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Shuttleworth: Apple Will Merge Mac and iPhone

Soulskill posted about 10 months ago | from the i-wish-my-laptop-had-just-one-button dept.

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Barence writes "Canonical founder Mark Shuttleworth claims Apple will follow Ubuntu's lead and converge the iPhone and MacBook product lines. Speaking to PC Pro to mark the upcoming launch of Ubuntu 13.10, Shuttleworth said that the failed Ubuntu Edge smartphone — an attempt to bridge mobile and desktop computing devices — had set an example that others will follow. 'We've seen a very interested ripple go through the industry, and an uptick in interest in convergence,' Shuttleworth added. 'People are saying yes, mobile processors are catching up with the desktop. When Apple announced the iPhone 5s, it called the processor "desktop-class," and I don't think that was an accident – it was sending what we think is a very clear signal that it will converge the iPhone and the MacBook Air.'"

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414 comments

Why did they not roll this out anyway? (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 10 months ago | (#45101069)

So why don't you roll it out now Mr.Shuttleworth?
You don't have to make hardware. You could even buy some Nexus devices and flash your OS on then sell them.

Re:Why did they not roll this out anyway? (2)

stewsters (1406737) | about 10 months ago | (#45101133)

Linux never has had a really good presence in the marketplace (exception:android). I have been debating installing it on my phone, but I don't really have money to replace it if I brick it.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [ubuntu.com]

Re:Why did they not roll this out anyway? (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 10 months ago | (#45101177)

You might want to add the following exceptions: networking devices, servers, appliances, automation, workstations, TVs and a shit load of other stuff.

You basically can't brick these devices. I would flash a build, but it is only for Maguro/Mako/Grouper/Manta and I have a Toro, which would mean no working cellular.

Re:Why did they not roll this out anyway? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101359)

You mean all those devices that freeze up, crash, or just plain don't work right until you cycle the power on them? Yeah. Wild success there.

Re:Why did they not roll this out anyway? (1)

stewsters (1406737) | about 10 months ago | (#45101417)

Ah, didn't realize they didn't support toro. That sucks. Hopefully they will support the nexus 5 [cnet.com] shortly after it comes out, and I hope I can buy one off contract like the nexus 4.

Re:Why did they not roll this out anyway? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 10 months ago | (#45101447)

I hope so too. I will be leaving VZW for that phone and because they are douchebags in general.

My failure was actually awesome success... (5, Insightful)

denzacar (181829) | about 10 months ago | (#45101241)

...only no one understands that yet.
That is why I predict that some day, someone successful will try doing the same thing I've failed at.
Which proves, regardless of success or failure of that theoretical venture I just described, how awesome and ahead of its time my concept was and how brilliant I am.

In fact, the failure I mention was not my failure at all - it was the failure of the world to recognize the opportunity to exploit my genius.

Re:My failure was actually awesome success... (2)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | about 10 months ago | (#45101347)

In fact, the failure I mention was not my failure at all - it was the failure of the world to recognize the opportunity to exploit my genius.

Sir Clive Sinclair talking about the C5?

car analogy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101435)

Electric motors are getting stronger and smaller, so I'll take this motor that can power a car and put it on a bike. Not only that, I'll make cars that look like bikes!

Fuck you, I want a car that looks like a car. That simple. It would be super cool to have a car and a bike which I could swap motors whenever I want, but I want each of them to bevahe as they are supposed to.

Re:car analogy (1)

graphius (907855) | about 10 months ago | (#45101833)

I met a guy once who had a V8 motorcycle. Why? Because he could... He admitted he was too scared to open it up...

Re:Why did they not roll this out anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101431)

So what do you think they are doing right now? As you surely know, they didn't stop developing the mobile version, just didn't go forward with the Edge hw.

Next generation of the iWatch capability? (2, Interesting)

lw54 (73409) | about 10 months ago | (#45101087)

I can't decide if this is brilliant or stupid. Perhaps Apple could one day create a laptop shell fitted for a phone but not until Apple first pulls off the iWatch. I see this concept being an extension of wirelessly transferring functionality to another device as the Phone Watch combo should provide. Am I being short-sighted here?

Re:Next generation of the iWatch capability? (0)

PoliTech (998983) | about 10 months ago | (#45101491)

It's neither, it's desperation. The announcement comes a day or two after MS announced (rumored/leaked whatever) that the Win Phone 8 OS is going to be ported to the small tablet form factor (7 to 9 inch). While Apple wastes time on the Dick Tracy watch wanna-be , MS is racing with Google in attempting to take a larger bite of tablet market share pie.

I love pie

Re:Next generation of the iWatch capability? (3, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 10 months ago | (#45101679)

Yeah, Apple will never catch Google or Microsoft in the tablet space...

(snicker... Microsoft!? really?)

Re:Next generation of the iWatch capability? (1)

PoliTech (998983) | about 10 months ago | (#45101813)

You must be pretty young ... or old ... to not know about Apple in the 1990's. A larger bite of market share does not necessarily compute to "Catching Apple" but since you brought it up, my Apple Copland OS is pretty bad ass!

Re:Next generation of the iWatch capability? (5, Funny)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 10 months ago | (#45101709)

MS is racing with Google in attempting to take a larger bite of tablet market share pie

That's mostly apple pie, buddy.

Shuttleworth works for the NSA (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101095)

I simply cannot believe anyone who works for Canonical any longer.

In 2009, Jane Silber became the CEO of Canonical in 2009. Canonical makes Ubuntu.

Jane Silber's previous job was at that military contractor, namely the C4 Division of General Dynamics. It turns out that at the C4 Systems division is all about using computers for spying.

From their website: "General Dynamics C4 Systems is a trusted leader in the development of intelligence and information gathering systems for national defense and homeland security. These systems are designed to receive, process, exploit and disseminate information -- in different forms and often from different networks -- and distribute relevant information to operators, both in the field and at higher headquarters."

The Register story about Jane Silber. [channelregister.co.uk]

In 2012, G.D. C4 Systems gave 96% of its $14,000 of campaign contributions to Republicans, which could suggest C4's leadership takes a hawkish attitude about war and has a disregard for human rights. OpenSecrets link.

Re:Shuttleworth works for the NSA (2, Insightful)

kamapuaa (555446) | about 10 months ago | (#45101249)

Right, I've been saying this for years. Before that, she worked in Japan, where the government has been refusing the apologize for war atrocities for years. Even today, Koreans aren't recognized at Hiroshima, despite being one fourth of the death toll. Why is Jane Silber anti-Korean? Why does Ubuntu hold a racist ideology?

And let's not even get started on her work for General Health, a health risk assessment firm.

Re:Shuttleworth works for the NSA (5, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about 10 months ago | (#45101271)

My last job was corrosion testing. I would test various materials and coatings for their corrosion resistance - basically, I would make things rust.

My current job is building robotic assembly equipment. Despite my last job, I do not make the robots rust.

Re:Shuttleworth works for the NSA (5, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 10 months ago | (#45101333)

You know you always have that urge ,deep inside you, eating at you all day.

Re:Shuttleworth works for the NSA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101335)

You've never suggested a slight improvement to the robots you are working on so as to improve their resistance to rusting during your tenure at the robot company? That sounds irresponsible.

Re:Shuttleworth works for the NSA (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about 10 months ago | (#45101481)

LOL, well I did suggest that the magnesium parts they were using might not work out so well...

Re:Shuttleworth works for the NSA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101583)

that's just what you want us to think. nice try comrade.

Re:Shuttleworth works for the NSA (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101351)

Oh god! Someone used to have a job somewhere else and now they're using their proprietary open source code base that no one can check to secretly spy on us because they must be somehow still linked to their previous employer. Anyone who works for a place that we don't like should have their ear cut off so we can easily identify them. What's if she's a member of the New World Order, or worse, what if she's secretly a zionist Joo?

C4 Systems gave 96% of its $14,000 of campaign contributions to Republicans

$14,000 huh? That's fucking nothing. NOTHING Elections take millions, if not billions. $14K might as well be a fucking joke.

which could suggest C4's leadership takes a hawkish attitude about war and has a disregard for human rights.

Yeah, I guess it could be taken that way, if you're delusional. Stop making us liberals look bad with this nonsense. You're no better than the idiots who say that anyone who donates a dollar to the democrats should be hanged for inciting socialist revolution. Fuck off.

Shame on the idiots who modded you up. They need to have their mod privileges revoked.

Re:Shuttleworth works for the NSA (1)

Pubstar (2525396) | about 10 months ago | (#45101821)

I'm going to play the devil's advocate here - Ubuntu is the release of Linux that is not necessarily meant for the most tech savvy users, and it may not be as closed monitored as other, more security focused Linux distributions. It may be easier to get something passed everyone since people aren't watching it as closely. That's not saying it can't be caught, but that it might take longer to find.

On the other hand, someone that makes systems meant for spying probably has a firm grasp on security systems and how to protect against them (due to being the nature of the breaches). It could be viewed as something good. I reserve judgement on this issue until the person has shown to be trustworthy or not. Its a moot point though, as I run Linux Mint on all my machines running Linux.

Re:Shuttleworth works for the NSA (1)

lesincompetent (2836253) | about 10 months ago | (#45101529)

Your point is moot until you find an actual backdoor.

Too much credit (4, Interesting)

NineNine (235196) | about 10 months ago | (#45101103)

Hilarious article. Shuttleworth is giving himself entire too much credit. Is Apple is doing this, they won't be following his failure. They'll be following Microsoft's still-in-process move of trying to combine the two.

Re:Too much credit (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 10 months ago | (#45101223)

Comparing them Shuttleworth seems to at least be losing far less money doing it.

Re:Too much credit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101307)

Indeed. Mark needs to shut the fuck up until Canonical turns a profit, which it so far hasn't done... ever! He obviously thinks he's at the forefront of Linux, but failed projects like MIR and Ubuntu Edge have proved otherwise. He needs to scrounge up what money he has left and make a 2nd trip out to space, but this time stay there.

Re:Too much credit (4, Insightful)

dirtyhippie (259852) | about 10 months ago | (#45101387)

The hilarious bit isn't that Shuttleworth says this, but that someone thought it was news that he did.

Re:Too much credit (4, Insightful)

supremebob (574732) | about 10 months ago | (#45101401)

Yeah, I love the ego of this guy. He seems to forget that Ubuntu's market share is still puny compared to Apple and Microsoft, and nobody is "following his lead" on anything.

Honestly, I doubt that many outside of the Linux community are even paying all that much attention to his statements.

Re:Too much credit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101723)

Honestly, I doubt that many outside of the Linux community are even paying all that much attention to his statements.

I doubt many on the inside of the Linux community do so either.

Re:Too much credit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101727)

Nah, he's a clown inside the Linux community too. If you really mean only the constantly diminishing portion of the constantly diminishing Ubuntu-using population that still listen to this guy, then yes they pay attention, but who cares?

Re: Too much credit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101713)

Wait a year or two when Apple announces this very convergence as their own amazing new invention and the tech sites all hail it as the second coming of Jesus.

idiots (2, Insightful)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 10 months ago | (#45101109)

NOBODY WANTS THIS! Who's running Apple, Balmer? They seem to think I want some super-computer-phone. Here's what I want in a computing device: a full sized keyboard, a full sized display, extremely fast responsiveness, gigabit, 500+ GB of storage, a video card capable of gaming, actual games, real software, and a DVD drive. That's called a computer, NOT a phone!

Nobody anywhere has the patience to sit there and create a powerpoint presentation for a school project on a damn phone no matter how fast it allegedly is. You give me a keyboard and 19" display, I'll make 50 powerpoints in the time it took you to make one in this superphone they're planning. Now take that example and apply it to anything anyone would ever do on a computer ever and you'll see my point.

Re:idiots (4, Insightful)

rumpsummoner (1021011) | about 10 months ago | (#45101157)

Yep, phones are for consuming things, and in a pinch, they can kind of limp along at creating things. Computers are for creating.

Re:idiots (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 10 months ago | (#45101239)

So what do you think happens when you add a bluetooth keyboard and mouse plus a full display via HDMI?

If I could do that I would not need a desktop at work. I just need a web browser and ssh.

Re:idiots (5, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | about 10 months ago | (#45101377)

Even if you do that tablet and phone OS's don't work great. Everything runs full screen all the time. One of the perks of having a big full screen is having enough room to work with multiple windows.

The simple reality is that the windowed application concept is incredibly useful, mature, and powerful. I can understand why it doesn't work on small mobile devices and why they don't use it there, but its foolish to hobble a desktop system by making it match the design choices of a mobile platform. Particularly when those design choices were made because of limitations that don't exist on the desktop.

Re:idiots (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 10 months ago | (#45101477)

Take a deep breath.

The whole point is that when this stuff is attached you fire up a different window manager. There is no reason you could not fire up gnome when HDMI is attached.

Re:idiots (3)

Microlith (54737) | about 10 months ago | (#45101637)

Even if you do that tablet and phone OS's don't work great. Everything runs full screen all the time.

I know, doesn't that suck? It's also impossible to change! They're forever stuck operating in that mode and no one knows why...

its foolish to hobble a desktop system by making it match the design choices of a mobile platform.

No joke! Too bad you can't, you know, dynamically swap between interfaces or something. But for some reason it's impossible...

Re:idiots (4, Insightful)

rumpsummoner (1021011) | about 10 months ago | (#45101423)

I think you have a big screen and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse hooked to an OS that sucks for those devices. I also think you have a bunch of software not written for those interfaces. But what do I know. Maybe it will be fine. Currently I don't like it. Maybe someone will do it in a way that makes it awesome.

Re:idiots (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 10 months ago | (#45101489)

What about the OS sucks for those devices?

Please explain. I think you mean the window manager sucks. The fun thing about linux is you can have more than one. So run something like unity when in phone mode and then fire up gnome when the HDMI is connected.

Re: idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101277)

okay you really hit it spot-on .. computers are for creating, and phones are for consuming.. so you deserve to be clued in a little more: We do not want you to create anymore, thank you very much, we want you to consume and be passive.

Re: idiots (1)

rumpsummoner (1021011) | about 10 months ago | (#45101457)

Yea, you're right. I have a laptop I'm looking to trade. Let the consuming begin!

Re:idiots (1)

Dracos (107777) | about 10 months ago | (#45101495)

Tablets are the same.

Touch (even multi-touch) is a step backward in human computer interfaces.

Re:idiots (1)

Andtalath (1074376) | about 10 months ago | (#45101169)

Docking the phone to a keyboard and screen is what is interesting.
Or in a laptop.

Or a phone in a tablet in a keyboard.

And so forth.

Not sure this will be the future, but it's a neat concept.

Re:idiots (1)

jerk (38494) | about 10 months ago | (#45101523)

Oh yeah, seemed to work well for Motorola, they sold tens of hundreds of Atrix phones!

And don't forget the wildly popular Asus PadFone products.

Docking is pointless nowadays... (3, Interesting)

denzacar (181829) | about 10 months ago | (#45101707)

Docking is a concept from back in the day, when laptops were significantly smaller in dimensions than "real" honest-to-god workstations and when connecting to various peripherals meant dealing with a bunch of cables, not all of which your average laptop could be connected to at the same time, and when syncing over various computers was a nuisance.

Also, one of the main reasons for laptop size was not elegance or even portability (they were quite heavy, compared to their abilities, thanks to those old hardware components and batteries) - but screen size.
Small screen + small, often even incomplete keyboard + alternative pointing solutions that were never as useful of precise as a mouse + short battery life + not enough ports to plug in all those wired peripherals = need for docking.

You need docking if you need to connect to a bigger screen, a wired network, another separate cable for a printer, one more for a scanner, one for a modem, perhaps an external CD or floppy drive...
All of that, apart from the bigger screen, can be done over wifi/bluetooth.
Or is not needed anymore - like that old 14400 modem.
Meanwhile all your files now fit neatly inside your laptop, can be transferred to other devices without the use of cables, or you keep them online.

Which leaves only 3 devices you'd need a dock for - bigger screen, full-size keyboard and full-size/full-function mouse.
None of which can really get smaller than they need to be. Even screens actually got bigger, only losing their backside.

All of the peripherals that you need docking to ALREADY TAKE UP SO MUCH SPACE YOU CAN JUST AS WELL ADD A FULL-BLOWN COMPUTER.
Like inside the screen.

The only reason left for docking is cost-saving.
By paying way too much for memory and processing power jammed into a tiny phone instead of using off the shelf components which are dirt cheap and super fast in comparison.

Re:idiots (4, Informative)

TimHunter (174406) | about 10 months ago | (#45101213)

No need to get your panties all in a wad. Apple is not saying this. Somebody else (namely Shuttleworth) who doesn't actually know shit about Apple's plans is saying it.

Re:idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101289)

No need to get your panties all in a wad. Apple is not saying this. Somebody else (namely Shuttleworth) who doesn't actually know shit about Apple's plans is saying it.

Right, he can't afford the kind of industrial espionage it would take to have a fair idea of what Apple is planning. Now if somebody at Samsung was saying this I'd put some stock in it, they have deep pockets.

Re:idiots (1)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | about 10 months ago | (#45101251)

This is part of the war against general purpose computing.

Re:idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101703)

I wouldn't call it a war against - more of a affect that "most" people don't want a general computing device - they want a consumption device for the most part. They bought PC's in the past for that purpose.

You better hope Mr. Shuttleworth succeeds with his project or be prepared to spend big dollars on a general computing device in the future, because they will be targeted toward businesses only (bigger pockets). A few more generations of tablets and even the student/home content creator will be just fine with a large tablet/keyboard combo.

Re:idiots (1)

supremebob (574732) | about 10 months ago | (#45101467)

At some point, the CPU's built into phones will be powerful enough to handle most desktop applications for businesses without a noticeable performance hit. We're not quite there yet, though. Maybe in three or four more years, perhaps.

Hard core gamers will always want the latest $500 video card from AMD or Nvidia, though... and there will likely continue to be a niche market to support them. Everyone else will continue to buy whatever laptop they can get from their employer or for under $600 from Newegg or Best Buy.

Re:idiots (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about 10 months ago | (#45101599)

Worse is a phone interface on your super-computer.

Re:idiots (5, Insightful)

jeremyp (130771) | about 10 months ago | (#45101607)

NOBODY WANTS THIS! Who's running Apple, Balmer?

If you read the article, you'll realise that this is not Apple, but Mark Shuttleworth claiming to know what Apple are going to do. It is like me saying "Linus Torvalds is going to implement the Win32 API directly and you saying "who is running Linux? Steve Balmer?"

It's quite funny actually. He admits his own attempt failed to reach its crowd funding target, but the support he did get "blew him away" which implies that he was never expecting the crowd funding target to be met.

The rest of your post is exactly why Apple would be stupid to consider merging their laptop and tablet lines.

Re:idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101753)

I think you didn't get the point, all your data and app are on the smartphone, then, when you need bigger display and keyboards you connect wireless to a display and keyboard, got it?

Apple's actions say they won't (5, Insightful)

danaris (525051) | about 10 months ago | (#45101149)

Everything Apple has been doing since the iPhone has come out has been moving in one direction: Two operating systems, built on a common core, which share various elements that make sense.

Apple is not Microsoft. They don't think you have to have "one OS to rule them all." Apple knows that what's good for a touchscreen device is not as good for a traditional laptop or desktop.

Yes, they have taken some features from iOS and moved them over to Mac OS X. However, they're almost universally optional and/or superficial. You never have to use Launchpad if you don't want, and all the autosaving features can be disabled if you prefer to work under the more traditional document management paradigm.

This idea is one that has been often proclaimed quite loudly by critics of Apple who say that everything's going to be locked down and if you buy a Mac, it'll be exactly like an iPad with a keyboard, but it doesn't have any real basis in reality.

Dan Aris

Re:Apple's actions say they won't (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101235)

Look, it's the same people saying that the iPhone SDK wouldn't locked down like the iTunes SDK.

Re:Apple's actions say they won't (1)

DarkOx (621550) | about 10 months ago | (#45101295)

Well the direction I think it really ought to go is one OS multiple interfaces. I don't *need* a different filesystem on phone vs laptop, certainly don't want different calendar apps, mail apps, etc.

The CPUs are getting plenty powerful. When the device is mobile should down some cores to control power. Put into the laptop case; the other cores get powered up, the bus is connected and the OS sees the additional peripherals. Maybe a more powerful graphics processor, additional storage, keyboard, large display, etc.

Fire up the OSX Aqua interface and let me go to town. "Apps" can be written to support one interface or both, they query an API to determine which interface is being used "portable/touch" or "PC" and load their appropriate interface library on start up, same App sharing all logic that can be abstracted for the UI.

Many people don't need multiple computers, what they need is a device that moves easily between interfaces.

Re:Apple's actions say they won't (1, Insightful)

nbritton (823086) | about 10 months ago | (#45101399)

Everything Apple has been doing since the iPhone has come out has been moving in one direction: Two operating systems, built on a common core, which share various elements that make sense.

Apple is not Microsoft. They don't think you have to have "one OS to rule them all." Apple knows that what's good for a touchscreen device is not as good for a traditional laptop or desktop.

Really? God help us if they merge the iOS7 interface into MacOS. Frankly I feel they have lost direction with the passing of Jobs. They do really stupid things now, like emulate the look, and behavior, of Android.

Re:Apple's actions say they won't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101691)

I'm not sure about that. It has been known since 2007 that Apple is tinkering with Mac OS X on ARM. Now that Apple has their own version of ARM, how long before they eye the Intel processor and think "not invented here." Apple is notorious for not conforming to any standard they don't have to. The step from Intel to an Apple ARM processor is the first step to this and it's going to happen probably within 5 years.

Big assumption... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101167)

In my opinion, Mr. Shuttleworth makes big assumptions of Apple's OS strategy. Yes, there is so far a bit of not unreasonable convergence in a sensible way, butthat does not mean that the environments will merge, I ex

mac going app store only may as well kill it (-1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 10 months ago | (#45101173)

In less

apple let's up on it's censorship.

give more pricing control having bulk sales be the choice of 0% off or 50% off is not good for app dev's. Also let them have upgrade pricing as well.

takes less then 30% cut for high cost apps I think quark does not pay $254 per sale in fees / costs to sell.

lets dev's post free apps with no fees to be in the store.

Apple get away with everything (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 10 months ago | (#45101515)

In less

apple let's up on it's censorship.

give more pricing control having bulk sales be the choice of 0% off or 50% off is not good for app dev's. Also let them have upgrade pricing as well.

takes less then 30% cut for high cost apps I think quark does not pay $254 per sale in fees / costs to sell.

lets dev's post free apps with no fees to be in the store.

Clearly you have not been paying attention. Apple get away with everything. Lose a court case...get a free pass from the president, even after laughing at him that the would not assemble in America, against a company that manufactures in America.

Apple promised to have a standards connector,, to be more green...ships another propriety connector. Not considered Green any-more due to turning its computers into disposable electronics, Government changes rules making Apple Green.

Phone too slow to run Flash, despite thousands of games and videos still using it. Flash is at fault despite running ofn competitors phones...and yet still without a viable replacement. years later.

Don't want to pay % of phone for patents for FRAND...doesn't have to, bullies others for design patents...and that does include a rectangle with round corners, and a few minor interface patents.

Won't fix machines if wet or smoke...and then only with old parts, and less than the statutory requirements.

Hell they not only don't pay tax ANYWHERE, they sit and lie about it and again get a free pass, even when they have ibonds to deliberately blatantly should pay tax.

The only example I can think of is when they were ordered Apple to publicly state that Samsung did not copy...and they acted in predicable childish manner...again to little consequence.

Apple have no consequences, fortunately they have little market share, due to their incompatible, closed, cheap products sold at high prices.

17 inches (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101183)

Canonical founder Mark Shuttleworth claims Apple will follow Ubuntu's lead and converge the iPhone and MacBook product lines.

So, Apple is going to have an iPhone with a 17 inch screen?

Re:17 inches (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101531)

Do you even know what the Ubuntu Edge was? This convergence is not Microsoft's idea of lets push the same UI on all devices, this is using the compute power of your phone to make your desktop essentially worthless. The Edge would have had Ubuntu Touch when you are using the phone, and when you plug in a monitor it would switch to a full Ubuntu desktop (two different UIs).

I could see Apple doing this eventually, but having to re-release everything in a ARM architecture is a major hurdle.

An example that others will follow (4, Funny)

TheloniousToady (3343045) | about 10 months ago | (#45101187)

Imitation of a failed example is the sincerest form of flattery.

Windows Phone is on this track. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101189)

The upcoming update to Windows Phone 8 is heading towards more binary compatibility, so it doesn't seem that far off the track that Apple would also go towards that. Doing that while keeping the desktop relatively "open" is going to be the challenge. Perhaps there will be a place for Ubuntu Phone in the future. I could definitely see it working out that way.

Form factor? (1)

babymac (312364) | about 10 months ago | (#45101191)

Personally, I'd love to see such a thing. It would be great not having to travel with both a laptop and a phone. It would also be great to have your phone function as your computer and to be able to use that computer with any display, keyboard and mouse that happen to be nearby. However -- there is that question of form factor. No one wants to do serious work on a tiny phone display, so especially in travel situations you would need to take a proper display, keyboard and mouse -- in other words, a laptop. Someone else already hinted at a laptop "shell" form factor that would just function as a dock for smartphone. But really what company would want to sell the shell when they could just as easily sell a full fledged laptop? And wouldn't traveling with the shell defeat the purpose of traveling light and "discarding" the laptop?

Re:Form factor? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 10 months ago | (#45101227)

also phones have limited ram and storage. 3g/4g/LTE is not all over has small caps and very high roaming costs.

An apple dual phone / laptop may need sd slot's / usb ports.

Re:Form factor? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 10 months ago | (#45101257)

Over 2GB of RAM is limited? 64GB of disk?

Wifi is found on all these devices. USB on the Go already exists for that purpose.

Ahem, back when we wore onions on our belts, it was the fashion at the time, we were plenty happy with MBs of RAM and Disk.

Re:Form factor? (1)

babymac (312364) | about 10 months ago | (#45101667)

Not just 64GB of storage I hope. The Crossbar RRAM technology should provide at least 1 TB of storage on phones in the near future. If the technology is as easy to manufacture as they say and it's licensed widely, it should be successful.

Re:Form factor? (1)

mjr167 (2477430) | about 10 months ago | (#45101715)

2GB of RAM is a limit :) Technically all computers have RAM/disk limitations.

Are these limits sufficient for your needs? Depends on what you are doing.

MS has already done this... (3, Insightful)

SpoonStomper (1330973) | about 10 months ago | (#45101199)

Microsoft is already doing this with Windows 8. http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/windows-phone-8-and-windows-8-share-lots-of-code-nt-kernel/ [engadget.com] But Ubuntu and Apple are the innovators... lame...

Re:MS has already done this... (3, Insightful)

HerculesMO (693085) | about 10 months ago | (#45101219)

Was looking for this comment, though you're already modded down.

Shuttleworth has had limited success with Ubuntu in terms of a monetary return, so showing himself as an "innovator" (and we all love the new UI don't we?) is kind of laughable.

Re:MS has already done this... (1)

SpoonStomper (1330973) | about 10 months ago | (#45101343)

Yeah, they love MS around here.

Re:MS has already done this... (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about 10 months ago | (#45101367)

I just tried to use Windows 8 for a year, hating but tolerating it. Last week I found out the hard way that the built-in backup in Windows 8 doesn't make an image to recover from in Windows 7. So despite using two-different backup solutions, I still had to re-install all of my Applications again. Faced with throwing money at a decent imaging backup solution or just putting 7 on the machine, the choice became obvious.

I don't think we need that kind of "innovation" on the Desktop, where I can actually use things like "hover", "double-click", and multiple mouse buttons with a scroll wheel. On the tablet side, you don't have to gimp the touch interface so that it is still navigable with a mouse.

Re:MS has already done this... (2)

SpoonStomper (1330973) | about 10 months ago | (#45101633)

I'm on Windows 8 and I'll never go back to 7 without a fight. After about a few hours of figuring things out I could navigate the OS and get to where I needed to be as fast or faster than on 7. Backup? -- I work in VM's because Windows 8 Pro has Hyper-V. Probably simply the best advancement for a developer. Before we go all Virtual Box crazy... Hyper-V is built-in and functions much better..

Makes sense (2)

shione (666388) | about 10 months ago | (#45101201)

In fact one of the reasons for microsoft making that abomination of an os windows 8 was because they thought apple was very close to coming out with a os with ios and osx combined together.

Combining osx and ios together would make a lot of sense for apple because osx lacks games while ios lacks serious programs for content creation. Putting the two together will give apple the perfect os for content consumption and content creation to better take on windows.

when you consider that valve will be coming out with a linux based os to play steam games and microsoft shutting down gfwl, there is getting less and less compelling reasons to own windows. Even programs like ms office and autocad can be found on osx.

Re:Makes sense (1)

SpoonStomper (1330973) | about 10 months ago | (#45101655)

Windows 8 is the best desktop environment there is. If you seriously cannot get around the tiled start menu if you so desire put the computer down. Window Button, Type, Search, Find .. simple..

Following Ubuntu? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 10 months ago | (#45101209)

Jesus, if Apple is following Ubuntu, then Canonical is following me, because I posted here in 2008 that Apple would eventually have a "Mac Mode" on their iPhones so it could work with a wireless KVM as a desktop computing environment, just as soon as the CPU and bandwidth were available on some sort of Moore's Law curve, and that would end the Mac.

But to me, that's obvious to somebody 'skilled in the art' and I wouldn't egotistically assume anybody who implemented this was following me. Nor do I expect a paycheck from Shuttleworth anytime soon.

64-bit processor seems to indicate it (1)

Andtalath (1074376) | about 10 months ago | (#45101217)

I was having pretty much the same thought myself.

Why would you want a 64-bit processor on a phone?

The two possible answers is:
1: They want to prepare for the future where you would actually want that, and by enabling it now they will start moving developers over.
2: They want to make a desktop version of iOS, probably with the aqua layer as a possibility (and since iOS basically runs the same kernel as OSX it should be quite easy to tack on) which will create hybrids.

With a lightning connector, it should be quite easy to create a sexy product which can do a little bit of everything.

Re:64-bit processor seems to indicate it (2)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 10 months ago | (#45101313)

Why would you want a 64-bit processor on a phone?

The ARM 64 chip runs iOS software faster in 64 bit mode than in 32 bit mode _right now_, so that's a reason.

Moreover, the ARM architecture has changed by removing instructions that limit the clock speed in 64 bit mode. So you _could_ increase clock speed with the same technology if you change 32 bit code to take more cycles. Once most apps are available in 32/64 bit, that can be done and you get a nice jump in clock speed at no additional cost.

Re:64-bit processor seems to indicate it (4, Insightful)

Henriok (6762) | about 10 months ago | (#45101319)

I was having pretty much the same thought myself.

Why would you want a 64-bit processor on a phone?

The answer right now is: A processor with the ARMv8 ISA will be more powerful per clock and draw less power per clock and use less transistors per area than the previous ARMv7 would allow. It'll be a cheaper, faster and less power consuming than its predecessors. THAT'S the reason. Let's do it. Oh, it'll be 64-bit with no drawbacks too since we already have all the software tools and knowhow to make the leap, so let's do that too.

Re:64-bit processor seems to indicate it (1)

CaptainAx (606247) | about 10 months ago | (#45101839)

ARMv9 is better than any of this.

Re:64-bit processor seems to indicate it (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about 10 months ago | (#45101455)

The two possible answers is:

I think there is a third, which is sort of related to your number 1:
3. ARM is clearly moving toward 64-bit. If you are redesigning your processor anyway, are you going to make a new 32-bit chip that won't last into the days where phones get more RAM, or are you going to go with the modern architecture that you can stick in your cheaper phones going forward?

And of course having a "desktop class" portable chip of their own does expand their flexibility in laptop offerings, but ARM still can't touch Intel right now at the mid-to-high end laptop game where Apple has a market.

Is Shuttleworth fucking stupid? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101229)

Seriously, though!

Canonical forces a mobile interface on a desktop OS; Flops

Microsoft forces a mobile interface on a desktop OS; Flops even harder

Shuttleworth:"Apple will merge their mobile and desktop platforms"

Not if they're smart, Mark, not if they're smart...

Failure Is Success, Up Is Down (2)

MidnightBrewer (97195) | about 10 months ago | (#45101247)

So Mark thinks his failure is the obvious blueprint for Apple's success? Interesting.

Re:Failure Is Success, Up Is Down (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101315)

also Microsoft's failure

Yuchhh! (2)

pigiron (104729) | about 10 months ago | (#45101255)

Apple has been mucking up the Mac OS user interface ever since 10.4. Ever look at the latest version of iTunes on the Mac? It constantly flips into a stupid simplistic iPod interface where it scrolls backwards like you're dragging your finger and everything is a dead flat icon with no drill down hierarchy especially when at the iTumes Store. I hate it, the ultimate dumbing down of the Mac. Next thing you know they will be getting rid of the terminal window and console and we'll all be back to Windows 3.1.

Re:Yuchhh! (3)

jeremyp (130771) | about 10 months ago | (#45101739)

I'm looking at it now, I have no idea what you are talking about.

They have to do something (2, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 10 months ago | (#45101267)

Apple have neglected the computing products for a long time (even removed "computers" from its name), and have made no secret of making its(not your) computers, non-upgradable, disposable electronics, rather than General purpose machines, The move to 64-bit arm is a heartbeat away, with the dream of a touchcreen iPad. I wish them success.

The reality is its computing sales have dropped for 4 quarters, and it looks like this will be another quarter of its sales dropping faster than the PC market...even with Windows 8 as a dead weight.

It looks like linux is going to continue to be the only bright spot in an otherwise lackluster market. The Irony of years of "Year of Linux" meme is kind of sad how quickly Microsoft and Apple gave there duopoly away (at least Apple still has 13% of the smartphone market)

Hardware != Software (1)

bradgoodman (964302) | about 10 months ago | (#45101369)

Worst idea ever. There are "computers" and there are "mobile devices". The do different things and serve different purposes. History keeps repeating this. Tablets are not laptops. Tablets are great for watching porn, but people don't use them for serious, high-end productivity. (I am at work, typing this on a workstation, not an iPad).

Just because the two may have the same CPU ( which let's say for the sake of argument - they will) - it'doesn't mean people want an "iOS experience" on a MacBook pro. Chances are if they did - they would have bought an iPad. If they want a keyboard and a mouse (which they probably do - or they'd by an iPad) - they are probably doing things that are less condicive to the iOS-type "touch" interface. They want mouse control (which is more accurate than "touch", and doesn't require lifing one's hands up or far from the keyboard for extended or repetitive sets of time) - a keyboard - and possibly a multi-windowed environment - which they can do for a lot of stuff. They might be doing a lot of word processing, layout - or running XCode. They need to install their OWN SOFTWARE (without the restrictions and complications of Apple's certificates, licensince, AppStore, etc).

So I could see them packaging it as an "iPad with a keyboard" - but it would be a different product - and not a "replacement" for the Air or any other laptop.

"the failed ubuntu edge" (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 10 months ago | (#45101419)

> Speaking to PC Pro to mark the upcoming launch of Ubuntu 13.10, Shuttleworth said that the failed Ubuntu Edge smartphone — an attempt to bridge mobile and desktop computing devices — had set an example that others will follow.

Perhaps, especially the "failed" part.

Although Apple execs are probably contractually forbidden to mention Microsoft, there's been two failed attempts so far to bridge mobile and desktop computing devices. It's going to be interesting to see what Apple comes up with. The learning so far has been that the same interface tends not to work on mobile and desktop.

TIDYAD (1)

Zaphod-AVA (471116) | about 10 months ago | (#45101427)

TIDYAD.

Because that worked so well with Windows 8. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101499)

When are the idiots in upper management tech going to realize that no one in their right mind wants anything to do with touch on the desktop?

Maybe Windows 8 is a bad implimentation (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 10 months ago | (#45101569)

When are the idiots in upper management tech going to realize that no one in their right mind wants anything to do with touch on the desktop?

I want touch screen on my Desktop. I would pay serious money to access my Google Play games on my Linux Desktop in a Window, What I don't want is Windows 8 interface or Gnome 3, or be tied to any touchscreen only interface.

Not an original prediction (1)

wjcofkc (964165) | about 10 months ago | (#45101573)

People have been making similar predictions about the convergence of the two platforms since long before the Edge was announced. Albeit fancifully as no one making said predictions ever seems to be taking themselves entirely seriously. It is an interesting idea to bat around now and then, but is aloof and aloft for the foreseeable future.

So, it's been confirmed then? (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 10 months ago | (#45101685)

OS X is dying... All the rampant speculation over the years is finally panning out. When do the 27 inch iPhones hit the shelves?

Lol Shuttleworth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45101801)

Nuff said.

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