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What Employee Lock-In Means At Facebook

timothy posted about a year ago | from the anytime-you-want dept.

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theodp writes "In the early days of Facebook, the company would go into what CEO Mark Zuckerberg called lockdown, where no one is supposed to leave until the task at hand is done. Speaking on Saturday at Startup School 2013, CNET reports, Mark Zuckerberg remarked that the practice persists to this day. Facebook doesn't lock people in the office, but it comes "as close to that as we can legally get," Zuckerberg said to an eruption from the crowd. The lockdown isn't the first at-home-in-a-Bangladesh-garment-factory management technique Zuck's touted at Startup School. Back in 2007, Zuckerberg drew fire for advising company founders "you should only hire young people with technical expertise" if they want to be successful. And while there are no reports of Facebook hiring 9-year-old bosses yet, the LA Times reports that only young undocumented immigrants are welcome at the hackathon hosted by Zuckerberg's FWD.us next month where "tech CEO's like Mark Zuckerberg, Reid Hoffman, Drew Houston and Andrew Mason will be sitting side-by-side with undocumented youth [with technical expertise] creating tech products to help the immigration reform movement" (invitation to 'day (and night) of working')."

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Illegal, Not Undocumented. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45186987)

Why are illegal immigrants being called undocumented? The are documented, by their countries of origin. The reason they are undocumented in the US is because they are here ILLEGALLY. They have no right to claim legal status when they did not go through the proper legal process. IMO, these people are brazenly flouting our immigration laws without any fear of prosecution which only encourages more illegal immigration. This has to stop.

Illegal is illegal.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187045)

It is to obscure the fact that they are in the USA illegally. One way to win an argument is to change the terms or the definition of the terms. If the terms "illegal alien" or "illegal immigrant" were to persist the anti-amnesty position would prevail. Since the the accepted term is now "undocumented immigrant" has become the term used, the pro-amnesty position will win on this issue. The actual and most dramatic losers will be the legal immigrants--those people who applied for permission to enter the USA and applied through the system to become USA citizen. (And they are typically against illegal immigration.)

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (5, Insightful)

causality (777677) | about a year ago | (#45187377)

One way to win an argument is to change the terms or the definition of the terms.

Nothing "won" that way ever turns out well in the end. The practice is one reason the US has so many batshit insane laws like the War on Some Drugs that don't stand up to analysis, and continues to keep these laws even after this is well known.

The lack of rationality will have been the root cause of our downfall.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (4, Insightful)

nashv (1479253) | about a year ago | (#45187055)

No AC , 'Undocumented' means status cannot be determined. For example, family moved here illegaly but baby is born within US borders in a shack without a birth certificate. The baby is then 'undocumented'.

Naturalised US citizen who lost passport, then became homeless and ended up the other side of the country with amnesia = Undocumented.

There is a difference. Unless, any immigration is proved in court to be illegal, it is undocumented. Innocent until proven guilty, remember?

Bullshit (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187107)

No, you're lying. The babies born here are all documented. The illegals know that they have to get a US birth certificate for their babies, not for the "anchor baby" as much as to get WIC. Your red herring is transparent and stinks. And no, conviction is not required for an act to be illegal; a law is.

Re:Bullshit (-1, Flamebait)

jareth-0205 (525594) | about a year ago | (#45187197)

Oi! Twattish AC! You don't actually have to accuse someone of "lying" if they merely have a different opinion to you! You're being factually incorrect, and you make yourself look aggressive and unreasonable for doing so.

Re:Bullshit (1)

stealth_finger (1809752) | about a year ago | (#45187539)

Oi! Twattish AC!

Brilliant!

Re:Bullshit (3, Funny)

mrchaotica (681592) | about a year ago | (#45187283)

Your red herring is transparent and stinks.

It's transparent and red? I think we've just discovered the Invisible Pink Unicorn equivalent of the devil...!

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187167)

I might be wrong, but I suspect the vast majority of the people called "undocumented" in the mass media were not "born without a birth certificate" or "lost their passport".

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (1)

parkinglot777 (2563877) | about a year ago | (#45187433)

I could agree with your terminology for the word 'Undocumented' (and there are more reasons for that), but that is not the point for this article. It seems that the article is mentioning the majority -- those who immigrated into the country (may be legal at first) and now are illegal (most likely by intention). To me, the intention of the word used in the article is to attempt to avoid discrimination but it raises other questions. The GP post shows that the word used is less aggressive, underrated, and sort of misleading, and that I could agree with as well.

Anyway, I do not have a strong feeling toward either word, so I cannot make further comment on the word used in the article.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187077)

'Undocumented' sounds like there was a clerical error by the immigration department.

People in country against the law are trespassers.

If you want to work in this country and become a US citizen, stand in line and do it legal.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (3, Interesting)

Gavagai80 (1275204) | about a year ago | (#45187153)

Perhaps that rule should be applied fairly to all. Deport everyone (perhaps at their 18th birthday if not at birth) to a specially created territory, and only allow people to come back as US citizens by standing in line and earning it. Having accidentally been born somewhere shouldn't give you special privileges.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187185)

Having accidentally been born somewhere shouldn't give you special privileges.

I'd say being part of a nation and its culture should.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (2, Insightful)

GrumpySteen (1250194) | about a year ago | (#45187191)

Great idea!

I'm quite certain the Native Americans would love to have their country back and see all the descendants of those assholes who slaughtered their people and took their land deported. I wouldn't hold my breath on that readmission line moving too fast, though.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187345)

So since part of me is Native American and part of me is French Canadien does that mean I get to stay or do I just straddle the border as a self hating person?

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187357)

I'm quite certain the Native Americans would love to have their country back

NO Human is native to the american continent. The term "Native" american is bull shit.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (3, Insightful)

Gavagai80 (1275204) | about a year ago | (#45187545)

Time to relocate all humans to the exact part of Africa where the species first evolved, then. Everyone elsewhere is an undocumented immigrant who the native species did not welcome.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year ago | (#45187171)

Laws can't work without the support of the general population (re: drug war). The question is, why is it illegal to wander across the face of the planet if it takes my fancy and make an honest attempt to pay taxes and abide by the local laws? Think about it, did the Mongols ask Marco Polo for his passport or did they proudly show him a nifty navigation device called a "compass" to help him on his journey?

Re: Illegal, Not Undocumented. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187633)

The answer is tht it's bot illegal. The issue is with people that don't abide by all local laws and pay taxes.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187319)

So your ancestors did get permission from the original American Indians to come and settle in America?

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187389)

No but they had guns; that was permission enough. Might makes right, you know.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (0)

demon driver (1046738) | about a year ago | (#45187393)

"Why are illegal immigrants being called undocumented?" Because, if to use correct language is more than just a pretense for anti-humanist, misanthropic political propaganda, there is no such thing as an illegal person, which is what the term illegal immigrant amounts to. There may be an offense called illegal immigration, but that doesn't make the offending person any more illegal than theft, speeding or tax fraud.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187429)

Narrowminded troll is narrowminded. Your immigration laws are illegal, I certainly didn't agree to their implementation, don't know who did, I am guessing it was not the settlers since they innovated in the area.

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (2)

tgd (2822) | about a year ago | (#45187469)

Why are illegal immigrants being called undocumented? The are documented, by their countries of origin. The reason they are undocumented in the US is because they are here ILLEGALLY. They have no right to claim legal status when they did not go through the proper legal process. IMO, these people are brazenly flouting our immigration laws without any fear of prosecution which only encourages more illegal immigration. This has to stop.

Illegal is illegal.

Not in the US. Illegal is only applied when there isn't an upside for those assigning the labels not doing so. Illegal war? Nope, those are opportunities to increase employment across a suite of contractor companies! Illegal immigrants? No! They're undocumented workers! (With legal family members who can vote!) Or maybe they're migrant workers! (Everyone likes inexpensive strawberries, after all!) Illegal financial transactions at megabanks? No! They're financial irregularies that will be investigated, after all taking action could badly damage the financial sector!

 

Re:Illegal, Not Undocumented. (4, Insightful)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#45187555)

So? Already in the place is already in the place. Nobody is going to send them all elsewhere especially since so many of those who make the rules are already benefiting from a shadow economy of people that can be paid less and treated worse than a "legal" employee. Pretending otherwise is not going to make it all go away by magic and treating these people like subhumans is only making things worse, making that shadow economy even more attractive and reducing the conditions for the "legal" employees.
The USA cannot afford to send them "home". Just getting angry about it hasn't helped for the last century+ either.

Young stupid people (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45186989)

Maybe you need young people, because they are stupid enough to think that spending hours for your employer is a great way to spend the precious little free time you'll have in your life. I used to think it was cool to spend 3-4 days at a demo party just hacking away. Now I would rather sleep, exercise and keep myself in good shape without worrying about crashing and trying to make up for lack of sleep.

Re:Young stupid people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187203)

Now I would rather sleep, exercise and keep myself in good shape without worrying about crashing and trying to make up for lack of sleep.

Ah, so you're unemployed too.

Let's face it, having a work life balance in no longer tolerated in corp America; hence the smartphones keeping one tied to their job 24/7 - and even on vacations.

Don't like it? There's a Third World citizen who'll do it for half the price and think he's living like a king.

Re:Young stupid people (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187379)

This is why I work in Europe. Enjoy your land of the free.

Re:Young stupid people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187211)

Or young people trying to make a name for themselves and keep a paycheck. Don't know if they still do it, but for years EA expected its programmers and testers to sleep at the office during crunch (and I remember an article where they tried to keep a guy from seeing his own child being born). I saw a little of that visiting (one of) their offices, but I didn't actually work for them and am not allowed to disclose why I was there or what I was working on for them due to the contract and NDA (probably can say when, though - late 1990s).

Re:Young stupid people (2)

billcarson (2438218) | about a year ago | (#45187249)

Not stupid, but desperate. Getting a well-paid job isn't easy these times, you know.

Who''s stupid? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187353)

Not stupid, but desperate. Getting a well-paid job isn't easy these times, you know.

Well paid?

If you consider all the hours, stress, and bullshit one has to put up with from billionaires who got real lucky, the pay in software development sucks.

I have a relative who is an electrician for a utility. He works less annual hours but with the storm overtime and shift differentials, he pulls in over $100K (after union dues) - AND he has a pension.

AND his job can't get off-shored.

Sure there are some late nights freezing his ass off, but at least he's PAID for it. Oh, and at 50+, he (and everyone else his age or older) hasn't "aged out" like many of us do in this industry.

Re:Who''s stupid? (1)

billcarson (2438218) | about a year ago | (#45187575)

I happen to know quite a few electricians as well. Let's just say I wouldn't want to be in their shoes right now. There are plenty of people with an equal degree who are jobless, so pay is low in that sector. Every day their job pool is shrinking (recently a local car plant closed down. Another 200 job seekers to compete to). I live in Europe, maybe the situation is different in North America, I don't know.
Most likely your relative is (like many of his generation) very expensive to keep, but not replaceable because those unions made it impossible to fire someone (if you want to know how those stories end, look at Italy).

Re:Young stupid people (3, Insightful)

gmack (197796) | about a year ago | (#45187277)

Stupid managers as well. Every few years my employer retries that idea only for the bug counts to skyrocket as the hours get later. After about an 11 hour day, more time is spent fixing bugs created by overtired employees than making actual progress.

Bad summary (4, Interesting)

barlevg (2111272) | about a year ago | (#45186995)

Conflating two stories that shouldn't be conflated: the FWD.us hackathon isn't a Facebook-employee lock-in. It's (basically) a publicity stunt designed to help / help raise awareness for immigration reform. That has nothing to do with any tyrannical measures Zuckerberg is taking as CEO.

Re:Bad summary (1)

pjt33 (739471) | about a year ago | (#45187011)

Sounds to me like a honeypot set up by US immigration, but maybe I'm just too cynical.

Re:Bad summary (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187091)

if only it WAS.

You see illegals picketing all the time in D.C.....why no crackdown/arrests/deportations?

Re:Bad summary (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45187151)

if only it WAS.

You see illegals picketing all the time in D.C.....why no crackdown/arrests/deportations?

Well, you see, America has what's called a "Two party system". One of the parties operates under the bleeding-heart assumption that illegal immigrants might actually be humans, and might actually vote for them. The other party isn't that optimistic; but likes its laborers cheap, expendable, and powerless.

(Also, when it comes to playing law-enforcement whack-a-mole, fighting the 'war on drugs' and getting some of that sweet, sweet, civil forfeiture action pays so much better than rounding up illegal mexicans.)

Re:Bad summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187349)

Wow you're so objective I can't tell which one you favor!

Really though if you favor either one, you're a sucker. The point of a two party system is to play you in the middle. Sort of like good cop, bad cop only they swap roles every now and then.

Re:Bad summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187453)

You mean the same illegals who got permission to host a rally on areas that were closed off to the public during the government shutdown?

In -any- other country, they would be rounded up, tossed in a paddy wagon, processed, then sent back to their home country, stat. If seen again, they would be rounded up, put in a prison for 5-10 years, then send home. Here in the US, they seem to be the next Democratic voting bloc, so they are treated with more respect than WWII vets who actually gave something to the country.

Of course, the Reps and the teabaggers are not the light-on-the-hill party either.

Re:Bad summary (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187135)

One could only hope so. Illegal immigration is one of the driving economic factors killing this country (not discounting the brain damaged policies coming out of the current administration). It's been well established that a very large percentage of those who come here illegally because "they only want a better life" end up in prison for things like robbery, rape, murder, drugs, etc. If they had no respect for our laws when they came here why would they respect our laws after the fact? I've witnessed it personally. They have no interest in the American way of life. It's all viva la raza while sucking up all of our resources. Instead of amnesty we need to start talking about rounding them up, shipping them to Antarctica, and let them walk back. At least it would take a bit longer for them to get back here.

Re:Bad summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187359)

Re:Bad summary (1)

andy1307 (656570) | about a year ago | (#45187177)

You're missing theodp's point.
  1. The Man's keeping you down
  2. They're going to take yer jobs

Re:Bad summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187279)

You got that right!
They will take it in a heart beat.
Then when they get in trouble, flash they disappear.

Re:Bad summary (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about a year ago | (#45187497)

But Zuckerberg needs the illegals to accomplish his "come as close to [locking people in the buildings as possible]"

so why isn't the meeting going to be busted? (4, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#45186997)

genuinely curious. if you have time to arrest and send people out for making remarks on twitter how come undocumented(I assume that's double speak for illegally working) immigrants can hold public meetings?

Re:so why isn't the meeting going to be busted? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187111)

POTUS Obama has ordered the INS/DHS/and others not to arrest undocumented immigrants/illegal immigrants/illegal aliens. This has been reported in the Main Stream Media for years. (Remember Obama's law-breaking uncle?)

Re:so why isn't the meeting going to be busted? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187155)

Because this administration just sees future voters for the democratic party. Why get all hung up on the fact that they're breaking the law? They do it everyday.

Re:so why isn't the meeting going to be busted? (2)

SirGarlon (845873) | about a year ago | (#45187195)

how come undocumented ... immigrants can hold public meetings?

Mostly because the First Amendment right to assembly is not restricted to US citizens [lewrockwell.com] .

Re:so why isn't the meeting going to be busted? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187239)

That is irrelevant. If someone organised a convention of bank robbers you wouldn't arrest the attendees for holding an unlawful assembly. You'd arrest them for robbing banks.

That said, I don't think they should be arrested. Immigration law needs some serious reform.

Re:so why isn't the meeting going to be busted? (3, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | about a year ago | (#45187535)

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think attendance at a bank robber conventions is sufficient to arrest someone. You'd need a warrant for that person's arrest, meaning reasonable suspicion he had actually robbed a bank.

Put another way, arresting people just because they chose to attend a gathering *is* an infringement of their right to assembly. The exception being if the gathering itself is criminal, e.g. a conspiracy meeting or a riot.

Re:so why isn't the meeting going to be busted? (3, Insightful)

Lithdren (605362) | about a year ago | (#45187207)

Maybe because being undocumented has nothing to do with being here illegally? While its possible, its not a given, as many different situations can cause someone to become an undocumented individual who cannot prove their citizenship or right to be in the country. Lucky we're not all jerks and deport people without due cause.

Illegal != Undocumented (3, Informative)

sjbe (173966) | about a year ago | (#45187235)

I assume that's double speak for illegally working

Undocumented means exactly what it you think the word means. It means there is no documentation available to prove the person's citizenship status. If I were to lose certain important documents, I would be undocumented and I'm a US citizen. Often immigrants who are here illegally are also undocumented but undocumented does not mean illegal and illegal does not mean undocumented.

FWD.us (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187001)

Facebook's wealth demands unlimited slavery

Re:FWD.us (1)

TheloniousToady (3343045) | about a year ago | (#45187041)

Facebook's wealth demands unlimited slavery

Maybe that's why they tried to get into the phone business. Hey, it worked for Apple.

Breaking the law (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187007)

Admitting to age discrimination are we?

Re:Breaking the law (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45187169)

Admitting to age discrimination are we?

Of course not. Our HR department's compliance specialists would love to assure you that no such violations are taking place. Now, as an unfortunate matter of fact, old, uncool, balding sickies with 'families' and 'lives outside work' happen to be a poor fit for our company culture, and our hiring process takes ensuring the continuation of the company's innovative culture very seriously; but all applications are given the consideration that the law requires.

If all this is true (3, Insightful)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | about a year ago | (#45187017)

and I admit to not reading the many links, but taking the article at face value (dangerous I know)
BUT
if all of it is true and accurate, it sounds like Mr. Z is a world-class asshole and is trying to bring back the dark days of robber barons building their wealth on the backs/lives of indentured servants...

Yet one more reason (like you needed another really) not to use Facebook

Re:If all this is true (2)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | about a year ago | (#45187047)

Suckerberg, my bad, Zuckerberg is a world-class asshole.

Re:If all this is true (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45187181)

Why do you think that Silicon valley has an entire population of wealthy and petulant .com zillionaires with schemes to build their own nominally-libertarian company towns outside of national jurisdiction?

Re:If all this is true (3, Insightful)

Electricity Likes Me (1098643) | about a year ago | (#45187367)

Because it's a town full of people with specializations in a growth field (so they think its as easy for anyone else as they perceived it to be), and then they became rich so now there worldviews will never be challenged, nor will they ever experience any of the issues anyone else ever does.

As was noted in an article on the Great Depression, perspective colors everything: if you were rich and didn't lose everything, and lived in the right neighbourhood then "there were no bread lines".

I suppose (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187023)

it's the employees' choices to stay and work there.

However, these kind of antics seem somewhat tyrannical or unethical to me. To a fb hater like myself (never used and never will), this is more justification to not use that site.

Highly educated slaves (5, Insightful)

korbulon (2792438) | about a year ago | (#45187025)

That's the true goal of these companies, and a big reason they're all so keen on H1B1.

These big tech fucks move into a town, drive the real estate prices sky-high so you basically have to be upper management to own a place outside the "campus", and if not then you must either live well outside the critical radius and spend at least an hour commuting (good luck with your family), or opt to live within company provided housing ( http://www.sfgate.com/business/bottomline/article/Facebook-partner-to-build-Menlo-Park-housing-4860826.php [sfgate.com] ).

But this has been done before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town [wikipedia.org] . Sigh. So wearisome.

Re:Highly educated slaves (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187183)

So are you saying you expect some egalitarianism with the shiny tech jobs? Sir, utopia is not on this continent.

Re:Highly educated slaves (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45187243)

Ah, the plan will not be complete until we can pay the workers in scrip. I'm pretty sure that ZyngaCash isn't an option, since Facebook is having togetherness issues with them. Does Facebook have a pseudo-currency they could use?

Re:Highly educated slaves (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187445)

Bitcoin.

Mod parent +1 Insightful (1)

QilessQi (2044624) | about a year ago | (#45187515)

It seems completely within the realm of possibility to have the workers paid in FaceBucks, GoogleBooty, MicroCents, etc. within a few decades. These would probably start as in-world currency for the various gaming platforms hosted by these companies, but spread outward from there to purchase food and shelter at company-owned places.

Re:Highly educated slaves (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187579)

Yes, but we (as in society as a whole not every member of it) keep falling for these robber baron cycles because so many people are morons and vote against their interests simply by the powers that be labeling anyone as "socialist" who speaks out against this. And this is MURKA! WE AINT NO SOCIALISTS!!!

tl;dr (4, Interesting)

bradley13 (1118935) | about a year ago | (#45187031)

tl;dr - if you want to be a huge success in business, you need to be an a**hole

Re:tl;dr (1)

guytoronto (956941) | about a year ago | (#45187121)

This is the internet. You're allowed to swear.

Re:tl;dr (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187255)

tl;dr - if you want to be a huge success in business, you need to be an a**hole

Sounds like you are well on your way to being a huge success then.

Lockdown (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187037)

I know of a company here where the alarm goes off at 5pm and if you're not out by 5:15pm, you are locked in for the night.

She makes not working late attractive.

I guess since the US hasn't had their own dark age (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187039)

...they feel compelled to catch up. Welcome to feudalism.

Slavery (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187051)

We all know the jews are experts at slavery, themselves being slaves once. All these corporations are trying to do by influencing the immigration reform movement is get their hands on cheap laborers they can enslave and exploit.

Immigration reform? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187061)

Immigration reform, local wage suppression, what's the difference.

Re:Immigration reform? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187269)

One sounds nicer in press releases. Anyone who still believes the industry's H1-B bullshit in this day and age truly is a tard.

The jokes on Zuckerberg (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187089)

As with any large company that writes code as its primary product.... Most of the people do very little even though they do long hours. At FB only a couple of core teams do most of the work and even then there are a handful key players on those teams.

So he's still an asshole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187097)

No news there. :)
I would be afraid to use his services.

Zuckerberg (4, Interesting)

MrKaos (858439) | about a year ago | (#45187115)

A fine example of leadership without empathy.

Sounds like he figured out the truth (5, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | about a year ago | (#45187119)

Sounds like ZB figured out the truth about America and is acting upon it. The only way to hire people is to ensure that they have little ability to appeal to the American court system.

Re:Sounds like he figured out the truth (4, Insightful)

malkavian (9512) | about a year ago | (#45187159)

No idea how you managed to get a -1 for that.. It's the reason I didn't move to the US long ago (the balance between the worker and employer is screwed, and it's only become worse as time has progressed).. It does seem as though some corporates really are trying to set up an environment that is very close to indentured servitude. Natural citizens still have legal privileges that trump the desires of the corporates for cheap labour, so they want to import.
That, really, is a crappy way to do business. It'll work in a short term, but ends up as a race to the bottom, and probable collapse far earlier than necessary (wasting a lot of long term productivity and profit).

Re:Sounds like he figured out the truth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187253)

-1 because it is probably Zuckerberg himself modding down what he sees as the most damaging comments.

So? (3, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | about a year ago | (#45187141)

If I had any interest at all in working for the latest version of MySpace.com, this might be upsetting, but I don't, so who cares?

-jcr

Re:So? (2)

Lithdren (605362) | about a year ago | (#45187251)

Because when someone starts doing something that makes them a lot of money, whatever methods they are using has this really nasty tendency to spread like a disease. While this particular flavor of CEO may not be affecting you, its all together possible he's going to end up rubbing off on some other flavor of CEO who is. And if not you, someone you care about.

Because they have the weight (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187605)

to pull the rest of us down with them (and I already make under the average income in the US).

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Re:So? (2)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#45187613)

Because other companies will follow suit if Facebook is successful in this tactic. You're extremely naive to think that this will only ever happen at Facebook, etc.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187655)

If I had any interest at all in working for the latest version of MySpace.com, this might be upsetting, but I don't, so who cares?

-jcr

But... But, but - you posted about it; you stole away my time (along with everyone else's) along with your's again for reading this reply. Why? Why???!!! You Zucker-wannabe. :)

Zuckerberg H. Christ (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187173)

I think bosses prefer hiring HB-1s and illegals because it gives them something powerful to hold over the employees head. If the employee feels secure in their life, then they are more likely to challenge the employer and stand up for reasonable rights. So, "immigration reform" to these companies is a way for them to legalize slavery while importing people whose only goal is to export as much of their paycheck back to their home countries as possible.

And seriously, employee lock-ins? Why do people put up with that crap? Is working at a social media company, which will most like be replaced by another social media company within five years, some great honor? People need to have some respect for themselves.

let the hysteria commence (4, Informative)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | about a year ago | (#45187189)

There's nothing in the linked articles to suggest that these "lock-ins" are any different than what many other companies do, especially start-ups, when there is a crucial problem at hand. (To me this 'necessity' sometimes indicates poor management and planning, other times perhaps it's needed). I notice that the first Google result I found [fastcompany.com] isn't mentioned in the summary. It clarifies a bit what the lockdown means, apparently doesn't mean no one is allowed to leave the office or other such nonsense. The link to the Bangladeshi factory story appears to be an absurd comparison.

Intel calls it Dungeons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187193)

Intel has something similar thing where employees aren't supposed to work until the problem gets fixed. Literally the rooms are called "Dungeons" (they used to have signs on the door, but HR told them to pull it down). Everyone still calls it a dungeon though.

The dungeons pull in people from a bunch of groups, all into the same room to solve the problem. This could last for a number of days (or months), but people work extremely long hours. In general, free food isn't a perk from Intel, but during dungeons they give both lunch and dinner to keep you working.

ZuckerBERG is a Jew... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187221)

... therefore this is normal - nation-wrecking is in his blood.

Re:ZuckerBERG is a Jew... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187297)

so lets get the real story (1)

nimbius (983462) | about a year ago | (#45187223)

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Facebook-Reviews-E40772.htm [glassdoor.com]

according to 500 people, facebook is a nice company to work for and they all approve of zuckerberg. Thats not a lot considering facebook employs far more people than just those 500 reviewers. Facebookers: feel free to update information accordingly to we can at least attempt an objective view of this mans policies and actions as glorious leader.

how many minus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187627)

the astroturfing... and can they witch hunt posters?

Re:so lets get the real story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187635)

97% approve of Zuckerberg? Hahahaha. Either that company is a cult or you can clearly tell that the reviews have been stacked by shills.

I worked for a place like that (2)

morgauxo (974071) | about a year ago | (#45187237)

I worked for a place like that. It went out of business when all the employees got fed up, found new jobs and left.

A tried and true strategy. (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about a year ago | (#45187405)

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Locking the Doors? (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about a year ago | (#45187459)

So is that why he likes illegals so much? He cannot legally lock the doors, but he can send a few border patrol cops after anyone who leaves before he says they can?

We call them "Cannonball Run" (5, Interesting)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#45187527)

We have Cannonball Runs, where our developers and engineers work long days, enjoy company-provided, catered meals, and concierge services to help in their absence at home, and of course preems, which are financial incentives for accelerating the schedule.

It's about as far from what this asshole is doing as you can get, but we get fantastic results, and the work product is very high quality. That's why I spend the money to do it. It does cost money - about $5k/day for a team of 10 people (I refuse to call them "resources").

And zuck would get from me..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45187611)

A big "fuck you" as I grabbed my coat and walked out.

You want a project done fast, offer incentive... "Guys let's get this done today! $5000 bonus for each of you if we get it done in the next 24 hours. He can easily afford a paltry $5K to everyone to get them to work their brains out. Sadly he is not smart enough to know that you get subpar coding from making them work like that.

Zuck is a good marketing and BS man, wish is a great CEO job...he doesnt know shit about coding or product management, but tried to act like he does.

So Zuck's campaign contribs for amnesty? (2)

gelfling (6534) | about a year ago | (#45187629)

Are pretty much just a bribe to Congress and Obama to let him continue to be a white slaver. DREAM act my ass.

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