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Tech's Highest-Paid Engineers Are At Juniper

timothy posted about 10 months ago | from the fringes-matter-quite-a-bit dept.

The Almighty Buck 105

Phoghat writes "The guys at Glassdoor have compiled a list of the 25 tech companies with the best salaries for software engineers. Google and Facebook made the list, of course. So did Apple and Twitter. But the company at the very top is a bit of a surprise: networking gear maker Juniper Networks."

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What are they doing there? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45170657)

Come back, come back!

Re:What are they doing there? (1)

sabri (584428) | about 10 months ago | (#45172287)

Come back, come back!

Nice try, Dan, nice try.

(insider joke, I just left JNPR and my manager's name was Dan :-)

Re:What are they doing there? (1)

smash (1351) | about 10 months ago | (#45172587)

tweaking freebsd to create JunOS.

Re:What are they doing there? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 10 months ago | (#45173385)

Quite a few of them are working on upstreaming JunOS changes to FreeBSD.

Re:What are they doing there? (1)

timkofu (2552496) | about 10 months ago | (#45173685)

Good work then. 9.2 is great.

Thanks slashdot.... now I feel underpaid. (4, Funny)

mark-t (151149) | about 10 months ago | (#45170727)

I barely make half of the average of the 25th place company...

Re:Thanks slashdot.... now I feel underpaid. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45170787)

Serves you right for living in British Columbia.

Re:Thanks slashdot.... now I feel underpaid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45170931)

Well, at least that broken leg won't cost him 10 years of salary..... oh, wait - forgot that Obamacare is a reality, so I can't make this joke any more.

Re:Thanks slashdot.... now I feel underpaid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45178901)

Fuck Obama care.

Re:Thanks slashdot.... now I feel underpaid. (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 10 months ago | (#45172579)

Serves you right for living in British Columbia.

Hey, I live in BC, though I only earn about $6000 less (ok, let's say about $10,000 if we include currency conversion) below #25.

I did turn down a job that would've put my pay right in the middle of pack, too.

But I will say I only work 40 hours a week, so there's that aspect. I don't put in crazy hours at all.

Re:Thanks slashdot.... now I feel underpaid. (0)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 10 months ago | (#45171165)

Well, Mark, maybe it's time to move up from Dairy Queen to Jack In The Box...

Re:Thanks slashdot.... now I feel underpaid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45172029)

I make just over half of the average of the company I actually work for, which is on that list. And yes, I'm an engineer. Now I feel underpaid.

Re:Thanks slashdot.... now I feel underpaid. (2)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about 10 months ago | (#45172511)

Don't feel bad. At least you don't work for Juniper. That's a reputation an engineer can do without!

Think of it this way: Juniper has to hire the best and brightest, because if they don't, they're fucked. Their products are horrible; they need drastic improvement, and they don't have the market share like Cisco does to muscle competitors or victims.

this does not include stock, bonus (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45170733)

base pay only. Only total package counts.

Re:this does not include stock, bonus (1)

Dishwasha (125561) | about 10 months ago | (#45171553)

That's what she said.

Bad data (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45170747)

Base salary is only a fraction of the compensation. I work for one of the top 5 and the base plus stock per year for a fresh COLLEGE GRADUATE engineer is higher than the "average" salary listed for the company. All this really says is that your company is in Silicon Valley where you need 100k a year to rent a decent apartment.

Re:Bad data (1)

francium de neobie (590783) | about 10 months ago | (#45170971)

If you're a fresh grad or a young person making good salary, you can always rent a single family house and share it with a few teammates. I've been doing this for 2 years now and rent expenditure has been pretty low for me.

The real problem though.. is even if you make $200k+ per year here, it's still difficult to buy a house in a decent school district.

Re:Bad data (1)

war4peace (1628283) | about 10 months ago | (#45171483)

I thought one of the perks making a good salary is NOT having roommates anymore.

Re:Bad data (2)

francium de neobie (590783) | about 10 months ago | (#45171663)

Well, I'd rather save $2k - $3k every month and have housemates. That's $36k per year of extra cash for Christ's sake. You roll that into Tesla in the beginning of this year and now it's $150k (okay you'd need to be quite lucky to do this); or you roll that into BitCoins whenever there's a panic; or you just save it up and wait for the next market crash. But as you can see.. if you save and invest that, it becomes Porsche or even Ferrari money pretty quickly.

... and... that's still not enough for a good house :(

Re:Bad data (3, Insightful)

lgw (121541) | about 10 months ago | (#45172805)

Save $2k/month? That's off. When I lived in Silly Valley this year my rent was less than $2k, and I had a nice modern 2-bedroom (and no roommate). Of course, that was with a bit of a commute - close in it would have been 2200 or so.

It's amazing what people can find to spend their money on. Live cheap until you're independently wealthy - your freedom is by far the best gift to yourself.

Re:Bad data (2)

Kjella (173770) | about 10 months ago | (#45173393)

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I liked having my own room as a kid, now I have my own apartment and I guess eventually I will have my own house. I've had housemates in the past and with no offense to those I was living with I always wanted my own living space, even if it's a lot of arguably unnecessary cost. If you don't think it's a big deal, good for you. Heck some just like that lifestyle and only move out to live with someone as a couple, never having nor wanting a place all to themselves. Personally I'd take living by myself and my current 10+ year old okay-but-impresses-no-one car over housemates and a Ferrari any day of the week. Except the days with lots of leisure time and cruising weather at least.

Re:Bad data (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45173123)

Funny, I think of having roommates as a perk. Meet more people, go to more parties, find about things I'd like to do but otherwise wouldn't have known about, have someone to hang out with at home even when you're not dating anyone, etcetera. The times I've had roommates have been much more memorable than the times without.

Re:Bad data (2)

hackula (2596247) | about 10 months ago | (#45171685)

Anyone have any idea how the schools can stay so bad, even with all the upper middle class engineers in the area? It stands to reason that they would not be AS good as the places where all the high dollar investors and execs would live, but 150k average for a few given neighborhoods should provide plenty of taxable income to maintain a decent, safe school district.

Re:Bad data (3, Interesting)

rollingcalf (605357) | about 10 months ago | (#45173569)

The schools are bad because they can't attract good teachers to the area due to the high cost of living, and they're not willing to double or triple the salaries to bring in the good teachers.

Re:Bad data (0)

swillden (191260) | about 10 months ago | (#45171183)

All this really says is that your company is in Silicon Valley where you need 100k a year to rent a decent apartment.

Most of these companies have offices that aren't in Silicon Valley, or other really expensive areas.

Re:Bad data (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45171237)

All this really says is that your company is in Silicon Valley where you need 100k a year to rent a decent apartment.

Most of these companies have offices that aren't in Silicon Valley, or other really expensive areas.

Huh? At least 7 out of 10 of the companies listed have their main engineering offices in Silicon Valley. Twitter's in San Francisco, where the rents are also ridiculous.

Re:Bad data (0)

swillden (191260) | about 10 months ago | (#45171451)

All this really says is that your company is in Silicon Valley where you need 100k a year to rent a decent apartment.

Most of these companies have offices that aren't in Silicon Valley, or other really expensive areas.

Huh? At least 7 out of 10 of the companies listed have their main engineering offices in Silicon Valley. Twitter's in San Francisco, where the rents are also ridiculous.

Main, yes, all, no. FWIW, I work for Google, in Colorado.

Re:Bad data (2)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 10 months ago | (#45171225)

I see you bought in to the "stock" thing. Why do you think start-ups offer such a thing? Because for the most part it is WORTHLESS in the long run. You will never benifit from those "stock" options. And yet you go on working for "real world" wages that are shitty because you're in love with the company. In a few years, you will walk away shaking your head at how you could have stayed there so long without real actual good compensation in the form you real actual money paid into your bank account.

Re:Bad data (2)

artor3 (1344997) | about 10 months ago | (#45171253)

It's not just start-ups offering stock options, you know. My company's been around for several decades, and I receive about 20% of my compensation in the form of stock -- which I sell as soon as it vests, because only an idiot would keep so much money in a single company. I'm sure the AC is in the same boat, since he claims to work for one of the top 5 (Juniper, LinkedIn, Yahoo, Google, or Twitter).

Re:Bad data (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45172527)

Stock options can end up being worthless. But if you get RSUs, they're almost always worth something. Companies were finding that granting options meant risking a mass exodus when their share price dropped and people's options were underwater, so they started giving actual stock...at least when the share price drops, RSUs are still worth something.

FWIW, I work for a company in the top 20 and have both ISOs from before my BU was acquired and RSUs from afterwards. Far from valueless, they basically double my compensation (i.e. base + bonus == ISOs + RSUs), though that will go away in 2 years when I finish vesting.

Re:Bad data (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | about 10 months ago | (#45171369)

This. I was making about $50k a year out of college in a medium sized midwestern city. Two years later I got an offer in DC for closer to $80k. Didn't take me long to realize I should have stayed at the old place as my rent for a nice two bedroom apartment was $850 a month vs $2500 a month for about the same thing in the DC area.

Re:Bad data (3, Interesting)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about 10 months ago | (#45171987)

Don't rent buy.

That's same with any big city/small town setup - you buy a house in the city (or suburbs of the city anyway), when it comes time to retire you sell your house and move to a small town half an hour a way, buy a comparable house for half the price, and the other half becomes most of your retirement nestegg.

Re:Bad data (2)

evilviper (135110) | about 10 months ago | (#45173095)

you buy a house in the city (or suburbs of the city anyway), when it comes time to retire you sell your house and move to a small town half an hour a way, buy a comparable house for half the price, and the other half becomes most of your retirement nestegg.

Houses depreciate over time, they don't get more valuable (unless you're putting lots of work and money into them. What *usually* becomes more valuable is the LAND your house is on.

Where I looked, bare land was $200,000, with a house on the same sized lot being $600,000. For that $400,000 difference, you can pay rent for a LONG time. And the cost of the house will balloon as you pay insurance, perform repairs, etc., making rentals even better deals.

If you're really doing this as an investment strategy, buying up as much vacant land as you can afford, while continuing to rent, is the far better deal. You'll probably come out a decent bit ahead with the house, but not nearly as much. And you're a fool if most of your retirement savings is tied up in a single house, single piece of land, or single stock... And of which can be worth little at the time you want or NEED to sell it. Diversify.

Property isn't the best of investments, either. The worst areas may experience gentrification and become immensely valuable. While the most expensive areas may decline severely. I've seen it first hand, and you can't possibly know your home will be immune.

Re:Bad data (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45173709)

Houses don't depreciate over time. Stopped reading right there.

Re:Bad data (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45174249)

Uh, houses lose value over time unless they are constantly maintained at great expense. Real estate is one of the great modern myths.

Re:Bad data (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45175175)

Yes they do. The land value may fluctuate but the structure value almost always decreases by the day.

Use brick and stone (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about 10 months ago | (#45175455)

American houses are often built using wood frames with limited lifespan when compared to brick or stone - the stone built the farm house next door to me dates back to the 1650's (john Bunyan preached there back in the day)

Re:Use brick and stone (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 10 months ago | (#45175881)

Stone and brick performs terribly in earthquake country, still need ample routine maintenance (mortar deteriorates), and the framing is only a small part of the depreciation... Bringing old homes up to modern codes can be far more expensive than bulldozing and building new.

The longevity of that building is just a fluke, not evidence of superiority. There will always be outliers, and I'm sure you can find wooden homes from the same era still around as well.

Re:Use brick and stone (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about 10 months ago | (#45176233)

Well all low rise buildings don't perform that well in earthquakes

Re:Use brick and stone (2)

evilviper (135110) | about 10 months ago | (#45178811)

Well all low rise buildings don't perform that well in earthquakes

Non-masonry structures absolutely perform MUCH better with the twisting stresses caused by earthquakes. That goes triple for old, unreinforced masonry...

Wood-frame buildings can be significantly improved at trivial cost by just switching to HurriQuake nails.

Re:Bad data (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45173489)

Good in principle but there are some unexamined assumptions. Sure buying is best long term - if you'll have your job there for decades at a time. Owning a home is anchoring. If you're planning (or are forced) to follow jobs across the country there is more reason to rent.

Re:Bad data (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45172131)

What? A nice 2 bedroom place in NoVa is $1400, you can rent a home for $2500

Re:Bad data (1)

cyn1c77 (928549) | about 10 months ago | (#45172573)

Base salary is only a fraction of the compensation. I work for one of the top 5 and the base plus stock per year for a fresh COLLEGE GRADUATE engineer is higher than the "average" salary listed for the company.

Yeah, it's not "bad data." That's what the article said:

"But it’s important to remember that base salaries don’t tell the whole story, says Scott Dobroski, Glassdoor’s community expert. “For example, while Facebook ranks ninth for average annual base salary on this report, Facebook employees receive larger bonuses and more stock options than some other tech companies on this list,” he said via email."

"Something else to consider: Because Glassdoor only includes companies where at least 50 engineers have submitted salaries, there are some high-paying companies that didn’t make the list."

You're clearly too busy making money to read articles that you are commenting on!

LinkedIn at 2? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45170785)

LinkedIn is obviously overpaying. No way is any of the code coming out of there as good as pretty much anybody below them on the list.

Re:LinkedIn at 2? (5, Insightful)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | about 10 months ago | (#45170951)

Capitalism is about supply&demand, not effort&quality. The aim is to invest capital efficiently in response to demand instead of labouring.

It's depressing that people understand so much about recent complex scientific developments, but don't have the simplest grasp of an economic system that's centuries old.

Re:LinkedIn at 2? (1)

sjames (1099) | about 10 months ago | (#45172419)

If everyone did that nothing would actually get done and we'd all starve. The investors like to forget that.

Re:LinkedIn at 2? (1)

lgw (121541) | about 10 months ago | (#45172813)

How so? We're much closer to everything basic to survival being done by robots than to most people figuring out how to invest! Sad commentary on human nature, really.

Re:LinkedIn at 2? (1)

sjames (1099) | about 10 months ago | (#45173097)

But we're not there yet. If everyone TODAY put down their tools and became a full time investor, our lights would go out in short order. Food deliveries would stop and crops would die in the field.

Sure, we may have robots able to do all of the necessary things one day, but that is not today.

Re:LinkedIn at 2? (1)

lgw (121541) | about 10 months ago | (#45177829)

Sure, but the total dividends paid by all stocks are tiny by comparison. The entire value of all stocks is roughly equal to 1 year's GDP. Total wages are vastly higher than total dividends (or even total capital gains).

I know some people believe "the rich" are hoarding sources of passive income so vast that it would give everyone a minimum survival income if only it were "fairly" distributed, but that's very far from true: for example, the total of all dividends is less than 3% of the total of all wages. We're far from everyone being able to set down their tools.

Re:LinkedIn at 2? (1)

sjames (1099) | about 10 months ago | (#45178681)

A lot of it is more 'semi passive' That is, they have a 'job' but get paid fantastic amounts of money even though no human being could possibly actually be that productive.

Re:LinkedIn at 2? (1)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | about 10 months ago | (#45173637)

I don't think they like to forget it - they just make sure that not too many people are in a position to invest much.

Re:LinkedIn at 2? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45172317)

That's because the real code is in the backend. The programs that do do talent detection and deliver investment advice based on employee migration patterns...

and.........they're fired (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45170855)

as soon as the shareholders find out

I can't tell from the post (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45170859)

Any idea if these are referring to starting salary? Or if it's supposed to include all employees?

Re:I can't tell from the post (2)

locopuyo (1433631) | about 10 months ago | (#45170975)

They are including the "base salary" of Senior Engineer and lead positions.

Re:I can't tell from the post (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45171087)

They are including the "base salary" of Senior Engineer and lead positions.

Don't think so, the salaries seem to be pretty low...

Re:I can't tell from the post (3, Insightful)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about 10 months ago | (#45172005)

Those wouldn't be starting salaries unless you have a graduate degree or experience and are jumping into a senior position.

Last I checked (which was a couple of years ago) a fresh PhD starting at google was in the 130-140 range, and a fresh undergrad was usually in the 80 range - at least that's what my students get.

Re:I can't tell from the post (1)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about 10 months ago | (#45172033)

Followup to my previous - the actual page
http://www.glassdoor.com/blog/25-highest-paying-companies-software-engineers-2013-glassdoor-report/

has a starting salary link but some of those are not entry level - 3 years experience makes a big difference over 0.

Other surprise (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | about 10 months ago | (#45170935)

I don't know for everyone else, but I'm more surprised by another one: the fact that Walmart is really high up there. I know there's probably a gigantic system for handling all of their stores, shipments, etc. but I did not expect to see them so high up the list. Walmart would strike me as the sort of company to pay as little as possible.

Re:Other surprise (2)

lw54 (73409) | about 10 months ago | (#45170993)

Walmart is big data personified. Here are some old stats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_71 [wikipedia.org]

Re:Other surprise (1)

TheResilientFarter (3216187) | about 10 months ago | (#45171073)

Walmart does pay as little as possible. They've probably just found that to get what they need, they have to offer that level of compensation. Walmart is reasonably good at that sort of thing, though I have observed key areas where they definitely need to increase salaries.

Re:Other surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45171257)

The high cost of high savings.

Re:Other surprise (1)

radarskiy (2874255) | about 10 months ago | (#45171491)

It's the difference between "average" and "median".

Re: Other surprise (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45171525)

I am in one of these positions at Walmart. This does not include the very large bonuses and stock. Also keep in mind that this is in AR where the cost of living is much lower than Silicon Valley. It would take a LOT more to get me to move to CA.

Re:Other surprise (1)

lgw (121541) | about 10 months ago | (#45172827)

Every company (well, most) pays as little as possible, just as every employee (well, most) wants as much as possible - far the quality they'll settle for.

Walmart has the best logistics of any company in the world. That's simply not possible without being in the lead on "big data". And that means paying enough to get top quality engineers to live in AR.

Can't be right (1)

c5402dc53929211e1efb (3084201) | about 10 months ago | (#45170963)

Those salaries are really low for their locations.

misses size & location, distribution of compan (3, Informative)

zrelativity (963547) | about 10 months ago | (#45170999)

Many of those companies are based in the Silicon Valley (particularly Santa Clara, North San Jose, Sunnyvale and Mountain View) where your cost of living is very high.

If you were in Washington State or Texas (Dallas), your cost of living maybe only half of what it is Silicon Valley. When I was living in Dallas, I was paying less than half of what I now pay for an apartment in San Jose. There is state tax too. Juniper is relatively small.

What was surprising to me was to see Walmart, but I don't know their Software Engineering group size or location.

Re: misses size & location, distribution of co (4, Informative)

Badblackdog (1211452) | about 10 months ago | (#45171579)

Wal-Mart does not skimp on IT/security infrastructure and equipment upgrades. I have been doing data, phone, CCTV and alarm service work in Wal-Mart/Sam's for years. They are not afraid to spend money on tech.

Re:misses size & location, distribution of com (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45172467)

Physical IT infrastructure and software for Stores and Clubs are ran out of ISD in good 'old Bentonville. Old, stodgy, but stable. ~4000 associates + untold vendors. Arkansas payscales - of course you can find a very nice place to live in BV for ~1100 - 2k sq feet, 2 car garage, large yard, etc. Weather sucks. Out Loud.

Walmart.com as an eCommerce retailer is ran out of San Bruno, CA and much more startup-y and silicon valley-y. Closer to ~1500 associates + not quite so many vendors. Close to San Francisco so the rent on a crappy apartment is closer to 3k. Weather is nice, tech culture is nice.

I'm now on the eCommerce side and it's a pretty good place to work overall. We have an impressive amount of shopping data acquired over the years... The payscale at #8 is about right for the San Bruno location which is what I have to guess this survey is based on.

Re:misses size & location, distribution of com (2)

lgw (121541) | about 10 months ago | (#45172843)

My apartment in Washington State costs 10% more than my apartment in Silicon Valley did. It's all about your commute and what you're close to.

The tax difference is quite significant though - CA is 7%, but that's 7% of gross, so more like 10% of what would have been your take home in WA or TX. Plus here in WA I can legally get plastic bags in the grocery store if I like - so there's that (I just didn't realize how intrusive CA laws were into my daily life until I left - it was like a weight lifted).

Walmart is a top-tier employer in vary large scale computing. They're just as happy for folks not to know about the billion dollar data centers (bunkers really - they're quite ready for the Walmart riots).

Re:misses size & location, distribution of com (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45172885)

You can get surprisingly high pay in Dallas, TX. I get over $140k if you include bonuses and what not. But I'm a lead with fair amount of experience.

Re:misses size & location, distribution of com (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45174853)

CA is 9.3% up to about 300k then its 10.3% Not 7%

Re:misses size & location, distribution of com (1)

lgw (121541) | about 10 months ago | (#45177835)

That's the marginal rate, though. It does ramp up fast, so the total rate is high (7% is from memory, could be off).

The actual article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45171083)

http://www.glassdoor.com/blog/25-highest-paying-companies-software-engineers-2013-glassdoor-report/

So. Fucking. Anoying.

"engineers" (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45171307)

programing is not engineering.

Re:"engineers" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45171423)

Who said it was? Are you suggesting that software engineering isn't engineering either?

Re:"engineers" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45171587)

"software engineering" is a buzzword for "competent programmer". The IT industry is in the toilet and I hope you all choke.

Re:"engineers" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45171655)

Says the jealous underpaid or unemployed engineer.

Re:"engineers" (4, Funny)

russotto (537200) | about 10 months ago | (#45171771)

programing is not engineering.

Yeah, that's what the guy who drives the train tells me.

Re:"engineers" (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 10 months ago | (#45172677)

trouble ahead,
trouble behind;
and you know that notion
just crossed my mind.

Re:"engineers" (1)

lgw (121541) | about 10 months ago | (#45172853)

programing is not engineering.

Indeed! Neither are those new-fangled train drivers. You're not a real engineer unless you roll your petard up to the castle gate. But kids these days know nothing about being doused with flaming oil and then exploding!

Re:"engineers" (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about 10 months ago | (#45175405)

I know its these "security " experts who dont know anything about how to design a secure data center ( I am looking at YOU! Google) some of them have never read Vauban.

No wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45171561)

No wonder my shares of JNPR never go up in price. I guess this is the price of trying to keep up with CSCO.

How long is the work week 60-80 + (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 10 months ago | (#45171683)

How long is the work week 60-80+ and is face book building housing to push that to 100+ or do they want the H1b1 on site 24/7

Greetz to my buds (4, Funny)

TheRealHocusLocus (2319802) | about 10 months ago | (#45171721)

Greetz to my buds at Juniper's Special NSA Piggyback Slurp Packet Sniffle Fiber Fruitcake Utah Datacenter Cluster Zap Lightning Products Division.

Glad to see someone is living the American dream.

Just joking. I know full well that routers do not listen to people, people listen to people.

Re:Greetz to my buds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45173307)

Greetz to my buds at Juniper's Special NSA Piggyback Slurp Packet Sniffle Fiber Fruitcake Utah Datacenter Cluster Zap Lightning Products Division.

ahh yes. otherwise known as the SNaP-SPa-SniFi-FUDaCZ LiP Division for short

money is for easing the pain (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45171777)

juniper used to be a good company.
juniper got its start with uunet and other customers backing it against cisco.
now it is full of cisco reject managers and their entourage
the money is largely helpful to ease the pain of dealing with nepotism and jingoism now.

surely these numbers can't be right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45171957)

I'm an Oracle DBA with 5 years experience and I make just over 40k a year. I don't work at a big company though.

Re: surely these numbers can't be right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45174443)

This is base pay. Total comp has to be much higher than that.

Re:surely these numbers can't be right (1)

gregor-e (136142) | about 10 months ago | (#45175147)

You also live somewhere other than the bay area. Probably someplace like Memphis Tennessee, where the median household income is $37K?

stock bonus (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45172729)

Glassdoor reports that one Senior Software Engineer at Google made a $300,000 stock bonus and had total compensation of over $400,000. Juniper doesn't have anything like that. I think Google has more variance in pay possibly. From what I understand Facebook is the same. The top engineers are rewarded VERY well.

Why not Google and Apple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45172757)

Why don't the big name tech companies have the highest salaries?

Maybe they are colluding to keep salaries down [slashdot.org]

Some Caveats (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45172979)

As they note: "Because Glassdoor only includes companies where at least 50 engineers have submitted salaries, there are some high-paying companies that didn’t make the list. Netflix, for example, often pays engineers far more than other companies" which, working at Netflix, I can confirm -- software engineers get paid substantially more than at Juniper at Netflix and as for "some startups that are paying software developers close to the same salaries as management" -- Ha. I manage a software development group, and about half of my engineers get paid substantially more than I do. And that's probably right, because they'd be harder to replace than I would be.

(Posted as AC for what are probably obvious reasons)

Finance? (2)

zenyu (248067) | about 10 months ago | (#45173729)

I don't work in finance, but I'm surprized not a single hedge fund made the list. A big part of their compensation is in the bonus, but still you can't live on a base of $130k in Manhattan, kindergarten costs $38k per year per kid, not to mention a place to live, etc.

Is it just that you need to have 10,000+ employees before 50 of them post their salary on glassdoor?

Do hedge funds actively discourage their employees from posting?

Re:Finance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45175115)

The article was only about engineers at tech companies. Other types of employees and industries were simply excluding because they were outside the focus of the article. Of course, I'm sure you are correct that hedge fund employees make tons of money.

depends on grade (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about 10 months ago | (#45175369)

If Juniper only allows those with a a Peng/Ceng to call them selves Engineers as opposed to other companies that take fresh grads and call the engineers that woudl explain it

I have worked for major telcos where the term "engineer " was almost never used for professional job grades as that was what the Linemen where called :-)

hmm (1)

buddyglass (925859) | about 10 months ago | (#45175745)

Numbers are mostly meaningless without knowing locale. Most of the top companies are concentrated in northern California, where not only is the cost of living high but there's also lots of competition for talent. What does Google pay its engineers working in, say, Pittsburgh or Austin?

I claim it's just bogus statistics (1)

tygt (792974) | about 10 months ago | (#45177743)

Because Glassdoor only includes companies where at least 50 engineers have submitted salaries

It's my understanding that Juniper does pay pretty well overall. However, I doubt it's pay advantage is so huge - I'm guessing that there's a different sort of person submitting salaries at Juniper (maybe bored long timers ;)) vs somewhere like Facebook...

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