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Sleeper: LG G2 One of the Fastest Android Smartphones On the Market

timothy posted 1 year,10 days | from the prefers-to-go-by-lucky-goldstar dept.

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MojoKid writes "The LG G2 is the follow-up to LG's Optimus G Pro. It's also one of the few smartphones on the market right now powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon 800 quad-core SoC. The G2 sports a 5.2-inch 1080p display, 2GB of RAM and up to 32GB of on board storage. However, the 2.26GHz quad-core Snapdragon 800 chip on board also has Qualcomm's Adreno 330 GPU that even gives NVIDIA's Tegra 4 a run for its money in gaming and graphics performance. Though the G2 has a rather unorthodox volume rocker and power button assembly on the back of the phone, once you get used to the location, it's actually a pretty comfortable control system. What's pretty impressive though is the G2's performance combined with its 3000mAh battery that offers a solid balance of horsepower and battery life and rivals flagship phones like the Samsung Galaxy S4 and Apple's iPhone 5S."

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No no no! (5, Funny)

Servaas (1050156) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182313)

I have Ads Disabled turned on!

The graphic review is as clear as mud ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45184481)

The so-called "review" on that hotfuckware site is worse than useless, especially their graphic performance page

On one graph they showed Apple's iPhone 5s and iPhone 5 dominating all others, by a very long shot - by almost 3 times the speed of LG's G2 - but they NEVER explain in what way they obtained that number

The whole review is a piece of shit, as far as I am concern

Re:The graphic review is as clear as mud ! (2)

Pieroxy (222434) | 1 year,9 days | (#45186105)

The so-called "review" on that hotfuckware site is worse than useless, especially their graphic performance page

On one graph they showed Apple's iPhone 5s and iPhone 5 dominating all others, by a very long shot - by almost 3 times the speed of LG's G2 - but they NEVER explain in what way they obtained that number

The whole review is a piece of shit, as far as I am concern

Can't reconcile yourself with the fact that Apple produces better products?

[/troll] ;-)

Re:The graphic review is as clear as mud ! (1)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,9 days | (#45186799)

since it's just that on screen draw test I'd have to guess that they don't use flicker reduction on ios or it's different variety or something related to that.

Nice slashvertisement (1, Troll)

the computer guy nex (916959) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182315)

How about bringing up the fact that LG is cheating on benchmarks just like samung? http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks [anandtech.com]

How about bringing up the fact that the LG G2 is about half the performance of the 5s in benchmarks that aren't cheated?
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7335/58181.png [anandtech.com]
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7335/58170.png [anandtech.com]

Only companies worth buying from right now are Moto and Apple.

Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (0, Offtopic)

tuppe666 (904118) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182417)

Only companies worth buying from right now are Moto and Apple.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/24/apple_accused_of_cheating_over/ [theregister.co.uk] Seriously if you want to hold a company up as a measure of virtue you should probably make sure they are.

Re:Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (3, Funny)

Karlt1 (231423) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182527)

And a 10 year old computer benchmark has exactly what to do with a phone?

Re:Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45182597)

It means that everybody cheats on benchmarks, so the "benchmarks that aren't cheated" assertion is meaningless. Was that really too hard for you to figure out?

Re:Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45183789)

Have you any proof that Apple has cheated benchmarks for the iPhone ?

Feel free to post a URL, because there are plenty of URLs to articles showing how Samsung and others have been doing this systematically on their phones.

Everybody is NOT cheating.

Re:Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (1)

sethmeisterg (603174) | 1 year,9 days | (#45185395)

Exactly.

Re:Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | 1 year,9 days | (#45184979)

It means that everybody cheats on benchmarks, so the "benchmarks that aren't cheated" assertion is meaningless. Was that really too hard for you to figure out?

And in other news...Apple must be equally as dishonest since the founders use to steal long distance in 1975......

Re:Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45182591)

So, you are saying that in 2003 (10 years ago) Apple cheated with a pre-release G5 Desktop machine.
Yet the whole process was documented, including any system level changes they did. Apple was also forth coming that the firm was contracted to do the test.

Where as today the android makers are NOT documenting things, it took reverse engineering the code to see what they were doing.
And the independent testers have show that the only players who are NOT currently gaming the system is Apple and Motorola.

Talk about Apples and Oranges.

Re:Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45182603)

Apple is the only GOD(tm) who can make your insignificant life worthwhile.

Re:Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45183813)

Snappy comeback, so full of facts..... now if only a relevant URL was posted...

Re:Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (1, Troll)

the_B0fh (208483) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182859)

Please do not try to bring facts into any Apple bashing. It only makes things worse for you in the long run. They will bring up more and more irrelevant things just to prove you wrong...

Re:Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (4, Informative)

carou (88501) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182611)

That report was later discredited. The accusation was largely based on the fact that the testers had disabled hyperthreading on the compared Dell PC: it turned out they had done this because it made that benchmark result *better*. They showed the x86 in its best possible light, so that those in the peanut gallery couldn't credibly accuse them of bias in favour of the G5.

History Lesson (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182851)

That report was later discredited. The accusation was largely based on the fact that the testers had disabled hyperthreading on the compared Dell PC: it turned out they had done this because it made that benchmark result *better*. They showed the x86 in its best possible light, so that those in the peanut gallery couldn't credibly accuse them of bias in favour of the G5.

So by best possible light you meant returning figures of "SPECint base score of 800, 889 and 836" instead of "1089" and "SPECfp base scores were 840, 693 and 646" instead of "1053" to by *better* you mean iPhone better ;)

Re:History Lesson (2)

carou (88501) | 1 year,10 days | (#45183097)

I only mean that, in isolation from other configuration, turning hyperthreading off produced a higher benchmark result than turning it on. Dell didn't publish details of how they had configured the computer to produce their numbers although the compiler probably had a large part to do with it; according to the follow-up article [theregister.co.uk] , the host OS was different (Linux vs Windows) and they had probably used the Intel compiler whereas the VeriTest study used gcc (for both the x86 and the G5, which makes sense if your aim is to compare chip performance as opposed to compiler performance).

From the article:

To be fair, at least Apple and VeriTest tell you what they've done, which is more than can be said for the vendor-supplied figures on SPEC's web site. What tweaks have vendors applied to boost their own scores?

Re:Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182869)

No way!! Facts in an Apple bashing thread? Please hand in your 5 digit uid now!

Re:Apple Cheating on Benchmarks since 2003 (2)

quacking duck (607555) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182615)

Seriously, you had to go back over a decade to find an example of Apple cheating on benchmarks? How many generations ago is that in computer technology?

Try again by citing a source that shows them cheating on benchmarks now.

By your link your proof dearth of evidence (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | 1 year,10 days | (#45183711)

You had to go all the way back to 2003 to find ANY link of Apple cheating - so pretty obviously it's not happening or someone would have found it by now.

Thanks for the confirmation of Apple's reputation.

Re:By your link your proof dearth of evidence (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45185157)

Confirmation that they're a bunch of lowlife, cheating fuckwads? I agree. The whole rigging of the IP courts to crush any competition because they can't compete fairly also contributes heavily to that reputation.

Re: By your link your proof dearth of evidence (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45185619)

Go home. You are drunk.

Re:Nice slashvertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45182837)

That would be far from the worst thing about LG. Their biggest problem is that they don't support their products. None of their phones have ever received more than a single OS update, not even their flagship phones.

Re: Nice slashvertisement (2)

echnaton192 (1118591) | 1 year,10 days | (#45183641)

As an european, to me the update-policy nowadays, while they were a major factor in previous decisions, are insignificant.

I only care if the bootloader could be opened with tools provided by the manufacturer, not by exploiting a vulnerability.

Android by default prefers weak encryption algorhythms over secure ones. Google is an american company. The NSA tried to weaken open source and closed source products alike on a big scale, but failed on some open source products. Nuff said.

I would not use any standard firmware on any phone that is also sold in america or maintained by an american company. I do not care if my next phone is supported with new firmware by the manufacturer. The only thing I care about is if there is a firmware maintainer in the community I remotely trust and if I could apply that more trustable firmware to my device without too much of a hassle.

LG seems to have some unlockable devices and some that are somehow unlockable. If the new one is the former, I might consider buying.

What I will never ever buy again is a mobile device were I am forced to use a closed source system. Not because I am an OSS evangelist, but because I refuse to pay american companies to spy on me by bringing me to buy the spying device myself.

So to me the support period for the firmware no longer is of any importance. I just want to make shure that I stay as far away from american clouds and NSA-controlled encryption as I could without loosing too much convenience.

Those are strange times.

Re: Nice slashvertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45187095)

What does being European have to do with it?

Both of my previous phones were flagship LG phones. Neither received more than a single minor update, even though LG promised more originally. Obviously, using Cyanogenmod was were a went, but with the first phone they refused to release updated source for the kernel, due to never making a public binary release, I was stuck with Gingerbread. The second phone was a major pain to get the bootloader unlocked and many people perma fried theirs because the fuse in the phone only allows 16 attempts before it becomes permanently locked. That made developing a reliable method to unlock the bootloader a royal pain in the ass.

Re: Nice slashvertisement (1)

Shirley Marquez (1753714) | 1 year,9 days | (#45190805)

The relevance of being European is that the OP can legally unlock the phone. In the US we currently can't.

Re:Nice slashvertisement (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45185137)

"Fill rate"? Seriously? That's been a meaningless graphic benchmark for such a long time, why even include it?

For quite some time now, any smart phone you buy has more than enough CPU power to do everything you'd care to do on a device of this size. This is all just dick measuring contest now.

Re:Nice slashvertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45186515)

If I had the points, I'd mod you up. Your post is informative, and fuck the LG employees modding you down.

Re:Nice slashvertisement (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | 1 year,9 days | (#45186529)

Cheating on benchmarks is only a problem is some people do it. If everyone does it, the benchmarks work again.

Thus you could argue that the companies who refuse assign an intern to reverse engineer their competitors cheats and port those cheats to their products are the problem.

One of the fastest? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45182321)

"LG G2 One of the Fastest Android Smartphones On the Market" I love those kind of generic statements. All the Android phones except the slowest one is "one of the fastest".

Re:One of the fastest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45182559)

I disagree. You would be correct if the claim was "one of the faster smartphones". However, "one of the fastest" means quite logically taking a handful of best-performing phones of the bunch, and observing that our particular phone is in this group.

Re:One of the fastest? (3, Insightful)

Sarten-X (1102295) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182911)

Oh, good. Now we've clarified it to the precision of a "handful". I have pretty steady hands. I can probably stack up a good dozen phones or more before considering my hands "full". Of course, if we consider the use of tape or a sufficiently-large basket, I could fit a significant amount of the currently-available phones, and we can then just call them all "fastest".

Re:One of the fastest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45184389)

you suck at abstracting

Re:One of the fastest? (2)

Rodney Washington (2870795) | 1 year,9 days | (#45186431)

I look for the asterisks next to those statements and find the fine print attached to it. "This is based on so and so tests that have been rigged to make our phone seem the fastest."

phablets? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45182333)

WTF are those?

Sleeper? (3, Informative)

Nrbelex (917694) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182367)

How is it a sleeper? It's not made by Apple or Samsung, but it is being heavily marketed on TV and has solid reviews (aside from the atrocious Android skin) all over the Web...

Re:Sleeper? (1)

aliquis (678370) | 1 year,9 days | (#45184701)

How is it a sleeper? It's not made by Apple or Samsung, but it is being heavily marketed on TV and has solid reviews (aside from the atrocious Android skin) all over the Web...

Slept with the Slashdot admins to make it onto the front page.

Re:Sleeper? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45186733)

Hey! Slashdot editors have needs too, you insensitive clod! No everybody is a womaniser by nature you know.

Re:Sleeper? (1)

aliquis (678370) | 1 year,9 days | (#45189161)

No everybody is a womaniser by nature you know.

Trust me. I know.

Nice slashvertisement (3, Insightful)

wbr1 (2538558) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182369)

That said, I own the original Optimus G, which is still a great phone. I have owned or had long access to many Samsungs, LG's, HTCs, and even an iPhone or two, and I consistently like the LG. I had an Optimus S, which while slow, was a consistent, strong as nails work horse. It is still sitting on my desk as a backup, despite having been thrown, dropped, etc. I had an LG marquee. Beautiful screen for a midrange, but even though it had a faster CPU than the S, felt laggier often, even with trimmed custom ROMs and kernels. I have worked on and used the HTC DINC2, EVO 4g and EVO4g. Sense is passable, and their hardware and software build are top notch as well, but I never liked the difficuly in rooting and ROMming some of them presented.

Samsung, well, hardware specs aside, I find the software build on the S3 and the Galaxy Tab to be crap. We currently have a galaxy victory (essentially a smaller screened S3), and I have had much worse specced phones run more smoothly with less crashes. The clusterfuck that is KIES pisses me off too, I cannot count the times I have tried to troubleshoot my mom's galaxy tab (and she lives on the other side of the pond and gets frustrated easy, so it is a difficult prospect.

With one miss, LG has been very consistent to me. And from what I read, it may have been a bad apple as some units in that model apparently were lemons.

All that aside, I am a geek, I use Ting, so I pay outright for my phones, no subsidies. With my Optimus G, I do not need more. Quad core, 1.5GB, accelerated Open GL 2. Runs just about any app I throw at it smoothly, and has more power than my girlfriend laptop. I do not need, nor have the budget, to drop $600-900 on something even faster, even if that cost is amortized over a contract.

When I finally break this one through carelessness, then I will buy a used model that is a year or so back on the treadmill, pay half or less what others are, and guess what, I will still be happy.

Re:Nice slashvertisement (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45182423)

Nothing worse than an underpowered girlfriend laptop.

Re:Nice slashvertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45184913)

Nothing worse than an underpowered girlfriend laptop.

If the girl doesn't have a sweet laptop / father in the upper high end computing industry which can give you free gadgets or what not why bother?

Re:Nice slashvertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45190883)

Go back and read the comment you replied to again, you misread it.

faster than my netbook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45182377)

i know i shouldn't compare apples to oranges, but the LG G2 sounds like it is faster than my 900 MHz Celeron netbook with 1 gigbyte of memory. just saying. did not know that smartphones have become this fast. I have an old Palm Treo PDA that uses 2G WAP/GPRS, I think. It only has 32 MB of memory with an additional 24 MB for user data and applications if I remember correctly.

Or better yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45182379)

How about we decide not to be assimilated, and quit going all gaga over locked down unrepairable appliances and calling it the future?

Re:Or better yet (1)

hughbar (579555) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182401)

Exactly, I have two phones, one for home, one for business, the 'newest' is three years old and I'm not changing either. They both 'work', apparently an alien concept to millenials other assorted young'uns.

Re:Or better yet (1)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | 1 year,10 days | (#45183007)

You do realize that those young'uns you deride aren't old enough to have had a phone last 3 years, right?

uh... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45182433)

I get the comments of "slashvertisement" and the like, but you *do* know it's been possible to buy story content and placement on Slashdot for a while, right? It's not listed specifically in their public rate card, but I work in the media department of a tech company that has bought traditional banner ads on a network that Slashdot was part of, and their direct-to-buyers materials were pretty clear that you could buy a headline and summary text, or even exclusivity (the only "sponsored" post in a given time period), all with no banner/indication/etc. that the story was paid for.

It also mentions that "up to 20%" of a the stories that are posted in a given day can be sponsored.

Give that some thought as you're reading Slashdot.

Super! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45182515)

I paid money for an LG Renoir, thus I have not bought any LG equipment nor bought anything from the scumbag that sold me the LG Renoir since. However, if LG are actually producing usable equipment, and they keep on producing only good things, I may reconsider my policy in a few more years.

No SD, No sell (4, Informative)

matthelm007 (1392603) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182525)

Sorry, in the US version, there is no SD card, so I won't buy it.

Re:No SD, No sell (3, Informative)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182997)

This is kinda funny - the last phone I had that actually had an SD-Card slot was my Droid-X, and previously the HTC Nexus 1.

BOTH phones required you pull the battery out to swap the SD-Card... so I never did. You know what - I found you really don't need to either. There are so many connection options for the Android OS that you can move files to and from it really easily, and it has TONS of cloud based options too for streaming audio and video over the net.

I think I use up like 4-5 gigs of my Galaxy Nexus's 32 gigs of storage.

Re:No SD, No sell (3, Informative)

matthelm007 (1392603) | 1 year,9 days | (#45184395)

I have 4-5GB free on my 64GB card. Can't hardly wait until the 128GB cards come out.

Cloud doesn't work when you don't have a connection. No WiFi at work, and concrete walls so 3/4G only works once in a while. I have to walk to the other end of the building, just to make a call.

Re:No SD, No sell (2)

SpectreBlofeld (886224) | 1 year,9 days | (#45188187)

I just returned from 30 days touring the United Kingdom. I didn't think I would take many pictures or video - it's not really my thing - but I surprised myself by recording about 20 gigs of photos and video.

Cloud options weren't possible because I was using a prepaid SIM with limited data (unless I wanted to spend a fortune 'topping up' every few days for more data). Even with unlimited data or ready access to wi-fi, it would have taken ages to back up all those videos, etc. I ended up deleting all my music from the phone first (about 12 gigs worth), and then, when I still managed to fill up both my internal memory and SD card (both 16GB, Galaxy Note 2) I ended up purchasing a second 16GB card so I could continue snapping away.

I'll never understand the war on SD cards. In my case, what else could I have done? I didn't lug a laptop with me so I couldn't offload the stuff. Would you buy a digital camera/video camera without removable memory? Mobile phone cameras have gotten so good lately that they're replacing standalone cameras for anything but professional/hobbyist use, and 32GB is NOT enough for a modest music collection, a healthy dose of app data, and a shutterbug's vacation photos, especially when some of that memory is reserved for the system in the first place.

Not to mention the fact that when I switch to a new phone, I just pop the memory card in the new phone and bam, there's all my media, without spending 45 minutes transferring all my stuff with a USB cable.

There are two reasons why I stick with Samsung - memory card slot and hardware keys.

Re:No SD, No sell (3, Interesting)

MastarPete (790343) | 1 year,10 days | (#45183069)

I don't think there even is an international version with an SD slot, at least not according to GSMarena. http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g2-5543.php [gsmarena.com]
It does support USB OTG, but I agree, SD slot or bust.

Re:No SD, No sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45186745)

I'm in the market for a new phone. I'm curious ... what phone out there that comes with an SD card slot do you recommend?

Slashdot Going Downhill (1)

chill (34294) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182547)

The fact there was no "The Sleeper Must Awaken!" comments in the first few minutes tells me the /. crowd is rapidly going down hill.

Re:Slashdot Going Downhill (1)

vikingpower (768921) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182605)

Dude, the /. crowd has been going downhill all since 1008, the year I first read a post here. And /.-ers have ever since been consistently and coherently been complaining about it. Get used to it. I did, just as a whore gets used to getting laid. It makes life better ( not getting laid as a whore, but getting used to it, I mean ).

Re:Slashdot Going Downhill (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45183059)

Dude, the /. crowd has been going downhill all since 1008, the year I first read a post here.

Wow, you really are Viking power!

Re:Slashdot Going Downhill (4, Funny)

Smauler (915644) | 1 year,9 days | (#45184451)

I agree with GP... I think it all started in the story about Olav Haraldsson landing on Saaremaa Island in Estonia. Rather tan talking about the possible political impact of this unsanctioned invasion, slashdotters just spent their time doing Viking jokes.

The Norse god Thor decided to become a mortal for a while and went down to earth. He met a beautiful girl and they spent the evening together. In the morning Thor decided to reveal his identity to the woman. "I'm Thor" he said. "You're thor!" she said, "Lithen buthter, I'm tho thor I can hardly thit down!"

Re:Slashdot Going Downhill (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45183093)

Wow you've been here a really long time

Re:Slashdot Going Downhill (1)

rtb61 (674572) | 1 year,9 days | (#45185005)

Dude, the /. crowd has not been going down hill, you just growing old, you are now becoming the grumpy old dude http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhmjnYKlVnM [youtube.com] (hope you're not doing it at a too early age).

Re:Slashdot Going Downhill (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45185849)

Nope, its not that either. Most of the "old" /. crowd love computers and software. We do NOT love easy hacks and flashy presentations. We want quality to go to the bone, not just the surface. That is why we moan about all the new "crap" that is coming out.

It's not about the specs (0)

Bogtha (906264) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182609)

I used Android phones exclusively from 2008-2012, and the one thing that they all seemed to have in common was that IO blocked the UI, making for an incredibly sluggish experience. Got an application installing in the background? Well get ready for a multiple-second delay for touches.

It's all very well talking about the specs, but I've used phones with good specs before that have felt like some of the slowest phones I've ever seen because of factors other than raw horsepower.

Speedy Conversations? (0)

Scarletdown (886459) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182629)

So as the fastest phone, does that mean when you talk on it, your voice is sped up for really fast conversations, so that you either sound like one of the Chipmunks or the FedEx Guy?

Sleeper (1)

Ralph Ostrander (2846785) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182633)

Does it have a sex Orb?

Size creep (2)

Kjella (173770) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182649)

To compete for "the fastest" title they're constantly pushing the limits of what could reasonably be considered a phone. At 5.2 inches it's getting close to a 7 inch tablet, next time around I'll have to get a "mini" phone for it to be anywhere close to my current iPhone 4.

Bigger is Better (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182893)

To compete for "the fastest" title they're constantly pushing the limits of what could reasonably be considered a phone. At 5.2 inches it's getting close to a 7 inch tablet, next time around I'll have to get a "mini" phone for it to be anywhere close to my current iPhone 4.

Size is going up because for those people bigger is better, because its more useful when you are doing *smart* things on one. One of the reasons for iPhones plummeting market share worldwide is due to it not having a product in this desirable market.

Re:Bigger is Better (2)

jareth-0205 (525594) | 1 year,10 days | (#45183523)

Size is going up because for those people bigger is better, because its more useful when you are doing *smart* things on one. One of the reasons for iPhones plummeting market share worldwide is due to it not having a product in this desirable market.

Yeah, but my pockets are only so big. And I have a Nexus 7 in my bag, the phone in my pocket doesn't need to be anywhere near as smart.
One of the big advantages of Android was supposed to be the variety of devices possible that different manufacturers could come up with to suit different needs, and we are getting that in terms of TV dongles, laptops, tablets, etc, but phones all seem to be the same, growing, size. Variety seems to be reducing not increasing.

Re:Bigger is Better (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45183687)

You know, they make jeans in other sizes. You don't have to steal your sister's skinny jeans.

Re:Bigger is Better (2)

NeoMorphy (576507) | 1 year,9 days | (#45184189)

Actually, the variety is increasing, especially in size. Some people want smaller phones, so you have phones like the mini, some people want bigger phones, so you have phablets.

My hands are big enough to comfortably hold an LG G2(feels similar in width to a Droid RAZR MAXX), and still flick any part of the screen that I want. There's plenty of room in my pants pocket, so that's not an issue. I used to carry a Palm Pilot with a Rhino case in my pocket, that was a lot bigger, this phone is very slim in comparison, even with a case. I'm far sighted, and even though I have reading glasses, it's a real pain trying to read tiny fonts on a small display. The display on this phone is incredible! It reminds me of the Samsung S4, which had the first display to impress me in years. The quad-core power on this phone is fantastic. Shredder Chess and Stockfish must be playing in the 2400+ range now.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who likes a display that's easy on the eyes, and if it still fits in your pocket and your hand, it's not too big.

And it has an IR blaster too!!

Re:Bigger is Better (1)

rtb61 (674572) | 1 year,9 days | (#45185045)

Say what? Are you joking? Seriously, c'mon just look at the sub $200 end of the market their are a many times more models of budget end mobile phones than there are models of smart phones. Want a cheap budget phone just to make calls, get one, literally thousands to pick from, want a smart phone get one just tens to pick from. Sync the two together wifi and problem solved, if your a woman with a purse, that man purse idea has yet to catch on and sometimes you are just to far from your car ;).

How is up "plummeting"? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | 1 year,10 days | (#45183691)

One of the reasons for iPhones plummeting market share

iPhone market share has generally been holding steady or rising a bit in some areas - in the U.S. for example iPhone activations for Verizon are over 51% of smartphones last quarter.

Keep telling yourself that though if it helps you sleep.

For fans of giant devices, they have an iPad mini.

Re:Size creep (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45183697)

Actually the phone itself is not really that big. It fits in the pocket quite nicely. Give it a look....big screen yes but in as small a footprint as possible right now.

I don't think so... (0)

Benson Arizona (933024) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182679)

"One of the fastest..." you say but in fact, I'll bet that it makes phone calls at exactly the same speed as every other phone on the market and no faster than every cell phone ever made

Sometimes Less is More (3, Insightful)

Kagato (116051) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182795)

I think way too much emphasis is placed on having the absolute fastest CPU/GPU and the biggest battery. If you look at phones like the Moto X and the iPhone 5S they offload the mundane everyday tasks to ultra low power processors. The end results is they aren't firing up the big Ghz SoC as much as they can get significantly more battery life from smaller cells. We need to get away from the spec chasing.

Re:Sometimes Less is More (4, Insightful)

Sarten-X (1102295) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182953)

ultra low power processor...more battery life

We need to get away from the spec chasing.

By which you mean "stop chasing this particular spec and go back to chasing the spec I care about".

Re:Sometimes Less is More (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45184335)

No, it was obvious that it meant stop chasing theoretical specs and go back to chasing practical attributes like battery life, usability, etc. that means something to most non-techie users.

Re:Sometimes Less is More (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45185401)

Yes, caring about battery life more than processor clock rates would be the right answer. Some opinions ARE better than others.

Re:Sometimes Less is More (1)

Sockatume (732728) | 1 year,9 days | (#45186479)

Actually, it's the opposite. The problem is that you have to wake the radio to do most of the interesting things on a smartphone which is a huge battery drain compared to the processor. iOS saves up pending background events, then rams the CPU speed up to the highest possible step so it can burn through the updates quickly and put the radio back to sleep. It works out "cheaper" in energy terms than running the CPU at a slower speed but having the radio on for longer.

The "M" coprocessor just records accelerometer and gyro events.

I liked my LG (3, Interesting)

chr1st1anSoldier (2598085) | 1 year,10 days | (#45182879)

I really liked my LG Optimus L9, i think it was a very solid buy for $200. I had the T-Mobile version (P769n) and couldn't unlock the boot loader, but I did root it. I used a different launcher, removed all of the worthless T-Mobile apps and everything else I didn't need. I ended up with a snappy, responsive phone that had a Galaxy S2 or S3 (don't remember which now) users envious. My mistake was going for one of those confounded WP that T-Mobile gives away for my GF after breaking the screen on her phone. She basically threw it at me so I had to give her my droid and use this WP8 phone. Its..... Its.... Not a day goes by that I look at my old LG and think about stealing my phone back. I've even gone as far as to plot this out. As soon as I'm able I am getting back on Droid and I would like another LG. As I said, I was very happy with my Optimus L9.

Re: I liked my LG (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45183279)

You did not buy a droid on t-mobile. You bought an android phone. Droid is a marketing term for Verizon

shame (0)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,10 days | (#45183145)

the shame is that this piece of crap is the best in the market. the ubuntu edge would have trashed the shit out of these specs.

Re: shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45183313)

Any flagship phone coming out in 12-15 months would trash these specs including the magical unicorn from canonical

So that's what it takes to make Android smooth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45183207)

2.26 ghz and 2gb of RAM? I think that says enough.

Project Butter (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | 1 year,10 days | (#45183317)

....you must be using one of those slow iPhones.

Haven't heard of things like project butter...get informed http://www.geeksquad.co.uk/articles/what-is-project-butter-in-android-jelly-bean-4-1 [geeksquad.co.uk]

Re:Project Butter (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45183693)

The whole "Project Butter" thing is a farce. Most likely an April Fool's Day joke gone bad.

Triple buffering? WTF!? If you can't do it with double buffering how are you going to do it with three buffers? Think long and hard about it. Hint - would a hundred buffers help less, the same, or more? How about four buffers?

I'm not discounting the other work Google did optimizing the graphics pipeline but triple buffering wasn't the magic fix everyone thinks it was.

Re: Project Butter (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45184889)

Slow iPhones???? U mad bro?

When the iPhone 5 was released it was the fastest smartphone out there.

The same with the iPhone 5S. According to both Anandtech and Which? the iPhone 5S is THE fastest smartphone ever tested.

Seriously. You are a misinformed troll. iPhones were NEVER slow.

Get some new/different vitriol to bash Apple. Please be careful to not make you look like an jackass again.

Re: Project Butter (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45185989)

Uh dude iphones were always slow until 5 and 5s. Those were the only phones with respectable performance and adequate displays.
You should realize apple has limped along by cleverly crippling the iphone to make things workable. For example, previously they didn't allow multitasking in order to save processing time. They had smaller screens to save battery.
Even with ios7, there is no nfc or hotspot. I bet the 5s wouldnt last 4 hours on hotspot.

Re:Project Butter (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45191111)

Whatever. My 2012 Nexus 7 seems to be a testament to Project Butter being a joke, or perhaps they just stopped caring about it after they got 4.1 out the door.

stop it with the amp-hours crap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,10 days | (#45183505)

Please. Report watt-hours, or STFU. Amp-hours are not a measure of energy capacity and don't mean shit unless the voltage is also known.

What's unique about this? (0)

Boltronics (180064) | 1 year,9 days | (#45184953)

So the LG G2 is basically the same specs as my Xperia Z Ultra [wikipedia.org] (but with a much smaller screen, and not as thin), or the Xperia Z1 [wikipedia.org] , or the Galaxy Note 3 LTE [wikipedia.org] , and probably others. Wow, big deal.

Re:What's unique about this? (1)

Shirley Marquez (1753714) | 1 year,9 days | (#45191319)

The Wikipedia page on the Snapdragon SOC lists 10 devices that use the Snapdragon 800 and misses two recently announced ones (Galaxy S4 Mini and Samsung's new SM-W2014 flip phone). Many of them are not yet available; I think the ones on your list and the 7" Kindle (well, it's backordered but people have started to receive them) are the only ones you can buy right now. A large percentage of the Snapdragon 800 devices are phablets (plus one straight on tablet, the Kindle Fire HDX, and I'd say that devices that cross the 6" line like the Xperia Z Ultra are tablets that can make phone calls rather than phablets); I guess you need a big battery to make this high powered chip make sense.

The G2 kicks butt... (2)

erp_consultant (2614861) | 1 year,9 days | (#45185901)

I was shopping for a new phone when I spotted the G2. The display is the best I've even seen on a (relatively) small screen. Having 32GB of onboard storage makes up for the fact that I can't put an SD card in it (booooo!!!!). That snapdragon processor is very snappy indeed. Animations are very fluid and it seems to handle multitasking quite well. At first I wasn't that impressed with the battery life until I put Juice Defender on it. Now I'm getting a solid 2 days between charges. That's pretty good in my books, considering the drive-in movie size screen on the thing.

Call quality is very good - better than on my old Samsung Galaxy SII. It even picks up 4G LTE signals better than the SII.

At first I was a bit intimidated by the size of it. With a cover on it, it's approaching bulky. But it still fits in my pocket and I kind of like the extra screen real estate. Compared to the iPhone 5S, it's enormous. I compared it side by side to the Galaxy S3 and the G2 seemed better to me in nearly every way. It's a real sleeper this G2. I'm very happy with it so far.

Speed cannot make up for (2)

greggster (1712144) | 1 year,9 days | (#45186527)

bad or buggy software. So we are back to marketing on tech specs again? "Your lame phone just got faster!"

Re:Speed cannot make up for (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45186953)

Buggy software? Where? My LG is almost as good as Cyanogenmod (almost).

Cost? (1)

mauriceh (3721) | 1 year,9 days | (#45187227)

What is the price tag?
Let's ask the real questions, not the benchmarks stuff..

What is the price tag?
No, I mean the real one, not the telco fake plan scam price..

Is it easy to unlock?

Does it run current Android easily?

Can the battery be replaced?

Are the speakers any good?

How is the camera?

Re:Cost? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#45187879)

RTFA!

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