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Microsoft Exec Says Xbox One Kinect Is Not Built For Advertising

timothy posted 1 year,24 days | from the more-to-come-next-time-around dept.

XBox (Games) 75

MojoKid writes "Among the various SNAFUs and PR misfires related to the Xbox One release earlier this year, one item that had people upset was that Kinect would be used for advertising--or worse, that the Xbox One Kinect was actually designed with advertising in mind. The source was a UI designer who was expounding the capabilities of the Kinect and how it could be used to deliver interactive ads and used for native advertising. However, Microsoft Director of Product Planning Albert Penello threw cold water on much of it. 'First--nobody is working on that,' he said. 'We have a lot more interesting and pressing things to dedicate time towards.' He also stated that if Microsoft were to engage in something along those lines, users would definitely have control over it, meaning that Kinect would not be spying on you; you would have to engage with Kinect for anything to happen."

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We can trust them (5, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | 1 year,24 days | (#45046935)

They would never lie to us.

Re:We can trust them (4, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047115)

They would never lie to us.

Yeah... about that... while I can't find the text of that leaked XBox memo because Microsoft has been busy suing and scrubbing it off google search results, it's pretty clear that their definition of not lying is basically telling half-truths, white lies, and spin control. Like, for example, "Xbox One Kinect Is Not Built For Advertising" ... well in the strict MicrosoftieSpeak(tm) sense, that's correct; it was built for entertainment. The fact that it's loaded down with a fuckton of advertising is just, you know, an extra 'feature'.

Re:We can trust them (1)

LordWabbit2 (2440804) | 1 year,23 days | (#45056337)

While I agree with you about the half truth's, keep in mind that Sony also has a dodgy past as far as promises made and broken, along with root kits etc.
That being said if the advert is more entertaining to play than Gears of war than I say WTF, let's play. (Especially if it's longer than Gears of war was).

Re:We can trust them (4, Informative)

newcastlejon (1483695) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047117)

I'd be more inclined to trust him if ads didn't already occupy more than half of what I see when I turn on my 360. I'd also be less inclined to call him rude names if one of said ads wasn't a short loop video pushing some crap on Discovery Channel that I'm never going to watch.

Re:We can trust them (1)

symbolset (646467) | 1 year,24 days | (#45048569)

Does it look like this? [wordpress.com]

Re:We can trust them (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047141)

I'm not sure which is the bigger fib:
- the Xbox One Kinect was not designed with advertising in mind.
- the Xbox One Kinect will not be used for advertising.

Re:We can trust them (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047239)

Notice how he said they were not working on it /now/, but that if (when) it happens you will have control over it. Control meaning you can turn it off by unplugging it, not that you can disable the ads or spying when it's in use.

Re:We can trust them (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047241)

Yeah, as opposed to Android that is built for advertising.
 
Opps! Did I say that out loud? Sorry to burn your ass, Fandroids.

Re: We can trust them (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45048109)

Oh, exactly where was the deception on the part of android? Oh, that's right, they told you there would be ads now didn't they. Unlike Microsoft who will just never admit it.

Re:We can trust them (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45048725)

1) How the fuck did Android get brought up in a thread about game consoles?
2) I've never seen an ad in Android outside of the browser or ad-supported applications. Compare this to the XBox where MS spams your dashboard with them.

Re:We can trust them (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047297)

Just like the Linux zealots. They would never lie to us while engaging in Linux advocacy. Everything bad thing they say about Microsoft must be true. Everything good they say about Linux must also be true.

Re:We can trust them (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45048217)

Just like the Linux zealots. They would never lie to us while engaging in Linux advocacy. Everything bad thing they say about Microsoft must be true. Everything good they say about Linux must also be true.

I've never personally seen a Linux advocate with a financial motivation for lying to me. Have you?

Re:We can trust them (1)

Kalriath (849904) | 1 year,23 days | (#45056695)

No, it's worse. They have a religious motivation.

Re:We can trust them (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047563)

They would never lie to us.

And, even if everything they said were true, it would be a carefully worded denial that anything of that nature is currently in the works, not a statement about what may or may not be the case later in the console's life. (Just look at how the 360's dashboard changed over time as MS realized that there was valuable ad revenue to be had there...)

Re:We can trust them (1)

stms (1132653) | 1 year,24 days | (#45048235)

Most likely they're not lying. It's not built for advertising. The fact that they will be able to use it for advertising is just incidental. Personally I will not buy a Kinect. If they want to try to sell me a Xbone without a Kinect there may be a chance of me buying it shortly before hell freezes over.

Re: We can trust them (1)

Mabhatter (126906) | 1 year,24 days | (#45048999)

They didn't mention advertising at all in the first WEEK after they announced it. Microsoft marketing guys haven't mentioned that it can read two sets of lips at a time so that it can target ads based on who's in the room... Nobody at all has thought about this.

Like how the system won't operate with kinect unplugged.... Where are we getting these crazy ideas?

This guy isn't an authority on the topic (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | 1 year,24 days | (#45049147)

Albert Penello is also quoted as saying this on the topic:

It was an interview done speculatively, and I'm not aware of any active work in this space.

So I wouldn't exactly take his limited view as a yardstick by which to measure how much data they are collecting and for what purposes.

Re:We can trust them (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45053035)

They would never lie to us.

true

Re:We can trust them (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45064807)

They would never lie to us.

Let me back you up with three (3) citations;

1) Kinect: You Are the Controlled (June 10, 2012 @03:14PM) [slashdot.org]
    Discusses patent #20120143693 [google.com]

1. A computer-implemented method to determine emotional states of users that receive advertisements on client devices, the method comprising:
monitoring a user's online activity during a time period; processing the online activity to identify a tone associated with content that the user interacted with during the time period; receiving an indication of the user's reaction to the content; and assigning an emotional state to the user based on the tone of the content and the indication of the user's reaction to the content.

...

4. The computer-implemented method of claim 1, wherein the indication of the user's reaction is identified from facial expressions of the user captured by an image capture device during the time period.
5. The computer-implemented method of claim 1, wherein the indication of the user's reaction is identified from user speech patterns captured by an audio capture device during the time period.
6. The computer-implemented method of claim 1, wherein the indication of the user's reaction is identified from gestures and body movements of the user captured by an image capture device during the time period.

2) Hacked iRobot Uses XBox Kinect To See World (November 18, 2010 @02:59AM) [slashdot.org]
Discusses Dennis Durkin [cio.com]

Dennis Durkin, who is both COO and CFO for Microsoft's Xbox group, told investors this week that Kinect can also be used by advertisers to see how many people are in a room when an ad is on screen, and to custom-tailor content based on the people it recognizes.

3) Microsoft Integrating Xbox One Advertising With Kinect To Profile Users For Ads (July 05, 2013 @10:01PM ) [slashdot.org]
Discusses the next generation of the Xbox [hothardware.com]

According to Xbox staff, the new console is exciting because "the 360 console wasn't built with advertising in mind, it was more of an afterthought... whereas this new one is going to have advertising in mind."

You better watch out. (4, Funny)

Animats (122034) | 1 year,24 days | (#45046961)

It sees you when you're sleeping.
It knows when you're awake.
It knows if you've been bad or good.

Re:You better watch out. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047061)

So let me dip my fetid cock into your rancid asshole, for fuck's sake!

Re:You better watch out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047149)

So buy another game for Ballmer's sake.

Re:You better watch out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45049517)

And you better not cry, because SantaClause82 is logging on.

We have a lot more interesting and pressing things (2)

fox171171 (1425329) | 1 year,24 days | (#45046973)

Microsoft Exec Says Xbox One Kinect Is Not Built For Advertising

Three letters. NSA.

Re:We have a lot more interesting and pressing thi (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047429)

Not
Strictly
Accurate

"Can be used for" "Built for" (1)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | 1 year,24 days | (#45048281)

Microsoft Exec Says Xbox One Kinect Is Not Built For Advertising

Three letters. NSA.

Hear hear!

"Can be used for" is a MUCH larger set than "Was built for".

But TFA gets sillier:

'..nobody is working on that,' he said. 'We have a lot more interesting and pressing things to dedicate time towards.'

NOBODY at Microsoft has time to work on building a platform that would suck in hundreds of millions, when they already have the underlying technology working?

if Microsoft were to engage in something along those lines, users would definitely have control over it,

Like they have control over ANYTHING ELSE Microsoft builds? Now "This guy might just be naive." has been shouldered out by "He's lying through his teeth.", "Does he REALLY think we'll believe THAT - or anything ELSE he says now that he's said that?" and ROFL.

MS will lose this gen unless price drops $200 (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45046985)

Sony haven't put their foot up their bum-hole yet, whereas Microsoft have tried inserting the entire MLS roster up their poopy. Many Xbox fans are jumping ship with pre-orders. Nintendo massively underestimated gamers with the dreadful Wii U. Unless the steam-boxen are dirt cheap, Sony have going to wipe the floor this time simply because everyone has lost the plot.

Re: MS will lose this gen unless price drops $200 (1)

Therad (2493316) | 1 year,24 days | (#45049423)

Steamboxes will be cheaper than the other consoles. The hardware will be more expensive. But if you count things like paying for online, mods, backwards compatibility and steam sales, they will be cheaper in the long run. Valves problem is that most people rather buy stuff cheap and pay monthly payments.

Re:MS will lose this gen unless price drops $200 (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | 1 year,23 days | (#45059187)

by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 05, 2013 @02:17PM (#45046985)

Sony haven't put their foot up their bum-hole yet, whereas Microsoft have tried inserting the entire MLS roster up their poopy. Many Xbox fans are jumping ship with pre-orders. Nintendo massively underestimated gamers with the dreadful Wii U. Unless the steam-boxen are dirt cheap, Sony have going to wipe the floor this time simply because everyone has lost the plot.

That's the scary part of Sony. Like a politician that lets the opposition kill themselves while remaining silent, what Sony has NOT said is very important. More important than what they do say, because humans have a tendency to believe that if the "other guy" doesn't say something, they much be opposed, when really it's a non-statement.

Who knows what Sony has for DRM policies? We don't know - all we know is we can pass discs around. But that's it. (None of which is mutually incompatible with always online or 24-hour checkins).

Likewise, who knows what Sony's policies are for advertising? Sure, the PS3 had a bit (though I oddly find the always-on ad ticker way more annoying than the Xbox ones...).

The only thing we know is Microsoft has a crappy marketing and communications team that can't spit out a well-formed sentence.

Sony? They're probably doing what smart governments do - muzzle anyone who talks to the public unless it's something really important and only then on-message.

Steamboxes will be cheaper than the other consoles. The hardware will be more expensive. But if you count things like paying for online, mods, backwards compatibility and steam sales, they will be cheaper in the long run.

Valves problem is that most people rather buy stuff cheap and pay monthly payments.

Unfortunately, though, they're being matched.

Online gaming? Well I'll give you that. Maybe - it's only a matter of time before publishers see potential in it. Mods just the same.

Games on PC are starting to cost the same as their console cousins ($60), and DLC and other stuff are also costing money. Steam sales? Well, Sony and Microsoft run some fairly big sales as well.

Games on SteamOS won't be much cheaper - everyone will find a way to milk the users just the same

Then what are the patents for? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45046993)

http://www.google.com/patents/US20130125161 [google.com]

A "reward system" which makes use of "all linear video content viewing behaviors of the user." Sure gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling inside, especially with Microsoft PR goons coming out with press releases like this.

"We're totally not doing that. Even if we were doing that, and we're totally not, the user (because we don't think of you as people any more) will have control. They can either play their XBone or they can turn it off and avoid being an eyepiece for a fascist government, now that's privacy control!"

Re:Then what are the patents for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047237)

Hey, maybe its like an achievement system where you get REWARDED for watching crappy content, yay! Watching a shitty movie is never worthless anymore. You will get badges etc.. and stuff! And maybe you get rewarded for watching the same shit over and over.. that must be worth of something, right?

Can you say _NSA_KEY ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047017)

This is exactly what he would say if he received a National Security Letter or other FISA nastiness.

original post (4, Informative)

Gravis Zero (934156) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047023)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=84471421&postcount=1590 [neogaf.com]

Albert Penello, MS Director of Product Planning wrote:

Albert, I'd definitely like to hear more about NUad as well.

Well I think there's two things you're asking. NuAds by definition is simply interactive advertising done on the platform. Using the functions of the console and Kinect to interact vs. just watching a spot. There's nothing particularly interesting happening here unless you're in the advertising business, and we've done a few on Xbox 360 today.

What I think you're asking about is an interview done earlier in the year where someone was talking about how some of the new Xbox One Kinect features *could* be used in advertising - since we can see expressions, engagement, etc. and how that might be used to target advertising. This is the point that seems to draw some controversy.

First - nobody is working on that. We have a lot more interesting and pressing things to dedicate time towards. It was an interview done speculatively, and I'm not aware of any active work in this space.

Second - if something like that ever happened, you can be sure it wouldn't happen without the user having control over it. Period.

Two examples of how we deal with similar things today:

First, Kinect can recognize your face and log you in automatically. There could be some cool features we could enable if we stored that data in the cloud, like being able to be auto-recognized at a friend's. I get asked for that feature a lot. But, for privacy reasons, your facial data doesn't leave the console.

Second: You'll see us do some things around Skype that freezes the video when Skype is not in focus (meaning, it's not the primary app). If you go back to the home screen, or launch another app, we actually stop the video stream. We do this so the user can't even ACCIDENTALLY have the video stream going on in the background.

I'll say this - we take a lot of heat around stuff we've done and I can roll with it. Some of it is deserved. But preventing Kinect from being used inappropriately is something the team takes very seriously.

Hope that helps.

that was his emphasis, not mine.

so basically, everything he's saying could be wrong.

Re:original post (4, Insightful)

Luckyo (1726890) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047217)

"Inappropriate use" - anything we do not want user to do with it.
"Appropriate use" - anything we want user to do with it, or do to user.

Frankly, if what he's saying is true, he'd be fired the same day after giving this interview. MS is trying very hard to enter VoD/living room market, and that market largely functions based on efficient advertising. If they weren't exploring usage of extremely complex sensor system that identifies monitors people and their movements in the room as well as the room itself as to help make advertising much more efficient, they would be utterly stupid. It's the extremely obvious low hanging fruit.

Re:original post (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047329)

> First - nobody is working on that. We have a lot more interesting and pressing things to dedicate time towards. It was an interview done speculatively, and I'm not aware of any active work in this space.

IOW, Work is already completed.

> Second - if something like that ever happened, you can be sure it wouldn't happen without the user having control over it. Period.

The user always has control, they can power off the device at will by physically unplugging it.

> But, for privacy reasons, your facial data doesn't leave the console.

But it's hash data may whenever we please. We may also do that to whoever is around.

> First, Kinect can recognize your face and log you in automatically.

IOW, getting near the kinect is "engaging" with it.

> We do this so the user can't even ACCIDENTALLY have the video stream going on in the background.

The system on the other hand can do as it pleases.

> preventing Kinect from being used inappropriately is something the team takes very seriously.

So only what we allow is appropriate. Disregard previous suggestions that it is the user who controls the device.

> Hope that helps.

We're sorry. We can't say more because of the NSA, the Security Letters, National Security, and any further revelation would put us in jail for treason or whatever. No, wait, we're not sorry. Keep giving us your money.

Re:original post (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45049225)

Two examples of how we deal with similar things today:

First, Kinect can recognize your face and log you in automatically. There could be some cool features we could enable if we stored that data in the cloud, like being able to be auto-recognized at a friend's. I get asked for that feature a lot. But, for privacy reasons, your facial data doesn't leave the console.

Translation: People have never asked for that feature except to ensure they don't have to suffer it, but its our perogative to turn the sentiment around and make it sound like people want us to abuse them, and we're just being honorable and not doing it. Also, it's on the table for six months after launch.

Re:original post (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45049333)

This post is THE most relevant one in the thread. Should be modded up.

Small print (1)

Martz (861209) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047025)

"... you would have to engage with Kinect for anything to happen"

So it wouldn't be another condition buried in the hundreds of pages of EULA that the average person has no chance of understanding?

Re:Small print (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047591)

"... you would have to engage with Kinect for anything to happen"

So it wouldn't be another condition buried in the hundreds of pages of EULA that the average person has no chance of understanding?

Given that the Kinect is a high-precision video, audio, and depth-of-field sensor, with real-time position and gesture identification for human targets, is there anything short of sneaking up behind it in a ghillie suit that doesn't qualify as 'engaging with Kinect'?

Re:Small print (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047995)

The NSA needs no EULAs.

Why are we even talking about advertising (1)

Threni (635302) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047027)

If a product is subsidized, like a free paper, or radio/television, ok.

If I'm paying £££ ($$$ if you're in the states!) then I'm not interested in a single line of text hawking some cheesy shit I'm never going to buy.

Re:Why are we even talking about advertising (1)

newcastlejon (1483695) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047153)

This is pretty much why we told Sky to go fuck themselves.

Re:Why are we even talking about advertising (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047175)

If I'm paying £££ ($$$ if you're in the states!) then I'm not interested in a single line of text hawking some cheesy shit I'm never going to buy.

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Re:Why are we even talking about advertising (1)

newcastlejon (1483695) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047197)

I don't remember having any trouble with £ before.

Re:Why are we even talking about advertising (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047189)

Well, I heard that all the time from people advocating paywalls. That if we all pay for a service, we won't have advertisements.

The truth is, if a service has advertisements through it's free version and none in its paid version, if we ALL start paying for the service, they will change their ToS and start serving advertisements anyway, because we are all already hooked with the service and a company is there to make more money, so they will try to do it.

True- Gates partnered the NSA for spying (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047101)

The latest videos of Kinect 2 in action or truly terrifying, and Microsoft makes no attempt to hide the intention to bring NSA spying into the very home of every American.

Kinect 2 boasts a military-class 'time of flight' depth camera, and Human motion tracking facilities beyond belief. Microsoft actually states that the intention is PERSON RECOGNITION with the entire image quality pipeline built to enable perfect facial recognition (achieved using remote NSA cloud processing after Microsoft streams daily records of facial photographs from each console to the NSA servers).

EVERY Xbox One, and I mean EVERY console, records the times each person enters and leaves the room, and shoots high-resolution photographs of each person's face. These details are uploaded AT LEAST once a day if the console is connected to the Internet (and market research shows at least 95%+ will be). Not even AAA gaming maxing out the console can inhibit the NSA spy functions. Microsoft has built unique video capture, compression and encryption hardware for the Kinect that is independent from the hardware available for games.

Every online console can IMMEDIATELY stream Kinect video to the NSA if requested - the NSA has a list of every console currently online. The Xbox One microphone array can even hear conversations in adjoining rooms in many homes.

More sophisticated NSA spying programs can be uploaded to ANY online console at any time. Obviously such activity would usually target individuals, or groups of individuals (like every assumed Muslim owner of the console, or perhaps members of some political group). The NSA has the home address of each console (obviously) and a list of people that live in or visit that home/location. It is a single command to tell the servers to contact every online console owned by members of a particular group, and have those consoles begin running custom NSA code controlling the Kinect sensor system.

EVERY online Xbox One is constantly uploading encrypted data to the cloud, denying the ability for people to know exactly what forms of information are being gathered or relayed. The constant uploading is described by Microsoft as "harmless quality control" information of unspecified form. It is simply the 'plausible deniability' cover story to allow their shills to proclaim the Xbone "safe".

If you never use the Xbone with a connected Kinect, or NEVER go online, then the Xbone is simply a vastly inferior PS4 like console. However, if you buy the Xbox One, Gates is FAR, FAR smarter than you, and KNOWS you will use Kinect, and you WILL go online. Maybe not in the first week or so, but very soon.

Buying the Xbox One is an action affirming that Bill Gates is correct, and that you are a moronic entity of no more importance than any other piece of livestock. Gates travels the world telling those Humans he deems to be 'valuable' that masters must not only be rich and powerful, but must actively prove their superiority by seeking to have maximum influence and control over the sheeple. Bill Gates contributes to the same Eugenics Foundations that gave Hitler and the Nazis their racist policies in the 1920s and 1930s. Learn a little about your own American History, for god's sake. Gates doesn't hide what he is. American Eugenicists hold the same beliefs today as when they were demanding the mass sterilization of 'undesirables' 100+ years ago.

The sickos that work at the NSA have been repeatedly reported for using NSA spy networks to engage in massive acts of voyeurism- against strangers, their own families/partners, and oversee US military personnel of all ranks when they make contact with loved ones at home. Bill Gates puts NSA cameras into your children's bedrooms- he ensures the Xbox Console can easily identify when sexual activity (or nudity) is happening in the same room, and light up an alert on a cloud server.

The 'upside' (hahahahahahaha) that Bill Gates gambles will defeat the good sense of the nerdy sheeple is that the Kinect 2 is worth more than TEN TIMES what you are effectively paying for the sensor block. The 'time of flight' camera alone is insanely valuable, and the result of Gates ordering the purchase of at least THREE 3D-camera companies, and billions of dollars of investment by Microsoft and the NSA.

"Little boy, little girl, I've got some yummy candy for you, if only you will get into my car". Please tell Gates you are smart enough not to become one of his victims.

Re:True- Gates partnered the NSA for spying (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047199)

A year ago I'd say that you were one shit house rat crazy bastard and that your caregivers should probably experiment with doubling your meds (and go up from there).

Now I can only say that I hope you are half as crazy as the rest of us were last year thinking the NSA wasn't tracking and recording everything everyone does everyday of their lives.

Re:True- Gates partnered the NSA for spying (1)

newcastlejon (1483695) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047375)

Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.

Re:True- Gates partnered the NSA for spying (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047603)

The stuff about the british royal family being reptoids and HAARP being a mind control system is still nuts; but the NSA has really been pretty aggressive in stealing what used to be delusions from the world's paranoid schizophrenics and putting them into operation (and really shit powerpoint slide decks).

Re:True- Gates partnered the NSA for spying (1)

NoZart (961808) | 1 year,24 days | (#45049877)

i am thinking "we'll see".
i am very paranoid about the kinect 2, and will not use one until it's hacked - then we will find out. The hackers will be all over this box and will eventually find out everything about it.

I dearly hope it's something major, because that would damage microsoft. Then the government will have a taste of the free market mafia and that's where all the political influence comes from today anyway. *tinfoil hat off :)

Albert Penello is liar (0)

Hans Lehmann (571625) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047105)

That's what he's paid to do, so that's what he does.

Read the patent... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45048605)

" 'First--nobody is working on that,'"

Well nobody other than Microsoft:
http://www.google.com/patents/US20130125161

He can deny it, but saying nobody is working on it, even as they're patenting that feature is a bit ludicrous.

Why would you allow a Kinect spybox into your house from a company cooperating with the NSA on Skype spyware? It's a remote camera, no different than the OnStar spy in your car that the FBI turns on when it wants to, or the CarrierIQ spy in your phone, that I have no doubt the NSA turns on when it wants data.

This must be a new meme! (3, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047133)

Let's get in on the act:
Apple: It just works.
Google does not give data to the NSA.
Linux device drivers are easy for normal end users to find, compile and install.

Ha! This is fun.

Re:This must be a new meme! (1)

fisted (2295862) | 1 year,24 days | (#45048473)

Linux device drivers are easy for normal end users to find, compile and install.

Trivial, I'd say, because they are part of Linux.

Re:This must be a new meme! (1)

Kalriath (849904) | 1 year,23 days | (#45056701)

Unless it's graphics. Or Lexmark printers.

Then fuck you is what they are.

Re:This must be a new meme! (1)

fisted (2295862) | 1 year,23 days | (#45057303)

Right, most the printer drivers come with CUPS. Wrong, most graphics drivers come with Linux. If you're into proprietary drivers, it isn't too hard to find them on nvidia's or AMD's website.

You bet ya. (1)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047271)

Just read the headline of the summery, was enough, I've come to know BS when and it's presentation.

Self-congratulatory (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047277)

As the marketing info for the next-gen consoles starts to hit, I am very pleased with my decision never to have bought any console.

While there are some console games that I regret having missed, being a PC gamer, they can easily be counted on one hand.

I'm currently hoping that Steam announces Half-Life 3 as a SteamOS exclusive, even if just for 6 months, which will finally take Microsoft out of PC gaming.

I think that it would continue the current PC gaming renaissance for a good long time.

Re:Self-congratulatory (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45048017)

Half-Life 3 as a SteamOS exclusive would not just be the end of Microsoft in PC gaming, but of PC gaming in general.

Steam is the leading content delivery platform for PC gaming and Valve is widely considered as the most PC-focused of all major game publishers. The majority of their fans and supporters (and customers) are PC gamers.
If they decide to make the next title in their flagship series a SteamOS exclusive, even just for limited time, that would set a clear signal that they are giving up on the PC gaming market and focusing exclusively on their console (the next generation of SteamOS - or even this generation, when it is released in its final version - will then be heavily locked down and not as easy to install on a PC).

Re:Self-congratulatory (3, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | 1 year,24 days | (#45048405)

Half-Life 3 as a SteamOS exclusive would not just be the end of Microsoft in PC gaming, but of PC gaming in general.

Nonsense. You'd have PC gamers all over the world partitioning their hard drives to put SteamOS on it (or running it in virtualization?).

And if it was just for six months, it wouldn't make any difference at all. I mean, GTA V is a console exclusive for six months and it's not signaling the end of console gaming.

I don't think you quite understand what SteamOS is. It's not a console. It's not a box. Even the "Steam Box" they're making is just off-the-shelf components, built just like games build their machines. If you can dual-boot Linux and Windows, then you can easily dual-boot SteamOS and Windows.

If you think that's a step to far for gamers, you must not know a lot of PC gamers and the extents to which we will go to play our games as they were meant to be played.

Further, Half-Life 3 has nearly endless consumer capital built up. People have waited a decade. Waiting six months to get it on a console wouldn't hurt sales one tiny bit.

the next generation of SteamOS - or even this generation, when it is released in its final version - will then be heavily locked down and not as easy to install on a PC

Where are you getting that? You haven't read a lot about SteamOS have you? Say...do you work for Microsoft?

Assuming you don't work for Microsoft, I would go over the Rock, Paper, Shotgun and read the past few weeks' worth of stories about SteamOS. Did you know that not only are the Steam Boxes going to be built from off-the-shelf components, but they're even making the CAD files from their Steam Box case openly available to anyone who wants to make one of their own. I have seen nothing about any "locked-down" SteamOS that can't be installed on any PC. Not one thing.

Wording (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047309)

He worded himself very carefully there; "...you would have to engage with Kinect for anything to happen."

That could mean anything that the Kinect can register as movement or "activity", in other words: if you walk in front of the device, or move while on the couch watching TV...
It could easily register sounds and subtle movements as "engaging", then record what you watch to show you ads...

Nothing to worry about... (5, Funny)

sigmabody (1099541) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047377)

No worries, the Kinect only needs to be connected and powered on for the system to function, you can "turn it off" (in software), and it won't do "anything" [that you can see]. Moreover, the XBone doesn't need an always-on internet connection, so even if it were watching your every move and listening to you 24/7, it wouldn't be uploading that information until the next time you connected. And even if it were secretly doing that, Microsoft wouldn't be sharing that data with the government unless legally required to. And even if we were sharing the data voluntarily through a well-documented Prism access tunnel, you have nothing to worry about unless you are a terrorist. And you're not a terrorist, are you?

Re:Nothing to worry about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45049635)

I slipped on some nuts on an inclined plane while reading that.

Re:Nothing to worry about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45066185)

I'm not a terrorist, but I've got my suspicions about the asshole that just spawn-camped me. Someone should put a camera in his house and keep an eye on what he does.

Of course not (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45047601)

It was built for the NSA.

Not interested, at least not yet. (3, Insightful)

gallondr00nk (868673) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047621)

We have a lot more interesting and pressing things to dedicate time towards.

Sure, for now. Wasn't there also a time when X-Box Live didn't have adverts, or at the very least redesigns of the interface added more?

We'll see, give them a couple of years.

Their point? (1)

hercludes (2935741) | 1 year,24 days | (#45047899)

Consoles and games in general were not made to advertise. The fact that they have to point it out sounds like they're doing something terribly malicious with the console, which is not surprising to say the least.

Already Finished (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45048439)

Nobody is working on it because they've already finished.

Precipitous Collapse of Microsoft (5, Interesting)

lubaciousd (912505) | 1 year,24 days | (#45049155)

The first time I saw a screen-shot of Windows 8, I couldn't help but feel like the tile-oriented format was designed to shoehorn advertisements into the user interface. For a long time Microsoft relied on large-scale OEM business contracts to make money, and now that more price-efficient alternatives are available for office software and operating systems, they're approaching the opposite extreme of monthly subscriptions and integrated advertisement. They built these elements into XBox Live first, correctly assuming that gamers would be willing to put up with it so long as decent titles appeared on MS consoles. Remember when they first announced the original XBox? All of the concerns and criticisms that I had then(too proprietary, not enough 3rd party support, deference to the loyal customer base) have emerged again, but they lack the air-tight PC-gaming community dominance that they possessed circa 2001. For a long time, they had an array of products that was good enough to keep users from leaving; recently, they've made a series of products (Zune, XBox 1, Surface 1/2, Windows 8, Windows Smartphones) that are far enough from what consumers, and more importantly, loyal customers want, that they are approaching a catastrophic lack of interest. As much I would love to relish the downfall of the M$ of yore, I wish they would behave more like a competitor to Apple and start putting out products that just work again; they really had home-runs when it came to Windows XP and Windows 7, and I don't understand why they abandoned what was working so well for them.

As a business they should at least look into it (1)

Salgat (1098063) | 1 year,24 days | (#45050119)

If they aren't even looking into it and doing research on a potentially powerful form of revenue then they are idiots. I know no one wants it but as a business they need to examine profitability and user reception as a factor to be tested.

Do not worry... (2)

Psicopatico (1005433) | 1 year,24 days | (#45050303)

...The marketing division is working hard to fix this bug.

The real reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45050423)

The graphics chip could not support the video in those ads.

Meanwhile... (1)

stealth_finger (1809752) | 1 year,23 days | (#45057319)

...Gun maker says guns are not for murder.

Do we really care about advertising? (1)

Talar (1245824) | 1 year,23 days | (#45057615)

If it was just built for advertising I'm sure Microsoft could make it evil enough in it's own right to make people feel uncomfortable. But if we consider the bigger picture and throw in some NSA interests, then it becomes scary.

So we have a device in the living room that is always on, always connected and can recognize who is in the room. This means you have to assume there will be a record in some NSA database not only of your playing habits, but also of all people who ever sat there in the couch with you.

Add to this the possibility to join data from several sources. Like some friend visiting, no problem, just match his face against what people tagged on Facebook, match against people you emailed or skyped with. Verify with location data from your smartphones and why not run an automated fingerprint check while they are at it and your phone anyway has a fingerprint sensor. Or add in some voice recognition..

Automatically identifying people with high accuracy and keeping a permanent database of who associated with who at what periods of their lives seemed like science fiction just a couple of years ago. So do we live in the future now? Yes we do, unfortunately it's the one described in 1984.

Kinected advertising (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45135041)

There is an entire section (in a patent for kinect technology) on the use of the sensors and cameras to gather information for use in targeting advertising.

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