, which merges the titlebar and toolbar into a single element and allows applications to offer more dynamic user interfaces. GNOME now also includes an application for searching, browsing and installing applications called Software. Several other new applications have also been added to GNOME including Music, Photos, Notes and Maps."

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Software (5, Funny)

geek (5680) | about a year ago | (#44964271)

"GNOME now also includes an application for searching, browsing and installing applications called Software"

I had to read that like 4 or 5 times before it clicked that the name of the application is "Software"

Re:Software (3, Interesting)

Mike Frett (2811077) | about a year ago | (#44964313)

While I don't really like Gnome 3, that new Software Center looks nice and clean. Not bad.

Re:Software (3, Interesting)

magic maverick (2615475) | about a year ago | (#44964787)

And they call their browser "Web". Yeah, I've got some troubles with accessing the web. What browser am I using? Eh, it says Web. Yeah, Web... No not Firefox, Web.
Or searching for how to do something or fix something...

This is actually a stupid thing, calling their software after generic terms related to the function. Epiphany is a much better web browser name than Web. Synaptic is a much better name for a software install than Software. Etc. Next they'll be re-badging Abiword as Word Processor.

(I am using a Gnome 3 as I type this. I understand later versions (like 3.8) are better. But I mostly cope with this version, because Ubuntu 12.04 actually works for now, and I don't want to break shit by upgrading.)

Re:Software (0)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year ago | (#44964801)

I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

Re:Software (0)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#44965639)

Just don't lose the whole byte.

Re:Software (3)

foxx1337 (1292800) | about a year ago | (#44965279)

I can already see myself googling around "Files crashing", "Software command line", "troubleshoot Disks" and finding immediately what I was looking for. These guys with Gnome really mean business. I bet their names are something like "Dude Johnson", "Nobody Smith", "Programmer Williams", "Name Thorne" or "Guy Pearce" (ok, not the last one).

MATE RULES! (1, Offtopic)

quonsar (61695) | about a year ago | (#44964287)

Gnome 3 is not for me.

Re:MATE RULES! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964411)

True, Gnome is targeting 99 % of all users. So it's natural that some will find better luck somewhere else. Gnome will still be here for you when you change your mind.

Re:MATE RULES! (5, Funny)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#44964449)

"True, Gnome is targeting 99 % of all users."

How bad of a shot do you have to be to target 99% of everything out there and still miss?

Re:MATE RULES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964491)

Since you're a desktop Linux user you can probably answer that question better than most.

Re:MATE RULES! (0)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#44964551)

I stopped using Gnome circa 2000 moron.

Re:MATE RULES! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964585)

Ha, gotya! Gnome wasn't released until 2002.

Re:MATE RULES! (0, Troll)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#44964635)

Bullshit. I first used Gnome circa 1997 you idiot. Earning you extra idiot points is the fact that 2002 is circa 2000. You just apparently have an inadequate understanding of the English language.

Re:MATE RULES! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964697)

Wow, you're so rude! As a woman, I find that "edgy" and attractive.

Re:MATE RULES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965663)

How can you find anything in that burka? Asking for a troll.

Re:MATE RULES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44966081)

Well then, there's this guy named "Linus" you'll absolutely fall in love with, let me get his number for you...

Re:MATE RULES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965519)

Bullshit. I first used Gnome circa 1997 you idiot. Earning you extra idiot points is the fact that 2002 is circa 2000. You just apparently have an inadequate understanding of the English language.

Ahh, that's the Zero Kelvin we've all come to expect. Thanks for proving, yet again, that Linux users are a bunch of butt-hurt assholes.

Re:MATE RULES! (0)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#44965535)

Yes. I would expect that you would have come to expect that I actually know what I'm talking about, and don't take kindly to those who intentionally spread misinformation ;-)

Re:MATE RULES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965837)

Actually, you rarely talk about much of anything substantial. Most your time on Slashdot is spent trolling, spreading FUD, and dishing out slander, mockery, and insults to anyone unfortunate enough to cross paths with you. I guess you feel you've got big shoes [slashdot.org] to fill.

Re:MATE RULES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964659)

Wat? Then how did I use gnome in the 90s?

Re:MATE RULES! (2)

Skiron (735617) | about a year ago | (#44964785)

~$ locate 1990's

~$which 1990's
1990's is found in Atari ST an old Spectrum48k that somehow kept going

Re:MATE RULES! (1)

madcat_sun (2812213) | about a year ago | (#44965275)

Indeed Mate is what it should be the latest 2.x branch instead of drop it, and gnome was released in spring 1999. Greetings

Re:MATE RULES! (0)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#44965945)

I used a 0.x version. Perhaps you weren't aware that it is possible to use Open Source software prior to a 1.0 release? It may have been 1998, and since I was going by rote and 1999 is also circa 1997 there is no "Indeed Mate" about it. Presumably your "Mates" are people who have no idea what they are talking about.

Re:MATE RULES! (3, Funny)

Chemisor (97276) | about a year ago | (#44964841)

When you are a gnome, you have to aim high to avoid shooting people in their feet.

Re:MATE RULES! (1)

Kjella (173770) | about a year ago | (#44964927)

You misunderstand, they're using shot guns and rock salt shells. It won't cause serious trauma if you turn and run, but it will cause painful stinging injuries and serve as a warning. The recidivism rate is low.

Re: MATE RULES! (1)

jd2112 (1535857) | about a year ago | (#44966347)

Sounds like they are doing everything they can to emulate Microsoft.

Re:MATE RULES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965331)

True, Gnome is targeting 99 % of all users. So it's natural that some will find better luck somewhere else. Gnome will still be here for you when you change your mind.

The problem is that 98.6% of those users that Gnome is targeting these days don't use linux, and probably never will.

Re:THEN GO TO THE MATE THREADS (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964537)

Then fuck off and don't bother commenting on a thread you care nothing about. Every time Gnome Shell is mentioned on Slashdot swathes of you haters come in and say how you will stick with Gnome 2 or it's more loyal successor and then continue to visit every Gnome Shell thread to post more hate comments, it's Open Source for a fucking reason, you aren't being forced to use it there are alternatives, and there are are forks from gnome 2, I don't go into MATE threads and say how i hate that incredibly aged paradigm.... so FUCK OFF and don't come back unless you actually care about Gnome 3.

Re:THEN GO TO THE MATE THREADS (5, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#44964725)

I realize it's passe in today's society to value fact, reason, and truth over feelings, impulse, and consensus, but it's still ok for people to state their opinions, whether they're using the product or not. Criticism should not be silenced for the sake of feelings. Frankly, gnome is just a collection of current design trends that are questionable at best, and that is the reason you see the commentary. The problem is bigger than gnome itself.

1. too much wasted space. I didn't buy a high res monitor just to have a giant tablet.
2. sparsely populated dialogs. I suppose this relates to #1, but still.. Why do we need 4000 extra dialogs to move through remedial tasks like changing backgrounds and color schemes?
3. hidden or nonexistent advanced tweaking. Again, a trend that makes living with computing frustrating. In this age, the user is assumed not suited to define his own workflow and layout, so we're all stuck with assumptions made by 'designers' who 'went to school for design', who never actually did anything else with their computers other than run photoshop...maximized fullscreen of course. To get what I want, I now have to manage a litany of patches against libgnome et al, or if I'm running windows 7, I have to hack up shellstyle.dll using a resource editor, and don't even get me started on windows 8. Why? This is not progress.

The problem boils down to placing aesthetics above functionality. This might work sorta ok for limited use devices, but not desktop machines used for complex workflows.

Re:THEN GO TO THE MATE THREADS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965427)

Not really seeing much in the way of objective facts in your opinion piece.

The problem boils down to placing aesthetics above functionality

I guess that depends on what you mean by functional.

Frankly, gnome is just a collection of current design trends that are questionable at best, and that is the reason you see the commentary.

So was Gnome 2! It was just followed the then popular and ubiquitous desktop paradigm started by Windows! Can you provide some objective facts to back up the opinion that it's a questionable design? At this point, criticism about Gnome-Shell is just criticism for the sake of being critical. We're 2+ years on from the initial release. It's obvious the project managers aren't going to reverse course. And the arguments I see at each release are the same. There's nothing new to be said. So what is it really getting anyone?

Contrasting your opinion, I like Gnome-Shell (the actual UI bit that runs on top of the Gnome 3 bits). Though I'm a fan of "sparse" desktops. My prior favorite was Openbox. Over time I found Openbox and the minimalist lot to be too much hassle to configure anymore.

And I don't get the whole "A GUI interaction for everything!" concept. I loath managing more than 3 or 4 windows. Don't even get me started on the dozens of dialogs and digging through layer after layer of menus. Coupled with a ridiculous amount of mouse interaction, I don't really see how that was any better. More familiar perhaps, but that does not equate to better. For me, Gnome-Shell works just fine:

1. I don't have an uber hi-res monitor because after a certain point the pixels are just wasted for what I do.
2. It's more polished and offers a more unified desktop experience than Openbox or other minimalist environs
3. Gnome-Shell extensions get me the rest of what I want
4. I can launch and navigate to what I need using the keyboard. I rarely have to mouse around

My only beef of late is the removal of split windows in Nautilus.

I do think the Gnome devs are pretty narrow minded and can be blowhards. Likewise, I think a lot of the folks grousing about how big a shipwreck Gnome-Shell is are likewise being overly dramatic. A free software project didn't do what you wanted? Oh so sad. Too bad there aren't any alternatives. Oh wait. If you want a UI that works exactly how you'd like, write it. Why is it someone else's responsibility to provide you with the tools you need? For free at that.

Re:THEN GO TO THE MATE THREADS (-1, Flamebait)

Skiron (735617) | about a year ago | (#44964821)

You sound like Linus. Take up a flute a blow a f*** few tunes. Gnome is crap now, so don't pipe up, please.

Re:THEN GO TO THE MATE THREADS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965169)

Gnome has always been a shit show. WMII 4 EVA!!!!11 LOL F4G

Re:THEN GO TO THE MATE THREADS (1)

n Rahimi (2983451) | about a year ago | (#44966057)

WMII , its development is not active anymore , you should switch to awesome or i3

Re:THEN GO TO THE MATE THREADS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964983)

One can hardly care nothing about something and hate it at the same time. Alsok, Gnome 3 has earned the hate. Clearly, former Gnome users were and still are betrayed.

Re:THEN GO TO THE MATE THREADS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44966379)

People do that in Microsoft stories, Apple stories, Google stories, etc. mostly to just hate on the company or product, why should Linux products be any different?

Re:MATE RULES! (4, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year ago | (#44964577)

Curious to know people's thoughts on this: how necessary are projects like MATE now that GNOME 3 has a supported-in-the-long-term "Classic" mode?

Re:MATE RULES! (5, Interesting)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about a year ago | (#44964647)

now that GNOME 3 has a supported-in-the-long-term "Classic" mode?

The Gnome developers have a long history of throwing out features and behavior based on a whim. Why would anyone believe that "classic mode" is going to receive long-term support?

Re:MATE RULES! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964749)

Because RHEL7 is going to use it as the default desktop environment, and Red Hat is the biggest paying contributor to Gnome.

Re:MATE RULES! (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44964847)

Because RHEL7 is going to use it as the default desktop environment, and Red Hat is the biggest paying contributor to Gnome.

So you think the people who paid for Gnome 3 so Linux admins could have a tablet interface on their servers are going to maintain YAGUI?

Re:MATE RULES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964925)

I'm running multiple remote desktop instances on my "servers."

Re:MATE RULES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965323)

Which is why they'll chuck it after RHEL 7 is released. They wanted to do it before, but gnome-shell still sucked mightly. Fortunately for Red Hat customers, saner minds at Red Hat prevailed and made the Gnome devs go back and support the classic mode. But make no mistake, by the time RHEL 8 gets ready to come out, the classic mode will be extinct.

Re:MATE RULES! (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#44964769)

I guess that depends on how 'classic' the classic mode is. Does it offer the same flexibility offered by gnome2/mate, or is it just a look-a-like?

Re:MATE RULES! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964989)

I recently converted from gnome 3.4 fallback to gnome 3.8.

I found it the most annoying pos to try and work with, until I started adding extensions to get back little bits of what I consider core functionality. Kudos to the gnome peeps for making it very easy to download/enable/disable various addons now. The only problem? Twenty fuckin extensions are required to get back those options I want, or to remove shit thats being forced down my throat. Then guess what...extensions often collide and interoperate strangely. Then you have 'mega extensions' that come with one small thing you want and twenty other features you give not a shit about, and, one of those other twenty things collides with another plugin you use.

Then you have the lockscreen. Maybe gnome devs don't use it, but I do, and locking and unlocking / resuming from screen off take anywhere from 30-60 seconds!?!?!?!?! The whole time you're like what in the fuckin fuck is going on.

Want to suspend? No you don't apparently. You only turn off your computer completely or reboot in gnome.

Want to try and use up more than a small portion of the top bar? Ok we'll start chopping the fuckin clock short so you can't read it AND clicking on the (now shortened) clock/calendary display to bring up the calendar pane? No clock on it, awesome. Not to mention it taking 2-5 seconds to pop up the stupid calendar pane.

So much in gnome 3 feels sluggish during operation, even if its just a ~100ms delay, that I feel like my i7 with 32gig of ram is from the early 00's.

Once middle click paste goes away gnome can go fuck themselves, but I'm sure by then they'll have removed more small things I didn't know I found vital---or forcefully prevent some current extensions from working anyways. /rant over

Re:MATE RULES! (2)

Zedrick (764028) | about a year ago | (#44965015)

The question is, how necessary are projects like GNOME now that Mate and Cinnamon exists? Gnome decided it was a good idea to suck, it's a wonder they still have any users. Why would we give Gnome another chance?

Re:MATE RULES! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965281)

Long-term classic mode? That's a laugh. It's gonna go away soon after RHEL 7 is released. They only brought it back because Red Hat knew that gnome-shell sucked (it still does, but slightly less than before) and it's customers would have complained loudly over being forced to use it. A decision, btw, which should convince any doubters that Gnome serves Red Hat's interests at the expense of everone else.

Looks great! (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964293)

I tried a Preview of Fedora 20 (Alpha out now, pretty stable!)

and Im liking where this is heading.

New Applications (5, Interesting)

lavamind (1111431) | about a year ago | (#44964295)

Several other new applications have also been added to GNOME including Music, Photos, Notes and Maps.

Is it just me, or is GNOME picking a completely new default multimedia applications every other release or so? Why can't they run with something for a few years, for a change?

Re:New Applications (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964519)

With every iteration of each Linux flavor, it gets harder and harder to install XMMS.

And I mean the late 90's XMMS that just works, not the completely different and unusable client-server XMMS2. Or any of the other multimedia disasters that attempt to deliver every imaginable feature - except a basic equalizer and an MP3 codec.

Sadface.jpg (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964661)

WinAmp (except for an awkward period) still looks like it did fourteen years ago, and it's still whipping llama asses.

I'll pour a 40 out for my dead homie, XMMS - it was truly a worthy counterpart.

Re:New Applications (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965581)

What's that? You mean the XMMS that hasn't been updated in ~6 years isn't working well on current Linux installs anymore?

use moc

Re:New Applications (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965677)

You could use one of the various XMMS-like players made with more recent stuff than GTK1 out there.

Like Audacious (gtk3) or qmmp (Qt).

Re:New Applications (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44966263)

Not to sound like a smart ass, but you really shouldn't be using XMMS anymore. They split up into "fancy" folk who created XMMS2 and "traditional" people who created Audacious. I'm using Audacious right now with one of the XMMS skins, it just has newer codecs and more advanced features, and works way better with modern systems.

Re:New Applications (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44966279)

When I want to play media, Totem just works. Totem is the new XMMS, IMHO. If you are a KDE user, then I guess you use something else named with a K. ("Kassette Player"? "rocK On"? "KMMS"?)

Re:New Applications (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965129)

It's called NIH (Not Invented Here). If a Red Hat Gnome developer isn't the maintainer of a Gnome app (like Shotwell or GThumb), then they'll go ahead make one of their own. Though for some reason they never called on for fragmenting the Gnome app community by spreading precious developer resources too thin by creating new projects in an area that already got plenty of alternatives. I guess Red Hat devs are the only ones allowed in the Linux ecosystem to remake-the-wheel, er, I mean, innovate and submit something new without getting shit for it by the /. crowd.

If I wanted a Mac I'd buy one (2)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#44964305)

Integrating everything one way that powers on high say it should be done isn't why I run Linux.

M.E.H. (3, Informative)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year ago | (#44964339)

Gnome and KDE went through similar histories. The maintainers (for some unkown reason) decided they had to radically change their product - just as Ubuntu decided to introduce a totally new gui a few years ago. The verdict with Gnome is almost universal - the new Gnome (Gnome 3, which you have with Centos 6, unfortunately) stinks and isn't getting any better. Nevertheless, those who offer Gnome - e.g., Redhat, SUSE, others - offer only the latest version. Redhat has made it the default. Their motto is "just get used to it". But there is one hugely positive development: Mint decided to fork the old Gnome, Gnome 2. Mint offers 2 versions of Gnome 2: the Cinamon gui and the Mate gui (pronounced matey, a type of tea). I have no experience with Cinamon but love Mate. I am using it on my main computer. I noticed recently that Fedora also offers a Mate variant. My guess is that eventually most of the distros will; they will offer their main gui, whatever it is, plus Mate, XFCE, LXDE, etc. I am guessing that Gnome 3 will eventually go away.

KDE4 is like Gnome 3 but actually improved as it developed. One of its peculiarities is that it offers 5 (I think) different ways of laying out and using the desktop. One of them - called Folder View - makes it quite similar to the discontinued KDE3. I have instances of folder view KDE4 in my PCLinuxOS and Mepis setups, and like it. Be aware, however, that KDE3, like Gnome 2, has been forked. If you go to the Trinity Linux website you will find that there are people who have rejiggered Debian, Ubuntu, and PCLOS with the KDE3 gui. In fact, one of my partitions is running Debian Wheezy with KDE3. One of the best things about KDE4 is the Dolphin file manager which I have imported into all of my non-KDE setups. It is far, far superior to every other file manager, including the old Konqueror, which Trinity KDE3 still has.

Re:M.E.H. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964395)

Nevertheless, those who offer Gnome - e.g., Redhat, SUSE, others - offer only the latest version. Redhat has made it the default..

TBF, RHEL 6 uses Gnome2 still and RHEL 7 will use Gnome3 in classic mode.

Re:M.E.H. (5, Informative)

geek (5680) | about a year ago | (#44964407)

the new Gnome (Gnome 3, which you have with Centos 6, unfortunately)

Centos 6 is using gnome 2 still. Not sure wtf you are on about.

Their motto is "just get used to it".

That's GNOME's position. Red Hat will direct you to other DE's if GNOME 3 isnt your cup of tea.

But there is one hugely positive development: Mint decided to fork the old Gnome, Gnome 2.

Again, wtf are you on about? Mint didn't fork GNOME 2. They forked GNOME 3 and created a new DE based on GTK3. The GNOME 2 fork is called Mate and is independent of Linux Mint.

Seriously, no one is going to take you seriously if you can't even get the basics straight.

Re:M.E.H. (5, Funny)

Nimey (114278) | about a year ago | (#44964733)

Seriously, no one is going to take you seriously if you can't even get the basics straight.

You must be new here.

Re:M.E.H. (5, Funny)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about a year ago | (#44964671)

KDE4 is like Gnome 3 but actually improved as it developed.

Of course. To put it anatomically, KDE 4.0 had its heart in the right place, even if its other innards were completely jumbled. The problem with Gnome Shell, on the other hand, is that it has its head up its ass.

Re:M.E.H. (2)

Arker (91948) | about a year ago | (#44965011)

"Of course. To put it anatomically, KDE 4.0 had its heart in the right place, even if its other innards were completely jumbled. The problem with Gnome Shell, on the other hand, is that it has its head up its ass."

Aptly put. Sad to say, though, as a result of the excessive attention paid to these projects and their anatomical difficulties, the state of the UI on Gnu/Linux and related systems has arguably degraded. The only consolation is that competing options from MS and Apple have seen the same thing happening. In their case it is clear why they are doing this - they degrade one platform in a bid to gain control of a different market. Monopoly rents being what they are I suspect this is a rational business decision.

It's hard to see any similar motivation for GNOME, which once upon a time was supposed to be about software liberation.

Re:M.E.H. (1)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about a year ago | (#44965137)

Has it really degraded? Thanks to Gnome Shell we now have Cinnamon. It's better than Gnome 2 ever was and is making its way to other distributions. Coupled with KDE 4.10 (when properly configured to avoid some pesky bugs), I'd say we still have two good options in the "full Linux DE" field.

Re:M.E.H. (0)

idontgno (624372) | about a year ago | (#44965355)

Has it really degraded? Thanks to Gnome Shell we now have Cinnamon.

That's an unreasonably optimistic way to view it. Comparable to a historian cheerfully commenting that the Holocaust wasn't bad; thanks to it, the world has the state of Israel.

Re:M.E.H. (1)

shipofgold (911683) | about a year ago | (#44964705)

Their motto is "just get used to it".

I did get used to it, and now I find I like it...With the extensions.gnome.org set of extensions, I find that I can customize it to my liking, and get back some of the old things I like, while keeping a lot of the new.

FWIW, I am sticking with GNOME3, and I am guessing I am not the only one.

Re:M.E.H. (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44964951)

I did get used to it, and now I find I like it...With the extensions.gnome.org set of extensions, I find that I can customize it to my liking, and get back some of the old things I like, while keeping a lot of the new.

So you, you know, 'got used to it', by rewriting it with extensions.

FWIW, I am sticking with GNOME3, and I am guessing I am not the only one.

So, what do you when you're put in front of someone else's Gnome 3 machine, which doesn't have your magic 'makes it not suck' extensions installed?

Or when the next release breaks all your extensions?

Re:M.E.H. (1)

shipofgold (911683) | about a year ago | (#44965187)

So, what do you when you're put in front of someone else's Gnome 3 machine, which doesn't have your magic 'makes it not suck' extensions installed?

Same thing I do when end up in front of someones Mac which I am not used to....or in front of someone's "themed" Firefox which doesn't have all my bookmarks...or someone else's Windows box that doesn't have all the applications I am used to. I figure it out with the tools I have at hand.

GNOME3 works for me, and I am not the only one who likes it.

If you don't like it, by all means find something you do like....but you will need a better argument than "what do you do when you encounter something different".

Re:M.E.H. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965047)

The fundamental difference here is that KDE4.0 was terrible because of technological and GNOME 3.0 was terrible because of a complete disregard for user preferences. One of these problems is fixable.

Re:M.E.H. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965205)

That verdict is far from universal. There are many people who LIKE the new Gnome, they are just not as vocal about it.

Re:M.E.H. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965857)

I'm British. Over here, "matey" is pronounced "may-tee". I've also lived in South America. The tea, maté, is pronounced "mat-eh" or "mah-tay" but definitely not "matey".

Re:M.E.H. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44966375)

Mate gui (pronounced matey, a type of tea

It's mate as in ma-tay, matey.

FVWM (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a year ago | (#44964341)

Does the new Gnome have a FVWM mode, so I can use it without going postal?

Looking forward to GNOME 3.11 (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964345)

Gnome for Workgroups!

Remember, faggots... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964351)

... when saying GNU/Linux, to lisp and hold your hand limp wristedly. A nice added touch is to have semen on your breath, and to walk funny... as if you just got pounded in the ass.

In that way you can truly fulfil the faggy vision of the smelly Stallman.

Re:Remember, faggots... (1, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year ago | (#44964445)

GNU/Linuxth? That'sth sthoooo lastht week.

Re:Remember, faggots... (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#44964833)

I thought that was the apple user stereotype. The linux nerd archetype is just a fat, ugly, basement dweller, usually with lots of body hair. Get your stereotypes straight!

Hey GNOME (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964355)

Go fuck yourself.

so why ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964365)

... is x.org server being "replaced" again? is it just another fucked-up mark shuttleworth decision? or is it going to land in other distributions too?

Re:so why ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964461)

Because the Xorg developers say that the code base is rotten and that this is the right thing to do.

Re:so why ... (2)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44964881)

Because the Xorg developers say that the code base is rotten and that this is the right thing to do.

Aren't the X.org developers the ones writing Wayland?

You'd think that no-one would trust developers who say 'this software we developed is awful, but the next version will be the best thing evah!'

Oh, hang on, that's been Microsoft's strategy with every Windows release in the last twenty years.

Re:so why ... (2)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#44964485)

So in your alternate universe Mark Shuttleworth has a relationship with Gnome that is not only "friendly", but he actually has a say in what they do? Because in this universe, none of that is true [markshuttleworth.com] .

So let me get this straight... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964419)

I should rush to install Gnome 3.10 because... erm... I get a wayland "experiment", I get new weather forecasts where "tomorrow night" comes before "tomorrow afternoon", I get a panel which shows me all sorts of crap when I just want to change the volume, and I get a cheap icon of a Leica camera with the logo changed to "Like".

Oh, and I get a confusing mishmash of window decorations for different applications, just so that they can offer me a close button "even when the window is unmaximized". AND I can get automatic geolocation rubbish messing with my clock and reporting my location continuously.

Wow. Where do I sign up?

Re:So let me get this straight... (2)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about a year ago | (#44964495)

...b-but, you get to set your lock screen wallpaper now! The GNOME developers are allowing unchecked and rampant levels of freedom never before seen (in GNOME 3).

Seriously, you know you're fucked up when you're touting something that's existed since Windows 98 is getting touted as a feature: https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.10/more-core-ux.html.en [gnome.org]

Re:So let me get this straight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964761)

Not to worry, it's being removed in Gnome 4.0, along with mouse and keyboard support for the new all-touch interface design.
Also removed is support for anything except MIPS processors and text is being phased out in favour of voice-only messaging.
Several developers are calling this 'the only way to get rid of loads of those old complicated source files that no-one wants to work on any more.'

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44964901)

I heard Gnome 4 will just be a black screen, because non-black pixels confuse users. Gnome 4.1 may include an option to select the color for the screen.

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

tyrione (134248) | about a year ago | (#44966287)

...b-but, you get to set your lock screen wallpaper now! The GNOME developers are allowing unchecked and rampant levels of freedom never before seen (in GNOME 3). Seriously, you know you're fucked up when you're touting something that's existed since Windows 98 is getting touted as a feature: https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.10/more-core-ux.html.en [gnome.org]

Seriously, what's fucked is Qt moving to WebKit Blink and GNOME wisely sticking to WebKit 2 means 2 sets of WebKit running around seeing as most of us have both DE on Linux/FreeBSD [KDE 4.10.x/GNOME 3.8.x Debian].

Gnome 3.10 looks good! (4, Interesting)

thule (9041) | about a year ago | (#44964451)

I understand some of the complaints. It get it. But, wow, Gnome is looking really good! It will be interesting to see how this new menu layout works. So far I haven't had any complaints in Gnome 3. I've been using Gnome everyday since it was initially released in the RedHat/Fedora distros. I've had more complaints with the bumps in the road with Fedora over the years than Gnome itself.

Re:Gnome 3.10 looks good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964747)

The screenshots sure look pretty, but let's take the weather app as an example... can I configure it to display humidity, can I switch to a graph view that'll plot temperature and rainfall by the hour? If I can't then what's the point... there's already 5000 superior alternatives, esp. web-based.

Re:Gnome 3.10 looks good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964873)

I guess.. if all you want to do is run a browser full screen and set your desktop background..

Re:Gnome 3.10 looks good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964923)

Wow, a satisfied Gnome user - rare breed it seems. Can I ask what you do on your computer all day?

I ask because Gnome 3 was such a reverse in productivity for my needs, i deemed early on that it was dead to me. I do a lot of heavy computing and coding and am a happy Mate user. I have work to do and a life to live - i don't need my wheels reinvented every thursday by a bunch of UI "specialists" who don't seem to have serious work to do on their computers. What kind of tyrant has the right to tell me i can't put files on my desktop? Please, my rage meter skyrockets at the thought.

Re:Gnome 3.10 looks good! (2)

thule (9041) | about a year ago | (#44965387)

I'm a Linux systems admin... specifically the hot word these days is "DevOps". I code Ruby/Chef all day. So I flip desktops from web/terminals/email/irc all day. A lot of terminal/ssh stuff. A lot of editing files. I run about 3-5 KVM machines on my desktop box for testing (using virt-manager).

w007 fp!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964473)

Number of FreeBSD = 1440 NetBSD their hand...she feel obligated to than its Windows Time I'm done here,

I hate it first! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44964531)

I wanted to hate it first. :(

Please skip the next version (2)

Imagix (695350) | about a year ago | (#44964627)

Please skip making a 3.11 version... just to avoid another flood of ".. for Workgroups" jokes.

Re:Please skip the next version (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | about a year ago | (#44965527)

Please skip making a 3.11 version... just to avoid another flood of ".. for Workgroups" jokes.

Uneven version numbers are development releases. It's never been any different in Gnome.

Re:Please skip the next version (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965611)

Relax, stable GNOME versions are always even (3.6, 3.8, 3.10... you get the idea).
The odd versions are reserved for development... so "for workgroups" is going to be an internal joke only.
These bastard GNOME designers, taking even the jokes away from us.

Configuration (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965089)

After using Gnome 3 for a while on Debian Testing I've noticed the lack of configuration options.

I have wished that I could see both the time *and* the date on the top level bar that you can't add or delete anything from, but no, I'm sure that would be "too confusing for the users".

Now that I've purchased an Android stick to run XBMC, the TV computer can now be converted to a real machine and run stumpwm or ratpoison as $deity intended.

So two weeks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965319)

So a new version of Gnome is out, so in 7 days we will get a new build from X.org (should be the 3rd of October), and then one week after that, a new version of Ubuntu (should be about the 10th of October). The Ubuntu version will be 13.10 (2013/October).

I hope this will actually work on my tablet... (1)

the 0x (2883849) | about a year ago | (#44965471)

I have a Samsung T700, and i've been trying out SO many UI's, seeing if one will actually work. So far no luck. It mainly comes down to the on-screen keyboard. If all these UI's are being designed for more of a tablet feel, it's a shame they haven't focused some effort on getting the on-screen keyboard right. I'm hoping 3.10 will have made some improvements...

Gnome developers just don't get it nor ever will. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44965591)

The constant state of flux and capricious addition of rather dubious and unneeded features while removing popular ones doesn't really make for a great desktop. It's just a fast way to piss everyone off as they move on to better things.

Cliche as it may be, I've used Gnome Shell up to version 3.6.. I've test driven 3.8 and 3.10 and quite frankly it's bad enough my linux desktop wants to upgrade every 6 months and break everything but now my desktop environment just adds another pitfall of upgrading and being hit with massive amounts of change.

I would like a stable DE that refines itself but doesn't constantly strive to redefine itself every time I apt-get upgrade.

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