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NVIDIA Demos "Digital Ira" With Faceworks On Next-Gen SoC, Under Ubuntu

timothy posted about a year ago | from the is-it-creepy-yet? dept.

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MojoKid writes "NVIDIA is holding a tech event currently in Montreal to showcase a number of the tools and technologies the company has developed to foster state of the art in game development. NVIDIA's VP of Content and Technology, Tony Tomasi took a moment to show off Faceworks, and the 'Digital Ira' face that they've demoed at various events over the last year or so. This particular demo was a little different, however, in that it was running on Logan test kit. If you're unfamiliar, Logan is the codename for one of NVIDIA's next-gen mobile SoCs, which features a Kepler-based GPU, like current GeForce GTX 600 and 700 series parts. The demo ran perfectly smooth and the quality of imagery was as good as we've seen on any other platform to date, console, PC or mobile. Incidentally, the demo was running on an Ubuntu Linux OS."

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SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (2)

lesincompetent (2836253) | about a year ago | (#45153363)

I wonder wether the supposed rudeness of Linus' finger had a positive awakening effect on Nvidia after all...

Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (1)

MrDoh! (71235) | about a year ago | (#45154569)

!Can't be that, everyone said that was a terrible way to be professional and get things done.

Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (2)

Enderandrew (866215) | about a year ago | (#45154595)

I think it has more to do with the fact that ATI/AMD locked up the console market for the next gen with Wii U, XBox One and PS4 contracts. Nvidia had to find a new market to shift to, which meant Android devices and Steam boxes. Both meant improving Linux Nvidia drivers.

Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45156873)

No I did not.

Just look at:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=167195&p=6

The latest beta drivers are rubbish at best. Nothing will change! There are bugs in the NVIDIA drivers that exists since the past 6 years and are cross plattform causing random crash in windows and linux.

AMD drivers are open source and much better compare to utter rubbish. At least I am never buying an NVIDA card in my life and I will also convince my company to do the same.

Express truck (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#45153387)

I would be afraid of releasing a tool that automated facial expressions for fear of getting hit with a dozen patent letters.

Re:Express truck (2, Funny)

MrDoh! (71235) | about a year ago | (#45154577)

I smiled outside an Apple Store once and was told my grin was too rounded.

If the drivers are closed, I still don't care. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45153391)

Closed drivers are a massive pain in the ass, I just not buying anything else with them.

Re:If the drivers are closed, I still don't care. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45155619)

further, there beta latest drivers don't support their own cards:

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=167195&p=6

This problem exisits for at least two years and it will stay the same for the next months and probably years.

Bingo (1)

ISoldat53 (977164) | about a year ago | (#45153403)

Buzzword bingo much?

Re: Bingo (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45153489)

Wouldn't State of the Art game development involve something other than graphics presentation? Like maybe the game, and gameplay elements? A fps engine is not a game.

Re: Bingo (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45153631)

Hey, jackass - NVIDIA is showcasing tools and technologies used to make games, not the games themselves.

Re: Bingo (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | about a year ago | (#45154077)

It is, however, an extremely important game development tool. They are showcasing state of the art tools they have developed for game development, not the development of state of the art games. At least, that's what TFS is claiming: it sounds like it's written by Nvidia's PR department... which, actually, wouldn't surprise me. Well, except PR writing generally tends to be of a bit higher quality than the summary (so, don't think my comment was critical of your misunderstanding: poor writing begets poor understanding).

Re:Bingo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45153611)

My thoughts exactly.

Gibberish train (2)

oldhack (1037484) | about a year ago | (#45153483)

Kepler, Logan, Ira, What's-that-face, whatever.

"If you are unfamiliar", it says.

Re:Gibberish train (1)

clarkn0va (807617) | about a year ago | (#45154267)

The icing on the cake is that the article apparently contains no video. Isn't this about a demonstration of video rendering technology? No, I didn't bother to read the article, and no, there is no cake.

is nvidia relevant in the mobile space? (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#45153509)

seems like Apple and qualcomm rule most of the market. i rarely see any new device coming out that doesn't have apple or qualcomm soc's in there

Re:is nvidia relevant in the mobile space? (2)

diguy (123146) | about a year ago | (#45153639)

They make the Tegra which is used in some tablets

http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra.html

Re:is nvidia relevant in the mobile space? (2)

somersault (912633) | about a year ago | (#45153853)

Tegra 2 and 3 were pretty popular. Tegra 4 seems less so. Maybe Tegra 5 will be more popular. Whatever - competition is always good!

Devices that used Tegra [wikipedia.org]

Re:is nvidia relevant in the mobile space? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45154253)

Which is a little bit disappointing, considering the Tegra 4 performs really nicely in the Shield.

Re:is nvidia relevant in the mobile space? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45164007)

Apple doesn't make their own GPU, they use PowerVR.

Most of the low cost, no name Chinese tablets, phones and handheld game devices use Mali GPUs.

frist STop! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45153539)

reformatted EFNet, and applVy

All I can say is (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45153569)

Damn Provos!

Re:All I can say is (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45153719)

Indeed. I thought the article would be about Irish cyber-terrorists funded by American hypocrites.

P.S. I apologise for using the prefix "cyber".

How is Facebook related to it? (0)

Alexey Solofnenko (3400941) | about a year ago | (#45153723)

It is mentioned only in the title.

Various wheels are beginning to turn (4, Insightful)

Dega704 (1454673) | about a year ago | (#45153833)

Nvidia must be confident about the Steam Machines, given the development effort they have been putting into Linux (I doubt Linus' middle finger was the main motivator, although a nice public shaming didn't seem to hurt either). It makes sense, though. AMD seemingly won the entire console market this time around, but Nvidia then said that it wasn't worth the thin profit margins. If the Steam Machines are as successful as a lot of us are hoping, then Nvidia could wind up being the real winner if they keep their Linux driver as far ahead as it is. It makes you wonder how much they knew about Valve's plans when they ceded all three major consoles to AMD.

Re:Various wheels are beginning to turn (5, Interesting)

ledow (319597) | about a year ago | (#45154375)

AMD and Intel will always get a win here or there, that's the nature of business. If you undercut someone enough to make a loss-leader product that's technically inferior, but sell it well enough, someone big will buy it so they can push out units. In the same way that no console is ever "state-of-the-art", there are a myriad decisions where the balance of value, cost, specifications and real-world performance combine to win the business.

But nVidia, it has to be said, has the lead generally. There are markets here and there and individual counter-examples, but nVidia really does the better job. As someone who owned one of the early 3DFX's, and through ATI Xpert@Work series and a myriad cards in between and through to the present day, I can't honestly consider non-nVidia things nowadays and I'll happily add £200 to a laptop price to get an equivalent model with nVidia graphics. And that's a laptop. And though I'm not your overclocker-ever-fps-counts-twitch-gaming gamer, I play a damn lot of games and spend a lot of money on them, and my preference is nVidia on a laptop (game anywhere with one machine, and even in a power cut, and not worry about 60/120fps pettiness) and run demanding OpenCL software.

The Steambox using nVidia would have been my only choice. It would be suspicious and laughed at if they'd said to use AMD or Intel on a gaming box with such a high recommended spec (even though a lot of the work on Linux drivers has been focused on getting everything out of Intel chipsets). Remember, "SteamBox" means nothing - it's just a collection of hardware that runs Steam OS so there will be AMD Steam Boxes from someone at some point (and they'll probably run AMD chips instead of Intel, too). They may be slightly cheaper and have slightly more bugs and slightly less performance but they won't be vastly different in terms of value for money if they are expect to be sold to people.

I would love Steam Box / SteamOS. I'd probably never install it on anything. That's from someone who was on Steam on day one and has got his ex-wife, girlfriend, brother, and even parents into having their own personal Steam accounts (whether that's 100 hrs on TF2 for my brother or 1000 hrs on Bookworm for my mum, or 10 hours on point-and-click adventure for my girlfriend). I wouldn't give them a SteamBox, because they don't need it with personal laptops, but I imagine they could be a serious contender if we can get the line "Which console will you buy this year? Playstation? Xbox? Wii? Or SteamBox?" into the public media.

However, the controller and the EXISTENCE of the OS is incredibly interesting. And the best bit is that a "Steam Box" doesn't exist as a thing... you'll get people making "overclocker's Steam Machines" and budget Raspberry-Pi-style "Nano-Steam Machines". THAT'S the exciting bit.

What card is in there is moot so long as people AREN'T able to tell just from playing on it. And AMD can play catch-up incredibly quickly if it becomes as popular as we hope. Hell, they only have to release one decent open driver for one particular chipset and EVERYONE will jump on it to make Steam Machines from it because it's the one with the open driver.

The biggest excitement? This is yet-another-device that will be in the home and may become a household name that will run Linux. Everyone has a TomTom or a Kindle or an Android device, and now we're pushing Linux into it's traditionally-regarded weak market. Once you get a household with Linux on everything else but the home PC, how long is it before the home PC doesn't even come with a Windows license anymore? Hell, I see people selling Windows/Android laptops and netbooks and tablet PC's already.

That's the exciting part, not that the only decent gaming cards are announced to go into a gaming computer that can use anything it likes.

Re:Various wheels are beginning to turn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45156651)

AMD has the lead with linux drivers. That is extremly sad as their linux drivers probably suck too, but NVIDIA drivers are the worst thing on earth (just goolge "fuck you nvidia" from linus on youtube). A lot of people don't realize this as in the past NVIDIA drivers where better. As steam runs linux I am happy to have steam boxes with AMD in the future.

LINK
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=167195&p=6

Re:Various wheels are beginning to turn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45163203)

While I agree with you if you're running Linux (Both companies have horrible drivers but at least Nvidia's `work'), if you run Windows and want performance/price for gaming and openCL saying you won't even consider AMD is just plain stupid. It's a very close match-up which in m experience AMD wins, especially if you consider game-bundels which come with high-end cards.
And on the openCL part, AMD tends to win big. Especially if you need double-precision computing or need to do hashing. Sure, some programs only support Nvidia fo GPGPU but that is because they use CUDA, and that needs to die already and Nvidia needs to learn and play nice and put their effort into OpenCL together with the rest of the industry.

Re:Various wheels are beginning to turn (1)

ledow (319597) | about a year ago | (#45164083)

I spent many years diagnosing blue-screens and all kinds of weird behaviour with ATI/AMD graphics chips. That history doesn't just go away, and I hear enough from my IT-literate friends to think that it's not swayed in the other direction significantly. We all have our opinion. To me, no amount of performance is worth data loss on a machine I might well be storing work on. And the benchmark differences just don't justify having to deal with that amount of hassle on any platform.

If every nanosecond mattered, that would be a different use-case and we're not talking consumer hardware any more. For the vast majority of home/business use, it doesn't matter that much.

Re:Various wheels are beginning to turn (1)

wwfarch (1451799) | about a year ago | (#45168731)

I used to say I had no particular brand loyalty. Then I bought a couple of AMD cards in Crossfire and now I can wholeheartedly say that I side with Nvidia. The number of graphical issues, blue screens, etc... I had to put up with was absolutely ridiculous. When I ran a single card it behaved much better but still had a lot of issues. In short: the drivers were absolutely horrendous and this was on Windows which is presumably where most of their effort goes.

Re:Various wheels are beginning to turn (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#45155667)

Steam Machines are ALREADY successful, they are called gaming PCs. The biggest hurdle is educating and redefining the terms. SO many people are still under the impression that Steam Machine = Workstation PC that also plays games.

Re:Various wheels are beginning to turn (1)

Mike Frett (2811077) | about a year ago | (#45156005)

Incidentally, the newest fglrx AMD Graphic Driver supports the new 3.12 Kernel -- Nvidia doesn't. There is also a huge performance boost to AMD Cards with the 3.12 Kernel; AMD is picking up speed on Linux. As far as quality, even on Windows Nvidia is better so I wouldn't expect AMD to be better anytime soon. There is one place where AMD surpasses Nvidia, that's the Open Source driver. Nvidia doesn't have an Open Source driver, but some kids managed to hack a bit and create one; although not official and not anywhere as good as AMDs Open Source Radeon driver.

Hardware is different, and on my hardware with an 6670 GPU, I can't say that I've had any issues with AMD on Linux. It's possible it's because I build all my machines especially for Linux. My Tip for a Linux computer is to build it yourself so you know the hardware. If you buy a Windows machine, there is no guarantee it will work on Linux without some tinkering, that's where most users have Issues I assume; Windows Hardware/Computer.

Re:Various wheels are beginning to turn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45156735)

Many don't yet realize that NVIDIA doesn't care about linux and won't in the future.

Just look at:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=167195&p=6

Their latest linux drivers are total utter rubbish and as time goes buy people will notice that NVIDIA doesn't care about linux. They are like Nokia, not willing to change. Linus says "Fuck you Nvidia". Nvidia says: "we don't care. linux is not important for our sales, go fuck yourself!"

Re:Various wheels are beginning to turn (1)

gerddie (173963) | about a year ago | (#45158417)

There is also a huge performance boost to AMD Cards with the 3.12 Kernel;

That is only [phoronix.com] because a problem with the ondemand performance governor was corrected [anzwix.com] .

I still have an AMD based system though (cpu, chipset, and gpu).

Digital IRA!? (1)

BadDreamer (196188) | about a year ago | (#45154285)

The Irish Republican Army is digital now? Is that like a semi-military botnet?

Re:Digital IRA!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45155531)

My thoughts exactly...

Re:Digital IRA!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45155581)

No, this is an Individual Retirement Account on your GPU.

Microsoft BOB (1)

rahvin112 (446269) | about a year ago | (#45154503)

Sounds like Microsoft Bob all over again.

They should call Melinda Gates and get her input.

Tegra 5 is already obsolete (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45154541)

Tegra 5 is so unthinkably late, it is irrelevant to Nvidia long before it even sees a commercial launch. Nvidia is working as quickly as possible to ready the vastly improved Tegra 6 for 2014, taking advantage of TSMC's first process shrink in a very long time. Tegra 5 will be a horribly poor match for the 28nm process. Tegra 6 will seek to hurtle Nvidia into the high-end ARM SoC market leadership position on the brand-new 20nm process.

Nvidia entered the ARM market to be a clear LEADER, and screwed this ambition up badly with the horrible Tegra 1 parts, the late Tegra 2 part that 'forgot' to include NEON, the late Tegra 3 part, and the VERY late Tegra 4 part. So far, only Tegra 3 got Nvidia worthwhile design wins (because the lateness forced Nvidia to give great discounts), but Qualcomm took away ALL Nvidia's partners with the next round of tablets.

Tegra 5 gives Nvidia the chance to demonstrate their new ARM strategy of fusing 64-bit ARM cores (ARMv8 - desktop class) with PC-class AAA GPU cores (remember, ONLY AMD and Nvidia can offer state-of-the-art GPU solutions). But the existence of Tegra 6 makes Tegra 5 look like a very ignorable part, especially when you consider that Tegra 5 is made on the same process as Tegra 4, and Tegra 4 is considered to have major power issues.

Tegra 6 vs Tegra 5 is a repeat of Tegra 2 vs Tegra 3. Tegra 3 fixed all the issues of Tegra 2, and was quite a desirable part. Likewise, Nvidia is bound to have learnt a great deal from building Tegra 5, and Tegra 6 should iron out all the teething troubles, with a vastly better performance.

Truth be told, Nvidia stands no chance in the traditional mobile ARM market. Nvidia needs ARM to go big-battery mobile/laptop and mains desktop. But it is a complication that mid-end ARM parts from all kinds of companies could handle the computing needs (including non-AAA gaming graphics) for 99% of people in 2014. Chips like Tegra 6, while very powerful, will be (initially) extremely expensive to make.

Except for power-users and AAA-gamers, it seems that the value is rapidly disappearing from general PC solutions.

Re:Tegra 5 is already obsolete (2)

rephlex (96882) | about a year ago | (#45154899)

Tegra 5 gives Nvidia the chance to demonstrate their new ARM strategy of fusing 64-bit ARM cores (ARMv8 - desktop class) with PC-class AAA GPU cores

Tegra 5 uses ARM's A15-Cortex 32-bit ARMv7 core. Tegra 6 will be Nvidia's first SoC to use their custom designed 64-bit ARMv8 core.

Nvidia Demos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45154639)

I watched a demo long ago of some chick walking on a tree branch and looking all sexy. Noticed the clothes were over a naked body. Got a patch to make her nude. Fapped to it.

Re: Nvidia Demos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45155535)

If I recall correctly. That was an elf woman. And she was modeled full nude and the clothes added.

Re:Nvidia Demos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45158705)

4chan, iz dat u /b/ro?

no linux support no nvidia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45155379)

The latest beta linux drivers from NVIDIA don't support nvidia graphic cards. not at all! since nothing changed the last two years, this will probably stay the same the next two years, at least for all labtop that have the dreaded "nvidia optimus" failure in them.

Sadly, Nvidia didn't get the message when Linus Torvalds said "FUCK U Nvidia!!".

So in the future there are steam boxes running linux with AMD graphic cards.

LINK:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=167195&p=6

Re:no linux support no nvidia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45157131)

The latest beta linux drivers from NVIDIA don't support nvidia graphic cards. not at all!

Yeah, and then there's the rest of your comment that doesn't make any sense ;^)

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