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No FiOS In Boston? We'll Make an Ad Anyway

timothy posted about 9 months ago | from the unawareness-campaign dept.

Advertising 202

Zott writes "The Boston Globe has a front-page story about Verizon's FiOS that recounts what many of us here in Boston and some surrounding urban areas know already: Verizon won't invest in the physical plant and actually offer the fiber optic Internet and TV service here in the 'hub of the universe.' This hasn't stopped Verizon from launching a new advertising campaign with Donnie Wahlberg (member of New Kids on the Block, actor, and well-known Boston native) standing in Copley Square and the Charlestown neighborhood touting the product. It goes even further, though — according to the Globe's article, '"This is New England, where people tell it straight," says Wahlberg... "No phonies, no fakers, no shortcuts."' Except for the shortcut in the fine print that's presumably in the ad somewhere: 'FiOS not available in all areas.'"

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202 comments

A FiOS (5, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 9 months ago | (#45071813)

A FiOS ad?
That's mighty sad
Like the last razor
Rick Rubin had.
Burma Shave

Re:A FiOS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072339)

i've developed this strange obsession as I grow older. Hair sprouts from places I didn't even know I had, and I pluck them out all the time. Strangely enough, my favourite place to pluck hair from is my nostrils. The pain is exquisite. It's even more enjoyable if I pluck one and it doesn't detach. Then I get to do it all over again. I'm sitting here reading /. and the tears of pain/joy are washing down my face as I pull out one more long dangly hair from my nostril....

Re:A FiOS (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072965)

I thought I was the only one.

Um (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45071893)

I have FIOS. In Boston.

Re:Um (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45071927)

Fuck you, A.C.

Re:Um (4, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 9 months ago | (#45072005)

We have:
-A summary which says there is no FiOS in boston
-An article behind a paywall, the preview to which only says that some very minor celebrity said something about FiOS in boston
-An AC which says he is in Boston and has FiOS.

I'm going to listen to the non-famous Walhberg and the AC and believe there is probably FiOS in boston. As I don't live in Boston, it really doesn't matter. The much bigger issue is paywalls. Lets not submit them anymore or link to them, mkay?

Re:Um (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 9 months ago | (#45072181)

If it's anything like my last employer's Syracuse and Albany offices, FiOS availability is very patchwork... a little here, a little there, always available the next block over but not where you need it.

Re:Um (3, Insightful)

Shoten (260439) | about 9 months ago | (#45072715)

If it's anything like my last employer's Syracuse and Albany offices, FiOS availability is very patchwork... a little here, a little there, always available the next block over but not where you need it.

If it's anything like any broadband solution that's ever existed, availability is "very patchwork" at some point, in most places. I remember when DSL was super-exotic; there were two phone exchanges in all of the metropolitan DC area that had it, and I was fortunate enough to be in one of them.

The way FiOS works, it's partially incumbent upon groups like homeowners and condo associations...or apartment building management...to request that Verizon come in and install the local infrastructure for "last mile" delivery. It's not just a situation of them coming up to one home and plugging you in, otherwise. We recently went through this in the condo development where I live, and it was an involved process...but when you want fiber to your home, guess what? You have to have someone install the fiber, which means asking them to do so. Hence the advertising to build up demand.

Could the ad have been a little more up front about this? Sure. But it's not actually silly that they are doing this.

Re:Um (2)

David_Hart (1184661) | about 9 months ago | (#45072331)

I live near Lowell, MA and every community around Lowell has FIOS except Lowell. Boston is the same. Those that managed to get FIOS in Boston probably were only able to get it because they near another community where it was rolled out.

Verizon started rolling out FIOS in Massachusetts and did deploy it to a number of communities but then just stopped. I read somewhere that supposedly Verizon decided to switch their concentration away from land connections to rolling out better wireless because they see it as the future. Supposedly, and I have no proof of this other than innuendo, Verizon was using the FIOS roll out as a bargaining chip for spectrum space from Comcast. Whether this is true or not, Comcast did agree to sell spectrum space to Verizon.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57500149-94/what-$3.9-billion-verizon-cable-spectrum-deal-means-to-you-faq/ [cnet.com]

Re:Um (1)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | about 9 months ago | (#45072431)

Supposedly, and I have no proof of this other than innuendo, Verizon was using the FIOS roll out as a bargaining chip for spectrum space from Comcast.

I heard the same thing from a Verizon technician.

Re:Um (1)

jacknifetoaswan (2618987) | about 9 months ago | (#45072537)

Whatever their reasoning, it is EXTREMELY sad that Verizon isn't rolling Fios out everywhere. I had it when I lived in south Jersey, and it was incredible. The speeds were great, the content was great, and everything worked, all the time. Now that I'm in South Carolina, my apartment complex forces me into AT&T U-Verse, and it's not bad, but not great. Everywhere else, the only option is Comcast. I'm buying a house next week, and can't get anything other than Comcast. So, it's Comcast internet, and DirecTV for the rest of it.

Re:Um (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072983)

I had it when I lived in south Jersey, and it was incredible.

And here I never thought I would live to see "Jersey" and "incredible" in the same sentence. I knew I just had to wish hard enough, and eventually it would happen.

Re: Um (3, Informative)

OECD (639690) | about 9 months ago | (#45073235)

South Jersey is a different planet from North Jersey.

Re:Um (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about 9 months ago | (#45072543)

...and believe there is probably FiOS in Boston.

"In" and "around" Boston are two different things. Boston proper is a pretty small area - I've walked across Boston (when I visited while working for the NY Times) - but fairly dense. I can easily imagine that many (most?) of the areas surrounding Boston and those parts of Boston directly adjacent have access to FiOS, while most of the city itself does not.

For what my $.02. is worth, one of the reasons I like Boston, as opposed to, say New York or LA, is that it's a big city that seems like a small(ish) town.

Re:Um (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | about 9 months ago | (#45072849)

"Boston" is often referred to by locals to include the entire metro area outside of the city proper. Those outer suburbs have patchy FiOS coverage. The city core doesn't.

An even bigger travesty is how Verizon cherry picked deployment to the outer suburbs of every city in New York State and ignored the Rochester burbs altogether (ranked third by population) since it is HQ of Frontier.

Re:Um (1)

smooth wombat (796938) | about 9 months ago | (#45073271)

ignored the Rochester burbs altogether (ranked third by population) since it is HQ of Frontier.

So much for competition, right?

I have said since the beginning, Verizon and Comcast, and others, are colluding to keep prices high and service slow by not honestly competing with each other. This is exactly what I am referring to.

Re:Um (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072967)

He doesn't live in the city, there is no FIOS within the city limits.

Source: Boston resident for many, many years.

Re:Um (1)

JazzLad (935151) | about 9 months ago | (#45073361)

The much bigger issue is paywalls. Lets not submit them anymore or link to them, mkay?

^ This

Further proof that the Firehose doesn't really work, people click based on (at most) the titles, without actually reading anything. If we can't fix the Firehose, at least /. could have a 'no paywalled stories' policy.

LAME.

Re:Um (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about 9 months ago | (#45072073)

They have it across the street from my house, but my house is on a dead end circuit with only 8 or 10 other homes, so no love here. It's Comcraptic. Just like in TFA, they advertise like crazy - I must get a glossy flyer every week, begging me to call. When I occasionally get my hopes up and call the number on the flyer, they try to sign me up with Direct TV... WTF? While I'm happy that they are subsidizing the Post Office, you would think that they could share some availability information with their marketing department.

Re:Um (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45073005)

You obviously don't live inside the City of Boston, as there is no FIOS in the City of Boston at all. Period.

Advertising in its purest form (1)

techprophet (1281752) | about 9 months ago | (#45071895)

Advertising in its purest form: outright lies

Re:Advertising in its purest form (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45071989)

The Democrats took him out of his own car and shipped him back to the Soviet Union as slave labour.

No Fakers? (3, Funny)

jayhawk88 (160512) | about 9 months ago | (#45071925)

But what about doodie-heads? Are there meanies or stupid-faces?

Re:No Fakers? (1)

g1zmo (315166) | about 9 months ago | (#45072441)

A few, but it's mostly just Massholes.

Not sure why this article made the cut. (1, Offtopic)

Ken Broadfoot (3675) | about 9 months ago | (#45071973)

Why did Slashdot choose this article? Do they like Marky Mark or something?
I get turned down for articles far more interesting tan this one...

Dissapointed.

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Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (2)

mjpaci (33725) | about 9 months ago | (#45072117)

Marky Mark is Mark Wahlberg. Donnie is on Blue Bloods.

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072121)

Why did Slashdot choose this article? Do they like Marky Mark or something?
I get turned down for articles far more interesting tan this one...

Donnie Wahlberg != Mark Wahlberg

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (1)

RandomUsername99 (574692) | about 9 months ago | (#45072241)

Donky Mark?

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 9 months ago | (#45073095)

I can't tell them apart.

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072199)

Marky Mark's first name is Mark not Donnie.

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072661)

Marky Mark's first name is Marky. It's right there in front of your face.

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072275)

Sorry they don't accept your submissions. Have you ever submitted that awful MySpace page you have as your hompeage though?

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072381)

I clicked your link, expecting one of the "articles far more interesting t[h]an this one", but all I got was a multilevel marketing bitcoin ponzi scheme.

Everyone, please make sure not to click on this guy's link, and mod him down for having a worthless, harmful post.

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072521)

tan go do something else!

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (5, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 9 months ago | (#45072677)

Why did Slashdot choose this article? Do they like Marky Mark or something?

Because Verizon, a supposed common carrier, is refusing to offer services in a city that is a)one of two major tech capitals of the United States, an area with a long history of computer industry tech b)the largest city in New England.

There are a couple of factors at play. One is that Verizon wants an exemption from the state's requirements that TV cable providers secure franchise agreements with each town. The state basically forces cable companies to bid against each other. So that's why, for example, many MA towns have a cable studio in one of their schools, or at least some sort of community access station. That's important, but Verizon doesn't want to play ball against Comcast, RCN, Cablevision, etc. They just want to be able to offer TV services statewide.

The second factor: Verizon has studiously avoided low income (ie minority) areas in rolling out. They can run fiber down a street in Weston and get ~$200/household for internet, phone, and a fat TV package...and not need to feed that connection much in the way of data. In the city, people don't have as much disposable income, don't want phone service, and don't sit on their couch watching TV as much either because they're busy working or they're out taking advantage of more things the city has to offer...plus there's a LOT more internet connection sharing via wifi.

The end result is that we have only one real internet service provider in the city: Comcast. There's no competition, in a supposedly free market economy, in one of the oldest tech hubs in the country. Boston is the Silicon Valley of the East Coast; Massachusetts actually used to be as much or more of a tech powerhouse than SV was. DEC, Wang, HP, Sun, SGI, Oracle, Microsoft, and virtually every other major tech company used to have a massive presence here on either the Route 495 or 128 belts (495/128 and the spoke roads...93, 2, 3, 90, etc are why Boston is referred to as "The Hub")

All the tech elite/execs out in the burbs have awesomely fast internet and a choice in providers, but anyone in Cambridge, Somerville, or Boston don't. Similarly, if you head out to Needham you get 5-6Mbit/sec download speeds on your cell.

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45073105)

You can't call something a "supposedly free market" but a few breaths away from "franchise agreements with each town".
Enjoy your government enforced monopoly.

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45073141)

a)one of two major tech capitals of the United States, an area with a long history of computer industry tech b)the largest city in New England.

You do realize the article is about Boston, not New York City, right?

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45073275)

a)one of two major tech capitals of the United States, an area with a long history of computer industry tech b)the largest city in New England.

You do realize the article is about Boston, not New York City, right?

You do realize that New York City is not in New England, right?

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (1)

bmo (77928) | about 9 months ago | (#45073363)

|> the largest city in New England.

You do realize the article is about Boston, not New York City, right?

Since when is NYC part of New England?

NYC was New Amsterdam. Owned by the Dutch who also owned Pennsylvania and then sold all their holdings in North America to the English.

Know your fucking history, numbnuts.

True story:

Walking in Midtown, with a friend from Amsterdam. Walk by the ING building at 230 Park Ave. "You know, you guys used to own all of this" "Yeah, but we traded it, like we trade everything."

Also

"Everything here is big, except your churches"

--
BMO

Re:Not sure why this article made the cut. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072837)

Nice website, you shitstain.

Just got a local mailer for FIOS (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072035)

I got a mailer for Verizon FIOS at my house this week. Guess what? They don't have coverage in my area. Who is the idiot that ran that Mail Campaign?

Re:Just got a local mailer for FIOS (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 9 months ago | (#45072197)

I get mailers and ads on local TV/radio stations for any number of services, restaurants, retailers, etc that aren't even in my city... or any neighboring city for over 100 miles. It's not just Verizon.

Re:Just got a local mailer for FIOS (1)

laie_techie (883464) | about 9 months ago | (#45072367)

I get mailers and ads on local TV/radio stations for any number of services, restaurants, retailers, etc that aren't even in my city... or any neighboring city for over 100 miles. It's not just Verizon.

In Hawaii, we get many mailers and ads on tv / radio which state the offer is not valid in Alaska or Hawaii. Is it cheaper to spam everyone than to filter out states?

Re:Just got a local mailer for FIOS (1)

unrtst (777550) | about 9 months ago | (#45072207)

The idiot that runs the mail campaign advertising a product you can't buy via a mailer to your house is cut from the same cloth as the submitter who says there's NO FiOS in Boston, when it's really just not in his neighborhood (and many others... but it does exist there).

Doesn't seem like much of a story here. Should just be, "FiOS rollout seems slow, but they're still raking in enough cash for blanket advertising to people that can't even buy the service yet". Doesn't seem like the worst problem a company can have.

My Uncle (1)

BetaDays (2355424) | about 9 months ago | (#45072081)

My uncle lives in a planned houseing community and fios wanted to go in and put the lines and infastrcture but the community said only if you pay us X dollars. Guess what Fios said never mind. Not sure where I was going with this but it just came to him mind reading this.

Re:My Uncle (1)

cdrudge (68377) | about 9 months ago | (#45072247)

That's funny. I live in a city where FiOS wanted to go in too. The community said sure, fast tracked the approval process, and embraced the availability of additional competition and technology to the area. Verizon at the time was investing just as much into the community as the community was investing into Verizon for the long-term benefit.

As a result of the symbiotic relationship, we were one of the early communities on FiOS.

Then Verizon ditched us, selling us out to Frontier. Aside from that, and Frontier stumbling around for a bit wondering what they were going to over television wise, there really hasn't been any issues.

Re:My Uncle (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 9 months ago | (#45072417)

But you ended up with a fiber network infrastructure.

Re:My Uncle (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 9 months ago | (#45072437)

Well that is what happened when you get too greedy.

Hi we want to upgrade your infrastructure. We want you to pay us for the inconvenience of a guy at the side of the road with some orange cable. OK we won't.

Re:My Uncle (1)

BetaDays (2355424) | about 9 months ago | (#45072739)

that is exactly what is was like.

Re:My Uncle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072813)

Can you elaborate on the various roles in this play of yours? What's the motivation of the character that says "OK we don't"? Was he abandoned by his alcholic father who left to travel overseas to find himself? What are the surroundings? Is it on a crowded bus during rush hour in the cold Michigan winter, or by various retired golfers on a brisk day in Nevada? Did the person teeing off, have a par on the previous hole?

Tell us!

"No phonies, no fakers" from an *ACTOR*? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072153)

I'm sorry, I understand the sentiment, but it just seems odd having those lines come from someone whose life's work is to pretend to be someone he's not.

alternatives (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072163)

To hell with Verizon, what ever happened to all those public wireless efforts years ago? I don't care about fibre to home, I care about buying (or getting for free?) internet from someone not part of the ruling plutocracy.

Re:alternatives (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 9 months ago | (#45072467)

Simple, WEP and WPA...

That and if others are doing bad things with your paid network connection, you may be responsible for it.

So if you have an Open Wi-Fi and your neighbors are pirating stuff or other things, who is the first person the cops will knock on the door of. You! even if you found innocent you have to deal with the process. Your better off securing your Wireless and have your neighbors buy their own.

Everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072171)

This happens ALL the time with ALL carriers in ALL cities. Apparently Boston is more important than the rest of us???

Re:Everywhere (1)

RandomUsername99 (574692) | about 9 months ago | (#45072303)

Guess so.

Re:Everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072309)

The story seems to be that they made a targeted ad for Boston, of a product that you can't get in Boston. With a local actor, only local sightings, everything. The kind of ad you make when you launch a product on a new market - except that there was no launch.

Re:Everywhere (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 9 months ago | (#45072481)

You sound like you are from New York City.

It's a Standoff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072243)

A few years ago the rumor was that Verizon wanted to install FIOS in the areas where people are most likely to pay for it (the middle and upper class parts of the city), but the mayor wouldn't let Verizon install a single foot of fiber unless they agreed to install it everywhere throughout the entire city.

Whether you believe that rumor or not, there have been enough ongoing public battles between Menino and Verizon to make the Globe article's statement “Mayor Thomas M. Menino has spent many fruitless years cajoling Verizon to bring its service to Boston” a load of crap.

Re:It's a Standoff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072629)

The Mayor does not have the authority to make such a deal unilaterally. He cannot enforce laws that do not exist. Such a deal would have to be made by city ordinance.

Re: It's a Standoff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072847)

You have underestimated the informal power of Mayor Menino.

Boo Freaking Hoo (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 9 months ago | (#45072375)

Is the next Slashdot article going to complain about having to see Long John Silvers advertisements when there aren't any Long John Silvers restaurants in the area? Because I see those ads pretty frequently...

FiOS Is A Sham. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072459)

Here in Maryland, we received FiOS flyers in the mail; they hung advertisements on our door knob; they put advertisements under our cars' windshield wipers; they made phone calls (because we were current Verizon ADSL customers, I presume, the phone call was legal); they even came out to the house in person at one point, all trying to sell us on FiOS. We still see TV ads on our local TV stations (just over the air; we don't have cable).

Being that we are big-time Internet content consumers -- video, photos, Linux distros, gaming -- FiOS was a huge deal for us. From the first time I heard the acronym, I wanted it. I couldn't wait to free myself from the unreliability and below-average speed of ADSL.

That was in 2008. But suddenly, a shift happened: instead of Verizon spamming *us*, we found ourselves spamming *them*. We'd call them on the phone and ask if they were offering FiOS yet. "Nope, it's not available in your area yet". Over time, the reps started leaving the "yet" off, as if to imply that it would never be available. Turns out they were right.

I was making pretty good money at the time, so I called Verizon and asked how much they wanted to connect the fiber from what I assumed was a local switching box to our house. I told them I'm willing to pay an amount they'd typically charge a business. They declined to quote a price, simply repeating that FiOS is not available in my area, over and over again, like a broken record. Meanwhile, I posted on the dslreports forums inquiring about it, and someone who lives about half a mile down the road said they have FiOS, and they thought our entire town was wired up with it. Apparently I'm not part of the town I live in. Who'd have thought?

Then I read this story: http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=background.view&backgroundid=631

It's no wonder FiOS never came. It was a profiteering scam all along. Verizon's plan was basically to:

(1) Tell the government that they need a lot of money to roll out the next generation internet service to America to keep us competitive with the rest of the world; this convinced politicians sufficiently well that they received a big chunk of change from taxpayers.

(2) Using money that they'd normally be spending on PSTN (telephone) infrastructure, deploy a *token* amount of FiOS in areas where it's the most profitable and lowest cost / barrier to entry to do so, and tell the politicians, "See? We're doing it!" -- meanwhile they were doubtless placing neighborhoods inhabited by Congressmen and Senators at the top of the priority list.

(3) Once the government seemed satisfied, stop the deployment entirely, except for finishing off areas that they already promised local or state governments they'd roll out to.

(4) Keep all the money that the government gave them for FiOS, and hand it out to their top executives as bonuses.

It's a devious, scheming, unabashedly evil plan, which succeeded with flying colors, as far as lining the executives' pockets. Meanwhile, not only did they screw taxpayers out of their money, but they didn't even follow through with the service they said they'd provide, for the vast majority of the people.

Meanwhile, through price fixing and industry collusion, even with arch-rivals such as Comcast and AT&T, they have managed to keep a damper on innovation, cloud hosted services, HD video streaming, and other premium internet services in the U.S., by intentionally restricting the internet access of the common man to about 7.1 Mbps, give or take.

This is all nothing new. Verizon is a shining example of exactly what is wrong with the United States: corporate greed, flying in the face of the government's best intentions, abusing taxpayer money for corporate gain, and preventing Americans from having an equal footing with the rest of the industrialized world on the "Information Superhighway". The first chance we get, we should lock their top executives and investors away in solitary confinement for life. But of course that will never happen, because nobody gives a shit that the crooks get away with this. And they know it, too, or they wouldn't have done such a thing in plain sight.

Re:FiOS Is A Sham. (0)

jacknifetoaswan (2618987) | about 9 months ago | (#45072621)

I had Fios in NJ, and my internet speeds were consistently 30 Mbps or above. My AT&T U-Verse service gets me about 25 Mbps in South Carolina. Methinks you're just a troll.

Re:FiOS Is A Sham. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072919)

Well, aren't you lucky to have lived / be living in areas with swanky internet access. A few things:

(1) I never claimed that FiOS was slow. **IF** you can get it -- and that's a big IF -- it's very fast. The problem I have with FiOS is that they vastly under-deployed, compared to the promises they made to the public, and to federal, state, and local governments. It's basically an elitist service. To begin with, it's only available at all in 16 states. Out of those 16 states, it has 5.6 million FiOS subscribers as of April 2013 (link here: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/verizons-fios-tv-subscriber-growth-442118 ). It also has 3.3 million ADSL subscribers, accounting for 37% of their landline user base. Out of those, I'd wager that the vast majority are unable to get FiOS no matter how hard they beg; I don't have any quantitative figures, but the entry level FiOS package (just for basic internet) isn't much more expensive than an ADSL package, so it's hard to see why people would continue to use ADSL when they know that FiOS is available in their area.

(2) Government grants monopolies to individual companies on selling internet service in "territories". So if you have the ability to get any sort of Verizon service, whether it's just phone, phone and DSL, or FiOS, you are almost guaranteed to be unable to get any other service. Similarly, if you have AT&T, you are almost guaranteed to be unable to get Verizon service. So those who are in a Verizon territory but can't get FiOS are unable to get anything better than ADSL. This is the problem. Essentially, Verizon (and probably you would agree with this) is saying "if you don't like it, move". Right. So just pick up your life, leave your paid-off house that you spent 25 years paying the mortgage on, move your wife and kids to a new place, quit your job, all that for faster Internet? Imagine if Thomas Edison had suggested doing that to get electricity when it was first being introduced?

(3) 25 Mbps isn't exactly blazing fast. My phone gets faster speeds on LTE when I'm near a tower. A homeless guy in Finland gets faster speeds at a library. And because you have AT&T, you'll never be able to get FiOS, even if Verizon were chomping at the bit to roll it out to you.

The bottom line is, high speed, competitive Internet access needs to be considered a national imperative, much along the same lines as running water and electricity. Corporations are too slovenly to keep us competitive with the rest of the world, and without a competitive edge into the economy du jour -- which right now is on the Internet -- our country goes down the tubes. The Internet infrastructure must become a public utility. If you leave it up to Verizon and AT&T, you'll still be getting 25 Mbps in 2050.

Re:FiOS Is A Sham. (0)

jacknifetoaswan (2618987) | about 9 months ago | (#45073031)

Public utilities are only 'public' in the sense that they're provided to the public, for a fee. In all areas where I've lived, with the exception of sewer service, utilities are private companies that are regulated by the state.

That said, Verizon isn't the only company doing this, and governments are configured to create monopolies. The companies are just playing the hands they're dealt.

My phone gets 25 Mbps on LTE, as well. The big problem? Like Fios, it isn't available everywhere. You make due with what you have available to you.

Re:FiOS Is A Sham. (1)

Wookact (2804191) | about 9 months ago | (#45072959)

Methinks you need to move away from the coasts and then find out how things are. Troll

Re:FiOS Is A Sham. (1)

jacknifetoaswan (2618987) | about 9 months ago | (#45073047)

Me? Huh?

Re:FiOS Is A Sham. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45073077)

In NYC, I had FIOS and I got consistently 50+ down and 35+ up. In Boston, I have RCN and I get ~40 down (upload speed is shameful due to being cable). What exactly are you talking about again?

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072461)

Why is this a big deal? I get ads for all sorts of places that aren't in my area, FiOS included.

I live outside of Boston. I have FIOS. (3, Interesting)

aseth (893952) | about 9 months ago | (#45072471)

The greater Boston marketing area includes areas other than the City of Boston itself. For example, they also show Red Lobster ads and the closest one's in Connecticut.

Slow news day, huh?

This is Normal for Fiber (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072505)

FTA: "While the service is prevalent in the suburbs, Verizon Communications Inc. has said it is too costly to wire the city for FiOS, leaving Comcast and tiny RCN as the only cable providers for 650,000 residents."

The center of the metropolitan area has self-proclaimestd "great" internet service and the average citizen only knows it's faster than what was previously available. I live in the Portland, OR area, where suburbian areas have roughly twice the speed for half the price (Frontier FiOS vs. CenturyLink DSL).

The urbanites tend to be unaware of what's actually available nearby, and therefore have nothing to contest. Advertising could help the FiOS provider bring awareness to the average person of what "fast" really is, thereby creating demand that didn't previously exist.

From Boston, over FiOS. (5, Informative)

csumpi (2258986) | about 9 months ago | (#45072517)

Posted from Boston, plugged into 50MBps Verizon FiOS. It was already installed in the house when we moved in. Also had FiOS at our previous Boston residence, which was over two years ago. It was installed within 24 hours there.

Later tonight I'll watch the Redsox game, in HD, over FiOS.

I have no idea what this article is talking about.

Re:From Boston, over FiOS. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072723)

Did you expect timothy to actually check any sources?

You're one of a tiny few. (4, Informative)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 9 months ago | (#45072751)

Posted from Boston, plugged into 50MBps Verizon FiOS. I have no idea what this article is talking about.

Years ago, Verizon rolled out FiOS to a handful (literally) of customers in Boston, same as they did in Cambridge and other municipalities. It was probably done as some sort of token measure to claim they were offering the service everywhere, or justify commercials like these.

For all practical purposes Verizon does not, and has not ever, offered FiOS in Boston, Cambridge, or Somerville. If you don't believe me, plug in a friend's phone number and address into their "can I get FiOS?" tool. You won't succeed.

This is well documented in discussions on DSLreports and other forums if you just bother to plug in "Boston FiOS coverage". Go look at the DSLreports maps for self-reported service coverage. There are a couple of dots of FiOS customers in the Boston area, and a sea of them elsewhere.

Re:You're one of a tiny few. (0, Offtopic)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about 9 months ago | (#45072793)

Years ago, Verizon rolled out FiOS to a handful (literally) of customers in Boston

Apparently you're using the new definition of "literally". That is, as a synonym of "figuratively". Because unless the people with FiOS were actually held together in someones hand at some point, then that isn't "literally" what happened.

Re:You're one of a tiny few. (1, Flamebait)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 9 months ago | (#45072901)

Fuck off.

Re:You're one of a tiny few. (3, Funny)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 9 months ago | (#45073195)

Irregardless of if you used literally correctly, the GP's grammarian ass should be decimated. I could care less what he says.

Re:You're one of a tiny few. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072955)

Thank you. When someone misuses literally like this, I literally want to kill them.

I don't though, because I literally do not want to cozy up to some dude in federal prison, where I'm figuratively his ladyfriend.

Re:You're one of a tiny few. (1)

geoffrobinson (109879) | about 9 months ago | (#45073013)

Re:You're one of a tiny few. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45073123)

The definition hasn't changed. People who used it that way were idiots back then, and they're idiots now.

Re:You're one of a tiny few. (1)

neminem (561346) | about 9 months ago | (#45073137)

I agree with you, but not for the reason you state. "Handful" != "Hand full". Yes, one came from the other, but I would argue that "handful" does *not* literally mean that the items have to have been literally held in someone's hand. Rather, it means merely that it's a small enough number that, were the items of a reasonably small size, they would comfortably fit in a hand. As wiktionary puts it: "A small quantity, usually approximately equal to five, the number of fingers on a hand."

That said, while I wouldn't be surprised if most of Boston isn't covered by FIOS (I live in another metropolitan area where only a small percentage of the city, not including any of the places I've lived, are eligible for FIOS, which hasn't stopped them from continually spamming me with FIOS ads for the 6 years I've lived there), still, I'm sure the number of people capable of getting FIOS is way more than 5. Thus, I'd still take issue with "literally", just not for the meaning you claim.

They still sell service, just not run new fiber (3, Informative)

mrnick (108356) | about 9 months ago | (#45072777)

I live in the Boston area, Marlborough, and FiOS is still in business and selling FiOS. What they won't do is run new fiber to a building that doesn't already have it. They still advertise trying to get people to connect that do have the fiber already ran.

I have moved twice and have been able to purchase FiOS is both locations.

So, unless the commercial talks about running cable the argument doesn't make much since.

Re:From Boston, over FiOS. (1)

RandomUsername99 (574692) | about 9 months ago | (#45072785)

It's not that nobody can get Fios in Boston, it's that most people can't get Fios in Boston. Fios, RCN, and Comca... ::ahem:: "Xfinity" are all available in Cambridge... but 1/4 mi from MIT towards Central, and I can't get Fios or RCN.

sounds like a prime opportunity for Google Fiber! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072577)

sounds like a prime opportunity for Google Fiber!

Re:sounds like a prime opportunity for Google Fibe (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 9 months ago | (#45073161)

Google only goes where the locals have already built the infrastructure. They buy "dark" fiber, but if your city doesn't happen to have any, don't hold your breath.

No short cuts? (1)

TheCarp (96830) | about 9 months ago | (#45072595)

Really no short cuts in boston? Is that what his driver tells him?

Meanwhile in Canada... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072601)

My telco up here in western Canada will not advertise an Internet service unless they can offer it to %70 of their customer base. They will still roll out the service, just not market it. Not sure what percentage of Verizon customers can qualify for FiOS service though...

Patchy indeed... (1)

shameless (100182) | about 9 months ago | (#45072655)

FiOS deployment is very patchy in the Boston area. I live in a suburb of Boston and I own a retail shop there. My home and shop are about four blocks apart. I had FiOS in both locations since 2008.

Recently I moved my shop to a new location a block and a half away. It is actually between my home and my previous location. No FiOS service, though; I had to settle for DSL.

Re:Patchy indeed... (1)

Wookact (2804191) | about 9 months ago | (#45073075)

So you are about two blocks away from your home which has FiOS?

You might be able to use a long range directional antenna (cantenna) to reach your work, then you could save money by dropping the DSL.

For small values of New England (1)

stevel (64802) | about 9 months ago | (#45072673)

There's more to be annoyed about with this ad (which I have not seen, but I read about in the Globe). If the ad has Wahlberg saying "This is New England", then by "New England" they mean Massachusetts (Boston excluded), Connecticut and Rhode Island. Verizon abandoned northern New England (Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont) years ago, selling off their business to tiny Fairpoint Communications. Fairpoint, which has finally got most of their accounting issues straightened out, have admitted that while they will continue to serve existing FiOS Internet customers (TV was not offered), they are not expanding it anywhere. At least I got FiOS Internet while Verizon was building it out.

FiOS is available (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072695)

I live 20 miles west of Boston in a town with about 60,000 people. I have FiOS. I had it when I lived in Braintree (10 miles south) and Plymouth (30 miles south).

Re:FiOS is available (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072897)

I live 20 miles west of Boston

That puts you in a suburb. Good for you, that still doesn't mean you are in Boston.

Sex witUh a trollkore (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45072977)

around are in nned arithmetic, I don't want to a productivity numbers conti/nue

Boston? (1)

Provocateur (133110) | about 9 months ago | (#45073071)

So you musta ment Hubbotha univers , then

VZ's phone service attitude (1)

Almost-Retired (637760) | about 9 months ago | (#45073157)

Chuckle, gives me a good excuse to relate why I jumped ship to the local cable provider 3 or 4 years ago.

I had a damned slow (80kb/sec) adsl, and my phone on VZ copper for years.
Late December, the phone goes out, but the net remains, which I guess it can when only one side of the copper opens up and the other side, due to 50 yo paper insulated cable being soaking wet, might as well be ground.

Call VZ on my cell phone, they promise they'd get to it in about 4 days. Really? Week later I call again, and told maybe 10 days.

I call the PUC & filed a complaint, 3 days later they come out, make snide remarks about me calling in the PUC, claimed they had enough problems, found another so-so pair in the cable & moved me. Bad hum and I can hear the neighbors. Phone rings half-heartedly at all hours of the day/night.

I should mention that typical wait time to talk to a human started out at about 10 minutes and got progressively worse, till the last time, in late April, they didn't even transfer twice, and I timed the last time they started the elevator music & I gave up after 47 minutes and called the PUC again, but since I hadn't talked to VZ long enough to get the persons name, which our PUC requires you do, that was the end of it.

Between then, late Dec 2008 and April 30 2009, I actually had a working phone 17 days. And no pro-rate adjustments were ever made to the duns I was getting. I called Shentel, who had bought the local cable tv system 2 years back, got a 5x faster net connection and the same free to the lower 48 I had with VZ, for about 5 bucks a month less. All installed and working great in 4 days most of which was waiting for the modem to arrive. Outages have been 99% power related, two weeks once when the 112 mph direcho came thru in 2010, clearing out lots of trees including 3 of mine, 40 yo jack pines, one of which wound up on the next door neighbor's roof. Anything that looked like a wire or something to hold up a wire had to be built back up from scratch. Not Shentels fault IOW.

AFAIAC, VZ still owes me about $300 for services billed and not delivered. If I owned any stock, I'd sell, because its only going to get worse. With their managements attitude it can't help but implode at some point.

Cheers as usual, Gene.

Help us GOOGLE! You're our only hope. (1)

Codifex Maximus (639) | about 9 months ago | (#45073241)

At this rate, we're gonna be an Internet Third World Country. Not dissing third world countries mind you...

Tell it straight (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45073255)

'"This is New England, where people tell it straight," says Wahlberg... "No phonies, no fakers, no shortcuts."'

Yeah, there's no phonies in the land of Congress, the CIA, defense contractors, and New York City. :bigeyeroll:

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