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TEPCO Workers Remove Wrong Pipe Get Splashed With Radioactive Water

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the how-bad-is-it? dept.

Japan 214

An anonymous reader writes "A day after TEPCO workers mistakenly turned off cooling pumps serving the spent pool at reactor #4 at the crippled nuclear plant comes a new accident — 6 workers apparently removed the wrong pipe from a primary filtration system and were doused with highly radioactive water. They were wearing protection yet such continuing mishaps and 'small mistakes' are becoming a pattern at the facility."

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Oblig (1, Funny)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#45086739)

Re:Oblig (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about a year ago | (#45086793)

Oh, a wiseguy, eh?

Re:Oblig (-1, Offtopic)

AlphaWoIf_HK (3042365) | about a year ago | (#45086859)

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Re:Oblig (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45086899)

WTF?

Please hunt down the moderator who rated this as insightful and ban them from /. forever.

(or, someone, explain the insight here)

Re:Oblig (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087313)

WTF?

Please hunt down the moderator who rated this as insightful and ban them from /. forever.

(or, someone, explain the insight here)

Asshats have sock puppet accounts with good karma and then use them to mod up their own AC asshattery or mod down people that disagree with a post they created from one of their accounts.

Re:Oblig (5, Insightful)

rudy_wayne (414635) | about a year ago | (#45086977)

I would be willing to bet that things like this happen frequently at nuclear power plants in the U.S. but they aren't being closely scrutinized so you don't hear about it.

Re:Oblig (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087687)

If only there was a place where we could scrutinize the scrutiny!

Oh wait, there is! NRC Scrutiny [nrc.gov]

Re:Oblig (0)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | about a year ago | (#45087727)

But then who will scrutinize the scrutinizer of the scrutinized?

It's scrutiny all the way down!

Re:Oblig (0)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#45087807)

Turtles, bro.

TURTLE power.

Re:Oblig (0)

plopez (54068) | about a year ago | (#45088027)

We need a Central Scrutinizer!

(google it if you didn't get it)

Re:Oblig, thank you (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087991)

I was going to make the same comment. It is getting ridiculous every time something happens at the facility slashdot reports it as if no other nuclear disaster had it mistakes.

Having said that I would expect TEPCO to learn lessons from others mistakes. However this is only really the second such MAJOR failure/meltdown of a nuclear plant.

Re:Oblig (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45088311)

Methinks ya been watching way too much Simpsons episodes.

Re:Oblig (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087829)

"Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard..."

look (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45086745)

there is no shame in calling a friend for help.

Re:look (2)

bob_super (3391281) | about a year ago | (#45086891)

In Japan? Even asking for a giant Mech to help fight Godzilla is considered a failure.

Re:look (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087619)

Fukushima cartoons!
http://nav.cx/46f2Yy

Re:look (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45088191)

bribe them/pay them, Capitalism

What a tepco (2)

goombah99 (560566) | about a year ago | (#45086929)

I think tepco has now become the new 2013 slang word for cluster fuck or a dumbshit move.

Re:What a tepco (2)

RightwingNutjob (1302813) | about a year ago | (#45087297)

Oh, that's just because their mistakes are in the media cross-hairs. All the preventable and expensive stupid mistakes I could tell you about at my place of employment would give TEPCO a run for its money, but I've agreed to several kinds of NDAs and don't feel like getting sued and/or going to jail for divulging specifics. And I'll bet you even money no place is immune.

Re:What a tepco (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#45088075)

Yeah well that's because NO ONE ELSE HAS CREATED A BIGGER MESS THAN CHERNOBYL in recent times.

fuck the slashdot caps filter, snakes begone!

fried fish (2)

Moblaster (521614) | about a year ago | (#45086761)

The most troublesome thing about this nuclear pipe water tipping incident is that there is nothing funny about it. What possible humor is there in this? Shall we call the place "Tipco" or something? Shall we make jokes about the water itself, and say silly things like, "Oh, they spilled water? Hopefully it wasn't heavy water! Get it? Hehe." Dumb stuff like that. Or talk about the fact that at least they were wearing protection. So they won't get a disease. Surely, that joke would be pregnant with humor. This is the trouble with posting on Happy Hump Day.

Re:fried fish (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45086837)

And to your rant I say...

http://i.imgur.com/1lsr7zN.gif

Re:fried fish (4, Insightful)

nospam007 (722110) | about a year ago | (#45086875)

"The most troublesome thing about this nuclear pipe water tipping incident is that there is nothing funny about it."

We never found it funny, that they are telling us now for 50 years that it's perfectly safe and that they are professionals who can handle any problem, no matter what.

Now we know that they can't even handle a bunch of simple systems that have a tank, a hose and a pump.

Re:fried fish (-1, Offtopic)

AlphaWoIf_HK (3042365) | about a year ago | (#45086905)

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Re:fried fish (2)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about a year ago | (#45087183)

Oooh, someone forgot to tick the Anonymous Coward box....

Re:fried fish (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#45087921)

Maybe he's not a coward?

Re:fried fish (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45088199)

+1

Re:fried fish (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45087179)

It does seem increasingly clear that TEPCO couldn't be trusted to take care of your fishtank for a weekend(not even the freshwater one that's really relaxed about sampling and balance adjustments); but it should be noted, in fairness, that wacky piping accidents do get easier the more thickly built (ideally ad-hoc, and in poorly labelled stages, with evolutionary growth here and there) the piping rat's nest gets.

The essence of true competence is to avoid getting into situations where continuous high levels of competence are needed; by not backing yourself into a clusterfuck of a system that is always one false move away from doing something dangerous; but if you've fucked up and done that, it's really just a matter of time until somebody gets tapped as the fall guy by the pitiless gods of blind chance.

Re:fried fish (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087967)

well you should excuse them, it's hard to work coherently with a plan when you have radiation sickness.

Re:fried fish (2)

lgw (121541) | about a year ago | (#45086923)

Here you go: we should send the NSA employees over to work on the dangerous reactor cleanup - that way we solve two problems at once!

Re:fried fish (1)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | about a year ago | (#45087207)

From the summary...

yet such continuing mishaps and 'small mistakes' are becoming a pattern at the facility

The most troublesome thing is that this pattern is continuing from before the tsunami even hit. Otherwise there wouldn't be any problem right now. And the fact it goes so far back and they're still letting those stooges run things.

Re:fried fish (4, Insightful)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year ago | (#45087335)

But it isn't a pattern of small mistakes. A design that guaranteed that a generator failure during a power outage would result in a meltdown was (and still is) considered safe. That's not a mistake, that's a fundamental design/regulatory issue. That they put the generators in line with a tsunami path, rather than mounting them on the roof of a reinforced shed (which would have prevented the meltdown, so long as the fuel wasn't contaminated before the backup fuel was brought in), wasn't error. It was intentional. There's a difference. An unfortunate event that was intentional is negligence. Opening the wrong pipe mistakenly believing it to be a different one is a 'small mistake'/mishap.

Re:fried fish (1)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | about a year ago | (#45087387)

When you get a question wrong in a math test you still intentionally put the answer you did. And it is still a mistake.

Re:fried fish (2)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year ago | (#45087523)

When graded for partial credit, they'll not get the same results. Not all errors are mistakes, and not all mistakes are errors

Re:fried fish (5, Funny)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about a year ago | (#45088339)

Opening the wrong pipe mistakenly believing it to be a different one is a 'small mistake'/mishap.

That's one small mistake for man, one giant leap for mutantkind

Is MR bruns running the place? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#45087563)

It seems a lot like SNPP

Re:fried fish (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#45087209)

Well, the first post linked to a picture of the three stooges so...

Poor oversight (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45086773)

If they keep this up, we'll have 3 eyed fish in no time.

Re:Poor oversight (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year ago | (#45086861)

That will look perfectly normal to the three eyed Tepco workers.

Circus music.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45086805)

I hear circus music every time I read a story about TEPCO.

Re:Circus music.. (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45087195)

Anybody feel up to a rendition of 'Yackety Sax' on a geiger counter and a selection of alarm klaxons?

Line Up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45086809)

Line Up! Drug tests all 'round.
Failing that, DNA tests to see if Mom and Dad were siblings may provide shocking revelations.

Again (4, Informative)

djupedal (584558) | about a year ago | (#45086843)

. . . the boys should not be trusted with nuclear anything. They know how to take notes and make lists, but when it comes to handling risk, they're clueless.

I once found a radioactive test sample in a dumpster when I worked for a medical device manuf. in Tokyo - there are many more stories to go along with that one. Like how we were told if there was a fire to first order a pizza, then tell the firemen to follow the delivery to the fire. A lumber yard caught on fire one night, and we watched as the sirens and flashing lights on the fire trucks zig zagged around the neighborhood - 45 minutes later, the fire was out and they still hadn't found it.

An outside multi-national agency must be brought in or these types of calamities will only continue with TEPCO.

Re:Again (-1, Troll)

icebike (68054) | about a year ago | (#45086913)

I once found a radioactive test sample in a dumpster when I worked for a medical device manuf.

Good thing their budget wasn't large enough such that they could pay you enough for a proper apartment.
Who knows how many radioactive samples might have gone missing had you not been sleeping there at the time.

Re:Again (-1, Troll)

AlphaWoIf_HK (3042365) | about a year ago | (#45086945)

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Re:Again (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087321)

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Re:Again (2)

Deadstick (535032) | about a year ago | (#45087283)

A lumber yard caught on fire one night, and we watched as the sirens and flashing lights on the fire trucks zig zagged around the neighborhood - 45 minutes later, the fire was out and they still hadn't found it.

I didn't even have to leave Exceptionalistan to see that happen. I live in a suburban square mile bounded by four section-line streets, trisected by the confluence of two streams, and bisected by a power-line easement. My son's buddy hurt himself on a dirt bike, I called his HMO, the HMO operator set off a full-boat response of police, fire engines and ambulances...and I got to listen to the sirens dopplering up and down and fading in and out until I sent a kid out on a bicycle to tell them how to do their job.

Re:Again (0)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year ago | (#45087447)

How are they to be expected to find the fire? Have you been to Japan? All the signs are in Japanese!

But the real question was, did you finish the pizza before they got there?

Anyone else hear Homer Simpson's Voice? (1)

AlienSexist (686923) | about a year ago | (#45086857)

Every time TEPCO appears in the news I swear I hear yet another "Doh" soundbyte.

Re:Anyone else hear Homer Simpson's Voice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087039)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJBKyTfCjCc

Is this a videostream from:

A: Fukushima Nuclear Plant
B: The House of representatives

SHAMEFUR DISPRAY (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45086889)

n/t

What's really facinating about this whole mess (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45086959)

Is that somehow someway, the only collection of people on earth who have actually seen an atomic detonation and fallout event in their front yards were convinced to allow a six unit fission plant anywhere on the island. On their volcanicly active, earthquake prone...ISLAND.

Apparently nopes have a shorter half-life than stupidity.

Re:What's really facinating about this whole mess (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45087253)

"Energy" is an awfully persuasive argument. Without it, your civilization will crumble to little more than medieval standards of living surprisingly fast.

Given that Japan has ~0 coal, oil, gas (not even much wood, per capita), it was either nukes or imports. Much of the rest of the world hasn't had to face up to the problem as dramatically because they've got a big stash of cheap 'n nasty coal somewhere convenient. That has its own downsides; but those have proven easy to ignore (unless you make the mistake of living in our under-construction Appalacian Lunar Theme Park or something).

Re:What's really facinating about this whole mess (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year ago | (#45087491)

They have sun and water. You'd think they'd be looking at something, anything else.

Re:What's really facinating about this whole mess (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45087539)

It's entirely possible that much of 'they' weren't really asked. If the decision-making around Fukishima (when it was first installed) was anything like that around Minamata, stonewalling and general contempt for the 'opinions' of whiny little people was the official policy of both business and state.

Re:What's really facinating about this whole mess (4, Insightful)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about a year ago | (#45087711)

"Energy" is an awfully persuasive argument. Without it, your civilization will crumble to little more than medieval standards of living surprisingly fast.

In my estimation, Japan was not remiss in using nuclear power. Your comments about their lack of energy resources are spot on. nuc was and is a good option for Japan.

What they were stupidly and criminally negligent in was building the way they built it, and mainly in the location where they built it. The plant was built in an area of historic Earthquake and Tsunami activity. Worse, the wall built to protect against Tsunami waves was insufficient to protect against waves that they knew would hit it.

The historical and geologic record shows this to be the case. The Japanese have records of when Tsunamis happened in the past, The geological record shows the gravel drops where the waves hit their highest level.

The Fukushima plant was going to be hit with an earthquake and Tsunami, and one of these events was going to have a wave height higher than the protective barrier.This was as close to scientific certainty as it is possible to be.

So what is a country to do that needs power and decides that nuclear is the way to go?

First of course, is to determine the risks, and determine how to mitigate them.Earthquakes and Tsunami are the main bugaboos in Japan. Since a large source of water is needed, you probably want to site the plant by a fresh water river. You want it far enough from the ocean and at a sufficient altitude that the Tsunami wave that will happen will not reach the plant. You want to place it in relative stable area regarding seismic activity.

Then after all that, you add a nice big safety factor in your design

But the toughest part is the politics. As likely as not, someone has a nice piece of property they think would just be crackerjack to sell to the company making the plant. There will be pressure to get done on schedule, and almost always, the bean counters trump the engineers.So other factors end up compromising the design, and you get a plant that has total certainty of a catastrophic failure.

As the technological issues are addressed and surmounted, it is yet to be shown if the political and human factors can.

Re:What's really facinating about this whole mess (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087907)

yes yes; I - admitedly a non-expert nobody - can figure out that
when you put in a battery backup for when the main pump motors
fail to start; it is just reasonable to put in a good deal more
that the absolute minimum! (6 hours indeed - 60 hours would
not have saved everything but...)

Re:What's really facinating about this whole mess (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45088183)

If memory serves, both the US NRC (presumably because GE was involved, or because somebody asked) and their Japanese equivalent pointed out that there were... issues... with various aspects of the facility(including flooding-related ones that ended up being a problem, in addition to retro reactor design problems that they didn't know about); but nobody likes that guy who can't be a team player, and so such issues were not addressed.

Re:What's really facinating about this whole mess (3, Funny)

asifyoucare (302582) | about a year ago | (#45087919)

fff said "Given that Japan has ~0 coal, oil, gas (not even much wood, per capita)......,"

That's just a racist stereotype.

Ouch!!! (1)

ClaudeVMS (637469) | about a year ago | (#45086991)

...and you thought documentation for software was important! Build to vs as built - anymore questions?

Plumbing (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087009)

Queue the malcontents to stir up the idiots with OMG TEPCO IS KILLING TEH EARTH!!!1

Stop it. They're handling vast quantities of water in thousands pipes, tanks, tunnels and pumps. Some of it is going to leak. Some of it will spill. Sometimes it will get on someones rad suit. This isn't incompetence or the end of the world. It is the natural and expected consequence of dealing with fucking plumbing.

Whatever. This hysteria has an expiration date; after the 50th OMG THEY SPILT SOMETHING story people will get tired of it and the media will seek out some new source of hysteria.

That is, at least, as it should be. It would be nice if we could just not indulge this stupid shit to begin with.

Re:Plumbing (0)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year ago | (#45087193)

Wish I had mod points for you.

Re:Plumbing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45088057)

If you're going to make comments that are that useless, at least ramble on about your fetid a-hole like that other guy.

Re:Plumbing (1, Insightful)

fnj (64210) | about a year ago | (#45087841)

Living proof why this level of bumbling exists. Because millions of lazy ass ignorant unengaged morons like you stand for it.

Re:Plumbing (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087879)

Queue the malcontents to stir up the idiots with OMG TEPCO IS KILLING TEH EARTH!!!1

Woah, woah, woah. Now hold it right there. We malcontents were saying TEPCO are a bunch of hopeless dipshits somehow trusted to manage nuclear safety coupled with an ingrained cultural stigma towards requesting outside assistance.

We never said anything about them killing the earth.

Re:Plumbing (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#45088053)

we could just not indulge this stupid shit to begin with

Wow! You took the words right out of my mouth.

Culture (1)

headhot (137860) | about a year ago | (#45087023)

Its almost like the are in a culture where you can't call out people's mistakes and follow orders blindly.

Re:Culture (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45087259)

Its almost like the are in a culture where you can't call out people's mistakes and follow orders blindly.

A corporation?

Re:Culture (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#45087329)

That was the most insightful thing I've seen in this thread, thank you. There was a slashdot topic a while back, and I asked Samantha Wright about neurochemistry affects the brain, and she replied with this link [psmag.com] , which isn't chemistry at all but a fascinating treatise on human cultures (and in fact answered my question). We are all products of our environments. The linked article notes that westerners are weird, and the weirdest of the westerners is Americans from testing different peoples.

Re:Culture (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45088117)

That was the most insightful thing I've seen in this thread, thank you. There was a slashdot topic a while back, and I asked Samantha Wright about neurochemistry affects the brain, and she replied with this link [psmag.com] , which isn't chemistry at all but a fascinating treatise on human cultures (and in fact answered my question). We are all products of our environments. The linked article notes that westerners are weird, and the weirdest of the westerners is Americans from testing different peoples.

Mod this up! Great link, just read the whole thing: Americans are weird.

Of course! (1)

felixrising (1135205) | about a year ago | (#45087025)

... this is what happens when all the smart people stay well away.

History lesson (2)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#45087041)

And that, boys and girls, is where tentacle monsters come from.

In Other News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087143)

In Other News... three giant flying TEPCO workers have been spotted flying around town.

How does this happen? (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#45087159)

How do you accidentally remove the wrong pipe when you're working with nuclear stuff?

I've worked in the software and IT industry for quite a few years, and in that time I've learned that there are things you do that need to be precise, because you can make a hell of a mess if you don't. To do this, you measure twice, measure a few more times, and have your second who has been watching what you're doing confirm you're doing what you expect to be.

I learned this from maintaining production systems for business critical stuff, and a few things for which lives could literally be on the line. But at the end of the day, it's still less dangerous and critical than working on a nuclear plant.

This just sounds to me like either they're fumbling around in the dark, working from incomplete plans and don't actually know what the parts are, or are just simply not taking time to do the diligence on what they're doing.

Especially when it's your ass that's going to get splashed with highly radioactive water.

For a nation which has a reputation for fastidious attention to detail, obsessive safety drills, and engineering excellence ... how the hell are they ending up with a company which has made so many 'mistakes' in this?

Once again, I have to wonder if these guys are actually qualified to be running nuclear reactors. Because this is two accidents in a few days, and I get the impression that a lot of this was also caused by human error.

The mind boggles.

Re:How does this happen? (4, Insightful)

wiredlogic (135348) | about a year ago | (#45087277)

This is the Japanese nuclear industry. Somebody higher up the chain of command identified the wrong pipe to remove and the peons that had to do the work are socially conditioned to accept orders without question. This saves said superior from the embarrassment of having underlings point out his mistakes... until the mistakes can't be shoved under the rug where everyone can pretend they didn't happen.

Re:How does this happen? (1, Informative)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year ago | (#45087299)

please tell me which pipe is the correct on in this tiny fraction of a plumbing schematic for a power plant

http://carlwillis.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/p1020050.jpg [wordpress.com]
(that is 1 room of Chernobyl btw)

now bend it all up by being hit by a GOD DAMNED TSUNAMI

I am sure your C# is impressive, but seriously

Re:How does this happen? (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#45087365)

please tell me which pipe is the correct on in this tiny fraction of a plumbing schematic for a power plant

See, if I was actually qualified for, and responsible to do that, I might try.

That I don't know how to do it is irrelevant. That they don't know is appalling.

Because every place I've worked in that had extensive piping that carried dangerous stuff ... the piped were clearly labelled, and people had good schematics of them.

My dad makes hockey ice, and you can bet your ass that the pipes that carry ammonia for the cooling are all brightly labelled as such. And if the sensors detect anything, he and several other people are all getting paged to look at it right away, because an ammonia leak could wipe out a few city blocks.

Are you telling me the Japanese nuclear industry can't label pipes and keep good schematics, but people who make hockey ice are onto something new?

Sorry, not buying it.

Re:How does this happen? (1, Informative)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year ago | (#45087417)

did you not know the place was nearly destroyed?

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/03/16/1226022/657762-japan-reactor.jpg [news.com.au]

yea those tidy schematics are really helpful

Re:How does this happen? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087509)

You can't reason with stoddart. He just wants to run his cocksucker about how shitty nuclear power is and how awesome Clean Mitt Romney Coal is. Just give up.

Re:How does this happen? (1)

confused one (671304) | about a year ago | (#45088205)

If you ignore the catastrophic earthquake, tsunami, explosions and fire(s), you might have a point.

Re:How does this happen? (1)

vlueboy (1799360) | about a year ago | (#45087835)

I've worked in the software and IT industry for quite a few years, and in that time I've learned that there are things you do that need to be precise, because you can make a hell of a mess if you don't.

"Measure fifty times... cut ONCE."
Radioactivity justifies taking this koan as close to verbatim as possible.

Re:How does this happen? (1)

mdielmann (514750) | about a year ago | (#45088179)

Once again, I have to wonder if these guys are actually qualified to be running nuclear reactors. Because this is two accidents in a few days, and I get the impression that a lot of this was also caused by human error.

The mind boggles.

I guess it wasn't the Germans that bought the Springfield nuclear power plant. And then they used Homer as the model employee when HR went on a hiring spree.

Fatigue (4, Insightful)

MrKaos (858439) | about a year ago | (#45087165)

More than likely the workers are all getting fatigued and small mistakes are starting.

It's well beyond time for the Japanese government to bring the Japanese military in to bring this under control. After that an international effort to assist Japan in any way required. Even considering the pride of the nation as a factor it's now becoming an international problem for any country that shares the pacific ocean.

This is well beyond TEPCO's ability and expertise, they are a utilities company. Furthermore it was their negligence through nonfeasance that got us into this mess in the first place. A criminal investigation should be conducted and the future of the company considered.

Yup (1)

Phil Urich (841393) | about a year ago | (#45087271)

More than likely the workers are all getting fatigued and small mistakes are starting.

It's well beyond time for the Japanese government to bring the Japanese military in to bring this under control. After that an international effort to assist Japan in any way required. Even considering the pride of the nation as a factor it's now becoming an international problem for any country that shares the pacific ocean.

This is well beyond TEPCO's ability and expertise, they are a utilities company. Furthermore it was their negligence through nonfeasance that got us into this mess in the first place. A criminal investigation should be conducted and the future of the company considered.

Replying to you because I accidentally moderated "Offtopic" instead of "Insightful", oops. Apropos of your comment, I'm really tired today and it's been a long day at work.

Re:Fatigue (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087407)

Even considering the pride of the nation as a factor it's now becoming an international problem for any country that shares the pacific ocean.

You and your ilk are more of a problem than Tepco. You completely lack perspective and scale. Just because they can measure some contamination in parts per squillion in Oregon does not make this a real problem. Hell, they could dump the fucking slagged reactor core directly in the Pacific ocean and you would be safe across the Pacific.

Yes, the ocean is really that big.

Yes, you need to stop being so afraid of radioactivity. Nuclear power is the future. Unless you prefer *more* radioactivity in the air due to the use of coal fired power plants.

Anyway, calm down. No one died. It's doubtful anyone will even get cancer from this entire debacle.

Re:Fatigue (1)

MrKaos (858439) | about a year ago | (#45088229)

dump the fucking slagged reactor core directly in the Pacific ocean and you would be safe across the Pacific.

Your comment suggests you are unclear on the difference between radiation and radionuclide which illustrates you have a poor understanding of the situation. Whilst it is clear you are trolling Mr AC, you are also propagating misinformation and ignorance detrimental to both sides of this debate.

Re:Fatigue (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year ago | (#45087753)

Even considering the pride of the nation as a factor it's now becoming an international problem for any country that shares the pacific ocean.

If every bit of contaminanted water was dumped in the ocean, and raw seawater was pumped in for cooling and not collected, would the levels have an effect that would be measurable from the US? The ocean is pretty big. Japan does more harm with illegal whaling than this, and the US condones that.

Tohoku Earthquake Casualty Report (1, Informative)

gargleblast (683147) | about a year ago | (#45087287)

News from Fukushima? Excellent! Let me update my Tohoku Earthquake Casualty Report. Here it was yesterday:

Deaths..Injuries/Illness..Location/Cause
.....0.................2..Fukushima Daiichi NPP (Radiation exposure)
.....2................37..Fukushima Daiichi NPP (Earthquake / tsunami)
.15000..............6000..Rest of Japan

Here it is today:

Deaths..Injuries/Illness..Location/Cause
.....0.................2..Fukushima Daiichi NPP (Radiation exposure)
.....2................37..Fukushima Daiichi NPP (Earthquake / tsunami)
.15000..............6000..Rest of Japan

Re:Tohoku Earthquake Casualty Report (3, Insightful)

n3r0.m4dski11z (447312) | about a year ago | (#45088051)

and here is your little chart if we keep trusting mere mortals with the power to create a country sized wasteland:

Deaths..Injuries/Illness..Location/Cause
999999999999999999999999..Fukushima Daiichi NPP (Radiation exposure)
999999999999999999999999.Fukushima Daiichi NPP (Earthquake / tsunami)
999999999999999999999999..Rest of Japan

That is one hell of a 10,000year - 100,000 year long mistake. Which could very well happen at those timescales, even if its rare, even if its got 8 safeties. We are all fallible human beings running this shit after all. No amount of clean, "safe", cheap power should be worth the risk of generating pollution lasting tens of thousands of years.

Re:Tohoku Earthquake Casualty Report (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45088247)

Chemical sources of power and industrial activity often generate pollution lasting indefinite timescales, not just tens of thousands of years.

Nuclear power creates stuff that is radioactively hot for awhile. Not a super-long time. The stuff with the really long half-lives is by definition not so radioactive.

Yes, the waste is more radioactive than the input fuel for 10,000 to 50,000 years (and afterwards less). But it's really only super super radioactive for a few hundred years. A lot of the chemical waste we're making may still be a problem in millions.

Let's all do the TEPKO HAIKU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087337)

TEPCO Workers Remove Wrong Pipe
Get Splashed With Radioactive Water
Three Eyed Fish Swims Out

Re:Let's all do the TEPKO HAIKU (1)

turkeydance (1266624) | about a year ago | (#45087435)

TEPCO, Forrest Gump. Stupid is as Stupid Does. radioactive.

TEPCO still in charge (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about a year ago | (#45087473)

It is difficult to understand why TEPCO is still in charge. Their record for managing this mess is not appealing.

Radioactive is Now Only Toxic? (1)

BrendaEM (871664) | about a year ago | (#45087543)

I grow tired to reading with radiative elements and contaminated materials being labeled merely "toxic."

Sitting in a room for few hours with a closed bottle of bleach won't terminally wound you, not like the water leaking from the Fukishima plant.

Re:Radioactive is Now Only Toxic? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45087625)

Sitting in a room with an open bottle of bleach for a few hours, however might cause you issues, depending how large the bottle, and how small the room.
Sitting in a room and getting splashed with bleach unexpectedly probably *will* cause you issues more severe than what these folks will experience from this incident.

Living within 10 miles of a coal power plant means that *daily*, you're exposed to 10-100 times the radiation levels that the people around Fukishima have been exposed to. Coal-burning power plants release into the air more radioactive materials over a single decade than all nuclear power incidents in the history of the world, including Chernobyl and Fukishima. Bump that timeline up to 2 decades, and you can throw in every nuclear *weapon* incident in the world, including the two nukes we dropped on Japan.

But I guess we shouldn't let a little perspective interfere with your panic mongering.

Is this.... (1)

wcrisman (2022436) | about a year ago | (#45087667)

the plant where Homer Simpson is working?

RAC (1)

koan (80826) | about a year ago | (#45087945)

Radioactive Clown Music.

seriously? (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year ago | (#45087953)

My last post on this topic a couple days ago was "I'm starting to get the impression that Tepco only hired idiots." This has now been 100% confirmed.

Really silly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45088135)

So .... why not have colour coded pipes? It's not like the pipes are multiuse. Unless they don't want to freak the workers out.

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