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Swiss War Game Envisages Invasion By Bankrupt French

Unknown Lamer posted about 7 months ago | from the let-them-spend-baguettes dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 245

An anonymous reader writes "The Telegraph reports, 'Hordes of bankrupt French invade Switzerland to get their hands on their "stolen" money — such is the imaginary scenario cooked up by the Swiss military in simulations revealed over the weekend. Carried out in August, the apparently outlandish army exercise was based on the premise of an attack by a financially stricken France split into warring regions, according to Matin Dimanche, the Lausanne-based daily. ... Operation "Duplex-Barbara" went as far as imagining a three-pronged invasion from points near Neufchâtel, Lausanne and Geneva, according to a map published in the Swiss newspaper. Behind the dastardly raid was a paramilitary organization dubbed BLD, the Dijon Free Brigade bent on grabbing back "money that Switzerland had stolen from Saônia". "For its credibility, the Swiss army must work (to ward against) threats of the 21st century," Antoine Vielliard, Hauate-Savoie councilor, told Matin Dimanche. However, Daniel Berger, captain of the Swiss armored brigade, sought to play down the specificity of the threat. "The exercise has strictly nothing to do with France, which we appreciate" he told the Swiss press. ... "French towns were cited to provide soldiers with a real scale," he said. ... Neutral Switzerland has not been invaded since the Napoleonic Wars of the early 19th century. '"

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Countries do this all the time (4, Insightful)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | about 7 months ago | (#44998635)

Countries prepare war games involving invasions to or from nearby countries all the time. This just isn't that big a deal. The US likely has plans to invade Canada if necessary (although at least publicly the last one was canceled in the 1930s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red [wikipedia.org] ), and almost certainly has plans to invade Mexico. The Swiss have made their entire foreign policy center around a combination of neutrality and being prepared to repulse any invader, so this shouldn't be at all surprising.

Re:Countries do this all the time (3, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | about 7 months ago | (#44998681)

Countries prepare war games involving invasions to or from nearby countries all the time.

True, but Switzerland takes it up a level. Permanent tank traps in farmers fields, hidden military installations all over the country, bomb shelters, and a huge military reserve with regular training.

Re:Countries do this all the time (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998713)

I live just outside of Wengen, Switzerland. Every home in my town has a bomb shelter. It was required at the time it was built.

Re:Countries do this all the time (1, Troll)

Cryacin (657549) | about 7 months ago | (#44998793)

The last time Switzerland was invaded was by the French. Nah... it won't happen again. It's like lightning, the French never strike twice.

Re:Countries do this all the time (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about 7 months ago | (#44999023)

Every tunnel/bridge into the country is also permanently wired so they can blow them up at a moments notice if anybody tries to invade.

Re:Countries do this all the time (3, Informative)

rapidmax (707233) | about 7 months ago | (#44999211)

That's not true anymore. The explosives has been removed year ago.

Re:Countries do this all the time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999881)

That's what they would like you to think.

Re:Countries do this all the time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999941)

...dun dun DUN.

Re:Countries do this all the time (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999085)

Living outside a small town in Norway, this is common here too. Our bridges are also prepared for quick demolition. Same thing in Sweden.

I thought this was common all over Europe, not just Switzerland even if they are the only country commonly mentioned.

Re:Countries do this all the time (3, Interesting)

someone1234 (830754) | about 7 months ago | (#44999131)

So, terrorists don't have much to do?

Re:Countries do this all the time (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999617)

Terrorists are such a vanishingly irrelevant problem that it's not on the scale of things we even need to protect ourselves against. We need to protect against vending-machine related accidents before we need to deal with terrorism. Or wide-spread robbery of public funds by the financial sector.

Re:Countries do this all the time (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999547)

Also applies to Finland. You an also take a look at the map and see how the east to west roads are almost completely missing.

Re:Countries do this all the time (3, Interesting)

N3x)( (1722680) | about 7 months ago | (#44999855)

In Sweden this practise is being discontinued. Premade drillholes are being filled with concrete and such. I doubt any of swedens larger infrastructure has these devices anymore.

Re:Countries do this all the time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998729)

Yet, their army is total shit, made full of drunktard and weed smoker. ( just take the train times to times to understand )

First step to defeat them :
1/Bring french wine
2/bring french cheese
And voila, all the army drunk and busy eating.
Vinegar is better than swiss wine...more seriously, a 2€ bottle will be better than any swiss wine.

Re:Countries do this all the time (3, Insightful)

DrFalkyn (102068) | about 7 months ago | (#44998741)

Countries prepare war games involving invasions to or from nearby countries all the time.

True, but Switzerland takes it up a level. Permanent tank traps in farmers fields, hidden military installations all over the country, bomb shelters, and a huge military reserve with regular training.

All purely defensive measures, which for a small country that hopes to repel potential invaders, while retaining their neutrality and not having rely on "allies" to bail them out, seem pretty reasonable.

Re:Countries do this all the time (3, Insightful)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 7 months ago | (#44998753)

And its paid off so far... no one has touched them. Less vigilant countries cannot make the same claim.

Re:Countries do this all the time (1)

Sooner Boomer (96864) | about 7 months ago | (#44999005)

And its paid off so far... no one has touched them.

And then the USA IRS paid a visit. The Swiss folded like the French...

Re:Countries do this all the time (2)

Chuckstar (799005) | about 7 months ago | (#44999051)

In fairness, Switzerland also wasn't really in anyone's way and has relatively easy to defend terrain. Is it really the case that the only reason Belgium (which also tried to stay neutral) fell to the Nazis was lack of vigilance?

Re:Countries do this all the time (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999141)

Switzerland is one of the most strategic points in Europe. For thousands of years being able to control those mountain passes meant the ability to take nearly the whole continent.

Re:Countries do this all the time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999511)

Switzerland is one of the most strategic points in Europe. For thousands of years being able to control those mountain passes meant the ability to take nearly the whole continent.

Go thing Hitler didn't take that into account while invading the rest of europe.
Switzerland was neutral because it was in the continental powers interest that it be so. Had Hitler wanted to invaded and annex Switzerland a la Austria he could have done it. Coucou clocks, swiss cows and swiss banking system notwithstanding.

Re:Countries do this all the time (1)

umghhh (965931) | about 7 months ago | (#44999679)

well that is you know - your theory. We will never know of course but if you look at Balkans and great success nazis had in subduing this thing they called Yugoslavia you may reconsider. This does not mean they would not have tried if they had an interest and had enough resources free.

Re:Countries do this all the time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999553)

You're swiss, right ?

Re:Countries do this all the time (2)

AHuxley (892839) | about 7 months ago | (#44998803)

The Swiss had their plans for hidden installations, bomb shelters, and huge military reserve sites sold to the Soviet Union and who knows who else by trusted gov staff.
So the Swiss know most of their much older sites are mapped out and new works can be plotted in by any interested country.
Their officer corp unique in is training, part time officer support and the global private connections of its mid-top ranking "part time" officers.
That upper rank on the CV was always covered.
The Swiss also seem to have done a lot of work with the US war college system and seem to have a very good on going understanding of emerging US military education.
The US mil would also have very good, generational friendship in all things "Swiss".
The Swiss have spread the idea that they will let an army "in" and get stuck with constant small fights, blocked roads, a non helpful local population, raids....
ie make the price per road, tunnel, bridge repair, town, city way too costly.
Modern military thinking would just orbit ~drones...
Farmer ... enemy combatant, group of workers... high ranking enemy combatants meeting, car/truck/van moving ... enemy combatants moving heavy weapons or a leadership convoy.
The vision of the Swiss moving pre selected "civilian" trucks packed with vital war equipment is not so safe anymore.
The Swiss have one expensive option - bring total war to the enemy. Why ruin their small country when a much more 'clean' distant option exists :)

Re:Countries do this all the time (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998835)

But you need to admit that Switzerland did have all reasons in the world to worry from the 1940s onward. Given how Europe looked back then. When the second World War was over and the aggressive party (that would not have stopped at Switzerland should they have won their other battles), there was the threat of russia coming with the a Red Army
Scaling back such defenses is always a hard thing, especially if you maintain a symbolic stance by it (which is what they do by now).

Also, what else should Switzerland do in their scenarios? Elbonia Invades? They only can pick France, Germany, Italy (on the other side of the alps...) and then they have a very small border with Austria. All four are ridiculous candidates. They simply do not have many candidates to chose from - and unless they want to go totally cliche, they cannot pick Germany.

Re:Countries do this all the time (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999001)

Also, what else should Switzerland do in their scenarios? Elbonia Invades? They only can pick France, Germany, Italy (on the other side of the alps...) and then they have a very small border with Austria. All four are ridiculous candidates. They simply do not have many candidates to chose from - and unless they want to go totally cliche, they cannot pick Germany.

They should be preparing for the most dastardly enemy of all, Lichtenstein. You think those "denture" factories produce false teeth? Think again. They are gearing up for war, it's only a matter of time.

Re:Countries do this all the time (0)

Molochi (555357) | about 7 months ago | (#44999415)

I'd pick the UN, USA, Russia, and China. probably in that order. Call it Operation Blueredyellow Dawn. Everybody or just one big country attacks the neutral fortress nation. Anyways it sounds like a good story.

Re:Countries do this all the time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998857)

You're tacitly asserting that other countries don't do this, but they do. Almost all of them.

@ -"Switzerland takes it up a level. Permanent tank traps in farmers fields, hidden military installations all over the country, bomb shelters, and a huge military reserve with regular training."/@

Re:Countries do this all the time (5, Funny)

Dave Emami (237460) | about 7 months ago | (#44998859)

Famous but probably-apocryphal conversation between a visiting German general and his Swiss counterpart, prior to WW2:

German: How many men are under your command?
Swiss: I can mobilize one million men in less than twenty-four hours.
German: What would happen if I marched five million men through that pass tomorrow?
Swiss: I would call up my men. Each man would fire five shots. Then I would send them home.

Re:Countries do this all the time (0)

Molochi (555357) | about 7 months ago | (#44999581)

That's a bit of an exaggeration. When the Swiss militia was armed with battlerifles they might have been able to shoot through two guys coming up a pass and wound a third. But the modern assault rifle packs a smaller punch; You'd be lucky to get two.

Re:Countries do this all the time (5, Funny)

cold fjord (826450) | about 7 months ago | (#44998909)

True, but Switzerland takes it up a level. Permanent tank traps in farmers fields, hidden military installations all over the country, bomb shelters, and a huge military reserve with regular training.

And for some of them [telegraph.co.uk] , an almost fanatical dedication to the pope.

Re:Countries do this all the time (1)

rioki (1328185) | about 7 months ago | (#44999299)

Yes like the Toblerone Line [wikipedia.org] . The Swiss really take their defense seriously... even more than the US and that means something.

Re:Countries do this all the time (1)

aaaaaaargh! (1150173) | about 7 months ago | (#44999747)

It's kind of amusing, because who can afford to attack Switzerland? Politicians of other countries have stashed away their tax evasion money there!

Anyway, I once saw a documentary in which a formerly top secret and now decomissioned installation against Germany was shown. It was an innocent looking family house whose complete facade could be lowered, revealing some mean looking mortar battery. Makes me wonder what they have built as a replacement...

Re:Countries do this all the time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998755)

Give it time. I'm sure their think tanks have envisioned this scenario in the future. I'm sure lots more countries have planned for this but not played the game.

Re:Countries do this all the time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999073)

According to the more conservative media, Mexico has been invading the U.S. for some time. As for the U.S. invading Canada--bad idea. A better idea is to give them most of the New England states, including Washington D.C., and make sure they don't try to pawn Quebec off during the transition. Leave the French invasion to the Canadians; they're used to it.

Re:Countries do this all the time (2)

rahvin112 (446269) | about 7 months ago | (#44999127)

The difference is the US learned years ago to call the enemy force some made up name even if they are operating canadian weaponry and wearing canadian uniforms. The press eats this shit up and loves to blow it out of proportion. Logic says the military plans for every contingency but idiots get riled up to learn neighboring country has plan.

The plans to invade Canada... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999213)

They have such beautiful calligraphy.

Reality is Stranger than Fiction (3, Funny)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 7 months ago | (#44998661)

Just wait till the shut-down the government in USA.

It'll be like Tienanmen Square, but with tanks vs smart phone slinging teenage mutant ninjas.

Even worse! All of the 401ks are backed by the stork market.... Another crash and it'll be 60 something hippies in business casual firing Ronald Rayguns.

Re:Reality is Stranger than Fiction (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 7 months ago | (#44998831)

The looming government shutdown in the US is not exactly novel - we've been through this a number of times before. Most people aren't going to even notice, unless it drags out.

Re:Reality is Stranger than Fiction (1)

ATMAvatar (648864) | about 7 months ago | (#44998953)

18 times [wikipedia.org] (including the one that started an hour ago), in fact. I was a little surprised to see just how many there were when I looked it up. Obama has nothing on Carter and Reagan for shutdowns.

Re:Reality is Stranger than Fiction (1)

Splab (574204) | about 7 months ago | (#44999009)

I think the big difference is how the world is connected today, wont be total melt down, but markets are bound to be nervous. Gonna be fun for a couple of days till they are done measuring penises.

Re:Reality is Stranger than Fiction (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998873)

Just wait till the shut-down the government in USA.

It's not going to happen, never has and never will.

The Debt Limit is stupid. Congress writes a budget, congress sets taxes then the executive executes the budget using the taxes. If the taxes don't cover the budget (they never do) then the government has to borrow money to make up the shortfall. The Debt Limit is a maximum limit on the amount of money the executive can borrow which is also created and controlled by congress.

So: we have a system that allows congress to buy things without having to set taxes high enough to pay for it and then they strapped a mutually-assured-destruction warhead to it which will cause a financial implosion unless the limit is raised. They could just not have the limit (and also stop paying for shit they can't afford) but it's much more fun and politically useful to gamble the entire future of the country on a self-invented problem in order to carry out a dick stroking contest.

Re:Reality is Stranger than Fiction (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 7 months ago | (#44998927)

Just wait till the shut-down the government in USA.

It'll be like Tienanmen Square, but with tanks vs smart phone slinging teenage mutant ninjas.

More like, everyone out of work will kill their time trolling on Slashdot.

Re:Reality is Stranger than Fiction (1)

Crypto Gnome (651401) | about 7 months ago | (#44999041)

All of the 401ks are backed by the stork market.... Another crash and it'll be 60 something hippies in business casual firing Ronald Rayguns.

I don't see that as such a bad thing, if The Stork Market crashes it will help offset the global overpopulation crisis we're in the process of having.

WTF is this shit? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998695)

Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? It doesnt matter and it aint news for nerds. Isnt there any relavent real nerd news to put up? Of course there is. So enough shit, post something real!

Re:WTF is this shit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998855)

Why the fuck is this on Slashdot?

a) To read about.
b) To write comments about.
c) To read comments about.
d) To generate income from exposing people to corporate propaganda.

For fun and profit, in other words.

Re:WTF is this shit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999613)

Fuck off. You don't get Slashdot. Fine.

GOOD NEWS !! NSA SHUT DOWN !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998701)

Yay !!

Re:GOOD NEWS !! NSA SHUT DOWN !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999643)

Sure we did. We weren't funded 2 years in advance. Go about your business. We're blind.

Not to worry! (4, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 7 months ago | (#44998707)

Neutral Switzerland has not been invaded since the Napoleonic Wars of the early 19th century.

By, uhm, France.

Re:Not to worry! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998779)

Tell the Frecnh army to take Paris and they'll retreat until they hold Geneva!

Re:Not to worry! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999291)

Leave Europe alone and let Germany get rid of the parasitic monarchies and unspoken aristocracies once and for all. The best and final solution to all of Europe's problems is "The United States of Germany".

Re:Not to worry! (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 7 months ago | (#44998849)

"When the German Kaiser asked in 1912 what the quarter of a million Swiss militiamen would do if invaded by a half million German soldiers, a Swiss replied: shoot twice and go home. Switzerland also had a decentralized, direct democracy which could not be surrendered to a foreign enemy by a political elite. Some governments surrendered to Hitler without resistance based on the decision of a king or dictator; this was institutionally impossible in Switzerland. If an ordinary Swiss citizen was told that the Federal President--a relatively powerless official--had surrendered the country, the citizen might not even know the president's name, and would have held any "surrender" order in contempt" -- Stephen P. Halbrook - TARGET SWITZERLAND [stephenhalbrook.com]

Re:Not to worry! (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about 7 months ago | (#44998915)

Playing the last wars Cold? Today you have very legal double tap drone strikes to deal with. Your vital civilian truck with war supplies is taken out by a drone, the first responders get a quality drone strike too.
The coordination by the defending leadership tracked and destroyed at will.

Re:Not to worry! (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 7 months ago | (#44998973)

Wars come in all shapes and sizes A., and pretty much all of them without my supervision. ;)

It is still a non-trivial task to take on a nation state, especially one of martial virtue as the Swiss are. Drones aren't really up to taking on a real air force yet, and the Swiss one isn't bad. I expect they will have their own drones in time, assuming they don't now. It would be a great force multiplier for them.

As you see in the story below, drone strikes still serve a purpose in Pakistan.

Car bomb kills 40 in northwest Pakistan [bostonherald.com]

All the better to keep the black flag from rising over Pakistan. Maybe there is hope since for the first time ever a Pakistani Prime Minister finished his term in office recently.

Re:Not to worry! (2)

grelmar (1823402) | about 7 months ago | (#44999101)

Yah, and that worked so damn well in A-Stan that America eventually just quietly started wandering off the field after a decade and declared "Victory" by handing the problem off to a puppet government they created - knowing full well that all the leaders of said puppet government are going to be up against a wall within five years of the last American troops pulling out.

All that tech, and the American/NATO militaries couldn't defeat an insurgency supported by a population with a tech level roughly on par with 10th Century Bulgaria.

Why? Because if the locals don't want you, and have access to even rudimentary firearms, sooner or later, you gotta just leave.

And the Swiss have some very nice rifles, and also hold an annual nationwide marksmanship contest (the largest marksmanship contest in the world at 200,000 participants http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland [wikipedia.org] ).

Oh, and for reference on what a cranky old Afghan can do with an antique rifle vs. a highly trained Marine unit... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=327_1301285726&comments=1 [liveleak.com]

Quite playing COD and read a history book. Your perception of how warfare plays out is deeply misguided.

How about an opponent that has actually won a war? (0)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 7 months ago | (#44998759)

Recently anyway.

Re:How about an opponent that has actually won a w (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998885)

You know, it's getting to be a rather long time since the USA has won a war. Just sayin.

France is just getting even for CERN's Neutrinos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998771)

When I was at CERN over the Summer of 1993, they were searching for Neutrino oscillations by firing an intense beam of neutrinos through a long pile of photographic film, down the main street of St. Genis then through the Jura Mountains.

Oddly, none of the people of St. Genis seemed to notice nor object.

Michael David Crawford [warplife.com] , who can't be bothered to recover his password.

Re:France is just getting even for CERN's Neutrino (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999311)

Michael David Crawford [oregonlive.com] , who has no trouble remembering his Twitter password.

TFTFY.

It won't go well... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998807)

I know this, because I'm old enough to have googled French military victories [albinoblacksheep.com] .

Re: It won't go well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998963)

Napoleon ruined the French taste for war. Too bad, eh? Just when the taste of scorched earth has nearly worn off, along comes climate change and the Swiss imply the French won't be able to afford their air conditioning bills

And they all complain about the NSA in the US... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998809)

All western gov't are doing war games and spying. Nothing new here.

Elect Republicans and they'll burn the place down (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44998853)

... they will burn the place down. And they like the sound of that.

                            TRMS

Operation "Duplex-Barbara"..? (4, Funny)

drkim (1559875) | about 7 months ago | (#44998867)

I saw a movie called "Duplex-Barbara" once, but it was about this girl named Barbara taking a shower (in her duplex), and then the Pizza delivery guy arrives.

Now that I think about it - there was some French kissing in it...

hilarious (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 7 months ago | (#44998969)

"The exercise has strictly nothing to do with France, which we appreciate"
Nailed it! A+ on war game IRL cover propaganda. They don't suspect a thing now!

Joke, all a joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999013)

I'm swiss and served in the swiss army for roughly 10 years, about 3 weeks per year on average (because that's how it works there). Every time I was there I was reminded about how much of a very very expensive bad joke the swiss army is. I'd be laughing since the army's complete incompetence is almost pathetically funny, but as a tax payer it's not so funny anymore. It's just sad.

If you need something easy to attack, that would be us. We'd like accidentally misplace our expensive equipment somewhere and then wonder where it's gone (repeatedly true story).

Re:Joke, all a joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999715)

You shouldn't feel bad, that happens everywhere. The question you should ask yourself is; Do you feel trained well enough till kill the shmuck ordered to attack you? Could you kill two or three before you bit it? Cause if you could that make your country really really hard to take,

Swiss Navy (1)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about 7 months ago | (#44999027)

Was the Swiss Navy involved in the war games?

Re: Swiss Navy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999203)

The plan was to blockade the Channel ports to prevent the British Expeditionary Force from landing...

Re:Swiss Navy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999801)

No, their rower was sick

They're paranoid about their wealth (1, Troll)

Required Snark (1702878) | about 7 months ago | (#44999033)

As the article points out, this is the second military exercise in a row based on the idea of impoverished outsiders invading over economic issues. The previous one had a premise that the Euro economic zone collapsed, and hoards of "refugees from Greece, Spain, Italy, France, and Portugal" were overrunning Swiss borders.

So if you have a relatively homogenous population of Western Europeans, a high standard of living and a major banking sector that is known internationally as a haven for corrupt money, your paranoid fear centers around the idea of someone will invade and take all that money away. It's guilty knowledge: your situation was not fairly earned, it results from bad behavior. Therefore, the guilt is turned outward and ascribed to hypothetical predatory French economic terrorists who plan on looting Switzerland, or refugees overwhelming your homeland.

This should be familiar to anyone listening to US political rhetoric: it's the Republican attitude towards immigration. You know, all those inferior (i.e dark skinned) people who can't do OK on their own, so they are coming here to steal from all the decent hard working people (i.e. white Christians) who made the country great.

To preempt right wing whining, I refer to Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) on Latinos: "there's another 100 out there that weigh 130 pounds and they've got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert." http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57598020/rep-steve-king-stands-by-divisive-immigration-comments/ [cbsnews.com] By the way, this asshat thinks he has a shot as the next Republican President.

Although not quite as blatant, the looming government shutdown over Obamacare/Affordable Care has a similar foul stench. Republicans support Social Security and Medicare for white conservatives (it's not welfare for them), but will wreck the economy to keep them damned minorities from laying their filthy paws on "our government" i.e. federal spending.

That's what the Tea Party types were saying when they spouted "I want my country back." Ask yourself "back from who?" The best response I heard was: "You can't have your country back since the South lost the Civil War."

Ultimately that's what it's about: is the US a country for everyone, or only for white Christian conservatives?

Re:They're paranoid about their wealth (2)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 7 months ago | (#44999183)

To preempt right wing whining, I refer to Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) on Latinos: "there's another 100 out there that weigh 130 pounds and they've got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert." http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57598020/rep-steve-king-stands-by-divisive-immigration-comments/ [cbsnews.com] By the way, this asshat thinks he has a shot as the next Republican President.

You know, if you're going to resort to bald-faced lying by misrepresenting what someone says (hint: that comment was not about "Latinos" in general), you probably shouldn't link to a source that includes the quote in context.

Why Switzerland ? (3, Interesting)

o'reor (581921) | about 7 months ago | (#44999055)

That's ridiculous. Why would the French army go to the pains of crossing the alps and trying to invade a country that has atomic shelters everywhere, a well trained national guard and a good army (or reputedly so), when it would only take two days and an infantry division to invade filthy-rich Luxembourg ?

Add a navy operation on Jersey, Guernesey and Sark to hunt down rogue bankers in neighouring tax havens for good measure, and voilà !

Re:Why Switzerland ? (1)

mjwx (966435) | about 7 months ago | (#44999107)

Add a navy operation on Jersey, Guernesey and Sark to hunt down rogue bankers in neighouring tax havens for good measure, and voilà !

Well Jersey, Guernesey and Sark are all protected by the British crown, that means the first thing they'll do is send angriest Scots in the Royal Army to invade France and historically, this has not worked out well for the French.

Historically... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999233)

Has anything worked out well for the French?

Re:Historically... (2)

z0idberg (888892) | about 7 months ago | (#44999595)

I'd count staying the fuck out of Iraq as a pretty big win.

Wish I could say the same for my country.

Re:Historically... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999651)

They seem to be amazing at finding new materials for their white flags. Masters of surrender!

Re:Why Switzerland ? (1)

rapidmax (707233) | about 7 months ago | (#44999281)

Of course this is ridiculous. The scenarios have always been ridiculous. Mostly because there isn't any sane thread scenarios available. At least not for a classical war game that requires a good old army. When I was in the Swiss army we played "Blue Country" against "Yellow Country".

What an odd premise... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 7 months ago | (#44999083)

When was the last time that invading somebody for their cash was actually cost effective? Early Roman Empire? Modern war is damned expensive; plus it tends to play scorched earth with various flavors of stored value (human and physical capital destroyed, fiat money's health contingent largely on who wins(and there's always the alternative of just printing what the opposition has squirreled away into worthlessness rather than trying to grab it), markets for assorted intangible assets disrupted, you are basically back to stealing big chests of gold coins, if you can find any). Plus, unlike the good old days of barbaric plunder heaps, modern weapons are so costly that you had better plunder quite efficiently indeed.

They would deserve it! (1)

m.alessandrini (1587467) | about 7 months ago | (#44999255)

Really, they live on money from all the other european countries! And San Marino, you're the next one!

(add some joking expressions from my face...)

Wisdom follows, pay attention! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999521)

The premise is completely ludicrous. France is a nuclear power and has an extremely large traditional military force. They can make the swiss bend over BEFORE they go bankrupt. (France is now stronger than Russia in non-nuclear military. The jews like to brag they are stronger than France, but I call that BS. France is clearly no. 3. after USA and China, when it comes to classic mil-power.)

Furthermore, the french Rafale fighter jet is an extremely capable design and aeons more advanced then the F-18 classic and Gripen-NG, wich the swiss currently employ and wish to procure, respectively. Whoever owns the sky, owns the land theatre. Anyhow, the french foreign legion alone would conquer the swiss in three days. They probably wouldn't even need to use weapons, their terrible reputation make the swiss weak in the knee. In Africa, the legionaire are regularly able to keep order by bare knuckle, whereas USA always employs Black Hawks and tanks and the iron fist policy only creates more terrorists.

On a more basic level, France is also an agricultural superpower. The mountaineous swiss would have long died of famine and the cheese-eaters still have cheese to eat. You cannot eat money and 21 ruby self-winding automatic wristwatches make a poor replacement for ratatouille...

Never (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#44999773)

Switzerland is a free haven treasure chest shared by all countries. It's an insurance because no country can attack Switzerland without making enemies with all other countries. It is the safest place for banks to store their wealth.

Obligatory (1)

nicomede (1228020) | about 7 months ago | (#45000027)

I, for one, welcome our new chocolate eating, gold-piling overlords (I live in France at 10 km from the Swiss border...)

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