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First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Emerge In the United States

Soulskill posted about 10 months ago | from the enjoy-your-weekend dept.

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Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Having spent the last decade wreaking havoc in Russia, a flesh-eating drug called Krokodil has arrived in Arizona, reports Eliza Gray at Time Magazine. The Banner Poison Control Center has reported the first two users of the drug which makes user's skin scaly and green before it rots away [Warning: Graphic Images]. Made of codeine, a painkiller often used in cough syrup, and a mix of other materials including gasoline, paint thinner, and alcohol, Krokodil become popular in Russia because it costs 20 times less than heroin and can be made easily at home. Also known as Desomorphine, Krokodil has sedative and analgesic effects, and is around 8-10 times more potent than morphine. When the drug is injected, it rots the skin by rupturing blood vessels, causing the tissue to die. As a result, the skin hardens and rots, sometimes even falling off to expose the bone. 'These people are the ultimate in self-destructive drug addiction,' says Dr. Ellen Marmur. 'Once you are an addict at this level, any rational thinking doesn't apply.' The average life span of a Krokodil user is two to three years, according to a 2011 TIME investigation of the drug's prevalence in Russia."

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Gross, but... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980175)

Seems to be a somewhat self-limiting problem. Users will die off fairly rapidly.

Re:Gross, but... (5, Insightful)

AK Marc (707885) | about 10 months ago | (#44980295)

But it's not. Drug users want something cheap and accessible. The market will always be there, even if only a few partake. If heroine were legal, nobody would die. But so long as we think they deserve it, it's ok to enforce policies that kill millions.

Re:Gross, but... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980433)

If heroine were legal, nobody would die.

Like nobody dies from alchohol abuse?

Maybe fewer people would die. But it's obviously not "nobody."

Re:Gross, but... (0, Troll)

nomadic (141991) | about 10 months ago | (#44980487)

"If heroine were legal, nobody would die"

People die from heroin overdose, or the effects of heroin use, all the time. Increasing the supply and decreasing the price of this is not the best way to stop that from happening.

Re:Gross, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980595)

How about establishing a treatment program for krocodil users? We have methadone treatment for heroin addicts, so we could have jenkem treatment for krocodil addicts. Damn I'm good!

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Gross, but... (5, Informative)

BKX (5066) | about 10 months ago | (#44980607)

Heroin overdose among experienced users with steady supplies are unheard of. Heroin is quite safe, actually. The overdose problem is usually among black-tar heroin users who inject or snort (rather than smoke or eat) who then buy white powder heroin. Black-tar heroin is very impure (20-30%), being manufactured directly from unpurified opium or poppy straw extract, while white powder heroin is very pure(80%+, unless heavily cut), being manufactured from purified morphine. Even when cut, white powder heroin tends to be at least twice a potent as black-tar. Furthermore, black-tar and white powder are misnomers; both are yellow to yellowish brown, which is how those overdoses happen.

Until recently, white powder heroin was only available in large cities such as NYC, but now it's moving West, leading to a string of overdose deaths along the east coast and as far west as Michigan.

If it were regulated and legal, this entire class of overdose deaths would be eliminated. Considering that this type of overdose death is the majority of overdose deaths in the US, we are killing people by keeping it illegal. Considering the rate of overdose deaths among long-time users, legalization would result in fewer overall deaths, even if everyone picked up the habit. Now that you know all this, you and all other prohibitionists, especially those in Congress, are engaged in willful murder.

Have fun sleeping tonight, murderer.

Re:Gross, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980615)

The reason people die from heroin is that they try to quit, can't, and go back to the same doage that they used before they tried to quit.

Problem is that in the mean time their body has lost some of its resistance, and so what used to a safe dosage ends up being a potentially fatal one.

Also, with no rating and regulatory system there is nothing but the dealers word that what they get is of such and such quality/potency.

Re:Gross, but... (1)

i (8254) | about 10 months ago | (#44980645)

People die because the don't eat and because of infections. They don't eat because they have to use all their money to get he drug. And they get infections becuase they don't have access to clean injection needles - mainly because of the criminalization.

Re:Gross, but... (1, Informative)

garyoa1 (2067072) | about 10 months ago | (#44980581)

Can't think of a single film where the heroine was illegal.

Re:Gross, but... (0)

Kjella (173770) | about 10 months ago | (#44980583)

If heroine were legal, nobody would die.

Because heroin never killed anybody. Even in peer reviewed medical journals like the Lancet where they ranked [dangerousgames.com] alcohol #5, tobacco #9 and cannabis #11, heroin was by far [blogspot.no] #1. It's already the kind of drug no sane, recreational drug user would take only an addict looking to blast his mind and body into oblivion. Yes you might save a few who'd get hooked on Krokodil but if you get more heroin addicts instead you'll do way more harm than good.

Re:Gross, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980653)

The market will always be there, even if only a few partake.

i.e. a self-limiting problem. It's not like phones, where growth in cell phone use didn't seem to end until virtually everyone had one. We're never going to hit a situation where everyone in the country is injecting homemade opiates so toxically impure their flesh starts necrotising. There just aren't enough people stuck with a level of stupidity or desperation sufficient to want to escape into narcotic dreamland at that price.

Re:Gross, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980463)

At least they aren't injecting themselves with SQL.

Re:Gross, but... (1)

Garridan (597129) | about 10 months ago | (#44980641)

In a well-regulated market where customers know what they're buying, you would be absolutely correct. However, you're ignorant about the reality of drug market, and it shows.

Many dealers are sketchy assholes only out to make a buck. When demand drops on an already-cheap drug that they bought too much of, it gets cut into other more expensive drugs. If it gives a similar high to (say) heroin, then it'll get mixed with heroin. The effects will be less pronounced, but just as bad over time. The user gets addicted to it, and pretty soon, any other dealer's product won't give the fix.

Natural selection (1, Flamebait)

ZorinLynx (31751) | about 10 months ago | (#44980179)

I think the availability of this substance should be encouraged. If anyone is supremely dumb enough to inject this into themselves, our overall gene pool can only benefit as a result.

Re:Natural selection (4, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 10 months ago | (#44980199)

Ahh, the soft empathic voice of Slashdot.....

TLDR; this is an incredible dumbass drug. They take codeine, which apparently is easier to get than heroin Russia, run it through some Mad Men style kitchen chemistry, don't really bother filtering it, don't have a clue about what they made then... wait for it... inject it. Bypassing every single organismal defense mechanism save for the few remaining T-cells that the user's bone marrow has scrounged up.

Violence will ensue....

Re:Natural selection (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980265)

Slashdot. Filled stem to stern Dwight Schrutes of the world - posting vitriol on a saturday morning.

Re:Natural selection (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980365)

And I seriously hope that the entire population of Detroit and the south side of Chicago take up this drug, so these regions can then be repopulated by humans.

Re:Natural selection (1)

damaki (997243) | about 10 months ago | (#44980619)

You know, drugs are not about being smart, these are about having a shot at it, feeling good, then getting addicted.
But well, with an average 3 year life expectancy for Krokodil users, it's not going to be a problem for long...

Re:Natural selection (4, Funny)

phantomfive (622387) | about 10 months ago | (#44980297)

If you read the article, some of the images are rather horrific. That said, the best parts are some of the comments, like this one:

Oh, sure, but if someone tries to climb Mt. Everest and ends up losing their fingers, toes and half their face to frostbite, it was an exhilarating human adventure, eh?

Mt. Everest kills a higher percentage of its users than methamphetamine.

Though, okay, I suppose injecting gasoline into your veins is a pretty bad idea.

That guy should join a debate club because he would win after his opponents all fell over laughing.

Re:Natural selection (5, Insightful)

plover (150551) | about 10 months ago | (#44980549)

I saw an independent Australian documentary on Krokodil in one of the southern Russian cities, like Novobirisk. The addicts (in theit teens or twenties) figured they had about a week to live, and cared about nothing, living in a garbage pile in an abandoned building. The film crew tried to observe a drug buy, but ended up being chased by someone who spotted them. It was a incredibly sad, terrifying film.

For their part, Russian officials are claiming that the Taliban is shipping cheap drugs north across the steppes in an attempt to corrupt and destabilize their cities.

I'm all for legalization of a lot of substances and ending the Violence Due To Illegalization, but this one is so over-the-top in terms of both addiction and toxicity that I don't know what a rational response could be.

Re:Natural selection (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980631)

What the addicts are after are something that can satisfy their morphine (heroin is refined morphine basically) addiction, but at a lower cost. This insane blend supposedly does.

As such, making safer alternatives available under controlled conditions for cheap prices would in essence undermine the market.

Re:Natural selection (4, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | about 10 months ago | (#44980655)

I'm all for legalization of a lot of substances and ending the Violence Due To Illegalization, but this one is so over-the-top in terms of both addiction and toxicity that I don't know what a rational response could be

Even if drugs were legalized, this one would still be illegal, much like adding melamine to children's food is illegal. Legalizing drugs doesn't mean we have to legalize everything.

Re:Natural selection (1)

liquidpele (663430) | about 10 months ago | (#44980309)

The issue is that teenagers are pretty fucking stupid for a few years before they typically become productive members of society.

Re:Natural selection (2)

ericloewe (2129490) | about 10 months ago | (#44980457)

I'm not sure the supremely stupid will ever be productive members of society. Stupid people don't just develop out of great kids, now do they?

Re:Natural selection (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | about 10 months ago | (#44980577)

Sorry but any teens shooting codeine and gas into their veins? not gonna be worth anything to anybody but the prison industrial complex. i live on what is called "the meth highway" so I see this kind of shit all the time and even if they quit meth after only a few years? they still have lifelong mental and physical problems and usually end up on disability or homeless.

So sorry anybody that is THIS hardcore when it comes to getting high? Not gonna be useful down the line.

Re:Natural selection (2)

NettiWelho (1147351) | about 10 months ago | (#44980317)

I think the availability of this substance should be encouraged. If anyone is supremely dumb enough to inject this into themselves, our overall gene pool can only benefit as a result.

There is a world of difference between not caring if you're alive 3 years down the road because you perceive your life not worth living and doing it just 'for fun'.

Besides, it is not a 'flesh eating drug'. The problems are caused by the impurities because these amateur chemists have no idea what theyre doing.

Furthermore, none of those people would be making it themselves if more safer alternatives were available.

It acts too slowly to prevent reproduction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980345)

So no, it's not any good.

Re:It acts too slowly to prevent reproduction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980539)

Convince users it works best when injected directly into their reproductive organs?

Re:Natural selection (5, Insightful)

GNious (953874) | about 10 months ago | (#44980527)

You're missing something ...

Krokodil is NOT for those wanting to get high/stoned/whatever for cheaps.

It is a drug for when everything else is just not cutting it anymore.
It is a drug for when nothing in life really matter, besides the next fix.
It is a drug for when you've accepted that you're going to die from drugs.

Krokodil is the thing users turn to when everything else has been tried, when all there is left is the pain and the high and when you're beyond the regular kind of drug-addict-gone-fucked-up.

"Dumb" has nothing, what-so-ever, to do with it.

Re:Natural selection (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980541)

Maybe we should include it as well on cheap Double Sized McDonalds combos, two birds in one shot, maybe three depending on weight.

This is the result of the counterrevolution (1)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | about 10 months ago | (#44980191)

Capitalist counterrevolution in 1992 made the former Soviet Union a hell for workers, women, and all the oppressed. For new October revolutions! For the communism of Lenin and Trotsky!

Re:This is the result of the counterrevolution (4, Insightful)

Nadaka (224565) | about 10 months ago | (#44980389)

Pure c1ommunism has no more answers that pure capitalism.

The ideal is somewhere between. Where capitalism reigns for all luxury goods and services, but the basic necessities are made available by the state, either directly as the case for utilities and healthcare should be, or indirectly with a non means tested basic income system that provides enough income to every household for a meager subsistence.

Someone call walter white (2)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 10 months ago | (#44980193)

the drug apparently needs some work....

Blindness and hypocrisy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980201)

In before slashdotters explaining why chocolate, tea and coffee are all legal drugs as dangerous as flesh eating drugs and that they are only allowed while flesh eating drugs are forbidden because poeple are bigots and hypocrits.

Re:Blindness and hypocrisy (1, Redundant)

AlphaWoIf_HK (3042365) | about 10 months ago | (#44980221)

Hey, if someone wants to take this garbage, who am I to stop them? I'd say it's a decent way to get rid of a few imbeciles.

Re:Blindness and hypocrisy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980351)

I have no intention trying to stop people from eating chocolate or drinking tea or coffee either.

Misleading (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980207)

I didn't read the article, but I did watch a documentary on this. The drug is not flesh eating per se, it is just supposed to be injected IV and if you miss and inject subcutaneously it causes necrosis. At least that was my understanding.

Solution (5, Insightful)

blue trane (110704) | about 10 months ago | (#44980213)

Legalize heroin.

Re:Solution (1)

dk20 (914954) | about 10 months ago | (#44980277)

doesn't have a good control framework like Cigarettes/alcohol which are legal and profitable for the government, especially here (Canada) with the "SIN TAXES".

Re:Solution (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 10 months ago | (#44980287)

More importantly, it doesn't have a powerful lobby like Cigarettes/alcohol do. Someone has to pay off those senators!

Re:Solution (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 10 months ago | (#44980417)

Colorado is working on it for marijuana. They appear to be taking a careful, considered approach and I'm going to bet this is the framework for all sorts of 'bad for you but good for the economy' things to wander down the pike.

This country is looking like something out of a Robert Heinlein novel. Where's The Prophet?

Re:Solution (5, Insightful)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 10 months ago | (#44980443)

doesn't have a good control framework like Cigarettes/alcohol which are legal and profitable for the government, especially here (Canada) with the "SIN TAXES".

In the places where it has been decriminalized, the problems associated with the use of drugs like heroin were not just significantly but drastically reduced.

That doesn't prove cause and effect but it has been consistent enough to suggest that inductive logic is appropriate here.

Re:Solution (2)

Garridan (597129) | about 10 months ago | (#44980515)

Implementation of a good control framework is implicit to almost all pleas to legalize drugs. Don't just stop cracking down on drug labs. Tax the drugs, crack down on unlicensed labs, and audit the licensed ones frequently to make sure they're making pure stuff and selling it unadulterated. Regulate the entire supply stream, like Washington and Colorado are doing with pot, and organized crime dries up. Unless the tax is unreasonably high (as I expect to be the case in WA).

Re:Solution (-1, Flamebait)

inhuman_4 (1294516) | about 10 months ago | (#44980285)

And when something even worse comes along legalize Krokodil.

Re:Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980337)

And when something even worse comes along legalize Krokodil.

The problem with this drug isn't the drug itself (desomorphine) but with the manufacture process. IF it was legalized and produced in labs with proper regulation and oversight it wouldn't cause the damage that it does, other than the addiction. And that can be treated in other ways...

Re:Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980403)

And when something even worse comes along legalize Krokodil.

The problem with this drug isn't the drug itself (desomorphine) but with the manufacture process. IF it was legalized and produced in labs with proper regulation and oversight it wouldn't cause the damage that it does, other than the addiction. And that can be treated in other ways...

Who shall pay so that unproductive members of society can keep on being unproductive? Is it a human right to abuse any substance whatsoever? Who shall produce the high quality drug and who shall pay for it? The users? Good luck, perhaps if they break into your home and steal stuff to pay for their addiction.

Guess I have very little understanding for addictive substances. If your life is so miserable that you need shit like this to get through, you need serious help, not more drugs. Cure the causes, not the symptoms.

Re:Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980503)

Wow, how dumb. You are ALREADY paying for drug addicts' healthcare--and their health problems are much worse here than they are in sane countries that don't have our attitude towards addiction.

Re:Solution (3, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | about 10 months ago | (#44980319)

That's a solution like legalizing stabbing is a solution to gun violence.

By all means, legalize non-addictive drugs (e.g. marijuana, MDMA, LSD), but heroin is something else entirely. People shouldn't have their lives destroyed just because some skilled salesman convinced them to try it. It's not good for the user, and it's not good for society. It's only good for the dealer. The last thing this country needs is the marketing arm of Philip Morris or InBev pushing an even worse drug.

Re:Solution (5, Insightful)

sjames (1099) | about 10 months ago | (#44980405)

So why do we screw up their lives after a skilled salesman convinces them to try it by throwing them in jail? Isn't that bad for all the reasons you mentioned?

I don't think we want active sales and marketing for heroine, but jailing addicts and driving them to dangerously impure and inconsistent street drugs seems like a bad idea. Especially if it eventually drives them to krokodil.

Perhaps the clean stuff should be legally sold at the pharmacy but with no advertising at all and the pharmacist must giv you a pamphlet on drug treatment and tell you heroine is a bad idea when he hands it over.

Re:Solution (0)

nomadic (141991) | about 10 months ago | (#44980477)

If you legalize heroin, you will get many, many, many more people trying it. I am not for jailing addicts, but the dealers, why not?

Re:Solution (1)

jcr (53032) | about 10 months ago | (#44980561)

What's your next guess?

Go find out why heroin use is down in Portugal over the last decade.

-jcr

Re:Solution (1)

sjames (1099) | about 10 months ago | (#44980569)

What happens when you get rid of all the dealers? One answer, some of the addicts must become dealers just to keep their supplies coming. What then? You're back to jailing addicts.

Meanwhile, you continue to support the cartels by keeping it illegal (and so fantastically profitable) to sell.

If you like, keep it prescription but make heroine addiction a valid indication for prescription and make sure there are free clinics that can write scripts for addicts.

Re:Solution (4, Informative)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 10 months ago | (#44980425)

Nah, legalize everything.

Let God sort it out.

Re:Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980329)

Sorry, that would make too much sense.

Re:Solution (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 10 months ago | (#44980349)

That would only help if it significantly reduced the price. Pot is legal in some instances now, and it is cheaper it get illegally, from what I have seen.
Also, people like illegal drugs, not legal ones, so it would just encourage Krokodil.

Re:Solution (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 10 months ago | (#44980411)

Legalize heroin.

No, no, no... we can still solve the drug problem if we just drop more bombs on it.

Re:Solution (1)

ericloewe (2129490) | about 10 months ago | (#44980475)

Great solution, there. Should we legalize Sarin too, so that homicidal dictators don't use the stronger stuff?

Re:Solution (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980649)

It was a problem when it was prescribed in the US; but at least it was manageable. So. If you mean, "make it available by prescription", I might go a long with that. Apparently, after it was made illegal there were some doctors that managed to keep their patients going and reasonably healthy with good unadulterated product.

As for a totally unregulated market, that's where I draw the line. Let me cite my own experience with Vocodin. I was prescribed that for back pain, along with a muscle relaxer. When the back pain went away I had about half the bottle left, maybe 10 pills or so.

Now, in those days I was under a lot of stress and got headaches sometimes--migraines. Sometimes Tylenol was all I needed; but when I really bad one came along I'd say to myself... Vicodin. That'll really knock it out, and it did.

Now when that bottle was used up is where the turning point comes. I decided NOT to go back to the doctor and have more "back pain". I knew where this could lead. I said, OK fine... you used up that bottle, from this point forward it's OTC pain killers and relaxation techniques, like always.

Even under the current regime, a lot of people find loose doctors. If Vocdin or God forbid, Heroin were available right off the shelf... whoah. Yeah. Heroin. That'll really knock out my headache. Next thing you know, you're getting headaches all the time and Heroin is the only fix.

You just don't understand how insidious drugs can be. I'm lucky. I'm educated enough, I'm disciplined enough... for now. I've poured alcohol down the sink a couple times and sworn it off; but I'm usually a social drinker. I apparently have the ability to pull myself back when addictive behavior emerges. Not everybody has that.

In short, it's not an easy question. Prohibition is obviously a failure; but total and absolute legalization of everythign probably isn't such a bright idea either.

So what makes this bad? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980219)

So where do the side effects (of rotting skin, etc.) come from? The active ingredient itself?

If not, this is in fact a strong argument against blanket-banning of drugs (a long-term favorite of US and US-backed international policy makers), since criminalising encourages home making, impure drugs, uncontrollable use, and so on, and so forth.

The alternative is to decriminalise use, then regulate, and make sure people who lose themselves in drugs get the help they need to get back on their feet. Like Portugal did, and does. But the US won't like that because then it can't go on waging war on drugs. And that would cut into the DEA's playtime. Can't have that, now can we?

Re:So what makes this bad? (3, Informative)

harperska (1376103) | about 10 months ago | (#44980369)

The linked io9 article suggests that the rotting skin effects are due to the horribly impure byproducts. Krokodil gets you addicted from the potency of the Desomorphine. Krokodil rots off your flesh because of the gasoline and paint thinner used in its production and then not purified out before injection. Apparently gasoline circulating in your veins causes blood vessels to burst leading to necrosis.

Re:So what makes this bad? (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about 10 months ago | (#44980383)

It's not like the article provided multiple links that all discuss how the rotting skin happens...

Re:So what makes this bad? (1)

p00kiethebear (569781) | about 10 months ago | (#44980387)

No, desomorphine does not rot flesh. It's the impurities that are left when people simply throw the ingredients together and "cook it down" and inject the left over crap.

Another failure of the drug war (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980241)

If we treated addiction like the disease it is instead of moralizing it as a crime, we could help these people become productive members of society again instead of driving them to slow suicide. If safe drugs were available in free clinics and addicts received treatment, nobody would choose krokodil, nobody would be robbed for drug money, gangs would have one less source of funding, and these victims would be able to overcome their disease.

Re:Another failure of the drug war (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980505)

There _are_ safe drugs available in free clinics. There are inpatient and outpatient addiction facilities practically EVERYWHERE that prescribe these safe drugs as a means to break the cycle of addiction. Addiction treatment is free in the US for everyone.

Good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980243)

Finally, a weapon against our reptilian overlords.

tt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980253)

Krokodil become popular in Russia because it costs 20 times less than heroin

Wow, even once less than heroin would seem like a bargain.

"20 times less?" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980259)

Krokodil become popular in Russia because it costs 20 times less than heroin and can be made easily at home.

dafuq? It doesn't cost "20 times less" unless comparing to a third product. It costs 1/20 the cost of heroin.

Shitty editing.

Re:"20 times less?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980445)

X costs 20 times what Y costs: X = 20Y
X costs 20 times more than Y: X = (20 + 1)Y
so the reciprocal should be 1/21

but if it really was 1/20, why not just say "only 5% of the cost of heroin"?

Photo NSFL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980263)

Wow. Just wow!

Captcha reads: painless

I seriously doubt that.

Re:Photo NSFL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980305)

Captcha reads: painless

I seriously doubt that.

If it starts hurting you just take another shot. If that starts hurting, you take another shot. And so on and so forth...

It's like quantitative easing for the body.

Reefer madness bullshit (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980267)

I'd give a Krokodil user more credit than a writer for Time any day of the week.

And dirty injectables are nothing new.

What is also nothing new is media hype over another killer drug that is probably 90% hype and the 10% real damage is collateral to drug war unintended (intended) consequence.

I've found drugs users are never as self-destructive as reported in media and if something starts spreading on the street is because the risk benefit makes sense. Which means the scaremongering must be ratcheted up.

I await face biting crack baby history to prove the media yet again wrong.

Re:Reefer madness bullshit (0)

nomadic (141991) | about 10 months ago | (#44980509)

"I've found drugs users are never as self-destructive as reported in media and if something starts spreading on the street is because the risk benefit makes sense. Which means the scaremongering must be ratcheted up."

Not familiar with the meth epidemic, then.

Re:Reefer madness bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980611)

For some reason, it's not considered an epidemic when a doctor being paid by insurance companies prescribes methamphetamine manufactured by a pharmaceutical corporation under the brand name "Desoxyn", even though it's the exact same chemical, atom-for-atom.

just in time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980271)

for Halloween

Thank you, prohibition (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980283)

We'd all be better off if you we just legalized/regulated the old stuff, as it would prevent this new, more harmful stuff from ever being created at all.

Slow news day? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980311)

The countries where this is actually problem, codeine is available OTC. This isn't the case here in the US. It's probably easier for people here to get their hands on heroin.

Re:Slow news day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980465)

Interestingly, in at least the Old City of Jerusalem in the 1980's you could get foil wrapped bundles of 30 mg codeine tablets (no acetaminophen) in little boxes that looked for all the world like Pez containers.

Made a 6 week sojourn into the Middle East with a dozen other family members a much more pleasant experience.

What I remember, anyway.

Stupidity or Suicide (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980313)

Stupidity isn't necessarily required to use this - that is just if you don't know or consider what you're putting yourself in for. A lack of value for your own life could also suffice. Like suicide bombers who may really undervalue their life more than holding their cause at extremely high values. I understand that there can be very pretty dark places where one would knowingly take some temporary relief for horrific side effects. Slow form of suicide essentially.

Seriously? (2)

Alsee (515537) | about 10 months ago | (#44980325)

Someone please tell me this is an Onion story.

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Re:Seriously? (1)

Pharoah_69 (2866937) | about 10 months ago | (#44980603)

no, it's an Orion story.

chemistry is the study of change (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980331)

sit back and respect the chemistry

Opportunity (-1, Flamebait)

b4upoo (166390) | about 10 months ago | (#44980353)

When we intercept coke, crack, heroin or other illegal dope we should mix this stuff into it and send it on its way to the streets. It's an opportunity to get rid of drug addiction, one addict at a time.

Re:Opportunity (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980453)

Right, and then let's start mixing it into aids victims treatments, and then let's mix it into the food at homeless shelters, and then let's coat welfare checks with it, and then let's let's let's...

You fucking schmuck. You should be ashamed of yourself.

desomorphine does not rot flesh (5, Informative)

p00kiethebear (569781) | about 10 months ago | (#44980373)

Something needs to be made clear. Desomorphine itself does not rot flesh. With a little extra work the solution can be purified and there are users that DO take the time to do this. It's when the solution is simply thrown together and 'cooked down' that health problems occur. Street level users making it on their own don't take the time to purify it.

Re:desomorphine does not rot flesh (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 10 months ago | (#44980431)

We need another warning label on gasoline.

"Do not inject directly into veins."

That should solve the problem.

Re:desomorphine does not rot flesh (0)

p00kiethebear (569781) | about 10 months ago | (#44980459)

First someone will have to sue chevron for NOT putting a warning label on it. Hot McDonalds coffee anyone? anyone?

Does it run Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980381)

Can I make a beowulf cluster of Krokodil?

The only surprising part (1)

Captain Arr Morgan (958312) | about 10 months ago | (#44980391)

is it didn't land in Florida first.

Re:The only surprising part (2)

nomadic (141991) | about 10 months ago | (#44980517)

As a Florida resident that comment offends me. Or, it would offend me if it wasn't completely a valid and well-earned insult.

media inaccuracy (5, Informative)

drwho (4190) | about 10 months ago | (#44980429)

It is not the drug (desomorphine) that kills, it is the impurities, mostly silica put into the codeine pills to poison people who try to make illicit drugs out of them. It is the government that is killing people by requiring these adulterants.

Re:media inaccuracy (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 10 months ago | (#44980501)

Protip: If you're going to cook a pill, any pill, so as to inject it:

1) Reconsider strongly what you are going to do - it's not very smart no matter how you prep it.
2) Filter the solution. Lots of organic chemistry stuff available online for your safety and enjoyment.
3) Consider an organic chemistry course in college. Attend the labs.
4) Do not watch Mad Men reruns.

Re:media inaccuracy (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980593)

Why do I keep seeing people referring to Mad Men? Are you sure you don't mean Breaking Bad? Then again I don't have a TV or a Netflix account so what the fuck do I know....

All drugs should be legal to avoid this crap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980471)

Legalize and tax all non-flesh eating drugs. Thin the herd and balance the budget at the same time. Win-win.

Hooray for prohibition... (3, Insightful)

bluescrn (2120492) | about 10 months ago | (#44980473)

Make it hard to get hold of pure, *relatively* safe drugs... and people end up doing shit like this...

How desperate do you have to be (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | about 10 months ago | (#44980493)

For the short term high here to be worth your flesh rotting off? I can only imagine you start on the good stuff and descent to this, like an alkie starting on top shelf and descending to drinking aftershave.

ewww what the fuck is wrong with white people (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980519)

why are white people such worthless trash? hopefully this will thin their numbers a little!

A Disease of the Mind (4, Insightful)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about 10 months ago | (#44980525)

Anyone who uses something so destructive to his own body has a sick and twisted soul. But the good response to a twisted soul is not to say they deserve what is done to their body, anymore than the good response to a sick body is to say that it deserves to be separated from its soul. The good response is to seek the healing of both.

I do not believe in the drug war, but neither do I agree with those who would scoff, shrug, and say that it doesn't matter. Some of the comments in this vein are lacking in compassion and in humanity. I cannot see a great distinction in kind, though perhaps their is some difference in degree, between the mind of the inhumane person who would be rid of those who would harm themselves and the mind of the diseased man who would take drugs to rid him of himself. Both are antithetical to life.

I do not believe in the drug war because the fighting metaphor is taken too literally. A drug war ought to be fought as we fight diseases, with treatment and medicine meant to heal, rather than as we fight foreign enemies, with guns and internment.

I do not believe in the drug war because there are people willing to take a drug like this, a drug whose very name indicates its self-destructive potential, and therefore I cannot believe that the nightmare of the prison system or the fear thereof would end such self-abuse. Whether people do such drugs out of desperation or vice, punishment can have little positive effect on those whose recreation looks nightmarish to a person of ordinary psychology. They need help and help directed at the root of the problem. And since this becomes a political question, I would add that I would sooner taxes be spent helping people awaken from old nightmares than wake up to new ones. I do not believe in the drug war, but I do believe that we should do what we can to heal diseases of the mind which accept the destruction of the body.

First patented in the United states in 1932 (1)

Behrooz Amoozad (2831361) | about 10 months ago | (#44980529)

Article sayes First Cases of blah blah blah and http://www.google.com/patents/US1980972 [google.com]

I feel so like Breaking Bad right now.

Codeine in cough syrup? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44980555)

Didn't they stop adding codeine to cough syrup, like 40 years ago? At least in the US? When I was a very young kid, all the TV commercials for cough syrup emphasized that they were "non-narcotic" and thus much safer. If junkies can get their hands on codeine or cough syrup with codeine in it, isn't that good enough? I guess not.

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