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Glenn Greenwald Leaves the Guardian To Start His Own Site

Unknown Lamer posted about 6 months ago | from the turns-out-it-was-just-dailykos dept.

The Media 94

sfcrazy writes "Glenn Greenwald, the thorn in the proverbial back of NSA and its colonial cousin GCHQ, is leaving the Guardian to start his own news organization. Greenwald said 'My partnership with the Guardian has been extremely fruitful and fulfilling: I have high regard for the editors and journalists with whom I worked and am incredibly proud of what we achieved. The decision to leave was not an easy one, but I was presented with a once-in-a-career dream journalistic opportunity that no journalist could possibly decline. Because this news leaked before we were prepared to announce it, I'm not yet able to provide any details of this momentous new venture, but it will be unveiled very shortly.'"

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Recruited by NSA? (4, Funny)

hawkinspeter (831501) | about 6 months ago | (#45141973)

So, it has come to this.

Re:Recruited by NSA? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45142095)

NIGGERS!

Mod this up. Fuck the easily offended! Like Lt. Uhura said when she was called a "charming nigress", "we long ago learned to stop fearing words".

Re:Recruited by NSA? (1)

happy_place (632005) | about 6 months ago | (#45142197)

kind of ironic the story leaked. I don't see why he can't tell us everything... right now... he's kinda made a living on doing that.

Re:Recruited by NSA? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45142273)

You do know that's not true?

They have lots of highly sensitive material and have to carefully vet everything they release as to not cause any serious harm to either national security or private individuals.

Re:Recruited by NSA? (1)

Aighearach (97333) | about 6 months ago | (#45145501)

No, he's been making his living sitting on a giant trove of secret documents, and doling them out bit by bit in a way that creates the desired narrative. Early on we were told about some parts of the surveillance, leading to widespread speculation about other parts. Those other parts were already known to Greenwald. He just sat there quietly while everybody ran in circles speculating. Then after they stop speculating, he doles out the answer. And everybody just responds to the "latest leak," even though it is actually just more information from the earlier leak. And we still only have a small percentage of what was leaked to him.

Re:Recruited by CIA? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about 6 months ago | (#45142483)

Step 1 Use an NSA contracter leak to establish credentials using older operations and long suspected systems.
Step 2 Create a new centre of leaking excellence.
Step 3 Request any new leakers give identity and full encrypted data dump first.
Step 4 Round up majority of new leakers on average but know to keep up appearances with via outraged sock puppets, MI5,6, NSA and congresscritters.
Step 5 Work with govs on any 'show' releases over many tens of years, questioning all encryption, spreading doubt.
Step 6 Profit for all.

Re:Recruited by CIA? (1)

BlindRobin (768267) | about 6 months ago | (#45142537)

You forgot the FSB, who's to say he can't play well with others?

Re:Recruited by CIA? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about 6 months ago | (#45142953)

The FSB is already running too many GCHQ, MI6, MI5, CIA, ASIO and NSA full term employes with real long term career advancement opportunities.
Where the NSA and CIA went for signals intelligence contractors, FSB stayed with the skilled gov staff.

Re:Recruited by CIA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45145997)

I would like to subscribe to your Centre of Leaking Excellence (CoLE) newsletter, please.

Also, I expect two complimentary box tickets to the CoLE Annual Awards Show.

Thank you

Re:Recruited by NSA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45143785)

"Recruited by NSA" should become the new "Hacked by Chinese"

Re:Recruited by NSA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45149321)

Obligatory XKCD. https://xkcd.com/1022/

Sold Out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45141977)

I was presented with a once-in-a-career dream journalistic opportunity that no journalist could possibly decline.

I guess the NSA promised him riches as long as he spreads their "we're not bad, we promise" propaganda?

Nothing like exclusives from the inner circle ;-)

Re:Sold Out? (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 6 months ago | (#45145025)

I guess the NSA promised him riches as long as he spreads their "we're not bad, we promise" propaganda?

They offered him a choice of working for either shutthefuckup.com and gitmo.com.

Doesn't seem like the best idea (4, Informative)

barlevg (2111272) | about 6 months ago | (#45141983)

IIRC the Guardian has been him with some protection (legal teams and such) to combat against government harassment / retaliation. Will his new venture be able to do the same?

Re:Doesn't seem like the best idea (1)

firex726 (1188453) | about 6 months ago | (#45142077)

Exactly, new sites, even for popular people can take awhile to get up and running. What's to stop someone from just flooding them in legal issues and cause them to bankrupt?

The Guardian likely has a team of layers on staff to deal with them, but I doubt even Glenn would have the capital to pay for that for possibly months while his user base is built up.

Re:Doesn't seem like the best idea (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45142139)

Maybe that's why he's doing this...to protect others (the Guardian staff)who were previously associated with him.

Here's to Greenwald and his sticking it to the imperialist dogs of the Five Eyes and One Chest Crapper (Germany).

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Doesn't seem like the best idea (3, Funny)

Captain Hook (923766) | about 6 months ago | (#45142161)

The Guardian likely has a team of layers on staff to deal with them

It wouldn't be the first sex sting against members of the government run by a news organisation but how do they get around the pimping laws?

Re:Doesn't seem like the best idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45143969)

Brazilian bureaucracy?

Much to learn, you still have.

Re:Doesn't seem like the best idea (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 6 months ago | (#45143397)

Seeing as how we're not in on most of the conversations that took place, we can only guess. It's possible they said they weren't going to do that for him anymore. It's also possible they will STILL do this for him, but as a separate organization on paper, there is less risk to the parent organization. I guess sort of like a shell corporation.

Re:Doesn't seem like the best idea (1)

mrspoonsi (2955715) | about 6 months ago | (#45143507)

It goes beyond legal protection...to eliminate the Guardian from the scene, it is a big organisation - hard work, but a guy starting out on his own (or with a small team), he might just find himself floating the wrong way up in the Thames, after all it is spy agencies he is working against and they have many creative ways (poisoned umbrella, radioactive drink just to name a few Russian favs).

Re:Doesn't seem like the best idea (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 6 months ago | (#45145057)

These days in Western intelligence, rape charges and other smear tactics are the preferred assassination technique. Why deal with something as messy as bullets and poisons when a nasty sex-offender charge can do the job just as well? Assassination by character assassination.

Re:Doesn't seem like the best idea (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 6 months ago | (#45145431)

Issue is, this guy is openly gay and has a partner. He is also in a country that doesn't like NSA very much right now. It's much more difficult to frame someone who's like that than someone who is single, visits a country bought and paid for and actually has sex with people he doesn't know very well.

Re:Doesn't seem like the best idea (1)

Aighearach (97333) | about 6 months ago | (#45145545)

Mostly the guardian has had to protect themselves from their own government in relation to his leaks, and to protect him while he is traveling to their location in the UK. Greenwald is Brazilian, and presumably his own government loves his work.

who is Glenn Greenwald? (-1, Troll)

Steve_Ussler (2941703) | about 6 months ago | (#45142015)

Didn't know who Glenn Greenwald is until I read this article...can't say I care now.

Re:who is Glenn Greenwald? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45142059)

It is ok Glenn Greenwald doesnt care about you either.

Re:who is Glenn Greenwald? (2)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about 6 months ago | (#45142121)

No problem - the propaganda writing machines will continue to provide you with all the pablum you want. Plus you get important insider information, such as whether Obama puts on his left shoe or his right shoe first. Think about the obviously important political metaphor.

Re:who is Glenn Greenwald? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45142261)

Don't you have a recorded episode of "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader?" to challenge yourself with?

Re:who is Glenn Greenwald? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45147489)

There's a reason your posts start at 0.

Shielding The Guardian from the government? (5, Interesting)

intermodal (534361) | about 6 months ago | (#45142047)

I have a feeling Mr. Greenwald's articles will continue in The Guardian, but being external may help them avoid some of the legal hassles they are presently subjected to.

Slashdot prudism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45142061)

I'm not a native speaker, but the proverb refers to a thorn in the backSIDE, IIRC not the back. Which, is located directly below the back.
Is Slashdot getting (extremely) prudish?

Re:Slashdot prudism (1)

Gibgezr (2025238) | about 6 months ago | (#45143701)

The proverb actually refers to a thorn in the paw; colloquialization (a word I just made up, thankyouverymuch) of the proverb gives us "thorn in my ass"-style commentary.

Re:Slashdot prudism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45145201)

colloquialization (a word I just made up, thankyouverymuch)

no you didn't

Re:Slashdot prudism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45145549)

I'm not a native speaker, but the proverb refers to a thorn in the backSIDE, IIRC not the back.

I am a native speaker and never heard "thorn in my back" or "thorn in my backside" (and WTF are you talking about? That phrase isn't in TFS). It comes from a bible passage, 2 Corinthians 12:7 but isn't a thorn in my side or back or backside. "Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong."

Re:Slashdot prudism (2)

newcastlejon (1483695) | about 6 months ago | (#45147101)

It's "a thorn in one's side" and "a pain in the neck".
Note: I am a native English (as in England) speaker.

Re:Slashdot prudism (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | about 6 months ago | (#45177627)

Note: I am a native English (as in England) speaker.

by newcastlejon

I take it that's not the Geordie-land Newcastle then? Wey-aye?

Adversarial Journalism (4, Interesting)

MCSEBear (907831) | about 6 months ago | (#45142069)

I find the thought of a well funded media outlet staffed by people who don't see their most important job as being subservient to those in power and corporate interests quite appealing.

Pro Publica has been doing good work in this arena as well.

He's working for TMZ now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45142107)

He's always wanted to stalk celebrities; it's a dream come true.

Re:He's working for TMZ now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45142949)

Almost spit my coffee out....

Thanks

Colonial Cousin? (2)

IRGlover (1096317) | about 6 months ago | (#45142119)

The NSA would be the Colonial Cousin, not GCHQ. As far as I know, the UK has never (officially) been a colony of the US!

Re:Colonial Cousin? (1)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about 6 months ago | (#45142205)

"Officially" being the key word. However, since Blair left, they seem to be acting a bit more like a sovereign country.

Re:Colonial Cousin? (2)

CurryCamel (2265886) | about 6 months ago | (#45142549)

Dear IRGlover,

In the future, please order your history books from amazon.com, not from amazon.co.uk.

sincerely,
W.Smith
revisor, Ficdep, Minitrue

Re:Colonial Cousin? (1)

alex67500 (1609333) | about 6 months ago | (#45143457)

I think the roles were turned around after WWII. The UK has acted like a 51st state for a while now (the French call it "the state who didn't row fast enough"). Hence GCHQ being neck-deep in an NSA-driven surveillance scheme, not the other way around -- and ECHELON was the same.

Re:Colonial Cousin? (1)

chilvence (1210312) | about 6 months ago | (#45148147)

You're still using the word colonial wrong even if you believe that. If you want to literally colonise the UK, it means you have to move back here, and live here. Forever. Enjoy the fucking weather.

The submitter simply mixed up the fact that we are a country with a history of colonisation, with the fact that we are colonials. Which is a fair point if you acknowledge our origins in modern day Denmark and Germany...

Re:Colonial Cousin? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45143751)

In fact just the opposite. As far as I know, the US has always been a colony of the UK. Just ask John Jay Esq., John Adams Esq., Ben Franklin Esq.

ESQUIRE n. Earlier as squire n.1 lme. [Origin French. esquier (mod. écuyer) f. Latin scutarius shield - bearer, f. scutum shield: see - ary 1.] 1. Orig. (now Hist.), a young nobleman who, in training for knighthood, acted as shield-bearer and attendant to a knight. Later, a man belonging to the higher order of English gentry, ranking next below a knight. lme. b Hist. Any of various officers in the service of a king or nobleman. c A landed proprietor, a country squire. arch. - Oxford English Dictionary 1999.

Esquire, being a title of nobility assigned by the crown, is it any wonder those with the title signed the Treaty of Paris to maintain his Royal Highness' dominion of America.

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/paris/text.html [earlyamerica.com]

Article 4: It is agreed that creditors on either side shall meet with no lawful impediment to the recovery of the full value in sterling money of all bona fide debts heretofore contracted.

We were in debt to the king, so they pretended to give us our freedom as long as we pay them all of our wealth and back debt. We had no money though... It gets better in 1933!

Bezos ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45142149)

I wonder if Jeff Bezos recent acquisitions have anything to do with this once in a lifetime opportunity.

Greg Palast (1)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about 6 months ago | (#45142235)

Extra points if they add Greg Palast.

P.S. Why is it that the best American investigative journalists work for British publications? Do British investigative journalists work for American publications?

Re:Greg Palast (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45142313)

Homeland security.

Re:Greg Palast (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 6 months ago | (#45142527)

Your mistake is the assumption that American publications do investigative journalism. At this point just about the only publications/news sources that do any kind of investigation are SI and ESPN.

Re:Greg Palast (2)

AHuxley (892839) | about 6 months ago | (#45142633)

MI6 knows from the Russians to look after the tame US press. A good MI6 press asset can subject the entire US population to creative UK propaganda over a life of quality work.
Where the CIA has to publicly get the US to befriend a world of juntas and dictators, MI6 just has to befriend a few in the press to shape nations.

Re:Greg Palast (4, Informative)

coolmadsi (823103) | about 6 months ago | (#45143161)

P.S. Why is it that the best American investigative journalists work for British publications? Do British investigative journalists work for American publications?

The Private Eye (UK publication) seems to do a lot of the investigations into British affairs that a lot of the rest of the British media avoid.

Re:Greg Palast (2)

TractorBarry (788340) | about 6 months ago | (#45143471)

+10 Informative.

Private Eye very often uncovers wrongdoing that other papers simply won't touch.

And beware the curse of Gnome !

Re:Greg Palast (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45146801)

Although of course the Eye is far from perfect. Check out how long they took to back down on Andrew Wakefield and MMR. Sometimes, when the other papers stop talking about a story it's not because they've been sat on, it's because they've realised it wasn't true and they don't want further taint. The Eye probably cost a few lives there, propping up Wakefield's scare-mongering ensured some reasonable people would avoid vaccination and thus put their children at risk. All to put more money in some liar's pockets.

Nobody supposes the Eye's editorial staff did this on purpose for one moment, but when you read something extraordinary in the Eye you should take an extra moment to remember that it might just be a bunch of horse shit.

Re:Greg Palast (1)

Nyder (754090) | about 6 months ago | (#45144221)

...

P.S. Why is it that the best American investigative journalists work for British publications? Do British investigative journalists work for American publications?

Yes, John Oliver works for the Daily Show.

Oh, wait, you said investigative journalists and he's a comedian, well, that about the same these days.

Re:Greg Palast (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45145609)

They could hire Palast as a researcher, but then they should let someone else put together the articles. Palast is a mediocre writer on his good days - on other days he's so disorganized his work is almost incoherent.

Re:Greg Palast (1)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about 6 months ago | (#45146153)

Most journalists are not great writers. I've heard Palast's writing style described as a bit over-the-top, but not as disorganized. Are you talking about his articles or his books?

Regardless, he is a hell of an investigator. He was the first to ferret out the real issue behind the 2000 Florida election fiasco (black voters deliberately, and erroneously, struck from the voter registration). IIRC it was at least six months before WaPo or NYT finally reported that.

Re:Greg Palast (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45146841)

I've been on his email list for a while - nothing I've read there has inspired me to invest time or money into any of his books.

Here's a recent example: http://www.gregpalast.com/the-golden-dawn-murder-case-larry-summers-and-the-new-fascism/ [gregpalast.com]

It's apparently how international debt has led to violence in Greece, but he doesn't mention the "real culprits" until 14 paragraphs in. Prior to that, we get a mention of his investigation (*everything* from Palast includes something about Palast), and several side trips, including into the Oklahoma City bombing. And after that we get a fairy tale, but few actual details from whatever he was investigating.

Disorganized seems almost a kind term. His style doesn't seem to be aimed at convincing or informing - I'm not sure what his goal is sometimes.

Congratulations (4, Insightful)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 6 months ago | (#45142263)

It has been said that the business of journalists is, "to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable." Modern American journalism has inverted that phrase, mocking the weak to help the masses feel better about their dreary normalcy and fawning over the elite in hopes of being granted the favor of an interview or the opportunity to ask a question at a press conference. Glenn Greenwald has shown himself to be cut from cloth more worthy of the journalist mantle.

Thank you, Mr. Greenwald, and congratulations. "You earned it," has rarely sounded more apropos.

Re:Congratulations (0)

cold fjord (826450) | about 6 months ago | (#45142997)

Unfortunately things can be a bit more complicated [nationalpost.com] than what the phrase about journalists and your praise of Greenwald suggests.

Re:Congratulations (2)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 6 months ago | (#45143197)

Unfortunately things can be a bit more complicated than what the phrase about journalists and your praise of Greenwald suggests.

I would rather die free than live in fear.

Re:Congratulations (2)

Gibgezr (2025238) | about 6 months ago | (#45143877)

Something the U.S., as a nation, seems to not understand: by making a huge fuss about a "war on terror", they have, by definition, lost the war on terror.

Re:Congratulations (1)

intermodal (534361) | about 6 months ago | (#45147311)

I would rather die free than live in fear.

I only wish so many governments weren't perfectly willing to help you with that.

Re:Congratulations (1)

Hatta (162192) | about 6 months ago | (#45143651)

I'm not afraid of terrorists, I'm afraid of my own government. The threat from terrorism is negligible. The very real damage done by bad government is overwhelming. The only weapon we have in the fight against corruption is journalism, and Greenwald is the only real journalist we have left.

SELL IT OR LOSE IT !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45142307)

It is going the republican way -- D-O-W-N !!

backwards (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45142317)

The usual expresion is "thorn in the side" and GCHQ is in the "mother country", America was the colony...how accurate is the rest of the article?

Greenwald's new media venture (4, Informative)

gordona (121157) | about 6 months ago | (#45142545)

This venture is being funded by EBAY founder Pierre Omidyar (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/15/us-usa-security-greenwald-idUSBRE99E18D20131015).

And there's more... (4, Informative)

hyades1 (1149581) | about 6 months ago | (#45142809)

There are now reports that Jeremy Scahill and Laura Poitras, two journalists with serious cred in the area of spying and national security, will join Greenwald at the new site.

From TFA:

"Scahill, a dogged investigative journalist who focuses on national security, and Poitras, a filmmaker who has extensively covered surveillance issues, had already been in discussions with Greenwald about starting a venture together when Omidyar approached with a similar vision for a new media outlet, sources said. The Washington Post reported Tuesday night that Poitras and Scahill may be potential âoehiresâ at the new site. But according to sources, they were already in talks with Greenwald about working together and are not only now being recruited for the venture".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/16/glen-greenwald-media_n_4107289.html [huffingtonpost.com]

Re:And there's more... (1)

undeadbill (2490070) | about 6 months ago | (#45143705)

Oh, that is interesting. Jeremy Scahill was one of Amy Goodman's star interns at Democracy Now!, and is the kind of person who would work very well within the kind of journalism that Greenwald does.

As far as leaving the Guardian is concerned, the British government came in and literally smashed computers in the Guardian's own offices over Greenwald's work- having some organizational separation between Greenwald might be a good thing.

Re:And there's more... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45144809)

I hope they hire Greg Palast and Katherine Eban as well.

CIA: overt or covert? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45143739)

I hear many statements like "He is going to work for big bucks for the CIA."

What he should be careful of is that this may be a CIA honeypot that he doesn't know about.

Reminds me of the spider man movie (1)

js3 (319268) | about 6 months ago | (#45143793)

"Attack what he loves", this would make it far easier to silence him that he thinks.

Too good to be true? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45144479)

Now if his new position requires travel and credential material, guess who won't end up at his destination, or who'll be quite surprised at who his benefactors are going to be cooperating with?

An offer too good to be true at this point of time might be just that.

Release it all already (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45145945)

What's the point of a leak if he's gonna choose what gets out....

IT'S A TRAP! (1)

Optic7 (688717) | about 6 months ago | (#45146033)

Hmmm... this once in a lifetime journalistic opportunity wouldn't happen to require him to take a quick little trip to the US or to some other US-associated (most of the developed world) country, would it? I'm thinking of the "you've won a prize!" traps that the police sets up once in a while to trap people that have arrest warrants.

am i the only liberal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45146911)

thinks GG is prolix and inflammatory, often making extreme charges that are un warranted ?

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