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Health Exchange Sites Crushed By Demand; Shutdown Blanks Other Gov't Sites

Soulskill posted 1 year,22 days | from the not-a-good-day-for-uptime dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The launch of a national health exchange site was marred by overloaded servers in several states around the country. In a White House press conference, President Obama said that by 7 a.m., there were over a million users, and he likened the capacity problems to the glitches that Apple experienced after discovering bugs in their rlease of iOS 7. 'I don't remember anybody suggesting Apple should stop selling iPhones or iPads, or threatening to shut down company if they didn't,' the president argued." Meanwhile, a number government websites went blank as a result of the shutdown, instead of simply lying dormant until personnel could return. The National Science Foundation, NASA, the FCC, and the Library of Congress are a few examples.

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worst case of slashdot editing in a while? (0, Offtopic)

liamevo (1358257) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011817)

Seriously, simple typos and grammar mistakes get through now?

Re:worst case of slashdot editing in a while? (5, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011823)

Wht are you tlking about? Vowls are for chumps.

Re:worst case of slashdot editing in a while? (1)

firex726 (1188453) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012405)

Damn Wheel of Fortune buying them all up so no one else can use them!

Re:worst case of slashdot editing in a while? (2)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011901)

Seriously, simple typos and grammar mistakes get through now?

Obviously, Slashdot is also affected by the US government shutdown . . . I didn't know the government runs it . . .

Re:worst case of slashdot editing in a while? (-1, Flamebait)

Lumpy (12016) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012385)

That actually would explain a whole lot......

ya, the IRS site is up and running (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011837)

Huh, funny that, the IRS seems fully up and running their site during the 'shutdown'.

Maybe they should help Nasa out with theirs

Re:ya, the IRS site is up and running (4, Informative)

SJHillman (1966756) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012075)

The IRS is still collecting taxes, but has suspended audits and answering questions, among other things. They might consider the website essential to the tax collection thing.

Re:ya, the IRS site is up and running (4, Insightful)

Cryacin (657549) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012101)

Love it, taxation without representation. Your tax dollars on furlough.

Re:ya, the IRS site is up and running (4, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012161)

Nah, our representation is still getting paid too, alas.

Re:ya, the IRS site is up and running (3, Insightful)

TheCarp (96830) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012265)

Thats nothing new. Where was the representation before? There are 300 million people represented by about 600. Representation is a joke and has been for a long time. You don't institute a single non-transferable vote system because you want to represent people, you do it to manufacture consent for what you were going to do either way.

Re:ya, the IRS site is up and running (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012117)

The NSA, CIA, and the .mil adresses are all up.

I actually find it pretty educational to see what our government conciders "essential" and what is not.

Re:ya, the IRS site is up and running (2)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012277)

You still have to fight the war on people... erm, terror :P

Re:ya, the IRS site is up and running (3, Interesting)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012295)

They also passed an emergency funding bill yesterday to keep garbage collection in DC operating.

Re:ya, the IRS site is up and running (5, Funny)

WWJohnBrowningDo (2792397) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012397)

Excellet news! Maybe they'll finally take out all the trash inside Capitol Hill.

Re:ya, the IRS site is up and running (4, Insightful)

bzipitidoo (647217) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012339)

Shutting down websites is mostly political grandstanding. What does it cost to leave a website up, let it run on autopilot for a while, and not update any content? Just bandwidth and electricity. The new healthcare sites got over 1 million hits, but most of the time, most sites are nowhere near that busy. Probably cost more to have their website administrators change the sites to throw up a "sorry, we're closed" page. Saves a little on bandwidth. Doesn't save much on electricity.

When Wikipedia and other majors sites went dark for 1 day, they didn't give us any bull about why. They said it was all about SOPA and PIPA, and they meant exactly what they said.

Re:ya, the IRS site is up and running (1, Flamebait)

Lumpy (12016) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012393)

A government website? At least 1.2 million per day to have it up. They pay a staff of 20 per website to sit and click on it and say, "Yes it's still up" and then log it into a special government software to track and report website availability.

Re:ya, the IRS site is up and running (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012387)

Everyone knows computers can't run by themselves, so of course they shut down because of the shutdown? Or was it because our government is full of drama? Hard to tell since you liberal love your big government and new corporate health care system for the BIG insurance companies. Liberals break everything.

finally! the internet can be used as intended (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011847)

Fewer government mandated healthcare sites means more porn sites for natural sexual healing!

Merica! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011859)

Why are you electing a government consisting of greedy dumbasses? The world is laughing at you.

Re:Merica! (4, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012413)

Because the greedy rich assholes make it impossible for an honest normal person to even run for office.

The sites weren't supposed to work today (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011861)

All of the sites on Day one didn't have prices, plan choices nor a way to sign up.

It's not an IT glitch, that information simply isn't available yet, despite what you're hearing.

After all, how hard would it have been to publish a PDF with a list of plans and prices? Pretty simple *IF THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE! *

The press is guillible and lazy these days that they'll print anything they're told.

Re:The sites weren't supposed to work today (4, Informative)

Celarnor (835542) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011883)

As someone who enrolled today, I beg to differ....

Re:The sites weren't supposed to work today (3, Interesting)

pslytely psycho (1699190) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011977)

Just have to ask. Federal site or State site? Washington State seemed to be working well earlier today, but it is a state site.

The Federal Government shouldn't RUN anything! They couldn't even make money selling whores and alcohol when they took over the Mustang Ranch, so, naturally they will fuck this up too.

Maybe they should hire Rockstar. Once they get the GTA V rollout under control they will be experts at running a large popular site that gets swamped beyond their designs. Just as AOL, Blizzard, etc have in the past.

Re:The sites weren't supposed to work today (1, Funny)

pslytely psycho (1699190) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011991)

"Washington State seemed to be working well earlier today, but it is a state site"

Wow, did I really just type that?!

This Golden oil is kickin' my ass!
Dept of Redundancy Dept, I am your new boss...

Re:The sites weren't supposed to work today (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012083)

The Federal Government shouldn't RUN anything! They couldn't even make money selling whores and alcohol when they took over the Mustang Ranch, so, naturally they will fuck this up too.

plusgood duckspeak #11. minutrue approved.

Re:The sites weren't supposed to work today (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012263)

They shouldn't run anything. Like the highway sysetm the military and the police force?
Or the super efficient health systems in every other developed country?
Also, as you point out in your own post, for profit companies in the tech sector struggle with this issue. Yet the fact that the government is struggling suggests that they shouldn't run this? So you're also saying Rockstar should not make games?

Re:The sites weren't supposed to work today (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012281)

The plural of anecdote is not data. I thought /. knew this.

Moral dilemma (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011871)

Somehow, the NSA has the bandwidth to sift through the ****WORLDS**** internet and telephone bandwidth in **real-time**, but the Obamacare servers can't deal with the miniscule amount of requests required for uninsured persons to obtain a bare-minimum of medical insurance.

USA GO FUCK YOURSELF.

(A)

   

Re:Moral dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011879)

Snowden FTW. (A)

Re:Moral dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012253)

BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS YOU FUCKING RETARD. (B)

How do you take yourself seriously with that shit?

Re:Moral dilemma (2, Offtopic)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011889)

I have a simple litmus test for a person's belief system. I ask the following question:

"Does your system require that people suffer, not because they would have anyway, but because of the rules of the system?"

It obviously immediately eliminates American Capitalism and Soviet Communism as thoroughly immoral - though I can hear the ideologues right now prepare themselves to explain why some suffering MUST happen (although conveniently it won't much suffering for them, only for someone else in the system) - but it can also be applied to features of subsystems.

In this case, the NSA is immoral on several counts - one of which, as you rightly point out, is that merely because of this mindless obsession with data-gathering, resources must be taken away from other facilities which benefit people.

Re:Moral dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012273)

So you reject any system that's not a utopia?

Any real system is going to have tradeoffs; certainly they will all require that someone suffer who wouldn't in a Hobbesian state of nature. Take one example - the justice system. Prisons, even nice ones, cause suffering. Any system that attempts to deter, restrict or reform its criminals is going to create suffering. And that's hardly the only example.

Re:Moral dilemma (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011891)

USA GO FUCK YOURSELF.

Thank you, sir or madam, I shall commence fucking myself immediately.

-- Uncle Sammy

list of things Americans don't care about (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011881)

Science, space exploration, communications, knowledge. Do not want.

Things Americans do care about: sucking the entitlement teat.

American idiots, indeed.

Damn straight! (3, Insightful)

EzInKy (115248) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011909)

Things Americans do care about: sucking the entitlement teat.

And they won't stop until they get their hands on our Social Security and Medicare. Communists every last one of them,

Comparing Goverment with Apple? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011897)

Well actually that's quite spot on. "We know what you want... and its for the best! So eat it and shut up"

Re:Comparing Goverment with Apple? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011919)

More expensive and intentionally different from the rest of the civilized world. Yep, that's just like Apple's policy of intentional incompatibility, too.

It was a glitch (1)

will_die (586523) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011907)

It was a glitch because it affects the peons. Besides if Apple had all the problems this system did they would of been crucified in the newspapers and everywhere else.

Re:It was a glitch (2)

kerrbear (163235) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012085)

It was a glitch because it affects the peons. Besides if Apple had all the problems this system did they would of been crucified in the newspapers and everywhere else.

Agreed. Remember the Apple maps problems.

Also, I don't get why they just didn't phase this in slowly. Why not just have everyone with a name that begins with 'A' get on today, 'B' tomorrow, etc. Or use the last 2 digits of your SSN for it. I bet even if it wasn't strictly enforced and they just asked nicely it probably would have worked out better than it did.

it's a perfect example of (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011921)

Slashtardism: The inability to use proper grammer or to deploy a spelling checker when posted 'news' stories.

Yumpin' geebus, hire me fer crissakes, and I'll make sure to check each top post!

Re:it's a perfect example of (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012311)

Slashtardism: The inability to use proper grammer or to deploy a spelling checker when posted 'news' stories.

Yumpin' geebus, hire me fer crissakes, and I'll make sure to check each top post!

... to use proper grammar ... and ... when posting 'news' stories.

Inaccurate propaganda (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011923)

The servers weren't overloaded because there was too many people checking them out, they just didn't create good websites. They probably didn't test them because they were behind schedule because that's how government always is, but they had to release on the deadline, ready or not. At least one site showed error messages that later changed into "busy" messages.

And it's pretty stupid to disable all these websites. They only would have saved money if they had actually powered down the machines, which they obviously didn't do. So, it was just pointless politicking.

Actually, they may have (4, Informative)

jbov (2202938) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011957)

Actually, they may have powered down many servers. For example, nsf.gov, fastlane.nsf.gov, and research.gov all point to the same host and serve the same generic page. Additionally, since the notice pages are static, then it is entirely possible, maybe probable, that the database servers for the Library of Congress, the FCC, the NASA sites may all have been shut down.

Re:Actually, they may have (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011981)

Actually, they may have powered down many servers. For example, nsf.gov, fastlane.nsf.gov, and research.gov all point to the same host and serve the same generic page. Additionally, since the notice pages are static, then it is entirely possible, maybe probable, that the database servers for the Library of Congress, the FCC, the NASA sites may all have been shut down.

Many thanks for looking into this, on behalf of those of us who suspected it might be true, but were too lazy to check.

Re:Actually, they may have (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012351)

Actually, they may have powered down many servers. For example, nsf.gov, fastlane.nsf.gov, and research.gov all point to the same host and serve the same generic page. Additionally, since the notice pages are static, then it is entirely possible, maybe probable, that the database servers for the Library of Congress, the FCC, the NASA sites may all have been shut down.

Many thanks for looking into this, on behalf of those of us who suspected it might be true, but were too lazy to check.

There is nothing to look at. This is simply dns redirection. You will note that nasa.gov redirects to notice.usa.gov as well. This is simply the planned execution of disabling of services to the external world.

Re:Inaccurate propaganda (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011969)

The servers weren't overloaded because there was too many people checking them out, they just didn't create good websites.

Mod parent up. There's no way the meager demand for Obamacare could overwhelm a 386, let alone an actual web server. They were probably written as some horrible Java enterprise clusterfuck, and were ready to collapse at the slightest breeze.

Don't forget, these sites had one day of QA before being launched. It's no surprise they collapsed. It doesn't indicate anyone actually wants Obamacare, just that - yet again - the government can't do anything right.

Re:Inaccurate propaganda (3, Insightful)

cryptizard (2629853) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012029)

Oh yeah because extreme load on a new website never manifests as error messages

Re:Inaccurate propaganda (3, Informative)

Blaskowicz (634489) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012035)

Which is more likely, your unsubstantiated shit or the website / IT system not able to create like a quarter million user accounts in one hour? I assume there's that kind of burst load or even worse - what do the worst 10 minutes look like?
It's obviously hard to bring up a completely new service which experiences that kind of load on day 1 hour 1, just give them time to tune their system, add more servers, tune or upgrade their mainframes if they're using that. People are sweaty busy scrambling to fix the situation.

What's funny is the american sense of entitlement to have some web or gizmo shit work instantly no matter what, whether they pay for it or not, and then they'll all butthurt because of very meeble welfare (food stamps are very low) or because of a new system that helps the working class buy overpriced and weak healthcare.

And it's pretty stupid to disable all these websites. They only would have saved money if they had actually powered down the machines, which they obviously didn't do. So, it was just pointless politicking.

Showing a static html "This site is closed blah blah blah" is congruent with powering down the machines, a PC in a basement can serve that. Importantly the IT staff isn't paid and is out of work.

Re:Inaccurate propaganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012043)

Launching something that hadly works just to meet a deadline - and fix it up later, on the run - never stopped M$ before. Is the US Gov still bigger than M$? Or, doesn't the distinction really apply anymore, regarding corporate and public administration?

Never mind, I'm sure OCP will be there to profit outr... er, help.

Follow The Leader (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45011935)

African-Americans are enrolling in record numbers, because their Dear Leader happens to be black.

Re:Follow The Leader (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012041)

Black folks who used to be afraid of doctors and hospitals are willing to sign up for health care now because the Prez said everything will be OK. Heard on an all-black-all-the-time radio talk show.

(If you think an all-black-all-the-time radio show should be unusual in a free society, it just means the people really like voluntary segregation.)

Re:Follow The Leader (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012317)

Most black people think he's white; one-drop rule and all that.

Compulsory Shutdown (2)

nickmh (2496180) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011939)

What not of people realise is, at the moment, there is some tenuous control over Gov't shut-downs. The time is coming where the shut down is brought on by external factors, like being broke and incompetent, and is therefore not a choice!

Ridiculous stunt (-1, Troll)

erroneus (253617) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011967)

This "shutdown" is no shutdown. The things people do not want is not to be shut down.

The most telling thing is that the stock market didn't react to this "crisis." If anything will react as an indicator, it's the market. It didn't.

I get the feeling this is an attempt to get people who are already hooked on government to freak out and demand action. As a former TSA screner, I still receive emails from a government employee organization who yesterday pushed out a message directly blaming the republicans and urging recipients to flood the house with calls demanding action. At the top of the list of "hooked on government" are these parasites who skate through life as government employed wastes of money.

To me, this is a "cable TV" moment. The cable TV moment happened to me when I moved to another state and attempted to bribe the cable internet installer to leave the TV signal unblocked. He refused and I have been without TV since that time... over 4 years now. I don't miss it. I never paid for TV and I never will. But now they aren't able to sell ads as effectively because I'm not watching them. (Some cable TV vendors are giving it away for free now because I'm not the only one cutting down on their subscribership numbers.)

Let's all hope we can cut back on government addiction and dependency and that this "shut down" illustrates how much we don't need it.

Re:Ridiculous stunt (5, Insightful)

Spad (470073) | 1 year,22 days | (#45011993)

So you stole cable TV all your life but the people working for the government are the parasites? Interesting interpretation.

Re:Ridiculous stunt (0)

erroneus (253617) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012011)

Yes. You can put it that way. But cable TV stole the free broadcast TV signal I once used. The power was decreased in large part due to the demands of cable TV companies. Digital TV helped and hurt because the signal power still sucks.

In any case, I won't pay for it ever and the cable company lost money because they didn't want to give it away for free as it should be.

Re:Ridiculous stunt (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012047)

But cable TV stole the free broadcast TV signal I once used.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Re:Ridiculous stunt (0, Troll)

drinkypoo (153816) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012055)

But cable TV stole the free broadcast TV signal I once used.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Not only is it true, but who fucking cares? It costs the cable company nothing for you to get free cable. It's not theft, it's copyright infringement. I wouldn't pay for the wire to come into my house anyway.

Re:Ridiculous stunt (1)

dave1791 (315728) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012061)

Why should it be free? The infrastructure costs money and they have a right to make a profit on it. TV is not a necessity - if anything, its a vice - , so you can't even make an argument that it should be subsidized for the poor.

Nothing is free, ever! Even things that may look free... like say roads, schools and clean water, cost money. People like me pay for them. I pay a mountain of taxes; much more than I eve get back. I'd rather do that than live like a king in a third world shithole.

And I never tried to steal cable TV either.

Re:Ridiculous stunt (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012121)

They get paid advertising and gouge the customers mercilessly, too. You pay to have your ears, brain and soul pummelled by personality-shattering pavlovian induction advertisement.

Then, they fill the "base" programing with tacky pasteurized drooling braindead glitz, dozens of channels of it. Then, they charge "extra" per event and payperview. And extra for the interesting stuff. Exactly what cable was supposed to open up.

And use public property, services, and resources to get to the client. Not to mention priviledged loans, tax exemptions, public infrastructure use, and other gifts, if they're economically powerful enough. Which makes them politically powerful also, feeding them more economic power, which feeds them more polotical influence, which ...

Yes, the viewer is the totally evil party, here. There's no justification for what he did. He's the one ripping everybody off. What's wrong with the alternatives?

Re:Ridiculous stunt (2)

Monkey-Man2000 (603495) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012131)

Good lord, on the one hand GP should be modded "+1 Troll" if it was available, but on the other hand, I feel it's my obligation to just say, "don't feed the trolls".

Re:Ridiculous stunt (2)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012023)

"The Market" doesn't react to anything these days unless Federal Reserve and the big banks want it to react. It is all a HFT playground where bots controlled by big banks and the Fed run the market. Any actual "normal" investor cannot actually use it for investing - it is a glorified rigged casino. If you know how it works, it is possible to still extract money out of it but you have to understand the rules (one of them being that it is no longer in any way rational, or reacting to real world things)

Re:Ridiculous stunt (1)

cryptizard (2629853) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012039)

Seems a little harsh from someone who admits that they used to be one of those parasites.

Bad Analogy (4, Insightful)

Cornwallis (1188489) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012019)

'I don't remember anybody suggesting Apple should stop selling iPhones or iPads, or threatening to shut down company if they didn't,' the president argued."

And Apple can't put us in jail for not buying their product. Although I'm sure they'd like to.

Re: Bad Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012213)

If Tim Cook is lurking, he just jizzed in his pants.

Re:Bad Analogy (2)

msauve (701917) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012303)

...and Apple isn't losing money by subsidizing the price of their products.

Re:Bad Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012427)

No, AT&T does.

Duh? (0, Flamebait)

rabtech (223758) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012049)

If admins aren't allowed to check log files, what happens if you experience a hack? What if a new zero-day vulnerability is released during the shutdown? What if the server room AC goes out?

The only safe thing to do is shut it down until the Republicans stop trying to negotiate with a gun to everyone's head.

Re: Duh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012159)

The Republicans I voted for have as much responsibility to do the job I sent them to Washington to do as the Democrats you voted for do. I am proud of them for sticking to their guns while they are being vilified by the White House and the media.

Re: Duh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012359)

You sent them to Washington to shut down the government? Because that's what they were openly planning even before the 2010 midterms.

Re:Duh? (1)

jmac_the_man (1612215) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012247)

If admins aren't allowed to check log files, what happens if you experience a hack? What if a new zero-day vulnerability is released during the shutdown? What if the server room AC goes out?

Essential employees are staying on the job. You are essential if your job protects life or property, i.e. the server room.

Yes. Entirely Unessential. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012057)

"The National Science Foundation, NASA, the FCC, and the Library of Congress are a few examples. "
Priorities, priorities. The senate barbershop, too?

Here is the difference Mr. President (3, Insightful)

misnohmer (1636461) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012067)

If I don't like Apple's bugs or capacity problems, I have the option to never pay for another Apple product. I don't have the option to opt out of ObamaCare.

Re:Here is the difference Mr. President (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012111)

If I don't like Apple's bugs or capacity problems, I have the option to never pay for another Apple product. I don't have the option to opt out of ObamaCare.

Sure you do! You have the option to opt out of ObamaCare and pay a fine, er, tax instead. Now if only you could receive some medical care in exchange for that tax, then ObamaCare could actually be considered health care service instead of bullshit.

Re:Here is the difference Mr. President (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012155)

Remember to thank republicans for the bullshit.

Re:Here is the difference Mr. President (0)

C0R1D4N (970153) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012133)

That is just it. Get rid of the mandate whiich only affects the people making not enough to afford insurance and too much to get the free ride. The working poor and lower middle class. That is all they have to do.

Re:Here is the difference Mr. President (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012201)

That is the current proposal from the GOP. The Senate and president are REFUSING to even talk to them about it.

Re:Here is the difference Mr. President (3, Informative)

MrKaos (858439) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012345)

If I don't like Apple's bugs or capacity problems, I have the option to never pay for another Apple product. I don't have the option to opt out of ObamaCare.

Just opt out of getting sick or injured, I hear your fucked if you do in your country. When I get sick or injured i just go to the doctor or hospital and then go home until I'm better. Healthcare in the USA is something I hear everyone say "I hope our country is never that screwed". I can't opt out of my healthcare but I don't see my investments as so fragile that they need the extra $7.50 per month that it costs me to make sure I can go to hospital if I need to.

I simply don't understand why it's such a big deal for America to fix something that is so obviously broken, your a superpower and your people are sneaking into Canada. It's really a sign that the US political system is so incapable of dealing with important infrastructure issues and the next stop is despotism. Seriously, someone should tell your far right republicans to pull their heads in and stop acting like spoilt brats because they can't get their way.

I like you guys better than China, so I really hope that you can sort it out and get back to being the America that we used to look up to. I like (most) American people I've met, I think you deserve better than being discarded because of some misfortune and no decent heathcare.

Where's the priority (4, Insightful)

Bucc5062 (856482) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012105)

So the Government can send a few billion on a server farm in Utah for the NSA, but heaven help they send money on servers to handle 3 million people trying to log in at once.

I am going to give the benefit of the doubt that there are smart people who set this up and even they could not anticipate the initial load factor. So the republicans tried everything in their power to make people afraid of the ACA and the result was overloaded systems. Perhaps that says something about the population as a whole. IT is easy to pull something down when you think you're not effected, but when you need it,real bad, then it becomes the most important thing to have.

Anyway, the DBAs and Admins will figure this all out, the process will continue and within a week this will fade as the debt limit looms next.

Re:Where's the priority (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012169)

So the Government can send a few billion on a server farm in Utah for the NSA, but heaven help they send money on servers to handle 3 million people trying to log in at once.

NSA is part of "national security" so of course they get priority.

Tea Party / Republicans must love it. (1, Insightful)

wvmarle (1070040) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012165)

This must be exactly how "small government" feels like, exactly what they're always asking for. Only absolute essential government tasks (running wars in faraway countries and spying on civilians are notable examples) are still being performed.

Re:Tea Party / Republicans must love it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012279)

Democrats love it even more. They have a complicit media pointing all the fingers at Republicans, and every liberal and democrat cranking out bulletin board posts using the R word with no mention of the D word to be found. If an alien were to visit from outer space, they would be led to think that there are only Republicans in government.

But yeah, those crazy tea party 'muricans wanting to run their own lives with only essential gubment involvement...bunch of extremists and anarchists they are.

It is one party's fault. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012349)

They have a complicit media pointing all the fingers at Republicans, and every liberal and democrat cranking out bulletin board posts using the R word with no mention of the D word to be found.

That's because this is one of the very few times where it IS one party's fault - the Republicans in this case.

The budget ceiling is supposed to be just a Congressional formality (and has been in the PAST before the Republican party went off the deep end) that is just a "housekeeping" job. But no, the Republicans are using EVERY chance they can get to damage the Affordable Care Act - and to Hell with everything else!

And instead of trying to be all PC or to cover the Republican's stupidity by saying bullshit things like "well, both parties have a hand in it", we should point fingers at the people responsible and say, "It's YOUR fault assholes!" which is Republicans - period.

The Republicans have been trying for YEARS to get "Obama Care" over turned and couldn't do it.

The Dems are just sitting back - they could play just a dirty and put in a gun control measure in the law or a Free Abortions for everyone measure or something like that - but they didn't.

It is ALL THE REPUBLICANS!

Re:It is one party's fault. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012437)

Trying for YEARS, eh?

Well, since Obamacare was passed in 2010 and Republicans tried to stop it then and ever since... sure... but 3-4 years isn't exactly YEARS. Dial down the emotion a little.

Most "shutdowns" are completely unnecessary (5, Interesting)

EmagGeek (574360) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012175)

The government is actually spending MORE money to close these resources than it is keeping them open.

An example is the closure of the memorials in DC. Normally there might be one parks officer roaming around them, but under the closure, there are dozens of park police manning the barricades to ensure nobody can go see them.

It's all political theater. The Administration (and don't get me wrong, I don't give a shit of an R or D is in the white house - they both would do the same thing) is doing today exactly what it did with the sequester - it's punishing the American people as much as it can.

Most of the sequester cuts were planned in a way to have the greatest negative effect on people, and these closures are being executed in the same way. Government is not happy that it has lost it's money source, and it figures the only way to get it back is to go around kicking people in the face to get them to scream at the people who control the purse strings.

It's despicable. Instead of doing their jobs and negotiating the best possible compromise between all interested parties, they've become a bunch of extremists (on both sides) who refuse to negotiate. It's "my way or the highway."

Obama in particular ought to be ashamed of himself. He campaigned on a platform of unity and leadership, and he has exemplified NONE of it. In fact he's the biggest one going on national TV proclaiming with pride that he refuses to negotiate.

Fire them all. Seriously. Every last despicable goddamn one of them.

Re:Most "shutdowns" are completely unnecessary (5, Informative)

smpoole7 (1467717) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012347)

> Most of the sequester cuts were planned ... to have a negative impact.

My wife works for the federal government, so I think I know a bit about what's going on. :)

You are absolutely right. The fact is, during a "shutdown," the government can decide which employees are "essential" and which can be furloughed. My wife is considered "essential," so she WILL go to work. She just may not get paid on time if this thing drags on.

Both parties are guilty of this: when there's a shutdown, they decide whom to send home, and they will inevitably play to their base(s) and try to get the public angry at the other party. It's all political theater. They ought to wear makeup and costumes. And really: is there any geek here who doesn't know how to leave a Web server running overnight or on weekends? :)

Hey, it's not like they didn't know this has been coming MONTHS in advance, is it? And to REALLY cheer you up, remember that we have a debt ceiling debate coming up in a couple of weeks. How much you wanna bet this wink, wink "shutdown" will continue past THAT debate? :)

Re:Most "shutdowns" are completely unnecessary (5, Insightful)

duke_cheetah2003 (862933) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012375)

How can Obama possibly negotiate? Repubs are demanding he kick his grandest achievement to the curb or they won't negotiate. Sorry. Obama is the not the villain here.

Re:Most "shutdowns" are completely unnecessary (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012417)

Repubs are demanding he kick his grandest achievement to the curb or they won't negotiate.
 
Republicans are asking for a one year delay for the individual just as Obama himself asked for a one year delay for corporate entities. Republicans grant Obama his wish, now Obama wants to play hardball on a system that the very people who passed it into law are admitting isn't ready for prime time.
 
Who's the villain here?
 
You're a victim of partisan nonsense that by the admission of those at its core is flawwed. Thanks for being a zombie.

Demand? (1)

dlt074 (548126) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012205)

demand? doubt it. how about piss poor government planing.

The DEA is up! (4, Interesting)

turp182 (1020263) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012221)

At least the DEA website is up, letting us know they are still operating. Gotta get those pot smokers.

http://www.justice.gov/dea/index.shtml [justice.gov]

Meanwhile the USDA is down, but don't worry, there's no problem with our food supply.

http://www.usda.gov/ [usda.gov]

Makes sense to me. Going after the druggies is far more essential than the food we eat.

Incomprehensible.

Look everybody USA as poor as... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012231)

Last time this shutdown happened it was but a blip on the international News. You'd hear about someone not getting something done while traveling to the USA and you'd think 'Oh, they must have something similar to a general strike by goverment employees'.

But now, with the internet, the rest of the world hears your complaints about how the government itself is forcing the shut down. It's like the USA is screaming: "Oh look at poor us, our country is out of money we are almost as poor as North-Korea now. We are shutting down NASA maybe soon you will see dark spots on imaging satelites there where our cities used to be. We are now so poor you may claim the sovjet block has won the cold war in hindsight."

slashdotted (2)

MrKaos (858439) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012241)

the gubberment!!!!...Wow

DDOS and Bogusity (3, Interesting)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012267)

I have to wonder how much of the crush was due to the Randians, the Baggers, and Koch Whores trying to overwhelm the site and flood it with bogus accounts. Given the depth of their hatred of the working poor, it would not surpise in the least.

a million (3, Informative)

Charliemopps (1157495) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012301)

Well over a million users and their site couldn't handle it? Mr President, call up Yahoo or Go-daddy... they could have your site up and running in a few minutes.

Another cyberattack? (1)

TheloniousToady (3343045) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012337)

I think Congress has found a powerful new cyberattack vector. With very little technical knowledge, the 535 members have successfully launched a DDoS attack on the health exchange site and most of the other major websites of the United States Government. Imagine what they could do if they put their hacker skills to good purpose. Then again, as Mark Twain noted, "There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress."

There's a little difference: (1)

argStyopa (232550) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012367)

One's not (now) compelled by law to own an iphone. Just sayin'.

Ahh Government IT projects.... (2)

Lumpy (12016) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012373)

Always done half assed by a contractor that barely has the skills to do the job. Honestly, who was the consultant because they were no talent n00bs in gauging the amount of traffic these sites would expect. Even if it is only an initial spike in traffic they could have EASILY paid for temporary increased infrastructure from places like rackspace to handle the first 3 months easily.

Plus the number of outright failures and nasty bugs being reported makes me even wonder if they tested the sites.

Re:Ahh Government IT projects.... (2)

Stumbles (602007) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012391)

You have never worked as a government contractor.

Re:Ahh Government IT projects.... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | 1 year,22 days | (#45012429)

Yes I have. so I know this as a fact first hand.
Worked on a SCADA system, Oh dear god it was a disaster in security and the design seemed to come from someone that knew nothing at all about IT let alone how to secure things.

I for one blame Ruby on Rails (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45012435)

Frontend devs love their Ruby, but we server mongers know the truth. Ruby just doesn't scale well at mega load. Not even Akamai's CDN could save them from that self-inflicted wound.

The Healthcare devs made other sloppy mistakes too. Unminified jquery-ui... Unprocessed Ruby vars leaking into HTML... Enough unsettling comments to make Uncle Bob cry... Reading the HTML looks as if they threw the whole thing together over a weekend.

And yes, the Healthcare.gov site is indeed written in Ruby:
https://github.com/CMSgov/healthcare.gov

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