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Microsoft Shows Off Its Vision For Gesture-Controlled PCs

Soulskill posted 1 year,28 days | from the wave-your-hands-in-the-air-like-you-just-don't-care dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft has demoed a prototype gesture-controlled PC using an augmented version of its Kinect motion sensing system. The rig detects 16 gestures and can be used to navigate Windows 8. Microsoft said it wants gestures to complement what is possible using mouse and keyboard, rather than replacing them, and the system favors simple gestures made just above the keyboard, rather than more elaborate Minority Report-style gestures. '[A] window is maximized by clenching a fist to "grab" it and then opening the hand while moving towards the top of the keyboard. Performing the same series of gestures in reverse minimize the window. Repeating the gesture while moving the hand to the left or right edge of the keyboard docks the window with the left or right edge of the screen. The same series of gestures while moving the hand to the top left and right corners of the keyboard will throw the window to the left or right of screen, but not dock it with the edge. Bringing hands together in the middle of the keyboard and then moving them to the keyboard's left and right edge with palms down and fingers splayed will show the desktop. Repeating the gesture restores the original view.'"

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What happens (5, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971555)

When you raise your middle finger?

Re:What happens (4, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971587)

I've been using the same gesture at Windows machines for years. Doesn't do any good.

Re:What happens (1)

mounthood (993037) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972915)

You have to do it before the blue screen.

Re:What happens (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971635)

Raise three of them to reboot.

Re:What happens (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971729)

According to BillyG, Ctrl-Alt-Del is all IBM's fault.

Re:What happens (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971817)

According to BillyG, Ctrl-Alt-Del is all IBM's fault.

But having to use it is Microsoft's fault.

Re:What happens (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971657)

Error data submission prompt.

ACFalos

Re:What happens (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971695)

http://youtu.be/wW-4LU79qbU?t=14s

Re:What happens (1)

Nemosoft Unv. (16776) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971713)

Instant FORMAT C:

Re:What happens (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972091)

You get a message "It appears you have raised your middle finger. Are you sure you want to screw your own computer?"

If you nod 'Yes" - you get a message: "Not good for your testicles. Are you really sure you want to go ahead?"

You still nod "Yes" and you get video clips of the chair-man to assist you in the process.

Re:What happens (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972303)

I'm sure that'll be in their next demo, right after this one. [imgur.com]

Re:What happens (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972305)

If it made Iron Byron smack Ballmer or Gates, I'd actually consider buying a Microsoft product again.

Re:What happens (1)

PPH (736903) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972569)

Reboot.

You've finally got your wish [slashdot.org] Mr. Gates. One finger to reset the system.

Can we skip this stage of UI (3, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971599)

Touchscreens are a big enough step down from mouse and keyboard for getting utility out of computers. Can we just skip all the steps until AI conversation/mind reading? Thanks.

Re:Can we skip this stage of UI (0, Troll)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971717)

we can skip it but the fucking researchers sure wont. because they have no imagination and they have to do something.

yes, this takes no imagination to come up with. thus people have came up with such ui's for years and years and nobody really has come up why you would use a system like that unless your hands were covered in poo or something.

Re:Can we skip this stage of UI (1)

foniksonik (573572) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971871)

This version of gestures actually looks very usable. Just map the gestures to what makes sense for your workflow. Unless you have a clenching fist tick it won't get in the way.

This is way better than touchscreen for desktop. No gorilla arm syndrome for daily use but could be extended to LeapMotion like controls for when you do want fine control (maybe use a gesture to turn that on/off or stick with a hot key if it is too easy to do by chance).

Re:Can we skip this stage of UI (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972147)

The gestures don't exactly look comfortable, either. Can you imagine making the choke-a-chicken shape every time you wanted to Search? Wait, don't answer that...

Re:Can we skip this stage of UI (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972721)

I agree. Leave your mouse hand where it is, and quickly flick a window out of the way or maximize it. Makes sense, and could be seamless if done right.

Re:Can we skip this stage of UI (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972705)

Actually, if these gestures are right above the keyboard and simplify annoying things like maximizing windows, it could work. Far better than touchscreens. They'd have to be non-mouse hand only so that you could be right there after the gesture.

Re:Can we skip this stage of UI (1)

chuckugly (2030942) | 1 year,28 days | (#44973033)

For many people, most of the time both hands are non-mouse hands, and the more time that could stay so the better.

Add this to Cars (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971609)

Cars should have this! There is no good reason to lean forward and touch a screen to adjust the volume and skip a track. If we had gestures in cars that would be a real breakthrough.

Re:Add this to Cars (3, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971819)

Cars should have this! There is no good reason to lean forward and touch a screen to adjust the volume and skip a track. If we had gestures in cars that would be a real breakthrough.

Let's think this one through, AC.

Imagine going down your typical American freeway, surrounded by barely controlled four ton (3600 kg) home entertainment centers at 70 mph (110 km/hr for the rest of you). Now, imagine, if you will, that same freeway with half the 'drivers' gesticulating wildly trying to get the last Justin Bieber track to play again.

Violence will ensue.

Re:Add this to Cars (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971875)

gesticulating wildly
How does it work in New Jersey?

Re:Add this to Cars (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971927)

It would make an awesome TV show though.

Re:Add this to Cars (1)

Kazman20 (2935619) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971923)

I thought the break through was when they installed thumb controls on my steering wheel , now i can keep both hands on the steering wheel and operate all the accessories. no need to wave my hands around the car.

Re:Add this to Cars (1)

X0563511 (793323) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972263)

Hell the voice commands on mine are pretty snazzy. You can tune directly to radio stations etc. Push the on-wheel button with your thumb, it beeps, and you say (for example) "tune to ninety seven point one" and away it goes to 97.1 FM. It also understands that "six hundred" couldn't possibly be an FM radio station and tunes to AM 600khz.

Presumably you can use this for much more than just radio stations but I haven't experimented. In any case, the voice activation button shows data on the dash screen about what it's doing, and if you're stopped you can scroll through valid inputs etc.

Re:Add this to Cars (1)

gtall (79522) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972885)

User: Computer, could you please open MS Pooperpoint?

Computer: Pooperpoint? I don't have control of the toilet, would you like me to arrange that?

User: No! Okay, open MS Powerpoint.

Computer: Too late, I now have control of the toilet.

User: Please open MS Powerpoint.

Computer: I cannot do that, Dave, I flushed all your Powerpoint presentations, that's what you requested, yes?

User: Please go stick your head in the toilet.

Computer: ** burble bubble bibble ** Wow, that was refreshing, Dave. We here at MS Voice Control and Command Center wish to compliment you on your choice of commands.

Re: Add this to Cars (1)

stokessd (89903) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971959)

Maybe you plebs can't, but I've got steering wheel controls on my car. Problem solved

Plus car software and hardware is light years behind terrestrial software and nobody can get gestures reliable and useful there. There's no hope for cars.

I've got your gesture right here (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971625)

But I'm not sure what function an extended middle finger would control.

Re:I've got your gesture right here (2)

symbolset (646467) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972407)

I believe that is the gesture for "ask nVidia for an open API."

Wow ... (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971653)

So no I have to lift my hands from the keyboard to control stuff?

Just how many of the normal motions I make with my hands will trigger random window events?

Sorry guys, but this sounds like a terrible idea, and not one I'd be interested in.

So does having a camera/motion tracker in front of me all day long, especially since Microsoft has already tipped their hand at being able to gather all sorts of extra data with it.

Re:Wow ... (5, Insightful)

QuietLagoon (813062) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971753)

I have to lift my hands from the keyboard to control stuff?

Don't worry, this is just Microsoft trying to look innovative. This, too, shall pass.

Re:Wow ... (2)

gstoddart (321705) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971853)

Oh, I'm sure they'll keep trying to look innovative. ;-)

I just think they seem to be missing the mark and coming up with stuff that everyone is asking "what the hell would I want that for?"

Re:Wow ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972087)

There are indeed existing solutions. I have a 13 button mouse with the most common navigation tasks mapped to it - home/end, pg up/pg down/ pause on media player, space, paste in quotes; simple gestures move right/left between tabs, reload, reopen last tab. Simplifies browsing a great deal, and I can kick back in my easy chair or lie down in bed without having arms sprawled across the laptop keyboard.

Insert one handed typing jokes here.

Re:Wow ... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972183)

There are indeed existing solutions. I have a 13 button mouse with the most common navigation tasks mapped to it

LOL ... do the ladies swoon when you tell them this?

I'm not sure I'd be interested in even trying to train myself to keep track of which of 13 buttons I'd mapped to those things.

If I wanted to surf the web while I was laying in bed or in my easy chair ... I'd use my tablet.

Re:Wow ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972859)

It's no more difficult than remembering which knob controls the heat for the A/C in your car. Good luck finding a tablet with an 18 inch screen.

Re:Wow ... (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972145)

It would be hysterical to release a bunch of flies/mosquitos into a room of testers.

Windows opening & closing all over the place as they try to grab/swat them.

Re:Wow ... (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972287)

Oh, they are. Ammonia sorbet. That's innovative. A double ended scalpel. How about a shredder attachment for a printer?

Re:Wow ... (1)

Megane (129182) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972405)

Just how many of the normal motions I make with my hands will trigger random window events?

I have a bad enough time with "tap to click" on touchpads. It inevitably generates false-positive clicks just from me moving the pointer around. And I've had this happen both on OS X and Windows laptops. (The Windows laptop incident was a couple of weeks ago, on someone's nearly brand new laptop running W8, so it's not an OS-specific problem, or old touchpad technology.)

The two-finger "right click" thing may be enticing, but it'll probably generate clicks while using two-finger scrolling, which is the ONLY special trackpad motion that doesn't annoy me with false-positives. (Note that this is specifically with trackpads, not touch-screens. For one thing, touch screen devices don't need you to drag the cursor around the screen. But I don't own any such devices, thus limited experience with them.)

Re:Wow ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972411)

So no I have to lift my hands from the keyboard to control stuff?

Actually, this would be a good interface for porn software. The gesture-control would track your (ahem) hand movements, and adjust either the game progress, or the picture slideshow, in appropriate fashion.

You see, any and all advancements help get us closer to the holy grail: sexbots.

Re:Wow ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972469)

Just wait until Apple actually find a real use for it and implements this right.

Re:Wow ... (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972845)

If you're typing, you wouldn't need to gesture. Same way you don't need to use the mouse while typing, unless there's that rare time you type with one hand while mousing. And even then, either hand should be able to gesture. It sounds pretty usable, actually.

Get off my keyboard, kids! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971663)

So much technology and processing, just because keyboard shortcuts are uncool.

Interesting research (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971671)

I sort of doubt this will directly result in saleable products though. You'd want these gestures to control something besides the WIMP desktop interface - let's say, large appliances.

I guess this is one of the knocks on Microsoft Research (which is stocked with researchers with impressive backgrounds) and its relationship with the product groups at MS.

Up down up down up down with a semi open clenched (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971675)

Kinect has a camera and an internet connection and a company that sides with General Alexander of the NSA. A man I think should be in prison right now.

What gesture does a loosely clenched fist doing an up-dowbn-up-down motion suggest? That's you that is.

Launching internet explorer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971703)

by butt fisting yourself.

Windows 8 is not Keyboard friendly (1)

aquabats (1985346) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971719)

After mainly using Windows 8 at home "...Microsoft said it wants gestures to complement what is possible using mouse and keyboard, rather than replacing them..." seems like a complete 180. Using a keyboard in Windows 8 feels like im using some new beta device with sketchy drivers.

Re:Windows 8 is not Keyboard friendly (2)

metalmaster (1005171) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971961)

you're doing it wrong....

All of my goto shortcuts that I use on a daily basis work just fine. That includes some of the ones introduced in Windows 8 to access charms. I edited a registry key to disable the mouse-in/mouse-out actions for left, right and bottom screen. However I use win+i to open the control panel charm to shutdown the computer when I need to. You may just need a primer for windows 8 shortcuts

Re:Windows 8 is not Keyboard friendly (0)

gstoddart (321705) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972011)

I edited a registry key to disable the mouse-in/mouse-out actions for left, right and bottom screen. However I use win+i to open the control panel charm to shutdown the computer when I need to. You may just need a primer for windows 8 shortcuts

Or, you know, Windows 8 shortcuts are non-intuitive and confusing to users.

If their 'shortcuts' need a tutorial, then it sounds more like they've been badly designed.

Re:Windows 8 is not Keyboard friendly (3, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972279)

My opinion is that MS doesn't do well with simplicity and minimalism. You might say that Win 8 is a step in that direction but in order to use Modern well, you need a touchscreen. Add this new sensor, that's 4 different interfaces. That's not simpler; it's more complex.

Replace or augment? (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971735)

...Microsoft said it wants gestures to complement what is possible using mouse and keyboard, rather than replacing them...

Didn't Microsoft say a similar thing about the new interface in Windows 8 and the Start Menu? Yet Microsoft tried burying the Start Menu, only to be chastised by its customers for doing Yet Another Stupid Thing.

Keyboard shortcuts (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971757)

And this is better than keyboard shortcuts how? Gestures are useless if you have to remove your hands from what you are doing. They rent't any easier to learn since you still have to learn the gestures. What is the benefit of gestures for a desktop computer?

AVI or did not happen... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971783)

Come on, static shots on some setup which no one wants in their livingroom with douche practising Tai Chi hardly counts as "showing off".

Translation (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971789)

Microsoft is now attempting to drive the norm in PC interaction to something requiring their hardware and the use of patents they hold.

If Apple or Google came up with this... (2, Insightful)

Morpeth (577066) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971801)

people would be singing its praises and talking about how totally amazing it is, but since it's MS... well, we can't do that now, can we :)

Re:If Apple or Google came up with this... (3, Funny)

UnknowingFool (672806) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971907)

Google already did [google.com] but it was an April Fool's joke in 2011. Typical MS: their joke is 30 months late and not as well executed. What you mean this is real? ;). I can see applications for Kinect for Windows but just not as a replacement for a keyboard and mouse that is right there. For presentations it might be okay.

Re:If Apple or Google came up with this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972069)

Flamebait... So mod points were given to paid shills...

Re:If Apple or Google came up with this... (1)

innocent_white_lamb (151825) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972985)

I wonder if Google's April Fool joke will count as prior art for invalidating the inevitable patents that MS will try to surround this technology with.

Not to mention the gesture interface operated by Tom Cruise in the Minority Report movie...

Re:If Apple or Google came up with this... (2)

BeerCat (685972) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972989)

Google already did [google.com] but it was an April Fool's joke in 2011.

And Douglas Adams did it before Google even existed:

A loud clatter of gunk music flooded through the Heart of Gold cabin as Zaphod searched the sub-etha radio wave bands for news of himself. The machine was rather difficult to operate. For years radios had been operated by means of pressing buttons and turning dials; then as the technology became more sophisticated the controls were made touch-sensitive--you merely had to brush the panels with your fingers; now all you had to do was wave your hand in the general direction of the components and hope. It saved a lot of muscular expenditure, of course, but meant that you had to sit infuriatingly still if you wanted to keep listening to the same program.
Zaphod waved a hand and the channel switched again.

(grabbed from http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=1329 [technovelgy.com] )

Re:If Apple or Google came up with this... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971917)

Nope, it would still be stupid.
Touch interfaces only work when their are no other options, this crap is being done right above a perfectly good alternative.

Re:If Apple or Google came up with this... (1)

foniksonik (573572) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971977)

I actually think this is awesome. If they can license leap motions tech as well, even better. Yes hot keys could do some of this but some things like scrolling and zooming would be better as gestures. Lots of people don't keep hands on keyboard at all times either for legitimate reasons. Many many people use a mouse as their primary input and only type when necessary. If this could replace the mouse as a general pointer like a virtual track pointer (aka nipple), it would be great.

Re: If Apple or Google came up with this... (1)

jd2112 (1535857) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972039)

Didn't you get the memo? Apple and Google are hated on Slashdot almost as much as Microsoft now. But since its a bad idea its only a matter of time before Gnome adds this feature.

Re:If Apple or Google came up with this... (2)

geek (5680) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972085)

people would be singing its praises and talking about how totally amazing it is, but since it's MS... well, we can't do that now, can we :)

What makes you think that? I'm platform agnostic and even I think waving your hands around in front of a screen is more a kin to what crazy people do than what productive technology does.

I think talking to my gadgets is lame too (Apple, Google). Everyone seems to be trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Keyboards and mice work very well.

Re:If Apple or Google came up with this... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972099)

Apple wouldn't demo until they developed it into a useful, shipping product.

Re:If Apple or Google came up with this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972475)

No, if Google came up with it, we'd be talking about whether Google is becoming evil and this is some kind of creepy ploy to steal your information. If Apple did it, we'd be talking about how fanboys are going to love it, even though it sucks. Since it's MS, it gets written off as simple incompetence.

Either way, it doesn't seem all that great.

It sounds to me (2)

msobkow (48369) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971863)

It sounds to me like bringing up the desktop requires a variation on a praying gesture. :)

Re:It sounds to me (1)

msobkow (48369) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971883)

No, I didn't read the article or watch any videos.

But bringing the hands together sounds like a position of prayer to me. :D

Re:It sounds to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972035)

and paying is required...

Worse than touch on desktops (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971881)

Do you know why touch is ultimately bad for desktops? Because it isn't very precise. And now they want to add a system that is even less precise.

This looks cool, but once the wow factor wears off, will anyone want to use this interface for any length of time?

Re:Worse than touch on desktops (-1, Flamebait)

0123456 (636235) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971949)

This looks cool, but once the wow factor wears off, will anyone want to use this interface for any length of time?

No, but Microsoft will require you to keep the camera on at all times, so the NSA can hook into your telescreen whenever they want to spy on you.

Re:Worse than touch on desktops (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972285)

Now we all looks like mimes, Tai Chi masters or crazy people.

Re:Worse than touch on desktops (1)

taustin (171655) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972939)

Do you know why touch is ultimately bad for desktops? Because it isn't very precise. And now they want to add a system that is even less precise

That's their point, though. The less precise the UI, the less control you have over the computer. And their goal is for you to have no control over your computer whatsoever. That way, the only thing you will be able to do, all day long, is consume their ads. The only way around the ads will be paid for content (which will only reduce the ads, and convert them to paid product placement ads). Eventually, I suspect, they will try to do away with the off switch.

I wish I were exaggerating for effect.

As a long time neckbeard... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44971947)

... I'd like to smugly suggest Microsoft look into a tabbed window manager. It'll help you avoid waving your arms around like an idiot when you just want to do something simple with your computer.

augment keyboard and mouse, not (1)

DriveDog (822962) | 1 year,28 days | (#44971999)

I might be surprised, but I don't expect to use gestures much when I'm using the keyboard and mouse. I don't want more—I want better replacements. I have never used the idiotic "Windows" key, nor do I ever click the mouse's scroll wheel. I use the function keys more than my colleagues, and that's not much, because the things I use them for I learned before Windows and mice. Though I like the idea of a Dvorak keyboard, I'm not going to bother with it because it only offers an incremental improvement. So... save the gestures for the car and the holodeck. That way it'll be obvious to the cops when people are texting while driving. My suggestion for desk work? It would have been chorded keyboards or gloves, but now I think we're going to get brain-direct control pretty soon. So I'll wait for it. But given the thoughts people have, they'll want to check their emails very carefully before sending!

Re:augment keyboard and mouse, not (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972447)

The Windows key is responsible for a lot of very useful shortcuts. You must be a noob.

Exercise (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972025)

I'm glad they qualified it with augment, not replace, keyboard and mouse. Big, arm-waving gestures are cute for a sci-fi movie or a novelty, but stupid for reality. When they do finger gestures as my hands rest at the keyboard and mouse, let me know.

Even "mouse gestures" where you waggle the cursor in spirals and vague rectangles went nowhere.

use your imagination! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972107)

Not something I'd want for daily usage, but there are realistic scenarios where you might want to reduce/eliminate physical contact with the keyboard, and perhaps something like this might be useful: avoiding contamination, letting you still hold onto something else, lessening chance of mechanical failure, and simplifying interaction modes (such as with public info terminals).

Meanwhile, South of the Alps... (2)

Hognoxious (631665) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972157)

"Benvenuto a Micarosofta Supporta. Owa can I a helpa you?"

"All a my filesa are disparata! Whassa go on? Anche I sold my casa on eBai for a packa di cigarettas. And I donta even smoka!"

"Awhat a you toucha?"

"Nieddu, no toucheda niente. I was a justa askinga mi colleghi if they wanta coffee..."

Re:Meanwhile, South of the Alps... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972423)

Funniest post ever, by far.

testing? (2)

martyb (196687) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972187)

Just how in the world do they expect us to automate our tests, now? Will we have to program little hand-waving robots to make gestures? And we'll, of course, need different-sized hands and fingers, too.

Just imagine a room full of computers with hand waving robots whirring around running unit, functional, and system tests of a new app.

Then imagine filing a bug report with explicit steps to reproduce.

Oh, this will be fun.

Re:testing? (1)

Megane (129182) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972467)

That's what monkeys [folklore.org] are for.

While all the hate? (0)

pablo_max (626328) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972195)

I really don't get. Why is it so hugely popular on /. to jump on MS so hard? People go on and on and how BSOD jokes and so on, but I just don't get it. Windows, IMO has been very stable since XP. and W8 is very stable, regardless whether you like the new UI or not. Heck, windows has been amazingly secure when you consider the amount of users /hackers concentrating their efforts on the platform.
I would say, at the present time, Microsoft is much more inventive than Apple. And yet Apple gets the most innovative company award each year. For what? For fucks sake, the iphone 5s is EXACTLY the same as iphone 2G! Oh wait...it's bigger. And they have a tablet version of the same fucking thing! Surely that is innovative, right?

Also, people bitch like hell over how much W8 sucks because of the new UI, except these are the very same asshats who claim MS suxs and never innovates. If you hate MS so much, why are you so upset when they change the product?.

People can say and think what they want of course, but at this point, I would much rather get behind MS than those D-bags in Cupertino or trust google to look after my privacy.

Re:While all the hate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972387)

but at this point, I would much rather get behind MS

Why would you want to "get behind" *any* multi-national company? They're all out to screw you in various ways. MS uses bogus patents (which they won't even name) to screw money out of every Android device buyer, and cooperates enthusiastically with the NSA etc.
Only a naive fanboi or a shill would want to "get behind" them.

Re:While all the hate? (2)

Megane (129182) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972527)

I really don't get. Why is it so hugely popular on /. to jump on Apple so hard? People go on and on and how expensive it is jokes and so on, but I just don't get it. OS X, IMO has been very stable since 10.3. and Mavericks is very stable, regardless whether you like the new UI or not. Heck, OS X has been amazingly secure when you consider the amount of users /hackers concentrating their efforts on the platform. I would say, at the present time, Apple is much more inventive than Microsoft. And yet Microsoft gets the most market share each year. For what? For fucks sake, the Windows Mobile is EXACTLY the same as Windows CE! Oh wait...it's bigger. And they have a tablet version of the same fucking thing! Surely that is innovative, right?

Also, people bitch like hell over how much iOS 7 sucks because of the new UI, except these are the very same asshats who claim Apple suxs and never innovates. If you hate Apple so much, why are you so upset when they change the product?.

People can say and think what they want of course, but at this point, I would much rather get behind Apple than those D-bags in Redmond or trust google to look after my privacy.

Re:While all the hate? (1)

matt328 (916281) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972647)

All the hate is because I have enough RSI just using a keyboard and mouse for 8 hours a day. Get comfy in your chair, now hold your hands out 6" above your keyboard for 60 seconds. Next try 5 minutes. How uncomfortable will you be after physically gesturing with your hands for 8 hours? How about after a week of 8 hour days doing that? 6 months or a year?

Windows isn't a thing I use when I'm bored at home and want to surf the web for a bit. As a professional engineer working at a company where its use is mandated, it is my toolbox. I use Win7 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week, and it works well enough the way it is, so its natural I feel a bit protective of it.

Playing devil's advocate and sensationalizing a bit here, but hopefully I've explained at least some of the hate for this particular piece of tech.

Re:While all the hate? (1)

digsbo (1292334) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972779)

... now hold your hands out 6" above your keyboard for 60 seconds. Next try 5 minutes. How uncomfortable will you be after physically gesturing with your hands for 8 hours? How about after a week of 8 hour days doing that? 6 months or a year?

What you're describing is quite similar to what an orchestra conductor does. And, in between periods of conducting, they often curse at the orchestra in anger because it didn't do what was intended. Maybe we'll see Windows 9 marketed with a "Conductor" UI?

Dear Microsoft (4, Insightful)

clickclickdrone (964164) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972289)

I want a keyboard, a mouse and Windows 7. Anything GUI wise that belongs on a phone/tablet or involves me talking out loud or waving at my PC, well basically, sod off.

Fap Fap Fap (1)

MadCow-ard (330423) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972291)

So does it restart, shut down or turn on the webcam and start up chat roulette? I can think of a few gestures done regularly in front of a PC.

Another "me, too" by MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972367)

A company called Leap Motion, if I recall, has a working product on the market which does the same thing (and looks WAY better).

Well they better release an entire new OS... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972377)

Where gesture is the core of the OS. Better remove the Start page for something more gesture centric...

plz fix delays first (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972421)

The delays in switching windows, changing users, remoting in at different resolutions.

These make make any gesture addons unreliable.

NSA approved gesture controllers (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972441)

Where do I signup to have the customer experience feedback program send Microsoft pictures of me acting like a retard in front of my PC?

UI apocalypse (1)

cOldhandle (1555485) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972557)

The film Minority Report is going to single-handedly do more damage to UI design than even the falling cost of touch-screen technology.

I can't wait 'til ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972575)

...Michael J. Fox sits down in front of one!!!

you insensiWtive clod! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44972643)

We've reached that awkward stage in technology (1)

istartedi (132515) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972765)

We've reached that awkward stage in technology, where the things you routinely disable on a machine are approaching parity with the things you enable. Gestures are one of the first things I disabled on my laptop. Finger print scanner? Don't use, which is essentially disable. Most scripts on web pages? There are plug-ins to disable them. Windows 8 UI? Third party apps were made to roll it back. And so on and so forth. It's all core wars now.

As with any awesome Microsoft "vision"... (1)

The123king (2395060) | 1 year,28 days | (#44972849)

It'll never make it to production and all the nerds will mourn what could have been... (Microsoft Surface (the original), the folding book thing, the microsoft house of the future, etc etc)
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