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Nvidia Removed Linux Driver Feature For Feature Parity With Windows

timothy posted about 7 months ago | from the leveling-the-playing-the-field dept.

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RemyBR writes "Softpedia points to a Nvidia Developer Zone forum post revealing that the company has removed a specific Linux feature as of the v310 drivers due to the Windows platform. A BaseMosaic user on Ubuntu 12.04 noticed a change in the number of displays that can be used simultaneously after upgrading from the v295 drivers to v310. Another user, apparently working for Nvidia, gave a very troubling answer: 'For feature parity between Windows and Linux we set BaseMosaic to 3 screens.'"

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And this why communism doesn't work (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043095)

It makes everyone equal with Windows.

Re:And this why communism doesn't work (-1, Offtopic)

pecosdave (536896) | about 7 months ago | (#45043387)

What dumbass modded this down? It was hilarious and spot on.

Re: And this why communism doesn't work (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043715)

No. Free nouveou is communism. Binary blob is dictatorship

Re:And this why communism doesn't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45044053)

I'd settle for making it compile with the 3.10 kernels... so I don't end up without a FUCKING GUI thanks NVIDIA.

Good to know... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043097)

...we'll soon have Optimus support and 3d support (without needing a Quadro card) under linux as well. All in the name of 'feature parity' of course...

Re:Good to know... (1)

ninlilizi (2759613) | about 7 months ago | (#45043393)

About time.

The inability of the Linux drivers to drive my 3D gaming projector is the only thing still keeping windows on my box.

Re:Good to know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45044019)

works fine with a quadro card....;-) Although it does require a 3.5 mm jack to sync the IR to the glasses. Windows uses the USB to do this... I am assuming this is simple market segmentation, to encourage the purchase of quadro cards. Although, they have ECC memory and the mathematics is guaranteed correct....

Re:Good to know... (1)

ninlilizi (2759613) | about 7 months ago | (#45044281)

Quadros do VESA 3D... Which is an older and very different technology.
Under Windows, I just use the 3DTV Play feature to hook my projector up over HDMI. The glasses are controlled by the projector... Works like a 3DTV. I just change to a 3D resolution in the driver control panel and it all just works.

Even if I bought a Quadro card xor a 3D Vision Pro kit. The Linux drivers won't let me output HDMI 1.4a Famepacked Stereo.

Backwards parity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043113)

So shouldn't they gimp the speed of Windows drivers until their inline with Linux?

Thus: (5, Insightful)

Zanadou (1043400) | about 7 months ago | (#45043121)

"We have altered the deal; pray we do not alter it again."

Re:Thus: (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043149)

And people thought Nvidia focusing on Linux drivers because of Steam Box was only going to be beneficial. Be careful what you wish for...

Re:Thus: (1, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | about 7 months ago | (#45043265)

What deal? The only deal would be between Nvidea and Microsoft, who I'm sure paid a princely sum to hide one of Windows' various deficiencies.

MS must be sacred shitless of Linux, especially since Linux-Android is kicking its ass in the phone and tablet market. MS has a long way to go to match Linux's and Linux's distros' feature sets.

Re:Thus: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043401)

the deal between nvidia and linux users using their closed source driver. It's an argument in favour of open sourced drivers, since with those you are less at the mercy of the vendor.

Re:Thus: (4, Informative)

mysidia (191772) | about 7 months ago | (#45043513)

What deal? The only deal would be between Nvidea and Microsoft, who I'm sure paid a princely sum to hide one of Windows' various deficiencies.

Why do that, when you control the Windows logo rules?

Windows must have a preferred status; features available to Windows users must surpass the list of features available to users of competing platforms; that is, as a condition of applying Windows logo certification to a qualifying hardware product, Hardware must have an experience or supported featureset on Windows that exceeds the user experience on any competing operating system.

Re:Thus: (3, Insightful)

mgiuca (1040724) | about 7 months ago | (#45044091)

I'd love to know whether that's a real quote from the Windows logo rules. Unfortunately, a Google search for the text returns only one result: this comment. [Citation needed]

Re:Thus: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45044233)

Exactly.

And if above is real quote from an agreement made with manufacturers to get approved and use Windows stickers then Microsoft has gone too far and should be hauled to court for unfair market practices hindering competition.

MicroSoft needs 3rd party for that? (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about 7 months ago | (#45044121)

Seriously, Does MicroSoft need 3rd party vendors to make their "user experience" better than their own operating system? I'm sorry, let me rephrase that: Do hardware drivers make the user experience so much better? That must be one crappy operating system then....

Re:MicroSoft needs 3rd party for that? (1)

Kwyj1b0 (2757125) | about 7 months ago | (#45044331)

I'm sorry, let me rephrase that: Do hardware drivers make the user experience so much better? That must be one crappy operating system then....

Funny. If I read just this part of your comment, I wouldn't know whether you are criticizing Windows or Linux. This whole article is about hardware drivers affecting user experience!!

Re:Thus: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043933)

Yeah....no. You're an idiot. Stick to your home Linux masturbation. MS has zero fear of Linux. Linux can't get itself together enough to make a few solid choices. There has to be a dozen or more and when it comes to an OS, that is death by indecision and lack of support. Linux is still in its infancy and shows no signs of growing up to take over.

NVIDIA -- fuck you! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043133)

~ Linus

Re:NVIDIA -- fuck you! (3, Insightful)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 7 months ago | (#45043187)

Yeah, well, If Linus had listened to RMS about binary blobs then he wouldn't be giving the finger to NVIDIA, eh? Fucking hypocrite, IMO.

Re:NVIDIA -- fuck you! (2)

znanue (2782675) | about 7 months ago | (#45043823)

He might have listened to RMS but nobody might be listening to him. Maybe we need RMS but we also need an OSS hero that is more practical than RMS, and we have that in LBT.

Re:NVIDIA -- fuck you! (3, Insightful)

redback (15527) | about 7 months ago | (#45043953)

The world needs RMS and people with his viewpoint.

But you cant force everyone to live in their world.

Re:NVIDIA -- fuck you! (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about 7 months ago | (#45044219)

And instead we got NVidia's feet wet in the Linux ecosystem and proved there's money in it for them.

Now we can push them further toward the FOSS cliff.

QA (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043135)

I bet it's just for the test cases.

Fuck Nvidia (-1, Troll)

bazmail (764941) | about 7 months ago | (#45043139)

Fuck Nvidia and all who sail on her.

Re:Fuck Nvidia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043297)

Fuck you too.

Re:Fuck Nvidia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043437)

No, Fuck you!

Re: Fuck Nvidia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043503)

fucking

Re:Fuck Nvidia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043633)

Anonymous Coward is fucking himself!

Re:Fuck Nvidia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043727)

Metafuckery.

Re:Fuck Nvidia (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45044333)

So that's what kids call masturbation these days.

Thanks nVidia (5, Insightful)

turgid (580780) | about 7 months ago | (#45043771)

I've been running accelerated 3D graphics on Linux thanks to nVidia since 2000. And thanks to Linus' pragmatism

In an ideal world, nVidia would provide their drivers as Open Source for the FOSS crowd, and one day they might if they can get the IP issues sorted out.

I am a supporter of Linux and the FSF and I admire and support the efforts and ideals of both. However, these are ideals not physical reality. I choose FOSS wherever possible. I don't run Windows and abandoned MS when Win95 came out. I've done just fine without them (thanks for Slackware, Pat).

I dare say that there are millions of (not very clever) people in the world who would have dismissed Linux and Free Software in general as "rubbish" had they not been able to see it do fast, hardware-accelerated 3D graphics like the commercial OSs. You know what people are like...

Then we had the support for Linux from ATi, not to be left out, and later intel who have very generously provided much data and open source code.

Without nVidia's contribution and pioneering support of Linux, we'd be in a much darker place today and Linux would be not nearly as popular with the average user.

I've been using nVidia graphics cards on my own PCs (all Linux) since 1999 and I've never been disappointed. I'm on my 5th or 6th card now (lost count). And I've never had trouble integrating their driver with Slackware or anything else...

Just a happy customer here, not an employee or shareholder.

SteamOS (3, Interesting)

BenJeremy (181303) | about 7 months ago | (#45043151)

I wonder how this will affect SteamOS, since the Steam Machines are nvidia based. Maybe Valve will start throwing their weight around to get nvidia to offer better Linux support?

Re:SteamOS (2)

DragonTHC (208439) | about 7 months ago | (#45043205)

They already have. I don't remember reading anything about SteamOS being completely opensource.

Re: SteamOS (5, Interesting)

Jeff Woods (3381459) | about 7 months ago | (#45043259)

Valve stated that SteamOS will be open source. Even their prototype beta hardware will be open and hackable.

Re:SteamOS (2)

_merlin (160982) | about 7 months ago | (#45043211)

Considering it's a console that plugs into a TV, I don't think this matters much at all. Valve's definitely been throwing their weight around demanding better performance and fewer bugs, though. nVidia Linux drivers have been performing better with every release.

When Wii U, PS4, and XbOne all run AMD (2)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#45044073)

Considering it's a console that plugs into a TV, I don't think this matters much at all. Valve's definitely been throwing their weight around demanding better performance and fewer bugs, though.

That or the fact that of the four eighth-generation consoles available now, all three run AMD graphics. PS4 and Xbox One have essentially the same AMD APU, and Wii U is reportedly built on a Radeon HD 5000 [wiiudaily.com] . Only the OUYA console has NVIDIA graphics, and that's the same Tegra 3 that's in the first-generation Nexus 7. Perhaps this is NV's attempt to redeem itself to gamers who say OUYA doesn't count.

Not interested in these lies. (1)

Narcocide (102829) | about 7 months ago | (#45043157)

I want to hear more about the features they've been leaving out of the Linux drivers to make Windows support superior.

Removing feature for parity with another platform? (5, Interesting)

DJ Rubbie (621940) | about 7 months ago | (#45043161)

Anyway, if i'm right, optimus support under linux is not on par with windows.
Are you nvidia going to fix optimus on linux, or "for feature parity" are you going to make the optimus support worse on windows too?

Directly quoting someone from that thread because this was exactly what I was thinking of.

Re:Removing feature for parity with another platfo (1)

diebels (893147) | about 7 months ago | (#45043189)

Anyway, if i'm right, optimus support under linux is not on par with windows. Are you nvidia going to fix optimus on linux, or "for feature parity" are you going to make the optimus support worse on windows too?

Directly quoting someone from that thread because this was exactly what I was thinking of.

That's a bug, not a feature :-p

Re:Removing feature for parity with another platfo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043305)

lol

I smell a lawsuit... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043173)

Crippling drivers just to bolster the position of a company may have anti-trust implications. Between this and technologies like UEFI, non-rooted devices, etc., I could see all the companies taken to task in one huge round of prosecutions.

Re:I smell a lawsuit... (0)

Dunbal (464142) | about 7 months ago | (#45043191)

In a country where the government thinks it can do what it wants with all your "meta" data? Naw, government and corporations have decided that your computer is theirs, not yours.

Re:I smell a lawsuit... (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about 7 months ago | (#45043277)

More importantly, I don't think NVidia is far enough ahead of AMD to make this a smart move. Their Linux drivers still have a better reputation compared to AMD, but it seems to me this advantage is eroding. Pissed customers might simply get an AMD next time.

By comparison, Intel can get away with similar crap in the CPU world (no ECC RAM support except on Xeon processors and "workstation" chipsets). Their lead over AMD in CPUs is big enough that most people will swallow the bitter pill and buy Intel anyway.

Re:I smell a lawsuit... (4, Insightful)

datapharmer (1099455) | about 7 months ago | (#45043673)

Not really so. We ran a comparison before our last server purchase for a larger client and AMD won the performance per dollar ratio for virtualization with the dl 385 g7. I'm also about to make a large desktop refresh purchase for a cost conscious company and the amd offerings from various suppliers offer more bang for the buck. They are mostly using standard office applications, and in a couple cases light adobe work (photoshop, Indesign etc) and for the price even on the more heavily utilized computers we can add a dedicated graphics card and more ram for the same price or less than buying an intel based box. Given that the ram is more expandable on many of the amd chipsets and the raw cpu power just isn't that important any more for the 90% use case it makes sense to have a homogenous environment, so intel is likely out of the picture completely.

In a car anaology, if you are a racecar driver you need a racecar, but as a car manufacturer don't rest on your laurels and think you can charge more just because you have a really fast ferrari. Most people are happy with a slower but reliable toyota with the power window and cruise control at a fraction of the cost.

nouveau (5, Insightful)

Sqr(twg) (2126054) | about 7 months ago | (#45043179)

All this time I've been pissed at the nouveau [freedesktop.org] drivers that came as default with my linux distribution. "NVIDIA's drivers are working perfectly" I thought. "Why the hell are you building something not as good, just to make it open source?"

Now I know.

Re: nouveau (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043199)

Silly RMS and his free software. He is starting to look quite a bit more insightful, decades after he started his public campaign.

Re:nouveau (2)

razman47 (3358879) | about 7 months ago | (#45043321)

It still lacks critical features like proper power management, which means cards using Nouveau tend to have reduced lifespans compared to the binary drivers which actually control the fans and voltages properly.

Nouveau is a good idea and should be encouraged, but there's no fucking way I'll touch it even if NVIDIA treats Linux like a second-class citizen. And honestly, if you aren't used to being treated like a second (or after OS X, a third-class citizen) on the desktop computing world, you haven't used Linux for long enough.

Re:nouveau (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043369)

Instead of not touching Nouveau, you should be not touching NVIDIA hardware.
Blame them for refusing to supply open source drivers, or even just specifications so that we can create the drivers ourselves. Don't blame the guys who are making an effort to do something about the problem in their own way.

Re:nouveau (2)

razman47 (3358879) | about 7 months ago | (#45043793)

Check what I wrote. I didn't blame the people working on Nouveau at all, it's a tough job and I even said we should encourage their work. It's just that the current results are shit for those who have high performance and functionality standards. It's stupid to ignore the reality of the situation just because it's not ideal and I'm not going to sugar-coat the current situation.

As for NVIDIA hardware, it's still got the best support in Linux when you want power. At work we use CUDA because OpenCL still isn't good enough (like Nouveau it's "ok", but we demand the best possible performance and capability - fuck if it's open source or not, in my business results are the most important). It's not ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world and one needs to remember that we're not out to change it.

I Moved Your Cheese (3)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#45044101)

we don't live in an ideal world

Agreed so far. But understanding how each deviation from the ideal came about can prove useful in improving the lot of each of us.

and one needs to remember that we're not out to change it.

You need to read I Moved Your Cheese by Deepak Malhotra, an unofficial sequel to a widely read business fable. You can take change lying down, or you can become an instrument of change.

Re:nouveau (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043421)

Yeah. But on the metrics of control, freedom, and privacy, it is Windows users who are the second-class citizens (OS X users would be third-class I guess).

Re:nouveau (1)

razman47 (3358879) | about 7 months ago | (#45043819)

Heh, whatever. Most people use Windows because of its ubiquitousness and hence the programs available to run on it. Metrics like freedom are useless if said platform doesn't run what you want. Something I had to come to grips with once I grew up and understood the imperfect nature of the world, something most Linux geeks still don't fucking appreciate.

Re:nouveau (1)

Bert64 (520050) | about 7 months ago | (#45044207)

I would hardly say OSX is third-class... OSX is far more open than windows, key parts of the system are open source and most parts of the system do a good job of supporting open standards (eg the calendar app supports caldav, whereas outlook is tied to exchange via proprietary protocols)...

IOS and OSX are entirely different products.

But improvements are on the way (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about 7 months ago | (#45044139)

Yes, it's not as good as it should be. Fortunately, NVidia has opened up a lot more specs so the last missing bits for may features and "irky bugs" in Nouveau can finally be dealt with. It's still not enough to build a fully featured just-as-fast driver, but in the last few months, significant changes were made in how NVidia treats the open source community and so far, Nouveau driver developers have been happy with what they got. It's not finished, but at least it's getting in the right direction.

not the first time they remove features. (4, Interesting)

DragonTHC (208439) | about 7 months ago | (#45043201)

They removed basic customizable anaglyph support from both after I detailed how you could hack 3D support into Left 4 Dead and other games.

And I'm still an Nvidia fanboy.

Re:not the first time they remove features. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043231)

Yeah, being a fan of an electronics company is so beneficial, especially one that don't give a crap (all of them).

Re:not the first time they remove features. (4, Informative)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 7 months ago | (#45043247)

I used that feature on a Geforce 2MX to try it out, a good while ago. No idea what you mean by "hacking" 3D support, you only had to press a hotkey to enable Stereo 3D in any game or app (with or without great results, but at least it's working or trying to). Five year laters I tried shutter glasses on Geforce 6/7 (too bad FSAA wasn't working, as I had to run at 640x480 or 800x600 on the old CRT to play with stereo).

Anaglyph was really shit though, it fucks your color vision (after using it for a hour your eyes or brain compensate, if you look away from the screen and close one eye, one eye sees in red and the other in blue! to this day my right eye seems to see in a warm tint and the left eye in a cold one)

Re:not the first time they remove features. (1)

Fieryphoenix (1161565) | about 7 months ago | (#45043293)

That's normal. I remember as a child (long before I ever encountered anaglyph glasses of any kind) amusing myself by switching from one eye closed to the other, which would slightly change the tint of what I saw.

Re:not the first time they remove features. (1)

Talderas (1212466) | about 7 months ago | (#45043717)

Thank god. It was bothering me that I was seeing this and yet when I described it to others no one knew what they hell I was talking about.

Re:not the first time they remove features. (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 7 months ago | (#45043319)

Anaglyph was really shit though, it fucks your color vision (after using it for a hour your eyes or brain compensate, if you look away from the screen and close one eye, one eye sees in red and the other in blue! to this day my right eye seems to see in a warm tint and the left eye in a cold one)

That's not the Anaglyph driver, that's physics and biology and is an artifact of the red-blue method of "3d". You'll get the same effect watching an old 3d movie from the '50s with the red-blue (more like bluegreen than blue) 3d glasses.

Stare at a flag in bright light for two minutes, then look at a white wall. You'll see the flag in reversed colors; it's the same effect.

Although I would think that with shuttered glasses they wouldn't alter the color, but simply switch eyes as the frames change. Perhaps they're using color perspective to enhance the 3d illusion; warm colors tend to look like they're closer than cool colors. If you combine color perspective with lighting perspective you can fool the eyes completely; take a black surface with a large bright red square and a smaller, dimmer blue square and the red square will appear to hover above the surface while the blue will appear to sink behind it.

This is of course conjecture, as I haven't tried these glasses.

Re:not the first time they remove features. (1, Funny)

mysidia (191772) | about 7 months ago | (#45043523)

to this day my right eye seems to see in a warm tint and the left eye in a cold one)

This sounds like a multi-million$ lawsuit.

Re:not the first time they remove features. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043443)

> And I'm still an Nvidia fanboy.

I stopped being that when they started selling surveillance platforms and became part of the military industrial complex.

garbage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043203)

Typical shortsighted behavior. I don't think companies actually understand the definition of demand.

They still dont get it (4, Interesting)

lapm (750202) | about 7 months ago | (#45043253)

Nvidia still dosent get it.. Reminds me of now famous Torvalds quote from video where he send hes regards to Nvidia..

Re:They still dont get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043491)

Oh, you mean this quote - "..l.." :-)

Re:They still dont get it (0, Flamebait)

jo_ham (604554) | about 7 months ago | (#45043525)

Nvidia still dosent get it.. Reminds me of now famous Torvalds quote from video where he send hes regards to Nvidia..

What doesn't it get that the quote from Linus reminds you of? That Linux developers are unprofessional? I think it gets that very well.

Re:They still dont get it (2)

imnotanumber (1712006) | about 7 months ago | (#45043689)

Nvidia still dosent get it.. Reminds me of now famous Torvalds quote from video where he send hes regards to Nvidia..

What doesn't it get that the quote from Linus reminds you of? That Linux developers are unprofessional? I think it gets that very well.

Nvidia still doesn't get that removing a feature, from the linux driver, to level it with the one for an inferior product is a big "f_ck you" to their linux costumers.

If that is being professional I think that calling " Linux developers are unprofessional" is praising them.

Re:They still dont get it (1)

jo_ham (604554) | about 7 months ago | (#45043831)

Nvidia still dosent get it.. Reminds me of now famous Torvalds quote from video where he send hes regards to Nvidia..

What doesn't it get that the quote from Linus reminds you of? That Linux developers are unprofessional? I think it gets that very well.

Nvidia still doesn't get that removing a feature, from the linux driver, to level it with the one for an inferior product is a big "f_ck you" to their linux costumers.

If that is being professional I think that calling " Linux developers are unprofessional" is praising them.

Well, they're certainly being encouraged to work with Linux by being told "fuck you" by its most important developer. I can see why they didn't sweat it by reducing a feature in the Linux driver to spare Microsoft's blushes. I expect they've never been told to fuck off by Microsoft.

Re:They still dont get it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043535)

Nvidia still dosent get it.. Reminds me of now famous Torvalds quote from video where he send hes regards to Nvidia..

How does this sort of post get +5 insightful? What does Nvidia not get? Why? How does it relate to the article? What examples or citations do you have? What famous Torvalds quote? I haven't heard of it!

If you can provide more content that provides insight into your assertions or the article, maybe then you deserve +5 insightful. As of right now, this is a content-less one liner.

You Open Source Idiots! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043267)

I can't stop laughing - you're complaining about closed source drivers which you dumb fuck open source zealots shouldn't even be using in the first place!

Re:You Open Source Idiots! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043603)

That's because the closed source drivers work better on many things- well until recently, that is...

AMD support's beginning to look like it's in the right place to make a cut-over to them- NVida's not got a clue for certain. They used to be more open than the rest with full documentation on how to write drivers for the NV1 being publicly downloadable. Oh, well, there might be a sea change coming shortly and it won't be pretty for most of the players in the mobile space and possibly for anyone else (Meaning NVidia...) in the desktop space.

A new law (4, Interesting)

mattr (78516) | about 7 months ago | (#45043427)

For any people with free time, how about starting a PAC to get a new law passed that would require hardware manufacturers to provide full specifications of their products to consumers in a standardized format? It could be used not only for open source developers (rights of the consumer to use purchased gear as he or she sees fit) but also could be used to guarantee and verify all provided functions and that there aren't any additional spyware functions included. Conceivably it could be used in a software / firmware binary verification program too.

Re:A new law (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 7 months ago | (#45043699)

You mean like a food labeling law? Lots of luck... I say, fuck 'em, and those that can should fully reverse engineer the hardware and spread the development around anonymously. We should take our rights, not beg for them.

Re:A new law (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45044239)

Well, forcing this kind of legislation and enforcing it is a way to take your rights, and you don't have to beg for laws, you can force them to happen. It doesn't dismiss the need for reverse engineering things to verify that the law isn't being circumvented.
Civil disobedience is needed, but making good laws isn't a bad thing.

Re:A new law (2)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 7 months ago | (#45043955)

we don't follow our existing laws - and you want to create new ones?

there is a law against NSA spying on citizens but they do it anyway.

besides, you can't get the gov to sign any laws that tie their hands on spying. and spyware, whether corporate or governmental is not going to be outlawed. that would interfere with, well, business and government! at least the current bad behavior of those two.

the time when government stood up for consumers' rights was 20 or more years ago. the last few decades, well, not so much. don't expect any help from those in power and don't expect anyone with morals to be able to -get- into power, to change things.

Harrison Bergeron (1)

Macchendra (2919537) | about 7 months ago | (#45043463)

Harrison Bergeron should be the name of this new chip version. Can they introduce periodic crashes, too?

My AMD cards work fine. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043493)

Just throwing it out there.

I've watched nvidia screw over linux users and treat them like second class citizens one too many times, only to have AMD step up and offer support and features nvidia said they had 'no plans to offer' which are then countered by nvidia in order to compete with AMD.

I know there was a period of time where ATI had a buggy product, but from my pov concerning my 3 nvidia cards, those days are gone, everything works fine for me.

Stop the madness, dump nvidia, buy AMD, problem solved. Fuck you nvidia.

Re:My AMD cards work fine. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043509)

damnit ...

"but from my pov concerning my 3 AMD cards"

Another reason to dump nvidia ... they brainwash people. ;)

Re:My AMD cards work fine. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043617)

That's also from my POV fwiw, Next card is liable to be AMD. Can't say that I am going to get that as an option (yet) on my next laptop (the viable Linux laptop vendors are using NVidia parts...sigh...) but the next desktop purchase WILL be AMD. So, depending on what gets purchased first...

Games (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043555)

Hopefully some day all of you will grow up and get away from all your baby games, so that you no longer have these horrible display problems.

Does this also (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043879)

mean they are adding blue screens to simulate driver crashes. You know for feature parity between Windows and Linux.

Anti-freedom posts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45043907)

... basically amount to:

1) closed is better because app A beats free-app B out of the water (never mind why... in this case, because nVidia makes the hardware!) and

2) when non-radical free-software users happen to use some closed source piece: hahaha, we owned you, fools... now you're using closed, you're in our hands!

For them, F/OSS users are losers whether they are against or accept closed source.

Do these guys have brains or what?

Not Thinking (2)

bobwalt (2500092) | about 7 months ago | (#45044031)

Come people think! Why would they do that? I'll bet you anything that it makes development easier not do have a special feature just for the Linux market tested only on Linux. Companies do not spend any more than is necessary especially if the feature in question is not driving sales.

There is a Fix for This (4, Interesting)

stoicio (710327) | about 7 months ago | (#45044159)

1.) Go to the Nvidia site and search for 'Linux' and then surf all the linux related
pages on thier site.

2.) Send an email to technical support and ask why you can no longer use all the monitors on your desktop.

3.) Buy an AMD/ATI card , send them an email to let them know why. Let AMD know you are using Linux and why.

4.) Send your old Nvidia card to Nvidia head office for RMA in protest by mail. (Write it off)

Better fix (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45044297)

Post the matter to EU Trade Comission offices in Brussels and complain Microsoft is flexing it's market power to prevent competition and let hardware manufacturers choose freely which features it can and wishes to support on each operating system.

They sure are interested this kind of matters and if that really is the case they will have means to make it so expensive to Microsoft that they will be happy to comply.

PLP configurations too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45044167)

Let me know when they put in the ability to configure a PLP set of screens in the linux driver, then rip it out because Windows users aren't allowed such a mind bogglingly challenging display configuration. I mean, having to transpose the pixels in a framebuffer before outputting it? IMPOSSIBLE.

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