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Facebook Comment Prompts Arrests In Cyberbullying Suicide Case

Soulskill posted 1 year,5 days | from the if-only-facebook-comments-prompted-proper-parenting dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The NY Times reports on the arrests of two girls, ages 12 and 14, who allegedly harassed another 12-year-old girl who committed suicide. The girls are facing third-degree felony charges, and the police involvement was spurred by a comment on Facebook by the older of the two. 'In Internet shorthand it began "Yes, ik" — I know — "I bullied Rebecca nd she killed herself." The writer concluded that she didn't care, using an obscenity to make the point and a heart as a perverse flourish. Five weeks ago, Rebecca Ann Sedwick, a seventh grader in Lakeland in central Florida, jumped to her death from an abandoned cement factory silo after enduring a year, on and off, of face-to-face and online bullying. ... Brimming with outrage and incredulity, the sheriff said in a news conference on Tuesday that he was stunned by the older girl's Saturday Facebook posting. But he reserved his harshest words for the girl's parents for failing to monitor her behavior, after she had been questioned by the police, and for allowing her to keep her cellphone.'"

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This (5, Interesting)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141617)

But he reserved his harshest words for the girl's parents for failing to monitor her behavior

Children are sociopaths until they learn better / their frontal lobes finish developing. It's the parents who are at fault here.

Re:This (0)

BreakBad (2955249) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141661)

I blame all parents for everything.

And I blame my parents (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141717)

for not mounting up 100% surveillance. I mean, they should have installed videocams in the children's room and everywhere.

Why did they fail in doing this?

That's why I'm a wrecked existence.

NOT.

Re:And I blame my parents (-1, Flamebait)

sumdumass (711423) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142169)

Or the parents could have corected the girls and punished them- or in the least, made it clear that bullying others wasn't acceptable. As the sheriff said, the parents had been contacted by their kids behavior and didn't seem to do anything to curb it.

In some states, if the parents have knowlege thier kids are doing illegal acts and fail to stop them, they can be held liable criminally for those acts. I'm not sure if bullying can truley be criminal (free speech) but failing to take reasonable steps to cure criminal bahavior might be.

Now for a side rant. Suicide is a pussy way out. No one should commit suicide over the actions of another but if they feel compelled to give that other person that much power, they should take them out in the process. It would likely make the world a better place as a result of their cowardice.

Re:And I blame my parents (5, Insightful)

Lithdren (605362) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142199)

Yes, lets rant about how prissy the 12 year old girl was for taking her own life. Because we all know 12 year olds (girl or boy) are capable of handling things like an adult should, in your perfect world.

Re:This (5, Insightful)

Vermonter (2683811) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141841)

I blame the grandparents for raising the parents so poorly that they raised the daughter poorly.

Re:This (0)

0111 1110 (518466) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142057)

The one who killed herself because someone said some not nice things to her? I agree.

Re:This (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141667)

Not all children are like that, and many adults are themselves sociopaths.

It's the parents who are at fault here.

Hardly.

Re:This (-1, Troll)

DarkOx (621550) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141683)

The only parents responsible are those of the girl who killed herself. The world is tough place if you don't teach you kid enough coping skills to deal with words, you are failure as a parent.

If you are parent its impractical to monitor what your kid does all the time, at least once they reach school age. You certainly can pay enough attention to them to know if they are contemplating killing themselves and do something about it. They girls parents should been able to see things were very wrong, should have taken her to get some medical or psychological attention where should would probably have been hospitalized. Instead of trying to arrest children for teasing each other parents need to pay attention to their kids.

Re:This (4, Insightful)

Wingsy (761354) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141843)

You obviously don't have children.

Please take my advice: don't.

Re:This (-1, Troll)

AlphaWoIf_HK (3042365) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141897)

You obviously don't have children.

Please take my advice: don't.

Re:This (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141965)

You obviously don't have children.

Please take my advice: don't. Ever.

Re: This (4, Insightful)

techprophet (1281752) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141871)

All the parents involved bear responsibility for this travesty. The parents of the dead girl needed to be there to support her, while the parents of the bullies needed to pay enough fucking attention to see how cruel their daughters are. Cruelty is not easily hidden if you pay attention to how people act to each other. I see it far too often even on a college campus, though still far less than in high school.

Re: This (-1, Flamebait)

0111 1110 (518466) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142081)

Kill yourself. Drink some bleach and die. Now. Do it now. Now. Now. Now. Uh. Did I just commit a felony?

Re: This (4, Interesting)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142209)

Kill yourself. Drink some bleach and die. Now. Do it now. Now. Now. Now. Uh. Did I just commit a felony?

It's interesting that in this age of near-universal anonymity that people take pride in being arseholes. Do you take similar pride in being stupid? Do you proudly walk around saying "Hey, if I'm unable to perform simple arithmetic that's your fault"? Hmm? But here you (and others) are, proudly going around saying "I'm unable to fit into society and live by its rules, and anyone who faces the fallout... well, it's their fault for being thin-skinned and not my fault for being stupid..

Re: This (4, Insightful)

Twon (46168) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141917)

I love how /. has truly grown up from being the "Voices From The Hellmouth" crowd to the "waaah, poor baby can't handle a little teasing" crowd. It's the classic "fuck you, got mine" but for advancing through life rather than up the income ladder. Where's the line for deserving sympathy, or even empathy? Does she have to shoot some classmates and THEN kill herself? Does she have to play video games first, and do people have to make that a public issue?

Re: This (2)

bfandreas (603438) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142011)

I love how /. has truly grown up from being the "Voices From The Hellmouth" crowd to the "waaah, poor baby can't handle a little teasing" crowd. It's the classic "fuck you, got mine" but for advancing through life rather than up the income ladder. Where's the line for deserving sympathy, or even empathy? Does she have to shoot some classmates and THEN kill herself? Does she have to play video games first, and do people have to make that a public issue?

I've been wondering myself. These past 15 years have changed the general tone on the net. It has become much more selfish and callous. And yet we wonder if a 14 year old is selfish and callous on the net?
If OTOH you refer to the brow-beaten bullied nerd we all claimed to be 15 years ago then I'm sorry. The internet has now become simple enough for anybody to use. Evidently you don't even have to be literate to use Facebook.

Re: This (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142203)

Gen Y sucks.

Re:This (5, Insightful)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141939)

Oh, please, many kids (especially teenagers) would not even answer the direct questions from their parents about bullying and similar stuff. It is normal to just say "It's nothing, it's okay" and go cry in your room (and maybe even try to kill yourself), rather than sit and tell your story to your parents - even if they are truly caring and compassionate.

People who are prone to the real suicide are much more quiet about it than some drama queens who are shouting "I'm going to kill myself!" several times a day. Well, the same thing with the real homicide, too - even as adults we are prone to exclamations like "I swear, I'm going to kill that guy!", but these exclamations do not correlate with the real murders so often, right?

It is truly a challenge for any parent to admit that there is something wrong with their kid (not mentioning some crazy hypochondriacs and the like), be it a suicidal or sociopathical motives. In this particular case I personally would put more blame on the parents of the bullies, than on the parents of the victim. At least with sociopathy there are often other signs that are hard to miss, and often there is something wrong with the whole family - abusive or neglectful parents, for example, or some other emotional disfunction.

Re:This (2, Interesting)

Dogtanian (588974) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141955)

The news report states...

In Internet shorthand it began “Yes, ik” — I know — “I bullied Rebecca nd she killed herself.” The writer concluded that she didn’t care, using an obscenity to make the point and a heart as a perverse flourish.

...suggesting a blatantly sociopathic personality and the likelihood that it was far more than just "teasing" in the first place.

The "coping skills" you advocate would- in this case- consist of figuring out a way of ruining the evil bitch's life.

Re:This (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141735)

But he reserved his harshest words for the girl's parents for failing to monitor her behavior

Children are sociopaths until they learn better / their frontal lobes finish developing. It's the parents who are at fault here.

Or perhaps this particular child model is just defective? Adulthood didn't fix Dexter Morgan. Granted, he's not real, but he does represent a realworld dilemma. Some people do not work according to specifications, and getting to them early (whether it be group therapy or lifetime internment at a psychiatric ward) can prevent undesired axe-related activities.

I'm pretty sure I was a douchebag in my early years, but I never tried to kill anyone. There's a limit somewhere, and this girl is not on the right side of it, regardless of her parents' involvement.

Re:This (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141783)

No, some children are sociopaths and others are not. Those that are, have a birth defect and should be eliminated for the greater good.

Re:This (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141785)

And what does the rest of the world do to sociopaths? Why... We make they CEO's and politicians and throw money at them!

Yes. But i'm sure the problem is just those parents. And not society. Because thats big and hard to fix. So we're not going to do it.

Re:This (4, Interesting)

ClassicASP (1791116) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141817)

I agree with the frontal lobe thing. I remember being bullied in Junior High. Some of my worst years in life were spent there. I don't like going back there because it brings back bad memories. I feel bad for kids going through the same thing because I'm sure technology has made the experience much worse today than it was back in my day. The truth is that kids have their own little privately-run societies in school (on a social plane) that the adults are quite powerless to have any real control over. And by granting them access to the internet, they wield a weapon that can be used to cause great harm to one another on that plane. Perhaps the internet should be regulated like Alcohol and Tobacco, where access is permitted only once a certain age of maturity has been reached. Not that I condone smoking or claim that setting an age limit has prevented drunk driving, but think of where we would be today had we legalized those kinds of things for minors. We've let them use the internet, and this "bullying" epidemic is what it has led up to. Perhaps change is in order and this is one of those lessons that should go in the history textbooks.

Re:This (5, Insightful)

AlphaWoIf_HK (3042365) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141859)

Perhaps the internet should be regulated like Alcohol and Tobacco, where access is permitted only once a certain age of maturity has been reached.

Not only would that be completely unenforceable, but it's also an awful, draconian idea.

We've let them use the internet, and this "bullying" epidemic is what it has led up to.

So you suggest that we punish everyone (in a certain group) because of some bullies and an imaginary epidemic. Not sure I agree.

Re:This (4, Interesting)

msauve (701917) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142159)

Or instead, maybe simply expect parents to be responsible parents, instead of dual-income welfare providers.

Re:This (4, Informative)

dfenstrate (202098) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142183)

The truth is that kids have their own little privately-run societies in school (on a social plane) that the adults are quite powerless to have any real control over.

You can find similar social structures in prisons, which calls into question the fundamental design of the public school system.

The kid's presence there is largely wasted effort, so they invent oft-destructive social games to use up their intellect and energy. This suggests that making school more rigourous & purposeful.

Specifically:

1) more difficult academics for the kids that can take it

2) meaningful job training in later grades for those whose interests lie elsewhere

We also need to nuke 'no child left behind' and anything that looks like it, so we can acknowledge that different children have different interests & capabilities, and handle them accordingly.

Re:This (2, Insightful)

Dogtanian (588974) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141937)

Children are sociopaths until they learn better / their frontal lobes finish developing. It's the parents who are at fault here.

Two year olds are sociopaths. Fourteen year olds shouldn't be- they can sometimes be stereotypically *insensitive* due to their brains still developing, but that's absolutely nothing like this.

The fact that she made comments like that even *after* the girl died (due to their bullying) indicates pure sociopathy. 14 (or even 12) is easily old enough to know right from wrong, whether or not they feel guilty about it. Regardless of whether the parents are to blame for not bringing them up with any sense of morality or empathy, they're easily old enough to accept (or made to accept) responsibility for what was done.

The most appropriate outcome in this case would be for that girl's actions to be widely publicised and for her to be subjected to endless harassment, abuse and ostracism for the rest of her life, until she does the decent thing (*) and kills herself.

(*) Albeit for purely selfish reasons- but you can't teach empathy.

good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141619)

stone them in the public square!

Yeah, right ... (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141629)

But he reserved his harshest words for the girl's parents for failing to monitor her behavior, after she had been questioned by the police, and for allowing her to keep her cellphone.

Most parents can't or don't monitor what their kids do on the internet, and most parents are under the belief their child is a little angel who would never do something like this (or consider it to be 'normal' childhood stuff).

I suspect most parents do not have the kind of control over their kids this sheriff thinks, and likely aren't that interested anyway.

From what I've seen, most parents are either clueless or turn a blind eye to the fact that their kids are rotten little bastards.

Re:Yeah, right ... (4, Insightful)

darrellg1 (969068) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141689)

Most parents expect others to parent their kids.

FTFY

Re:Yeah, right ... (4, Insightful)

Gravitron 5000 (1621683) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141919)

... and then get offended when anyone else tries to.

Re:Yeah, right ... (4, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141713)

"Most parents can't or don't monitor what their kids do on the internet, BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO LAZY"

FTFY

Re:Yeah, right ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141737)

Most parents are a-holes, an apple does not fall far from the tree.
99% of people are mother fuckers anyway, so yeah.

Moving on.

Re:Yeah, right ... (4, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141741)

their kids are rotten little bastards

Or, possibly, the parents are big rotten little bastards.

Re:Yeah, right ... (1)

skovnymfe (1671822) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141807)

Don't have the kind of control? You mean they can't cancel the phone subscription? You mean they can't lock the kid in a room and take away the phone? You mean they can't beat the kid senseless? What?

Re:Yeah, right ... (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141903)

Don't have the kind of control? You mean they can't cancel the phone subscription? You mean they can't lock the kid in a room and take away the phone? You mean they can't beat the kid senseless? What?

Well, no, they can't beat the kid senseless. Mommy and Daddy would have a nice visit from the cops if they did it, and the kids bloody well know that.

Ever seen a parent negotiating with their child to try to get them to do something? One gets the distinct impression that a lot of kids wield a lot more power than their parents do, and the parents try very hard to beg, plead, or bribe their kids into doing something.

I've seen a lot of parents who apparently can't control their 5 year old -- by the time those kids are teenagers I suspect those same parents have very little ability to control them.

So, no, I'm not entirely convinced that the parents wield nearly as much authority as you believe.

Re:Yeah, right ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141995)

Any parent who 'negotiates' anything with their child is a dead loss.

Re:Yeah, right ... (2)

CowTipperGore (1081903) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142027)

But that's still a failure on the part of the so-called parent. If you can't outwit a 5 year old, you have no business trying to raise one.

Re:Yeah, right ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45142173)

Ever seen a parent negotiating with their child to try to get them to do something? One gets the distinct impression that a lot of kids wield a lot more power than their parents do, and the parents try very hard to beg, plead, or bribe their kids into doing something.

If it gets to that point their has been a serious breakdown in parenting on their part. Many parents try to take the easy way out, and bribing is a very easy way out, it stops the immediate problem but at the same time trains the child that if they want something all they have to do is raise a fuss to get it.

Re:Yeah, right ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45142185)

Ever seen a parent negotiating with their child to try to get them to do something?

That is because the parent is more interested in being their kids friend than their kids parent. Kid having a tantrum in the store because you won't buy Fruit Sugar Pops cereal? Take the kid home and spank him, then leave him home with mommy or daddy, and do that EVERY TIME he misbehaves at the store. He will learn quickly not to do it.
 
My sister's family is a good example of what happens with this kind of parenting. My sister and Brother in Law (BiL) did a shitty job raising her boys. The boys did what they wanted when they wanted. Discipline was inconsistent. And, throwing tantrums worked because my sister and BiL cared more about TV. When I watched my nephews, they tried that shit with me. They learned quickly that I didn't put up with their shit. One would have a tantrum in the living room, I would pick him, carry him to his room, toss him on his bed and tell him "You can come out when you are done" and would then close the door and get on with what I was doing. After they each got that treatment a couple of times, guess what? No more tantrums with Uncle. They learned that bad behavior was punished and good behavior rewarded. We only had one relapse when one entered his teen years. I let him know in no uncertain terms that he absolutely no uncertain terms that he would either respect me or he would learn respect and that he and I both knew he was no match for me. He returned to being respectful. But, they raised my nephews so the older one is a 27 year old loser who borrowed $30,000.00 to go to a private trade school and promptly moved home to his 3,000 person home town and didn't get a job for over a year. Now, he lives at home, works part time as kennel attendant, has an 18 years old girlfriend who lives 3 states away, and is generally a fat slob. My younger nephew got a scholarship to welding school, did great, then moved back to that same town, married his high school sweetheart and has had trouble getting a job welding because SHE doesn't want to leave that dinky town.
 
Parents who are too busy trying to be their kids' friends to actually act like parents end up raising selfish, irresponsible, sociopathic assholes. Just look at most of the younger generation of Slashdotters for examples of this. It is as simple as that.

Re:Yeah, right ... (1)

bignetbuy (1105123) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141831)

That's no damned excuse. This kind of behavior by children is unacceptable. If the parents neglect their duties then law enforcement has to step in. So now my tax dollars are paying for your neglectful parents. :(

Re:Yeah, right ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141945)

Care to qualify your "most parents" assertions? Or are you just making shit up like everybody else?

There are at least a billion parents in the world, so I'm going to need more than a "from what you've seen" before I let such a ridiculous, self-serving generalization stand unchallenged.

Re:Yeah, right ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45142029)

Funny, but when I was growing up parents had close to that kind of control. Over the years I have watched parents abdicate from their roles because they are too busy trying to act like they are single without kids to actually raise their children. I see it every day. Most people who are parents don't actually want the responsibility of being parents so they do the absolute minimum, fail to instill respect, honor, and discipline in their children, teach their children that they are special and the rules don't necessarily apply to them, and foist their kids off on teachers and coaches only to complain if the their children are disciplined.
 
If parents don't have that kind of control, it is the fault of the parents and of society.

Re:Yeah, right ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45142187)

Ironically, if you propose a way to following them closely on the Internet, I bet half of slashdot would scream for their privacy. If you don't, the other half will bitch that the parents weren't paying enough attention.

Editors, please. (5, Insightful)

Saei (3133199) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141635)

From TFA: "Both were charged with aggravated stalking." Not sure why this was omitted from the summary, and only the vague "third-degree felony charges" term used. Combined with the somewhat misleading title, implying that it was only facebook comments that got these girls in trouble, it's disappointing link-baiting.

Teachers (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141719)

Teachers see everything but deny seeing everything.
and
Schools should have to police social media. Parents and Teachers have to sign a document.
This document has to be scanned and Emailed to Facebook or Google plus in order to be eligable for an account.

It's a priveledge not a right.

Re:Teachers (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141837)

What's a privilege? Having a social media account?

From the perspective of the provider, sure. From a government perspective, no. It's my right to have a social media account from anyone who will have me, and it's their right to provide me with one if they desire.

Re:Teachers (2)

voss (52565) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141863)

Forget social media. If this child was persistently bullied at school and a teacher saw it and didn't report it that teacher could be fired
and arrested. Teachers and school staff have a legal duty to report abuse and illegal harassment of students.

Re:Teachers~Bullying (1)

rmdingler (1955220) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142053)

Right... because teaching/babysitting the fruit of the loins of cretins isn't enough responsibility, whilst still attempting to make an academic difference in the lives of the few(er and fewer) exceptional students. Teachers and schools need to play a role in the development of a future citizen, but as many /.ers are aware, childish bullying is (and always has been) ubiquitous on and off the school yard. IMHO, I believe there's something at a genetic level that spurs the one-upmanship.

Re:Teachers (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45142227)

Forget social media. If this child was persistently bullied at school and a teacher saw it and didn't report it that teacher could be fired
and arrested. Teachers and school staff have a legal duty to report abuse and illegal harassment of students.

Fired and arrested? Maybe you're not familiar with how the American public education system works, or rather, fails horribly to work. The teachers in question probably got raises with a wink and a nod for helping dispose of an unpopular kid that was probably depressing the rest of the class with their constant crying from the amount of bullying they have to put up with.

Re:Editors, please. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141915)

Stop bullying the /. "editors"!!!1

Re:Editors, please. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45142123)

[0] Yes, from the perspective of the police, "cyber-bullying" is considered Aggravated Stalking (this is the charge).
[1] Aggravated Stalking is a Forcible Felony in Florida.
  - Florida is a Stand Your Ground state.
[3] Stand Your Ground states that you may use deadly force if you believe it will prevent someone from committing a Forcible Felony.

Have A Nice Day.

[0] http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2013/784.048 section (1)(d)
[1] http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2013/776.08
[2] http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2013/776.012

And what is up with the captchas? Captcha: gunshot

Why all this governmental intrusion? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141641)

This is slashdot - we believe in libertarian ideals. This is the government prying into our personal lives and harassing these girls over words they posted in their private facebook accounts.
Right?
Right?!?

Or does that expectation of privacy only apply to your porn collection or your deep seated desire to make it onto one of the prepper TV shows?

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141673)

LOL, the people who are against government spying don't care if the government sees what they post in public, they want them to stop reading what they do in private.

The bootlickers who think government spying is awesome think everything everywhere is fair game.

Who exactly are you talking to?

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141823)

STOP SPYING ON US! - as we post every tiny detail of our life on facebook.

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (1)

AlphaWoIf_HK (3042365) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141679)

Right?
Right?!?

Given that it was posted on Facebook, I'm not sure about it being "personal," but this story certainly involves government thugs.

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (3, Insightful)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141693)

I'm probably in the minority of slashdotters, but I have no problem with the government spying on my communications and seeing what porn I watch--the only problem I have is with how this information is used. Even then, if the government ever came to me and said, "Do this, or we tell the world about your [redacted] fetish," I'd respond, "Go ahead. And I'll tell the world about how you tried to blackmail me." Guess who'd be in more trouble?


And yes, I do get off on looking at those blacked-out lines on partially de-classified documents. My horrible secret is now known.

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (4, Insightful)

AlphaWoIf_HK (3042365) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141739)

but I have no problem with the government spying on my communications and seeing what porn I watch

Then you're ignorant about the importance of privacy.

the only problem I have is with how this information is used.

Given the sorts of governments we've seen throughout history, it would be foolish to believe that the information would not be abused.

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (-1)

AlphaWoIf_HK (3042365) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141795)

Why do you continue to cower? Because you're afraid of me. Afraid of the snaps I'll slurp. Your rancid asshole will soon be filled with my fetid goodies, and everyone will have rectum soup for dinner. Well, what say you, hm?

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (5, Funny)

SJHillman (1966756) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141773)

You have a redaction fetish? The FOIA must be like mail-order porn to you.

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (2)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141899)

Dude.

And yes, I do get off on looking at those blacked-out lines on partially de-classified documents. My horrible secret is now known.

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141781)

You would be - because the public at large just doesn't give a crap about things anymore. They just want their daily dose of celebrity news and American Idol.

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (1)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142031)

Your cellmates would be really interested in your stories. And you would have plenty of time to tell them, being in prison for the possession of child pornography. Maybe somebody there would even believe that "it was planted".

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (2)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142115)

First off, if I legitimately have child pornography on my computer, I deserve to be sent to prison. Secondly, law enforcement would need to obtain some sort of warrant and show probably cause to in order to go rifling through my files. Hard to explain to a judge, "My buddies at NSA told me to look for the kiddie porn they planted on this guy's machine." Third, and finally, if someone in law enforcement wants to frame me for a crime, they can do it just as well without the vast intelligent gathering network of the NSA behind them.

Note, I'm not naive enough to think that there's no easy way around Point Two, but Point Three still trumps it.

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141695)

Sure, if the police got the facebook post via an illegal search. If it was a public confession of a crime or a private confession was reported to the police by one the people it was told to, then no.

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141777)

No, you have libertarian ideals. You'll probably not read this because I am posting AC, but I do not have libertarian ideals.

The current Libertarian political party promises just a bit too much for my tastes, with the same solution that ran the USA into ruin under the baby boomers. Basically, here's your free lunch, and the government can pay for it later. The free lunch has expanded to now include many intangible freedoms, which are already protected, but for some reason (in the Libertarian mindset) require even more government to protect them more.

Over extending these ideals to absurdity calls for freedom to harass a person till they jump to their death.

We have established limits on freedom, an not just recently. The old maxim is that you are free to swing your fists until you hit my nose. Feel free to do what you want up to the point you actually harm another, after that point, you stop arguing for freedom, and start arguing for freedom to harm others. If you get that freedom, God help you when others identify you as a target, and have that freedom too.

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141943)

No, you have libertarian ideals. You'll probably not read this because I am posting AC, but I do not have libertarian ideals.

Posting as an AC? Are you suggesting that Slashdot isn't tolerant of non-orthodox points of view? Say it isn't so...

(from one AC to another)

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (2)

Salgak1 (20136) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141811)

Indeed, why the criminal charges at all ? Now, I can see CIVIL charges, suing the girls and their parents, but criminality ? Yes, the speech WAS offensive, but unless I'm mistaken the First Amendment was still the law of the land. . .

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (1)

BanHammor (2587175) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141849)

Facebook comments are not private. Felonies also exist, although I'm bothered they didn't search for any other evidence.

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45142039)

This is slashdot - we believe in libertarian ideals....
Right?
Right?!?

I thought we were all here to talk tech stuff, though we might be politically conservative or liberal or moderate or apathetic.

BUT don't let me stop you from co-opting this site for your own pet cause. You won't be the first.

Re:Why all this governmental intrusion? (1)

0111 1110 (518466) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142171)

This is slashdot - we believe in libertarian ideals.

Are kidding? Slashdot had an unusually large percentage of Libertarians back when I joined when there were only half a million members. Now that there are more than 3 million it's just mainstream politics here. Some mixture of Democrats, Republicans, and Greens. If anything I'd say the Green Party is unusually dominant now in terms of non-mainstream politics, but I'd say the vast majority of Slashdotters are Democrats.

Slashdot comment bullying to begin in (0)

Macchendra (2919537) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141645)

3... 2... 1....

Re:Slashdot comment bullying to begin in (2)

barlevg (2111272) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141711)

This comment is stupid! You should kill yourself.

Re:Slashdot comment bullying to begin in (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141775)

You probably have a point, that the aggressive dog pack mentality shown by these teens and preteens often surfaces on Slashdot and other forums (newspapers in particular) as well.

But I doubt we'll see it for this particular story.

Re:Slashdot comment bullying to begin in (2, Funny)

landofcleve (1959610) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141827)

It's more subtle here in the abuse of the moderation system.

Nothing is more evil than..... (5, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141703)

....a Early teen girl.

And yes this is 100% fact, I raised my daughter though the hell that is Midddle school and high school, Satan himself is a nice guy compared to teenage girls and the heartless crap they do to others.

Re:Nothing is more evil than..... (3, Informative)

sabbede (2678435) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141805)

I recall how my geeky little self was treated by the girls in Junior High. Statan would have been preferable.

Re:Nothing is more evil than..... (5, Informative)

halltk1983 (855209) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141907)

It doesn't end when they become adults. It's just as common in offices and social situations. They just try to hide it better from guys.

Re:Nothing is more evil than..... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45142215)

Correct. You are always much better off with a nearly all-male workplace.

Mixed works well, but *only* if management is either an exceptional male, or a good female (no, a good male doesn't cut it, he won't be good enough to notice what is happening). Nothing else can keep the ladies from destroying everything over multiple simultaneous shadow power plays. Give them two years, and you end up with a team of dangerous individuals of mediocre technical performance.

Rebecca's parents. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141769)

Bullying and the bullies actions were horrible.

But this poor girl committed suicide because she was in despair. Meaning, she felt there was no other option.

Why?

Where were her parents to say, "Ignore them. They are trash. Delete the Facebook account."

I would have gotten the kid to counseling or, and speaking as an atheist, I have to admit that many churches have wonderful youth programs that can be a wonderful benefit for kids like this - so if the family was church going, I would have done that too. (Religion does have some benefits - if you believe.)

This kid didn't have any emotional or social support. If she had the family and friends to back her up, things would have been much different.

Re:Rebecca's parents. (5, Informative)

BlacKSacrificE (1089327) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141857)

Perhaps you should read the article.

"In December, the bullying grew so intense that Rebecca began cutting herself and was sent to a hospital by her mother to receive psychiatric care. Ultimately, her mother pulled her out of Crystal Lake Middle School. She home schooled her for a while and then enrolled her in a new school in August."

Religion has nothing to do with anything. You either act, or don't. Her parents did what they thought was best. Sadly it didn't pay off.

Re:Rebecca's parents. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45142005)

Perhaps you should read the article.

Perhaps you should be less quick in making judgements based upon one's post. I only had one cup of coffee and I missed that part - twice. Gimme a break. And it still does NOT negate what was posted. That's it? They just shipped her off to the doctors? I would have done MUCH more!

Religion has nothing to do with anything.

I was merely giving an option of what they can do. I did not say or even imply religion has anything to do with it - that is your projection.

And psychiatric care?! The only thing psychiatrists know how to do is prescribe drugs - they are poorly trained in counseling. What that girl needed was someone to talk to about what she was going through. Someone to empathize and teach coping skills. Not get drugged up and numbed out with medications - and SSRIs and other modern anti-depressants do just that; which I have personal experience with.

Psychiatric care is more - "take these pills and live with it." when it comes to things like this. Where psychiatric care is useful is with severe mental illnesses like psychosis or bi-polar.

Good grief!

Re:Rebecca's parents. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141923)

According to a different article, the parents tried to address it through the school (who just changed the schedules but nothing more). When that failed, they pulled her out of school for the rest of the year and put her in counseling. They also cut off access to facebook and such, but all od the girls involved were using other websites and services that the parents were all unaware of.

If anything, this is a lesson for parents to remember that kids will find a way around any sort of technical oversight if they really want to.

This too shall pass. (4, Insightful)

BlacKSacrificE (1089327) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141813)

I feel this is a behavioral bump in the road that may disappear as my generation becomes the parental generation.

I am 30 years old. I remember a pre-WWW world (I deliberately say WWW to differentiate from chats, BBS etc, which was largely inaccessible to all but the greasiest of geeks). I have grown with the technology, and know its potential and pitfalls. My parents however have no idea of either. They got all my hand-me-down computers, they appreciated my efforts to educate them. Because I was around fro the pre WWW, analogies were easy. I knew how the postal system worked, I could easily analogise POP mail etc. But they do not know the full potential. They look up their recipes, history of [subject] info, and IMDB pages, harass and embarrass me on fakebook, but they never really matured with the technology, and never had to suffer the pitfalls. It was just suddenly there, and they shat bricks, because it was like nothing they had ever seen, and they didn't understand the dynamics. They adapted, but never understood.

I feel as my generation become the parents and out kids hit those preteen/teen years (maybe 10-15 years), the problems will go away, because we will be capable of not only being able to give good advice on troll evasion and shaming, but we will also be in a far better position to adequately monitor, and mentor, about what actually happens on the internet. We know what to look for, we know how to find it, and we know how to deal with it. Not all of my generation are savvy enough to do it, but a greater percentage of us are, as compared to the current crop of 40-50 year old who had this thrust on them by their kids demanding internet connections and fondletoys to use on them.

I feel for that girl, and her parents who were blindsided by and lost a child to a technology they had to scramble to understand. I feel for the parents of the aggressors for not knowing just how serious the shit their kids were doing. I hope and feel that my generation will be more capable than them.

I can now get arrested for NOT killing somebody?!? (2, Insightful)

landofcleve (1959610) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141819)

Transference of blame anybody?

Re:I can now get arrested for NOT killing somebody (0)

BlacKSacrificE (1089327) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141877)

Unless I miss your meaning, your logic suggests that drunk drivers who kill pedestrians are not culpable for their actions either?

Re:I can now get arrested for NOT killing somebody (1)

landofcleve (1959610) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142043)

Yeah, you missed the point entirely. And there was no logic used by you in that masterful leap.

Re:I can now get arrested for NOT killing somebody (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142223)

So let me get this straight. The idea of being responsible for your own actions, regardless of outside stimuli, lead you to claim that this means drunk driver are not responsible for the people they kill?

Re:I can now get arrested for NOT killing somebody (2)

wisnoskij (1206448) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142191)

Well at least it looks like they are only going after them for stalking, and not for murder or not caring that she died on a FB post.
Unfortunately, the death is sure to increase the sentence.

Re:I can now get arrested for NOT killing somebody (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45142219)

You mean I can't do whatever I want short of killing someone? Gasp!

Make an example (1)

benjfowler (239527) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141867)

Hope they make an example out of the little slag. And her useless parents too.

Re:Make an example (-1, Flamebait)

0111 1110 (518466) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142135)

You're really harsh. She's dead. Isn't that punishment enough?

Sticks and stones (0)

onyxruby (118189) | 1 year,5 days | (#45141883)

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me

It's an old saying used to make pretend that bullying isn't a real thing and that the victim has the power to stop things. It also happens to be one of the greatest lies ever told to generations of victims by adults that couldn't be bothered to do anything to help the victim.

Countless kids have committed or attempted suicide after being bullied to death. It's time to stop blaming the victims in society and start holding the perpetrators accountable. The kids who did this deserve to be in juvenile prison as surely as if they had pulled the trigger themselves.

Re:Sticks and stones (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45142003)

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will hurt forever.

Fixed.

Parenting: The lost art... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45141963)

I'd comment on each parent's mistakes, but I think this covers it pretty well:

Invest in your children's lives, know their influences, set (& maintain!) boundaries for them, and don't be afraid to do whatever is necessary for them to be who they need to be.

Remember, some day your children will be in charge and you'll be the one in diapers. If you do your job right, they'll pretty well do their job right.

Attention span problem? (1)

zugedneb (601299) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142071)

How the hell can these "social" sites become so imortant that they blot out any sun on their sky? Is there nothin more important for them than that in the entire life?

Also, we lament the death of these girls, but who the fuck wants these kinds of woman to be their mother, yes? What kind of man will they attract in life?
They are faulty, from the factory. Scrap and order new one...

Good (3, Insightful)

ErichTheRed (39327) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142075)

I'm noticing a lot of "waah, little baby can't handle a little teasing" posts. This is /. -- who wasn't mercilessly picked on in junior high/high school??

I'm a new parent of two kids and am not looking forward to helping them navigate the new Facebook bullying world. One of them is a girl too, so I'm sure it's going to be worse for her. I think the bad thing about it is that those of us who really got a lot of abuse in school would be able to go home and tune it out. With cell phones, Facebook and all that stuff, you can't ever escape.

One thing I do see a lot of lately is a backlash against PC and just being nice to people. Not being an ass isn't PC, it's just being a good human. Parents should teach their children this, but unfortunately no one is giving out parenting licenses (yet.) I think that would be a big help in solving the behavior problems of kids -- reining in their idiot parents. (And no, I'm no super genius parent, but watching typical 7 year olds having a screaming match with their parents complete with creative expletives makes me wonder whether I'm doing something right.

Why (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | 1 year,5 days | (#45142125)

Should the parents of taken away her cell phone, and started spying on their daughter, just because she was questioned by police?

Blame the government (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#45142167)

I really don't understand, how one can blame the kids ... the kids who did the bullying, or the girl who killed herself.

It was my understanding, that children are not adults, until the age of 18, and that parents are responsible for their actions.

Also, lets not fail to consider, the government has made it illegal to punish ones own children. If a parent so much as spanks their children lightly, or grabs their arm or attemps to control them physically in any matter, they would now be charged with child abuse.

So, our government has put parents in a position where 1) they are responsible for the actions of their children and 2) they have no means, other than words, which children are able to ignore, to police their children.

It's no surprise that our children are now 1) sociopaths and 2) victims. That is by design, and exactly what the government wants everyone to be, such that, the government may control them.

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