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Battlefield Director: Linux Only Needs One 'Killer' Game To Explode

timothy posted 1 year,10 days | from the seems-optimistic dept.

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dryriver writes with an except from Polygon's interview with DICE creative directory Lars Gustavsson, who says it would only take one "killer" game for Linux to break into mainstream gaming (something some would argue it already has): "We strongly want to get into Linux for a reason," Gustavsson said. "It took Halo for the first Xbox to kick off and go crazy — usually, it takes one killer app or game and then people are more than willing [to adopt it] — it is not hard to get your hands on Linux, for example, it only takes one game that motivates you to go there." "I think, even then, customers are getting more and more convenient, so you really need to convince them how can they marry it into their daily lives and make an integral part of their lives," he explained, sharing that the studio has used Linux servers because it was a "superior operating system to do so." Valve's recently announced Steam OS and Steam Machines are healthy for the console market, Gustavsson said when asked for his opinion on Valve's recent announcements."

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YOLD! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111625)

Finally, The Year Of The Linux Desktop has come!

Re:YOLD! (4, Funny)

craigminah (1885846) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111645)

Yeah, hopefully it will run on my shiney new G5 PowerBook which also is finally here.

Re:YOLD! (-1, Flamebait)

djdanlib (732853) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111733)

Don't worry, you will be able to boot to a text-mode console and fiddle endlessly with X server dependency hell trying to get a graphical environment going.

Re:YOLD! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111805)

Don't worry, you will be able to boot to a text-mode console and fiddle endlessly with X server dependency hell trying to get a graphical environment going.

Ah, I see your problem. You must be running a Linux distro from 10 years ago. I know your uptime is probably the stuff of legends right now, but maybe you ought to think about upgrading to a modern Linux distro if you want to play games.

Re:YOLD! (3, Informative)

PopeRatzo (965947) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111935)

you ought to think about upgrading to a modern Linux distro

Yeah, like SteamOS.

Re:YOLD! (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112119)

I'm thinking SteamOS is going to have some problems running on a PowerPC device. :)

Re:YOLD! (-1, Flamebait)

aaronb1138 (2035478) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111749)

I just don't get why all the obsession or importance of making Linux the desktop or Linux the gaming platform. Given the poor maintainability of Linux as a highly heterogeneous platform compared to Windows, this makes even less sense. If the argument is to get rid of Microsoft dominance and influence, then why are the proposed champions even less trustworthy, namely Google and Valve (Android & Steam respectively) who have a vastly worse record of maintaining backwards support for software or hardware.

Re:YOLD! (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111829)

ignoring your FUD about Google and Valve, there are good reasons why it's important for Linux to be viable as a desktop environment. The main reason is that the other two main contenders seem to be moving towards a more 'controlled' sort of environment where they get a cut of all software sold and can allow or disallow whatever they want. Apple seems to be moving OSX towards the iOS model, with some iCloud features only available to software sold through their OSX app store. Microsoft, now that they are no longer being monitored closely for anti-competitive behaviour has had the way paved by iOS, and is implementing the same model with 'Metro'. You'll start to see the 'classic' interface an installation model lose support in future versions. That 30% cut looks pretty good to them.

Valve can see what's happening and wants to get ahead of the pack. They want to deploy on an open platform.

I want to be able to install any software I want without having to have it 'approved' by someone, and I'd like to have the option having my software and applications be open source so I can be more sure that various governments are not privy to my personal business. Of course, maybe that's just me. If you don't mind only having computing platforms that are basically walled-garden consoles, you need not worry. I'm sure they will also be available.

Re:YOLD! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112069)

"They want to deploy on an open platform" should be "They want to deploy their own platform." Whether it will be "open" or not is very much in question.

Re:YOLD! (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112077)

Nerdfest accuses others of spreading FUD

ignoring your FUD about Google and Valve...

Then does it himself

Microsoft, now that they are no longer being monitored closely for anti-competitive behaviour has had the way paved by iOS, and is implementing the same model with 'Metro'. You'll start to see the 'classic' interface an installation model lose support in future versions.

Re:YOLD! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112079)

Minor point: Valve doesn't want to deploy on an open platform, they just vehemently do *not* want to compete with Microsoft's "marketplace", or cede 30% to them. They want to control the store, just like Apple, Google and Microsoft.

Re:YOLD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111845)

Why would Valve shoot itself in the foot?

Re:YOLD! (1)

WaywardGeek (1480513) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111889)

Linux already dominates the gaming market. There are hundreds of thousands of games available for Android/Linux. If Debian/Linux and friends have trouble attracting the gaming crowed, it's quite simply not the fault of Linux.

Re:YOLD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112041)

Agreed!

My parents currently prefer Linux specifically for the games.

Re: YOLD! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112049)

linux was crap from the start. if we can't get college students to grasp the concepts of a microkernel after 20+ years, whats the use?

Re: YOLD! (3, Interesting)

sumdumass (711423) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112103)

I'm not sure all college students are capable of understanding those concepts or even capable of caring about them. Most college students I have seen are more worried about the bling the neighbor has, how much jack they will pocket once employed, and of course where the party is tonight. Quite a bit of college students are only there because they were told it was what they needed to do if they wanted a decent job. They aren't there exactly to learn or learn about the concepts of a micro-kernel. While a few are there to learn and further their wisdom, it is more of a put my time in so I will make lots of money thing for most college students.

Re: YOLD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112159)

dude, i'm pretty sure that was joke.

Re: YOLD! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111863)

All thanks to Tux Racer!!!

Re: YOLD! (2)

s.petry (762400) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111925)

I don't have much hope. Not that long ago there was a company called Loki that ported tons of games to Linux. I bought at least 4 of them. They were well do e ports, east to install and run, same price as windows games though not what we would call "new" releases. Not enough interest from the Linux community I reckon, because after about a year they went under.

most game houses make money by volume and Linux simply does not have much desktop volume. Better than 5 years ago? Sure, but enough to support development of games? I am not so sure.

Re: YOLD! (1)

s.petry (762400) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111937)

Holy lack of grammar batman! My eyes were dialated a bit ago and I was sure it looked ok...

Overall right but unlikely to happen (5, Insightful)

godrik (1287354) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111633)

Overall, he is right. I bought gaming systems for a single game. For instance, I bought the Wii just to play FireEmblem. I was already interested but it is only on FE's release that I bought it. Once I had it, I played other things as well. But a single exclusive game I was interested in convinced me to buy.

I think that the same thing could happen for Linux. But I am no sure it will ever happen. Will there ever be a Linux exclusive game? If you were a game developper, would you commit to realse your fancy need AAA game ONLY on Linux and not on Windows? That seems like a stupid move unless the company receives a ridiculous amount of money cash for the exclusivity.

I don't think that compatibility with Linux will be sufficient to see an "explosion", it is an exclusivity one need. And being linux exclusive look a lot like betting on a three legged horse.

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111697)

GNU plus Linux

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111753)

>Will there ever be a Linux exclusive game?

The best candidate on the horizon is Half-Life 3 running on Valve's upcoming SteamOS linux distro. Would Steam take that chance to push it's own gaming platform?

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111819)

>Will there ever be a Linux exclusive game?

The best candidate on the horizon is Half-Life 3 running on Valve's upcoming SteamOS linux distro. Would Steam take that chance to push it's own gaming platform?

If Valve is serious about Linux/SteamOS becoming its flagship platform, there's no better move than to make HL3 excellent, truly worth the wait, and an exclusive to SteamOS.

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (4, Interesting)

houstonbofh (602064) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111831)

>Will there ever be a Linux exclusive game?

The best candidate on the horizon is Half-Life 3 running on Valve's upcoming SteamOS linux distro. Would Steam take that chance to push it's own gaming platform?

Just delaying the Windows and MAC ports will do it. After all, they can also dual boot Linux, and this promotes the Steam Box as well.

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (1)

click2005 (921437) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111999)

They should include flash storage on their new controller containing a Live SteamOS distro.

Re: Overall right but unlikely to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112059)

I've been running World of Tanks under Crossover on SuSe and it plays great! I know the point is a Linux only game but WoT is a Windows game that I don't need Windows at all to still play.

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (5, Insightful)

houstonbofh (602064) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111817)

It does not have to be exclusive... Just exclusive today. For example, a Valve Steam Box title. That means Linux... And have the Windows and MAC versions lag just a bit for marketing reasons. (Seeing as how both Windows and MAC users can dual boot Linux, not really much of an issue...)

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (1)

godrik (1287354) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112023)

Yes, a delayed exclusive would probably be enough. That is what OUYA tried with its proram to get 6 month exclusive games.

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (1)

loonycyborg (1262242) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111843)

Even opensource games have windows ports and currently there's no reason why they wouldn't be cross-platform. But choice of operating system isn't user's business, it's something that comes with device. Most users won't be installing oses, though they might choose to use a device that happens to be based on linux. One such device could be abovementioned steambox. You can expect that people will have easier time running steam games on Valve controlled and tested hardware than on some random system integrator's windows pc with possibly crappy drivers and loads of pre-installed shovelware.

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (1)

master_kaos (1027308) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111855)

exactly, I can't see one reason someone who would make a AAA game and just release it on LINUX. First off, it would have to be a private company as the shareholders would cry bloody murder against any public company. So who does that leave exactly? Valve is the only one that would even remotely make sense, especially if they are pushing their steam box and they would be pissing off a huge amount of their fans. If anything they would maybe make it a time limited exclusive for a couple months, but even then...
Still I don't think it would solve anything as people think "console" with steam os not linux,

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (1)

Chordonblue (585047) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111907)

Perhaps if Valve really wanted the Linux-based Steam Box to take off, they should release HL3 on it first.

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (1)

niftydude (1745144) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111981)

But I am no sure it will ever happen. Will there ever be a Linux exclusive game? If you were a game developper, would you commit to realse your fancy need AAA game ONLY on Linux and not on Windows? That seems like a stupid move unless the company receives a ridiculous amount of money cash for the exclusivity.

I agree that a game developer would probably not want to do it. But if someone like Red Hat or Canonical decide that a good long term strategy to get companies using linux in the workplace is to get linux in the home so that people are familiar with it, then Red Hat or Canonical might decide to pay to get an exclusive game made.

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (5, Insightful)

godrik (1287354) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112031)

That could work. But you need to give people incentive in release an exclusive version. Red Hat or Canonical could have the fund necessary to generate such an exclusive games. Or maybe one such effort could be crowdfunded. But nobody is going to develop a $10 million game and release it only on Linux without a significant incentive.

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (3, Interesting)

WaywardGeek (1480513) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112007)

I think the poster is not correct. He said:

it is not hard to get your hands on Linux, for example, it only takes one game that motivates you to go there.

First, he means GNU/Linux, not Linux. There are tons of games for Android/Linux. For GNU/Linux, he's dead wrong. I built a machine yesterday with my son with parts from Newegg, and installed Ubuntu 13.04. The motherboard was DOA. Is the average gamer going to figure that out? The Samsung SSD wouldn't come up and talk to Ubuntu until I initialized it in Windows, and even then I had to set the SATA controller in BIOS to use "IDE" mode so Linux would find it. Installing GNU/Linux remains solidly in the domain of geeks. Will Average Joe Gamer buy a $1,500 "gaming rig", wipe Windows, and install Linux? Yeah, right. Maybe Dell and HP will start selling GNU/Linux gaming rigs so our poor gamer wont have to deal with figuring out how to deal with Linux? And they'll do that because there's so much demand? Unfortunately, GNU/Linux remains solidly a hacker OS. Now, as a hacker, I quite like it :-) GNU/Linux is what it is, and if you like it like I do, then great. However, we don't have to spread it like religion to the masses.

The GNU/Linux graphical desktop has been mostly dead for a while now, in terms of main stream adoption. Ubuntu bug #1 remains very much unresolved. It's not the fault of Linux, but of GNU/Linux. Linus won the OS kernel war, even against the great and powerful Microsoft, with his "Bazaar" approach. However, GNU lost the application war because GNU never accepted the hacker culture, where everyone is can create whatever hackish apps they like, and share them without friction. Instead, the Debian priests continue to maintain the purity of their "Cathedral" through exclusion of unworthy apps, and the process to publish an app is literally harder than getting married or getting a loan for a house. Arch is a good attempt to save GNU/Linux, but it's too little, too late, IMO. I hope I'm wrong...

Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112083)

First, he means GNU/Linux, not Linux. There are tons of games for Android/Linux. For GNU/Linux, he's dead wrong.

No he means Linux, as in Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and all the other desktop Linuxes. No ordinary person is ever going to say GNU/Linux, and no sane person is ever going to believe that Android is Linux. Give up your silly crusade already, there's Linux, there's Android which is not Linux, and there are no such things as GNU/Linux and Android/Linux. And you can post another 100 comments trying to tell us otherwise, you're just wasting your time and everybody else's.

DICE (1, Funny)

djupedal (584558) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111635)

/. promotes itself and can't even get the blurb right.

Poor Lars. . .

Re:DICE (2)

Kalriath (849904) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111759)

Digital Illusions CE is not to be confused with DICE Holdings, two completely different companies.

Really though, Digital Illusions is an EA subsidiary. Poor Lars indeed.

Re:DICE (1)

djupedal (584558) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112089)

Good info, thanks.

Did you note poor Lars' new job title ? :)

Except (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111647)

what publisher is going to exclusively publish to Linux if they have such a killer app? Is Valve going to? Certainly won't be Canonical.

Clarification: (5, Insightful)

asmkm22 (1902712) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111653)

It needs one killer game that you can't get elsewhere. Do you think Halo would have done what it did for the XBox if it was also available for the PS2?

And since I don't see many game companies jumping the Windows ship to start making AAA Linux exclusives, this guy's "insight" is irrelevant.

Re:Clarification: (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111701)

Valve might do it. If they are to stand up for their Steam Machines idea, they should release Half Life 3 exclusively, at least for a reasonable amount of time.

Re:Clarification: (1)

brit74 (831798) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111737)

That's true. Although, I think it'll cause sales of the Steam Machine console, not necessarily Linux in general.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2053680/valve-amd-based-steam-machines-are-also-en-route.html [pcworld.com]

Re:Clarification: (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111839)

That's true. Although, I think it'll cause sales of the Steam Machine console, not necessarily Linux in general. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2053680/valve-amd-based-steam-machines-are-also-en-route.html [pcworld.com]

Why? You can dual boot your Windows or MAC box and get the Linux version right now. That gives more uptake on the Linux side, and convinces other publishers to release for Linux / Steam Box.

Re:Clarification: (1)

asmkm22 (1902712) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112127)

Maybe, but something tells me they won't simply ignore the current market landscape just out of principle. Kudos if they do, but highly unlikely.

Re:Clarification: (1)

maccodemonkey (1438585) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111949)

It needs one killer game that you can't get elsewhere. Do you think Halo would have done what it did for the XBox if it was also available for the PS2?

Yes, there is no way Halo could have done as well on the Xbox if it had shipped on other [amazon.com] platforms [amazon.com] too.

Re:Clarification: (1)

asmkm22 (1902712) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112111)

You do realize that the PC and Mac versions were released about 2 years after the XBox version, right?

Create a repository. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111659)

Put your games in it.

Give people f2p models or shareware models.

Let them purchase through web/ingame codes to unlock the full games.

Linux people will download the F2p versions by just tossing your repository in their package/software management apps a long with their other favorite repos.

Or even better roll out a distro with your game thats a clone of Fedora or Debian + the above with your own binary repo.

Re:Create a repository. (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111847)

Put your games in it.

Give people f2p models or shareware models.

Let them purchase through web/ingame codes to unlock the full games.

Linux people will download the F2p versions by just tossing your repository in their package/software management apps a long with their other favorite repos.

Like Steam for Linux?

Or even better roll out a distro with your game thats a clone of Fedora or Debian + the above with your own binary repo.

Like the Steam Box OS?

Wtf? Halo was a launch title. (2)

ReekRend (843787) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111665)

His example makes no sense.

Re:Wtf? Halo was a launch title. (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112065)

Hypothetically, the Xbox wouldn't have sold well without Halo, which was hyped to the stratosphere.

Cross device integration (1)

morcego (260031) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111667)

What we need is some serious effort into platform integration between desktop, tablet and cellphone. Apple offers, Microsoft wants to offer it. Why don't we have it with Linux/Android?

If not already, this kind of seamless integrations between their devices is something people will require soon and, unless you think android is going to take over on the desktop, Linux developers might want to get cracking here, otherwise Linux might soon start losing all the ground it conquered.

Re:Cross device integration (2)

houstonbofh (602064) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111853)

What we need is some serious effort into platform integration between desktop, tablet and cellphone. Apple offers, Microsoft wants to offer it. Why don't we have it with Linux/Android?

I guess you missed that whole Ubuntu Phone thing, huh?

Re:Cross device integration (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111871)

Even without that, Linux plays very nicely with Android phones. You can set up all sorts of integration between them. Yes, there's Ubuntu phone, and KDE Plasma is also designed for small screens, but personally, I don't really want the same interface on both. I want to be able to choose the interface I want on each environment and still have them communicate without limitations.

Re:Cross device integration (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111885)

I want to be able to choose the interface I want on each environment and still have them communicate without limitations.

Damnit! Where is the "Like" button?

Re:Cross device integration (1)

morcego (260031) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111899)

What we need is some serious effort into platform integration between desktop, tablet and cellphone. Apple offers, Microsoft wants to offer it. Why don't we have it with Linux/Android?

I guess you missed that whole Ubuntu Phone thing, huh?

Oh, I guess I did miss it hitting the shops and getting widespread acceptance and vendor support.

Sorry, my bad.

Are linux users willing to pay money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111677)

Linux users tend to be very much into open source and freeware but the real question is if they are ready to actually pay to play? I think the biggest concern is if that demographic will gladly shell out $70 on a game or $50 on software like a word processor? I think that not knowing is the biggest risk and only those with the capitol can do it. It's not like releasing terraria or skyrim on linux will make a difference but I think that steambox will guide players into linux. Don't hold your breath though...

Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? (5, Informative)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111825)

Yes [twolofbees.com] . When asked to pay what they think a game is worth, Linux users consistently pay significantly more than users of other platforms.

Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112085)

Thank you, I had no idea. Some people may not consider my question legitimate but I think many do worry about the mindset of linux users. I'm glad to see that they are willing to put their money into products they believe in. Take these wonder woman mod points as I have lost my account to give you anything tangible.

Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111861)

On every Humble Indie Bundle, Linux users pay more per game than MAC or Windows. Windows users pay the least.

Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? (1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111873)

"Mac" is not an acronym, it is an abbreviation for "Macintosh". Stop capitalizing it.

Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111897)

Must Accquire Computer
However, it is now Must Accuire iShiny!

Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112043)

And yet...they still look like the Pac-Man of Windows devouring the slices of Linux and Mac, to the point where the overall average is BARELY over the Windows average.

Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112167)

What does it look like when you throw out the ringers (the people who donate considerable sums)?

Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111921)

Freeware (and pirated software/games/programs) was what most kids were doing in the 80s/90s on DOS and Windows (before that the situation was similiar on the micros of the time). Are they willing to pay today? It is not about the group of people using linux because they all have different reasons - it is if there is enough individual users willing & able to pay.

As a Linux (amongst other OSes) user and mopstly non-gamer I have no problem with Linux not being "ready for the desktop" or that there are no games for it (I have personally used Linux on my desktop since the mid 90s and enjoyed plenty of nethack sessions on it too). I would probably never pay for a game simply because it is not my usecase for linux.

When I see this "we need games for linux" stuff i kinda wonder who is needing them? That said, if you do not have cravings for the latest and greatest titles, there are plenty of gaming options - including through emulation. But Linux is a good OS nonetheles for plenty of other things that people need done. This is not the elitist "it gotta be difficult" argument, but more of a "if you think linux needs games, dont whine but put your money/work behind it" because many linux users/devs dont need games, so why bother?

tl;dr: Not every [insert OS] user is like the stereotype - only biggots would think that "linux users" could in any way be grouped and judged wholesale so easilly. If you want to play games get a dedicated console or an OS that supports the games you want. And if you think we need games on linux, make games for linux.

tl;dr tl;dr: Linux is and will be useful for a lot of us despite it never having a "killer game" nor ever being "ready for the desktop" and many of us are happy with that.

And (2, Interesting)

The Cat (19816) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111683)

Given the overwhelming power of developing on Linux compared to Windows or Macs (Linux is so far ahead of both it's not even a contest) once developers move to the new platform, they'll never go back.

It took 20 years, but Linux won. Face it. It's just better technology.

Just one game? (1, Insightful)

MrLogic17 (233498) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111689)

Eh? Is there a precedent for that statement?
With each new game console that comes out, there needs to be a whole ecosystem to go along with it. Name me any game platform that took off because of one good game?

In a parallel example, what would you say to "Windows Phone would have taken off if it had one really good at in the app store." ?

Put another way, how good would a game have to be for an average user to want to reformat their hard drive?

Re:Just one game? (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111741)

In a parallel example, what would you say to "Windows Phone would have taken off if it had one really good at in the app store." ?

If a WindowsPhone came with an app that allowed me to access their entire first XBox catalogue, I could've gotten used to 'live tiles'.

Re:Just one game? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111743)

I bought my Nintendo Smash Cube and discovered it could play some other games too as an interesting side benefit.

Re:Just one game? (3, Insightful)

TheLongshot (919014) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111761)

Name me any game platform that took off because of one good game?

I think Wii Sports qualifies. Certainly many bought a WII for that game alone

Re:Just one game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111791)

Name me any game platform that took off because of one good game?

Mobile gaming, currently skyrocketing into majority gaming market share, started with one game: Angry Birds.

Re:Just one game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111803)

That's short sighted.

There's no game that would cause me to format my hard drive and wipe out the applications that have already led me to install Windows.

No game could replace Adobe Photoshop/Bridge/Lightroom.

But the right game could lead me to buy a 2nd PC for my livingroom.

I'm already converted to Linux for my back room desktop browsing PC. But I might spring for a 2nd PC for my livingroom to replace my PS3 if the right games showed up on Linux.

Last generation, I had a Wii, a PS3, and PC in my living room. Sony hasn't endeared itself to me over the last couple years. It wouldn't take much for me to switch to a more friendly platform.

Re:Just one game? (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111869)

There's no game that would cause me to format my hard drive and wipe out the applications that have already led me to install Windows.

Linux users have been dual booting to play games for years. Turnabout would actually be kind of amusing! :)

Re:Just one game? (1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111809)

Name me any game platform that took off because of one good game?

The Wii. It wasn't even a good game, either. I know a great number of otherwise non-gamers who own a Wii and haven't purchased a single game.

Re:Just one game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111989)

If GTAV had launched on SteamOS, X360 and PS3 with the SteamOS version offering superior graphic options and Valve providing instructions / an installer to safely set up your PC as dual boot (that part is important) then I'm confident a lot of people would have gone through the process just to get the game on the PC, although a number might have moaned about having to reboot to play it.

Re:Just one game? (3, Informative)

techno-vampire (666512) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112067)

Safely setting up customer's computers for dual boot is fairly easy: just set up the installer so that nuking your Windows installation isn't even an option. If the only way to install Linux on your computer so that you can play this game is with dual boot, most people would be less reluctant to give it a try, especially if booting into Windows is the default, and you only get Linux if you specifically ask for it at boot time.

Re:Just one game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112161)

I remembered installing a linux distro long ago that wasn't very well made. It asked me if I wanted to partition my windows drive so I did. Sadly, it partitioned it but removed the boot file so it would only recognize linux. Once I fixed this, it was fine but annoying to do. About a year later I decided not to repeat the same mistake so I created a partition in windows, restarted with the linux installer and once again it deleted my boot file. I didn't have issues like this with redhat or centos, only with ubuntu =/ Not sure why it does that but it seems that I'm not the only one. I think there's a level of risk that people need to grasp because not everyone can modify windows core files within a linux environment in the event of an installation error. Perhaps having a bootable SATA external drive that is "SteamOS" would be ideal. I don't know much about the steambox yet but it would be great to see something like it.

Re:Just one game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112149)

NES and Mario. PC and Doom. Blackberry and BBM.

Linux needs a killer game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111703)

Who gives a crap about it -- It is Linux Mr. whatever you are, please understand the distinction between a thing that runs on Mainframes and clusters and your Christmas toy.

Re:Linux needs a killer game? (4, Informative)

houstonbofh (602064) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111875)

Who gives a crap about it -- It is Linux Mr. whatever you are, please understand the distinction between a thing that runs on Mainframes and clusters and your Christmas toy.

Good thing you left out the comma... Since Linux runs on Mainframes and clusters, and on your Christmas phone and tablet.

Steam OS on multiple hardware? (4, Interesting)

Mabhatter (126906) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111771)

About the only thing I can see is Steam OS becoming a hardware target for "white box" makers. Microsoft is back to an x86 console, so how will they keep game devs on the console and not just Windows? At some point they will lock up and cripple Windows... Again... To push everybody to console.

Enter SteamOS based on Linux. If they make it play nice with Ubuntu or Mint Linux they could grab the "power gamer" market and those people can just use Linux for their "homework". Even then Steam is already looking to be a target for APPS on windows and Mac so that might fix the missing multimedia stuff people bellyache about.

Funny thing to say. (1, Funny)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111781)

All the games are killer apps, in some sense. The player kills. And the games are full of explosions. So one more killer app? That is going to make linux explode?

Re:Funny thing to say. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112099)

In some sense you're a moron.

Halo was a launch title. (1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111801)

It's not like the original XBox was floundering until Halo eventually came along. How can you make the assertion that Halo "made" the XBox when you have no history of XBox without Halo?

Creative directory (1)

hedleyroos (817147) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111827)

Really timoth?

Re:Creative directory (1)

DarkProphet (114727) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111859)

Really timoth?

You must be new here...

Kerbal Space Program (1)

scorp1us (235526) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111865)

Is coded in .NET and runs on mono. I'm playing it on Linux right now. True, a little geeky but it'll happen.

The problem is though that Halo, Gears of War, God of War, etc are all produced under exclusivity licenses. No linux game developer is willing to be exclusively Linux. Maybe Valve will start doing it now that they have a Steam box, but the allure of the major established markets will be hard to pass up.

The problem with that is... (1)

Lendrick (314723) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111879)

Let's say I'm marketing a game to the general public. For the purpose of this argument, it doesn't matter whether or not the game is commercial or noncommercial, and it doesn't matter whether the game is libre or proprietary, because these things basically hold true regardless.

Linux is based on open standards. Generally speaking, if you write a game for Linux, porting it to Windows and Macintosh is relatively easy. If your plan is to *sell* your game, you probably want to offer it to as many potential customers as possible, which means that porting it is an obvious choice. If your game is open source, even if you don't port it yourself, if it's a "killer" game, someone will just port it for you.

The only exception would be the unusual case of a closed-source game being written specifically to be so awesome that it will encourage people to switch to Linux. But that case necessitates your software be non-libre, and deny people access to the code and a choice of operating system. While a lot of windows gamers may not care about that, you need buy-in from the existing user base in order to generate enough buzz for your game to take off, and in this case you'd be trying to convince people who (on average) feel very strongly about FOSS that keeping your game proprietary is a good thing.

Unportable killer game (2)

Culture20 (968837) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111891)

It needs a killer game that can't be open source so that it can't be ported to other platforms. Of course if it's not open source, Linux users won't touch it.

headlinecy (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111915)

The headline led me to believe that there is a new Linux-only game called "Battlefield Director" which is claimed to be the killer app that Linux needs.

The summary dashes such hopes to pieces.

At least the title wasn't.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111931)

"This is "The Year Of Linux...No, really this time this is it. We mean it. For real, for sure. We have got to get it right sometime, right? "

Linux vs. Vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111943)

I have recently purchased X-Com:Enemy Unknown. I run an xp box at home at much to my chagrine it would not run on anything less than vista... WINE to the rescue. Worked great for a few months until Steam was patched. Now my Wine is no longer running X-Com. Will the killer app be wine?

HL3 & BF5! (1)

antdude (79039) | 1 year,10 days | (#45111967)

DICE's BF Director = BF5

SteamOS = HL3, Portal 3, and TF3 like The Orange Box (The Penguin Box?). ;)

GNU Quake (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45111969)

But but GNU Quake [quakeworld.nu] is already a thing. What more could you want?

Oh right, you want a game that frat boys play because frat boys play.

Sorry, the Bandwagon Effect says you're screwed.

One or two good games can certainly make a change (2)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112013)

One or two Good Game can certainly make a difference

One decent game would get me into Linux; I dual boot Win7 and Mint, but only visit Mint, I don't really
use it as there's nothing "special" I use it for.

Doom took me from the Amiga and to the PC, as did Quake II (made for my video card (3DFX drivers)) graphics were incredible.
Installed Win3.1, the easy networking and abundance of programs shelved the Amiga.

I have Portal 2 I can play from Mint but have played it on the PC already, and it's not as good as the first.
Guess the cake was my carrot and an out right lie.

The Games I've found for Mint are Civilization types, build this then you can build that; but those can
impede your progress or even stop you if not taken care of.

I tried Red hat in the 1990's bought the book and CD. The Red hat disk partition tool was so confusing
I quit at the very start. If the instructions had just said "or you can just use FDISK" things would be much different now.

I'm a new linux user that used Unix commands to get around on old shell accounts. So have a leg up;
but still trying to get know to the command line while Linux is swaying folks to the GUI.

Then there's the flavor of Linux I started with Ubuntu as it was very popular at the time, the Live CD
didn't work so stopped there. Another serious approach was Mint as Ubuntu was sending search
query's to third parties - and where I'm at now. Just that I have no reason to use Mint, at the moment
I play Battle Field 3 all the time - a very enjoyable game for me for close to two years now.

Just one exclusive game (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45112025)

Of course, you have to get millions of people to load one of the many Linux distros successfully, and ensure that your game runs on at least the most popular plus all the various hardware implementations. Drivers will be your biggest problem. And when something craps out, who provides support?

No, I don't think Linux desktop is going to have any kind of market penetration like Windows or OS X, even if some mythical company is willing to put millions of dollars into a top tier game. And anyway profit in gaming has moved to consoles and mobile right now. Desktops and laptops are for programmers and engineers, not so much for consumers anymore.

Steam broke my linux system (1)

norite (552330) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112055)

I tried installing steam on my kubuntu system, but it wouldn't play any games, it said something about needing the latest opengl version, and to do that I needed the latest graphics drivers.. So i went to download the latest graphics drivers from ATI, only it didn't work and I ended up with a laptop that did not boot. After hours trying to find a solution, I left it and did a reinstall. Life is just too short, and I don't have time for this shit. Fortunately my home area was left intact after the reinstall.

After that I pretty much forgot about steam. Maybe they will fix this issue one day, maybe they won't. Just my experience trying to get steam working on a linux machine.

Re:Steam broke my linux system (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112135)

This is probably Linux's biggest hangup for desktop acceptance at the moment.

The video drivers are fucking terrible.

Hello Half-Life 3 (1)

BLToday (1777712) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112131)

HL3 would either prove or disprove this theory.

Fine. I guess it's 1994, then. (1)

fnj (64210) | 1 year,10 days | (#45112143)

It's March 14, 1994, and Nethack works just fine on Linux 1.0. Colossal Cave Adventure, too. They both make modern games look like shit.

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