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German NSA Critic Denied Entry To the US

Unknown Lamer posted about 7 months ago | from the skynet-doesn't-like-you dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Major newspapers in Germany (FAZ, Die Welt, SZ, ...) and the Huffington Post report that the author Ilja Trojanow has been prevented from boarding a plane from Salvador da Bahia to the U.S. where he was invited to attend a conference. He had ESTA documents showing that his visit was approved as part of the Visa Waiver Program and was last year given a visa to teach at the university of Saint Louis. Trojanow was one of the initiators of an open letter (Google translation to English) urging Chancellor Merkel to take actions against NSA surveillance in Germany."

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Remember all those times Bush blocked... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013561)

...critics of the NSA from entering our country?

Me neither.

Once again, Obama proves he's a worse President for civil liberties than Bush ever was.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013631)

there is no right to enter the USA unless you are a citizen

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013707)

there is no right to enter the USA unless you are a citizen

Fuck you, you neofascist loser.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (5, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about 7 months ago | (#45013731)

No one is claiming he has a "right" to enter the US.

Quite a few of us are wondering what is happening to our land of the free, however. This guy was coming to attend an academic conference.

That said, TFA is not really journalism, and fails to even mention an attempt to contact American authorities for an explanation.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013823)

Since when does a foreign citizen who actively works AGAINST the interests of the US government allowed freedoms to enter the United States?

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (4, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about 7 months ago | (#45013897)

Since when

Until this guy was stopped. We are the country that hosts the damn UN. What the heck are we afraid of? This guy is totally non-violent.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014321)

Don't forget that the US never paid their bills to the UN.... And they are the only one!

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (5, Insightful)

nospam007 (722110) | about 7 months ago | (#45013917)

"Since when does a foreign citizen who actively works AGAINST the interests of the US government allowed freedoms to enter the United States?"

Freedom means just that, allowing disagreements, if you let only people have freedom who agree with you, that's not freedom.

The NSA works against the interest of the US, since it makes millions of customer move their online business to Non-US entities.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (2)

sjames (1099) | about 7 months ago | (#45014053)

Can we PLEASE deport the NSA?

Yes, they will no doubt start spying for the highest bidder and we'll still have problems with them, but at least someone else will have to pay for it then.

Of course, but... (1)

gwolf (26339) | about 7 months ago | (#45014123)

Where do you want them deported to? What is their country of origin?

(tip: It would seem "In Soviet Russia..." would make use of it, but no, they had their own. Quite different.)

Re:Of course, but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014241)

Where do you want them deported to?

The moon would be a start, Neptune would be better.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014281)

"Since when does a foreign citizen who actively works AGAINST the interests of the US government allowed freedoms to enter the United States?"

Also, this is a very dangerous statement to make. Just because someone accepting this line could assume that every visitor and citizen of the US is willing to spy on another country (which in case you don't know it is illegal and punishable by the highest punishment in every country). It opens the door to preemptive deny of freedoms (which is actually the topic of discussion).

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (5, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about 7 months ago | (#45013945)

Since when does a foreign citizen who actively works AGAINST the interests of the US government allowed freedoms to enter the United States?

since you allowed dissident opinions. you used to. are you trying to argue that anyone who visits usa should be an active traitor to their own country in order to gain access? you got any idea how fucked up that sounds between supposedly friendly nations? you really want to lose all international business, all international relevance as being a hub for conferences?

that's why UN is in the USA among other things. of course it can also be easily argued that what the NSA is doing isn't in the best interest of USA government, it's becoming increasingly easily to argue that USA government isn't doing things in the interest of USA government or even USA.

that being an NSA critic has turned into being the same as having a communist party membership in the '50's is quite telling of how your nsa-stasi is running and ruining your country. their gathering for intelligence is increasingly aimed at just keeping their agency going. welfare? "fuck that, as long as we can keep tabs on who is complaining about lack of welfare".

and now you just bomb people with dissident opinion even if they don't enter USA - along with whoever has to associate themselves with people having those opinions. go sit in the corner in shame.

The UN is in the USA... (4, Interesting)

gwolf (26339) | about 7 months ago | (#45014167)

Because, in the late 1940s, it was basically the only industrial power not deeply into reconstructing their torn economy and infrastructure. Not because any other country recognized the moral supremacy of the USA's national definitions, not because the USA grants anybody guarantees to dissent.

The United Nations is juridically akin to the various embassies. It is international territory, not USA territory. It might be phisically located in Manhattan, New York, but is not because New York is (or ever was) the hippest place to talk freely about the evil bad guys.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (5, Insightful)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 7 months ago | (#45013949)

Yeah, it's really horrible that he doesn't want his own country spied on.

A real bad actor, this guy.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (1)

Linzer (753270) | about 7 months ago | (#45014043)

What if you were banned from entering the EU for saying that? Maybe you don't care about the EU and don't want to travel there. Or maybe you do.

At any rate, you might like to hear an explanation.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014051)

He is also actively working for the freedom of the US population, but I guess you consider that unamerican.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (5, Insightful)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 7 months ago | (#45014193)

Since when does a foreign citizen who actively works AGAINST the interests of the US government allowed freedoms to enter the United States?

If he was encouraging people to make bombing attacks on US soil, or encouraging the southern states to take another crack at secession, I'd concede your point but this guy is being denied entry for exercising freedom of speech. If another country, your ally, is spying on you, surely you are well within your rights to petition your own leader to do something about it? Or perhaps you think that it would be acceptable for the UK government to deny entry to any US citizen who criticized BP over the Deepwater Horizon oil spill? This is a clear case of sore-loser syndrome.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013965)

No one is claiming he has a "right" to enter the US.

Quite a few of us are wondering what is happening to our land of the free, however. This guy was coming to attend an academic conference.

That said, TFA is not really journalism, and fails to even mention an attempt to contact American authorities for an explanation.

The last time I checked US embassies principally do not dispense explanations for refusing visa applications denied for political reasons. All you get is a politely worded letter that boils down to a big fat NO.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (4, Informative)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 7 months ago | (#45014033)

The last time I checked US embassies principally do not dispense explanations for refusing visa applications denied for political reasons. All you get is a politely worded letter that boils down to a big fat NO.

He's German. He doesn't need a visa....

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014235)

Not a visa, but he does need to register with, and be accepted through, the visa waiver program.

Which he supposedly was, so in theory someone within the US security theatre system had approved him already.

(But then again, I've used that ETSA/visa waiver program website, and it's remarkably piss poor, you get very very little in the way of any acknowledgement or notification of what your status is under the program, and on the whole feels more like a tourist tax than anything else.)

(ESTA = Electronic System for Travel Authorization)

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013769)

there is no right to enter the USA unless you are a Native American

There, fixed it for you.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013989)

Modded 0? Not surprising. Truth about genocides can be hard to read.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014161)

There's no such thing as Native American (American Indians come from Asia. In other words they are Asian-Americans). So the entire Western Hemisphere should be vacated?

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (1)

KiloByte (825081) | about 7 months ago | (#45014183)

So you somehow prefer the first, second and third wave of immigration over subsequent ones?

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013795)

Ok, but maybe it's time to remove the plaque from the statue of liberty.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013869)

That's just some nonsense the French dreamed up. We needed easily exploitable immigrants back then and offered them citizenship in return.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (1)

smash (1351) | about 7 months ago | (#45014075)

It's a marketing slogan/trademark. Like google's "Don't be evil" and MacDonald's "100% real beef(tm)".

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014201)

Ok, but maybe it's time to remove the plaque from the statue of liberty.

No, it's time for the Statue of Liberty to go back to France.
Damn it, giving it to the Yanks was the worst decision ever. We should have never even helped them during the revolutionary war.

Wrong and Missing the Point (5, Insightful)

Roger W Moore (538166) | about 7 months ago | (#45013991)

there is no right to enter the USA unless you are a citizen

That's factually wrong - "resident aliens" to use the US governments description have a right to enter the US. This was the only reason I got a green card when living in the US because my job required travel to academic conferences and after one incident where I was almost denied entry with my J-1 visa simply because I was married to an American we applied for a green card because then it was impossible for them to refuse me entry and my job depended on being able to return.

However it also misses the point which is that your government thinks it is fine to exclude people from the US who disagree with its policies. If it is willing to do that to foreigners coming for rational academic debate how much longer do you think it will be before they find a way to silence your criticisms too?

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | about 7 months ago | (#45014005)

True, but the government is demonstrating how much of an asshat it is by denying people entry solely on account of peaceful criticism.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (1)

smash (1351) | about 7 months ago | (#45014055)

no desire, either.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014307)

I would never travel to Afganistan, Iraq, North Korea, US and Iran.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014211)

there is no right to enter the USA unless you are a citizen

You have no right to leave either.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014213)

there is no right to enter North Korea too. The other free country, just like US.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (0)

durrr (1316311) | about 7 months ago | (#45013645)

They did it to claim they just "blocked a Trojan(ow)" and thus give a false impression they're helping with security.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013797)

No, but I do remember when artists critical of the war were denied entry into the United States under Bush...

Really? Who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014019)

Links or it didn't happen

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (2, Informative)

SvnLyrBrto (62138) | about 7 months ago | (#45013973)

Yeah... During the last administration, dubya's critics and political opponents (Up to and including Ted Kennedy, for example.) just happened to mysteriously and "accidentally" find themselves accused of being terrorists and placed on the no-fly list.

Yup. No abuse of power or civil liberties there. Nosirrre bob.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (5, Informative)

Hatta (162192) | about 7 months ago | (#45014129)

Adam Habib was denied entrance [washingtontimes.com] in 2006.

Mr. Habib, a well-known South African scholar who has criticized the war in Iraq, was denied a visa by the U.S. government in a letter saying he âoeengaged in a terrorist activity,â an accusation Mr. Habib has vigorously denied.

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014149)

I wonder if Obama said anything about this secrete court etc - would he be charged with revealing of secrete information etc. I know he is a president but republicans tried to get Clinton for grammar errors (or out of envy that he had oral sex - not sure on that one) so surely the revealing of top secret information would be enough to impeach him or?

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (4, Interesting)

RazorSharp (1418697) | about 7 months ago | (#45014239)

Once again, Obama proves he's a worse President for civil liberties than Bush ever was.

I had to Godwin this thread, but that's like saying Hitler wasn't so bad because Stalin killed millions more people. Obama, for the most part, has lost my support, but that certainly doesn't mean I wish Bush Jr. were still president. If I could choose any politician to appoint to the presidency, it would probably be Ron Wyden. Unfortunately, it looks like I'll probably be stuck voting for Rand Paul next election, despite the fact that I vehemently disagree with his economic beliefs, because civil liberties in this country have eroded so much and I don't think Wyden will be in the running (fucking Democrats will probably nominate another jackass who toes the establishment line similar to Obama).

Re:Remember all those times Bush blocked... (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | about 7 months ago | (#45014295)

Remember who created this program in the first place? The no-entry list has become a popularity list and it just gets longer.

Arm Bands (3, Interesting)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | about 7 months ago | (#45013589)

Since we are going full-on Totalitarian Police State, can we get cool Hugo Boss suits with colorful arm bands?
Time for DHS/FEMA to start filling up those Concentration Camps they've been building.

Re:Arm Bands (5, Insightful)

lennier1 (264730) | about 7 months ago | (#45013657)

The ones left over from when they imprisoned Americans of Japanese ancestry?

Re:Arm Bands (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013763)

No, these are actually new ones. And they even have 5x size coffins ready, so you and your friends can spend eternity together (until they burn you that is)

Re:Arm Bands (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013725)

Hopefully we can use what he have learned at Gitmo to improve efficiency.
But don't worry guys, we will get sweet arm bands with the opposite [wikipedia.org] sign on them. People will know the difference.

Re:Arm Bands (1)

Qzukk (229616) | about 7 months ago | (#45013781)

Hopefully we can use what he have learned at Gitmo to improve efficiency.

Fifty Shades of Gray for everyone!

Re:Arm Bands (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013883)

Since we are going full-on Totalitarian Police State, can we get cool Hugo Boss suits with colorful arm bands?
Time for DHS/FEMA to start filling up those Concentration Camps they've been building.

This is nothing new. I know a few people who were denied entry into the USA, none of them could think of a reason why and the embassy never gives a reason. All of these people are University graduates, all have clean criminal records, none of them was planning to the US on a tourist visa and stay illegally nor does any of them have ties to Al Qaeda... they aren't even moslems. The closest I have found to a reason is an engineer buddy of mine who was invited to an all expenses paid technical conference by a US business partner only to be denied a visa. We finally figured his visa application was probably denied because he had worked as a paperboy for a communist newspaper when he was 15 to earn some extra pocket money and because of that he made some sort of blacklist back in the cold war.

Rejection (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013593)

Maybe he can't handle reject?

Awesome (4, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | about 7 months ago | (#45013597)

This pretty much blows away the "trust the government - it would never abuse its power" argument the apologists like to trot out so readily.

Re:Awesome (4, Interesting)

usuallylost (2468686) | about 7 months ago | (#45013693)

Nothing you can do will bring about a faster or harsher reaction from Government than challenging their power. This is true of any Government. Though the US seems to be getting harsher and harsher about it.

Re:Awesome (2)

SirGarlon (845873) | about 7 months ago | (#45013777)

Though the US seems to be getting harsher and harsher about it.

My diagnosis is that these are the desperate throes of a doomed regime.

Re:Awesome (2)

Captain Hook (923766) | about 7 months ago | (#45013865)

Though the US seems to be getting harsher and harsher about it.

It's a declining empire, it's going to do more and more ridiculous things to maintain it's position at the top of the heap.

Re:Awesome (4, Insightful)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | about 7 months ago | (#45013943)

Wrong on both counts there. For one, that's not an argument trotted out by anyone. It's a blatant strawman. I know of the argument you're referring to, and it's more complicated than that.

For two, even if it were an argument, this doesn't even refute it. You've had a suspicious event and a possible explanation that fits your worldview handed to you. The entire "refutation" comes from confirmation bias.

Not that I should have to say this, but please note I'm not saying the government is trustworthy. Power in the hands of humanity is inherently untrustworthy, and I think you'd be hard-pressed to find people who disagree there. I'm also not saying that the government isn't doing something shady here, or the explanation you've leapt to is wrong. But, for the sake human rationality, please think before leaping to conclusions.

Re:Awesome (4, Insightful)

smash (1351) | about 7 months ago | (#45014105)

I know it must be hard for some of you guys who have lived there all your life being brainwashed from birth all through school, etc - but your constitution and the right to bear arms was written specifically because the founding fathers wanted to ensure that you guys had an option if you didn't trust your government.

You've kept the right to bear arms bit so far, but it's about time you got around to that holding your government accountable to the people bit.

Re:Awesome (1)

RazorSharp (1418697) | about 7 months ago | (#45014323)

This pretty much blows away the "trust the government - it would never abuse its power" argument the apologists like to trot out so readily.

Who the hell are those people? The only people I've heard make that argument were congressmen and pundits who religiously support their party.

Another Victory! (4, Funny)

skydyr (1404883) | about 7 months ago | (#45013621)

You can thank the NSA for stopping this wanton criminal before he can enter the US.

Re:Another Victory! (5, Funny)

Doug Otto (2821601) | about 7 months ago | (#45013649)

... stopping this wonton criminal...

I knew it! He was really Chinese!

Re:Another Victory! (5, Funny)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 7 months ago | (#45013715)

...stopping this one-ton criminal...

No, it's obvious he was planning to become an illegal immigrant and conceal himself in plain sight among the natives.

Re:Another Victory! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013809)

Well, if he's the typical German, he'd likely be covered in his lover's shit...which would then disguise him as a Mexican.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Wow ... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013655)

Has America reached the point where criticizing the shit you do is grounds to deny entry when you don't pose a threat?

Enjoy it kids, your country has jumped the shark and is continuing its decline into a paranoid police state.

America is pretty much fucked at this point unless this can be fixed.

Freedom is slavery, bitches.

Overzealous Staffer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013671)

Nothing to see here. Move along. Or else.

Sigh ... (5, Informative)

hweimer (709734) | about 7 months ago | (#45013683)

... the story only shows that German media outlets are not familiar with US entry regulations. He says that he was denied a visa last year [faz.net] , which automatically disqualifies him from the visa waiver program. This is just a garden-variety ESTA issue, and most likely has nothing to do with his stance of the NSA surveillance.

Re:Sigh ... (3, Informative)

Immostlyharmless (1311531) | about 7 months ago | (#45013791)

"Even last year was the American Consulate in Munich my application for a work visa for the purpose of visiting professor at Washington University in St. Louis first negative opinion and only after protests by the university and a significant delay, which could pass a portion of the semester useless, the visa is issued."

From googles translate, but it doesn't to me like he was denied as it was eventually issued?

Re:Sigh ... (0)

mjpollard (473241) | about 7 months ago | (#45013793)

Shhhhh! Quiet! Don't you know you're interrupting a perfectly good "USA bad, spooks everywhere, no one is safe, NSA spies are reading the messages in my alphabet soup, oooga-booga!" narrative?

Re:Sigh ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013833)

Informative indeed. I'm sure our German-speaking readers got benefit from your link.

Untrue the visa was given afterward (5, Informative)

aepervius (535155) | about 7 months ago | (#45013845)

"Schon vergangenes Jahr hatte das amerikanische Konsulat in München meinen Antrag auf ein Arbeitsvisum zum Zwecke einer Gastprofessur an der Washington University in St. Louis zuerst negativ beschieden und erst nach Protesten der UniversitÃt und einer erheblichen VerzÃgerung, die einen Teil des Semesters nutzlos vergehen lieÃY, das Visum erteilt"

Already last year had firstly denied the american consulat in Munic the request for work visa as guest professor in university st louis, and only after protest of the university et delay , with which made a part of the semester useless , gave the visa.

Therefore this is all US BS.

Plus he had an ESTA confirmation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013957)

That, and he also had an ESTA confirmation. His name should not have been on the secret no-fly list and there shouldn't be a secret no-fly list in the first place.

Re:Plus he had an ESTA confirmation (4, Informative)

gl4ss (559668) | about 7 months ago | (#45014169)

That, and he also had an ESTA confirmation. His name should not have been on the secret no-fly list and there shouldn't be a secret no-fly list in the first place.

the esta means that he wasn't on the no-fly list. that's pretty much the point of the esta. and also to extract money from everyone visiting but that's another thing.

that he was denied after that means that he is on some other secret list. isn't it wonderful to have multiple secret lists of "unwanted" people?

Re:Sigh ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013887)

Actually the visa was granted after the university protested.

Re:Sigh ... (1)

aaaaaaargh! (1150173) | about 7 months ago | (#45013903)

What are you talking about? The article you link to doesn't say anywhere that his visum was denied. It says he had a printed confirmation that his ESTA status said "authorization approved".

Re:Sigh ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014009)

...and that you do not read very carefully. The request was only denied at first, reexamined on objection, and granted in the end.

Re:Sigh ... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 7 months ago | (#45014015)

You mean secret police state like no fly list?

Is that what you are calling garden variety, comrade?

Re:Sigh ... (3, Informative)

Alioth (221270) | about 7 months ago | (#45014221)

No, being denied a visa does not make you ineligible for the visa waiver program. You are however cautioned that if the immigration officer determines you're coming on a visa waiver to do whatever it was you needed a visa for, you can be denied entry.

I've been denied a visa in the past (and just like this German guy, my visa was ultimately issued after some extra paperwork round-trips) but I've never had any trouble entering the US under the visa waiver program.

Re:Sigh ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014319)

... the story only shows that German media outlets are not familiar with US entry regulations. He says that he was denied a visa last year [faz.net] , which automatically disqualifies him from the visa waiver program. This is just a garden-variety ESTA issue, and most likely has nothing to do with his stance of the NSA surveillance.

I'm sure that hiccup had nothing to do with the fact that he may have incurred the wrath of the US govt. with criticisms that predate the NSA scandal.

Government shutdown (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013689)

Probably more due to the fact that there simply isn't anyone around to process his visa and let him into the country.

And with that ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013695)

Free speech in the US was over. Congratulations US. That was quick.

Re:And with that ... (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 7 months ago | (#45014027)

You do realize that free speech is only for American citizens, right?

There is no free speech in America for non-Americans. Never has been.

Re:And with that ... (4, Interesting)

smash (1351) | about 7 months ago | (#45014141)

You still think you actually have free speech over there? Read this [wikipedia.org] .

Re:And with that ... (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 7 months ago | (#45014209)

I misphrased what I said.

I meant to say that free speech WAS only for American citizens, and never was for anyone else.

Re:And with that ... (4, Informative)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about 7 months ago | (#45014283)

The first amendment limits the powers of the US, and makes no mention of citizens. It says Congress can't limit free speech. period. If it's not within the US jurisdiction, then the US doens't have the power at all.

Also, putting aside the specific letter of the law, free speech is considered to be an inalienable right to all men. So, you would have to claim that non-Americans aren't human in order to deny them a human right.

Re:And with that ... (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 7 months ago | (#45014325)

There is no free speech in America for non-Americans. Never has been.

In that case, surely you will concede that the country whose citizens love to call it "land of the free" would more correctly be called "land of the assholes".

You have the freedom.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013703)

to think and do as we tell you.

Where is the Shutdown... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013771)

... when you need it???

duh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013785)

He has to stay outside the USA if the NSA wants to keep spying on him, as they have no capability to do so within our Free nation's borders.

I see, so it's (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013913)

Land of the free to not enter.

Ashamed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013951)

This makes me ashamed of my country.

With that name ? (2)

o'reor (581921) | about 7 months ago | (#45013959)

A guy by the name of Ilja Trojanow (which could be translated as "Elijah Trojan") gets barred from entering the US by the NSA ? Really ?

Sorry, but barring Trojans from entering your systems is just basic computer security.

Re:With that name ? (1)

Arker (91948) | about 7 months ago | (#45014133)

Actually I think that translates to "Elijah Trojanson" but it's probably close enough for funny.

Re:With that name ? (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 7 months ago | (#45014251)

Yep, keeping those Trojans out is a vital security measure, as discovered the hard way by King Menelaus of Sparta.

Never look a gift horse in the mouth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013985)

I don't understand how Trojanow didn't slip by unnoticed. Perhaps a dropper would have helped.

LAND OF THE FREE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45013995)

Filter error: You can type more than that for your comment.

I CAN, BUT I WONT

Well There's Your Problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014049)

There is no "University of St. Louis". There is University of Missouri, St. Louis; and there is Saint Louis University. That's why he was denied. Probbably had bombs in his pencils too.

Lucky Bastard (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45014061)

I wish I was denied entry into the US, and I live here.

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