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Dell Ad Says Windows 8.1 Apps Will Run On Xbox One

Soulskill posted about 9 months ago | from the welcome-to-crazy-town dept.

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cold fjord writes "An article at DailyTech begins, 'While many people scoffed at or failed to recognized the significance of Microsoft Corp.'s talk of a "unified" development path for Windows, Xbox, and Windows Phone, the real world ramifications of that approach are now becoming clear — and they're significant. A pre-order page from Dell for the Xbox One "accidentally" (and, it appears, officially) revealed that Windows 8.1 apps will run on the Xbox.'" A Microsoft spokesperson told AllThingsD, 'The suggestion that all Windows 8 apps run on Xbox One is not accurate," but they didn't deny that there would be some cross-compatibility. PCWorld's article has words of caution: "It would certainly be interesting if the full-blown Windows Store landed on Xbox One. But don't hold your breath for it to be there at the console's launch, no matter what Dell's words vaguely imply."

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finally (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45197907)

an appropriate screen and input for "metro" apps. They should run exclusively on XBone

Re:finally (5, Funny)

davester666 (731373) | about 9 months ago | (#45198171)

I can totally see how a single UI paradigm will give a top quality experience when the user has:

-a mouse/trackpad, keyboard and small/medium/large non-touch screen
-a trackpad, keyboard and small touchscreeen
-a small touchscreen
-a console game controller and a TV

They totally have to complete the job and kill Windows Phone, and just ship Windows 8.2 RT for both tablets and phones.

Finally, Microsoft Word for your phone. They will blow Android out of the water.

Re:finally (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198415)

Even if they do get it right, it would take years and years to 'blow android out of the water'. For the same reason that apple could release a new phone almost identical in every way to the last one, and still sell millions on the first day.

Re: finally (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198747)

Don't forget to run your Whoosh 8.1 app first thing when you set up your XboxOne. Mastering the Whoosh interface really helps with everything else you'll do.

Re:finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198825)

Exactly, and even then, Android is still evolving.

Re:finally (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198741)

Ain't gonna happen.

Microsoft move is quite similar to Valve. Valve bets on Linux, makes it core of it own OS for consoles. Either Valve will have it's own mobile or it will make it's OS cross compatible with Android/other Linux mobiles for feature parity. MS will make its own cross-compatible with WIN console. But it will not save Microsoft. Sony consoles will probably just die, around same time as Microsoft ones.

Everyone in sane mind will prefer Valve/Android/Linux to Windows Phone/Xbox/Windows, it may not be as evident now.

Re:finally (4, Insightful)

Arkham (10779) | about 9 months ago | (#45199105)

Finally, Microsoft Word for your phone. They will blow Android out of the water.

The ONLY way anyone is blowing Android out of the water is if they provide a better product and give it away for free. Android isn't where it is because it's superior; it's there because manufacturers can use it for free.

Re:finally (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199477)

Finally, Microsoft Word for your phone. They will blow Android out of the water.

Office apps are already on the Windows Phone, at least enough functionality to make draft documents or edit documents. I'm not going to be typing lab reports with my thumbs. However, I have written short stories (4-5 pages), which the phone saves to SkyDrive and I open on my computer later.

I also made a budget in Excel on my computer. Later my wife and I couldn't remember how much we budgeted for shopping, so I opened the spreadsheet on my phone, and there it was.

Re:finally (3, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 9 months ago | (#45199651)

Am I the only one here who still recognizes sarcasm?

No. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45197917)

I don't want to turn my expensive PC into a console.

And i don't want to turn my console into a half assed PC.

Re:No. (2)

icelator (1402517) | about 9 months ago | (#45197959)

too late they already are

Re:No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198395)

They're actually worse than half-assed.

Re:No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199001)

In other news they are also way less expensive than they should have been (without all that cheap chinese hardware running Windows thanks to MS, which is what most of the ./ crowd seems to forget)

Re:No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199023)

Way less? No way dude.

Re:No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198437)

I don't own a console, so this way i could have a kick-ass console and an expensive pc just by adding software and a long hdmi cable. Pretty much what steam is also going for, doesn't sound half bad to me.

Re:No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199813)

Its not an expensive PC the core it uses is worse than used in the normal AMD CPU / GPU hybrids.

Its theoretically could be powerful enough. Very few people have mastered how to work well with normal AMD Desktop CPU's (Don't know any games that manage to do anything other than run much worse than they should). The ones used will be even harder unless everything is abstracted. However I doubt the big publishers will accept that because it will stop the quick and dirty ports they love doing so much.

Viruses? Oh dear... (4, Interesting)

AtomicSymphonic (2570041) | about 9 months ago | (#45197933)

From my perspective, even though the Xbox One is limited in its capabilities as a full-on computer, malware could bring havoc upon the XBL community... This feels like opening a Pandora's Box, to me...

Welcome to last May (2)

symbolset (646467) | about 9 months ago | (#45198005)

This is not news. [engadget.com] It's a PC. It's made by Microsoft. Why would it not run Windows apps?

Re:Welcome to last May (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198279)

Exactly, it's a Microsoft console.

Windows apps will Play for Sure!

Re:Welcome to last May (1)

kernelistic (160323) | about 9 months ago | (#45199723)

Hah! I see what you did there!

Re:Viruses? Oh dear... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 9 months ago | (#45198199)

luckily the RT metro variant isn't enough of a general purpose computer for the viruses to be a problem....

so you'll have metro apps. it's just XBL the next generation. which is exactly what is wrong with metro in the first place...

Re:Viruses? Oh dear... (2)

dbIII (701233) | about 9 months ago | (#45198249)

There's already been malware on MS Windows based automatic teller machines. That wasn't a big enough wakeup call so here we go again.

Re:Viruses? Oh dear... (3, Interesting)

Xest (935314) | about 9 months ago | (#45198253)

Well it was never a problem for XBox Live Indie games so I don't see why it would be a problem now.

The Windows Store is fairly well vetted much like Apple's app store, and Metro apps are fairly heavily restricted in what they can do much like XBox Live Indie Games were.

I don't think viruses will be a problem therefore, and even if malicious software got on I think with Metro's restrictions there's really fuck all it could do of any interest anyway.

The biggest concern I have is it's going to take a console, which should be a device for playing games in a simple manner and turn it into a computer which will be cluttered with all sorts of irrelevant shit. I don't want that. That's what my PC is for and to a lesser extent my tablet. All I want my console to do is be able to play games, and maybe play movies and music across my network.

If I wanted a PC in my living room, I'd stick one there.

Re:Viruses? Oh dear... (1)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about 9 months ago | (#45199285)

The biggest concern I have is it's going to take a console, which should be a device for playing games in a simple manner and turn it into a computer which will be cluttered with all sorts of irrelevant shit.

It's nothing new - the Mega CD was the first console (IIRC) that could do something other than play games, in this case play music CDs. It can even be used as a (sort of) karaoke machine, thanks to CD+G support.

Re:Viruses? Oh dear... (1)

Xest (935314) | about 9 months ago | (#45199341)

But at least that sort of functionality has still been entertainment oriented.

The point is that if you start to focus on general computing then you're detracting from the whole point of a console and doing a half-arsed job of something that PCs et. al. already do far better.

Re:Viruses? Oh dear... (2)

Half-pint HAL (718102) | about 9 months ago | (#45199547)

But at least that sort of functionality has still been entertainment oriented.

The point is that if you start to focus on general computing then you're detracting from the whole point of a console and doing a half-arsed job of something that PCs et. al. already do far better.

The first megasuccess in console land was the NES, known in Japan as the Famicom, or "family computer", In Japan you could get all sorts of peripherals for it, but that didn't make Super Mario any less fun.

Re:Viruses? Oh dear... (1)

Xest (935314) | about 9 months ago | (#45199749)

Interesting and something I never knew, but I'm not sure it changes things much. Ultimately consoles became what they were because it was recognised that devices for specific purposes do better at specific purposes and that consoles are best suited to gaming and entertainment, whilst PCs are best kept for general computing. Obviously the Famicom idea died a death, presumably for exactly this reason, that all people wanted to do in their living room was play Mario such that it's not that the general computing features made Mario any less fun, but that because the device was primarily targetted at entertainment, it did a really shit job of anything else.

It's the same now, Microsoft release IE for the 360, and it's shit and useless compared to a tablet or PC and nothing will change that in the same way that FPS games are awful on touch screen phones and tablets. This is also why people are still writing iOS and Android apps on Macs/PCs and not on mobile phones and tablets - because they're a shit medium for most content creation.

The idea of every type of action being able to be done on every type of device has never worked and has always ended miserably with half arsed bodge job features that no one ever uses.

I wouldn't even need an XBox if I could do everything I ever wanted on any device. I'd just do it all on my phone in my pocket, but that's not the case.

Re:Viruses? Oh dear... (2)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 9 months ago | (#45198775)

I'm more confused by the fact that they made it run only RT applications instead of full on desktop x86.

Well, I understand the marketing. They all but slaughtered their desktop OS to get people make software for their shitty phone OS.

Makes me wonder if we'll see x86 windows desktop hacks on XBone soon.

Re:Viruses? Oh dear... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 9 months ago | (#45198811)

what's there to be confused about? from one they get all the user data, usage histories and installation counts and a cut of each monetary action and from the other they don't get anything...

their problem is that they want different thing than whats good for their customers. it used to be that ms was just shitty to customers of others but now they're turned shitty to their own users, thanks to strategies laid out under ballmer.

Re:Viruses? Oh dear... (2)

Your.Master (1088569) | about 9 months ago | (#45198935)

For all the flak Microsoft gets for their app store apps, that UI seems much more conducive to a controller + Kinect interface than the mouse & keyboard desktop was. I don't know why anybody would want that, unless they were plugging a mouse and keyboard into their xbox.

Re: Viruses? Oh dear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199287)

And yet when I plug my xbox controller into my 8.1 PC it doesn't work with the interface.

Re:Viruses? Oh dear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199093)

No one gives a shit about full x86 desktop anymore except for ones who already use a viable alternative. How about that?

Please read the PCWORLD disclaimer (3, Interesting)

Bite The Pillow (3087109) | about 9 months ago | (#45197949)

If you're too stupid to properly understand the quote, read the PC World disclaimer article before going apeshit.

"With all your favorite Windows 8 apps..." does not mean everything will be portable - it doesn't automatically mean any app will even run as-is.

It is standard marketing horseshit indicating that some of your apps won't be available, otherwise they would have shat ALL out with bold and different colors and a brass band and fluffers for all.

I fully expect these to be a re-built subset of applications, not binary compatible but code compatible. Or if it is code compatible, then something like a "Windows CE" subset of targeted API so that certain apps will work and others won't. But I'm going with binary incompatibility for now.

Re:Please read the PCWORLD disclaimer (2)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 9 months ago | (#45198087)

So, about the same as the Surface RT? If that's the bar they're setting, then this will doubtless be a huge success.

Re:Please read the PCWORLD disclaimer (2)

DavidD_CA (750156) | about 9 months ago | (#45198095)

If they can build the Surface RT and have it run all the Windows RT apps, then what's to stop them from allowing the X-Box One from doing the same?

Re:Please read the PCWORLD disclaimer (1)

Lord Lemur (993283) | about 9 months ago | (#45199661)

Preventing software from doing things they find either unprofitable (for MS) or naughty inside the xbone walled garden, mostly. My first thought would be game save editors and exportors, altering local keys, setting up proxies for authentication, stealing credentials or generally interacting with other software/software's memory space.

Re:Please read the PCWORLD disclaimer (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 9 months ago | (#45198103)

These are also "apps", not "applications". This means these are the silly windows store things that no one uses anyway (at least not on a PC), many of which are built with Javascript instead of being native executables.

Re:Please read the PCWORLD disclaimer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198457)

I'd think it would be so stupid that Win8 apps wouldn't work on it, it IS just JavaScript and a wrapper, right? Or did MS create the child to ActiveX again?
Mind you, Microsoft has incompatible parsing between IE5 on Windows and Mac, so go figure.

If they had every app portable, that would really be a killer app that even I would need to consider looking in to since, despite the shitfest of a conference and hilarious reaction, people will still buy Xbone.

Re: Please read the PCWORLD disclaimer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199351)

The WinRT API is natively C++ and based on COM. Javascript is a second class citizen.

Re:Please read the PCWORLD disclaimer (2)

dabadab (126782) | about 9 months ago | (#45198753)

I fully expect these to be a re-built subset of applications, not binary compatible but code compatible.

Actually they are most probably talking about the "Windows Store apps". These contain both x86 and ARM binaries, run sandboxed, fullscreen with the Metro UI, so I see no reason you could not run them on the X1. However I also do not see much reason to be excited by this functionality - only time will tell, but I do not see huge potential in running dumbed down, simple apps on a gaming console.

Re: Please read the PCWORLD disclaimer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199369)

Sure they could run. But they're not built for a controller interface.

Re:Please read the PCWORLD disclaimer (2)

Half-pint HAL (718102) | about 9 months ago | (#45199615)

However I also do not see much reason to be excited by this functionality - only time will tell, but I do not see huge potential in running dumbed down, simple apps on a gaming console.

I think the primary goal will be in trapping the "smart TV" market sector. Having media consumption apps on a cross-platform system will give them advantages in terms of market share, and they'll be hoping that this snowballs. I suspect the end-goal is getting the TV makers to drop their own smart TV platforms and start using WinRT.

Re:Please read the PCWORLD disclaimer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199631)

They could easily do binary compatibility with the XBone running and x86-64 processor. I doubt they will let all Windows apps be compatible though, probably just TIFKAM (The Interface Formerly Know As Metro) apps, and then likely just ones sold through the Windows Store.

Re:Please read the PCWORLD disclaimer (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 9 months ago | (#45199825)

"With all your favorite Windows 8 apps..." does not mean everything will be portable - it doesn't automatically mean any app will even run as-is.

It's false advertising, is what it is. If they're talking to me, and my favorite app doesn't run, then they're liars. And since they are claiming to be talking to me, they are liars.

This is precisely the kind of thing we should be able to successfully sue over. It's a lie. Why do we enshrine lies?

not a dumb idea actually (3, Funny)

icelator (1402517) | about 9 months ago | (#45197967)

you know what if they actually did it and did it right it could get the windows 8 app store going, also letting people program apps for their xbox could be interesting as well.

Finally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45197969)

Excel for Xbox!

Why? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45197983)

Why is this story on here? It's well known this community by and large hates Microsoft, hates "Metro", hates Windows 8 apps and most of them also hate the XBox One (even the lame attempt at a derogatory nickname "XBone"). Seriously another Windows 8 related story is just another Metro hatefest, FWIW Im not a fan of it either and by this time it is well established that most of this community doesn't like it either so why bother putting in yet another story that we all know is just going to have a comments section that degenerates into haters beating eachother off over it.

Re:Why? (1)

kamapuaa (555446) | about 9 months ago | (#45198057)

The 360 is popular, & more people here run Windows than anything else I'm sure. So, why not?

I don't run Windows 8.1 - programs can be created that run interchangeably on an 8.1 computer, Windows phone, tablet, and now XBone? If that means XBox will be able to easily run apps, it's sort of cool I guess.

Re:Why? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 9 months ago | (#45198109)

But there's nothing in the store worth the effort of downloading.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199497)

But there's nothing in the store worth the effort of downloading.

It does have one good (1 free table, pay for more) pinball game!

Re:Why? (1)

Half-pint HAL (718102) | about 9 months ago | (#45199635)

But there's nothing in the store worth the effort of downloading.

...yet. But with the XB1 users on the appstore by default, Microsoft will be hoping that they've got the inertia to get developers interested.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198183)

haha, Yes, Dell can fuck me off with its crippled bioses, upgradability, and proprietary hardware and software drivers.

Re:Why? (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | about 9 months ago | (#45198823)

Strange, I've seen XBox fans talk about it as the "XBone" too. Yeah, sure, it's a nickname, but it is a logical contraction. After all the product is called XBox One... XB One... or for quick typers XBone.

The first time I actually read it, I was wondering what they were writing about, until I realized what it was and I now constantly read it mentally as XB-one... Not as X-Bone.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198957)

I suspect people actually are trying to make you think X-Bone. If it were a contraction I suspect they'd type xb1 or xbox1.

Re:Why? (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | about 9 months ago | (#45199213)

Some people might then think you're talking about the first XBox, which is the old P-III based one. Personally, Microsoft didn't think the name through. I guess, names like these should be tested on a bunch of 13 year olds to figure out whether it could become misused. I know you think that "X-Bone" is what you should be reading, but I don't and I'm pretty sure many people don't read that either. I think that says more about you than anything else: As I said, it's in wide use with the MS/XBox fanbois.

Re:Why? (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about 9 months ago | (#45199293)

I agree with the assertion that you can't call it xb1 or xbox1 because, you're right, it's too easily confused with the original xbox. I do read it as X-Bone, but mainly because of the anti-consumer traps MS was going to stick in it. The first time I read XBone was after the E3 revile around the time they were discussing (the phone home, phone home every 24 hours, no phone home at all) debacle. Unfortunately for MS by the time they pulled all that stuff out it was too late. XBone, which should be written as XBOne or XBO, was stuck.

Actually that's not really any better. XBO looks like an emoticon for an angry screaming 12 year old, which is the image MS is trying to get away from. Whoever they had in the marketing department that came up with the name should just be fired. There is no simple contraction for the consoles name that isn't confusing or have negative connotations.

Balls were dropped all over the place (works on so many levels) with this console.

Re:Why? (1)

Half-pint HAL (718102) | about 9 months ago | (#45199653)

Some people might then think you're talking about the first XBox, which is the old P-III based one. Personally, Microsoft didn't think the name through. I guess, names like these should be tested on a bunch of 13 year olds to figure out whether it could become misused. I know you think that "X-Bone" is what you should be reading, but I don't and I'm pretty sure many people don't read that either. I think that says more about you than anything else: As I said, it's in wide use with the MS/XBox fanbois.

On the other hand, the fact that you assume "x bone" is something a 13 year old would come up with says more about you than anything else. I can't help reading "X-Bone", and I have an image of a cartoon bone in a dog's mouth. The 13-year-old comment suggests you think something else when you see "bone"...

Interface (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198055)

Wonder how well apps intended for a touchscreen will work with a controller (unless they rig up Kinect to act as a Minority report style interface)

Re: Interface (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198481)

Apart from the minority style interface, there is always SmartGlass.

of course this is going to happen (4, Insightful)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about 9 months ago | (#45198061)

Why does anyone think it won't?

Metro apps will be portable to Xbox One. Because Xbox One runs a variant of Windows 8/Windows Phone 8. It won't be hard.

And MS will run the system as a trusted computing system meaning you can only get the apps from their app store. And thus they'll take 30%. And they'll have full approval over all the apps to be sold.

Why did anyone think MS wasn't planning to do this? It's good business sense.

Re:of course this is going to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198115)

Until they get GNU/SteamRolled ... O~~O(

Re:of course this is going to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198173)

" It's good business sense."
That no actual customer wants.

Re:of course this is going to happen (2)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | about 9 months ago | (#45198319)

Welcome to capitalism - if you don't like it, spend three decades making your own platform and marketing it hard enough to convince the vast majority who don't make decisions on technical merit.

Re:of course this is going to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198445)

Why would anyone do that when there's plenty of alternatives? We aren't still in 1997, son.

Re:of course this is going to happen (1)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | about 9 months ago | (#45198495)

Oh yes, capitalism is all about freedom of choice.

Re:of course this is going to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198519)

Would you like shit with strawberries or shit with vanilla ice cream?

Re:of course this is going to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199503)

There is no "individual mandate" to purchase an Xbox or Windows.

Re:of course this is going to happen (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 9 months ago | (#45198725)

Why does anyone think it won't?

...

Why did anyone think MS wasn't planning to do this? It's good business sense.

Wait what does MS planning to do something have to do with it actually working?

Re:of course this is going to happen (0)

Inda (580031) | about 9 months ago | (#45199077)

MS will run a Shit Sandwitch shop, meaning you can only buy Shit Sandwitches from their Shit Sandwitch shop. And thus they'll take 30% of all Shit Sandwitch sales. And they'll have full approval over the Shit Sandwitches sold.

It's good business sense, if you're in the Shit Sandwitch business.

let me know when.. (2)

issicus (2031176) | about 9 months ago | (#45198123)

the xbox will run windows games.

Re:let me know when.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198351)

It will not. It might run Microsoft Store games. But that includes only tablet-grade crap.

Great News! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198125)

All we need now is a steam app ;)

It won't work because MS is MS (2, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 9 months ago | (#45198207)

A Unified development path? Oh please, if MS wanted one, they COULD have made ALL their games available for both their console AND windows AND their phones ALREADY! They don't because MS isn't a company it is a number of departments involved in century old feuds. I know MS isn't centuries old but there departments are sure feuding like their great-great-great grand-daddy's have done.

MS can't do a unified approach because it is not a unified company. Just examine its countless position changes on whether Windows is or is not a gaming platform. In a way MS is even killing itself with it. The only thing I would need windows for is gaming. No windows games? Then I could just as well run Linux or a Mac. In fact, I do run Linux because more and more games are available on Linux or at least Linux friendly.

And no, I don't own a x-box. But smart move MS, make your own platform less relevant. Oh wait, then there is Games for Windows. Oh then it is not. Why do you think Valve is going ahead with Steam OS? Because they like building a OS more then building games? No because they are fucking tired of being depended on a company that is schizophrenic about its own OS.

Re:It won't work because MS is MS (1)

Paradigma11 (645246) | about 9 months ago | (#45198235)

A Unified development path? Oh please, if MS wanted one, they COULD have made ALL their games available for both their console AND windows AND their phones ALREADY! They don't because MS isn't a company it is a number of departments involved in century old feuds. I know MS isn't centuries old but there departments are sure feuding like their great-great-great grand-daddy's have done.

MS can't do a unified approach because it is not a unified company. Just examine its countless position changes on whether Windows is or is not a gaming platform. In a way MS is even killing itself with it. The only thing I would need windows for is gaming. No windows games? Then I could just as well run Linux or a Mac. In fact, I do run Linux because more and more games are available on Linux or at least Linux friendly.

And no, I don't own a x-box. But smart move MS, make your own platform less relevant. Oh wait, then there is Games for Windows. Oh then it is not. Why do you think Valve is going ahead with Steam OS? Because they like building a OS more then building games? No because they are fucking tired of being depended on a company that is schizophrenic about its own OS.

The only reason valve is building Steam OS is because they are now in direct competition with MS app store.

Re:It won't work because MS is MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198625)

They are building Steam OS because Microsoft pulled a "we are altering the deal - pray we do not alter it any further" over Windows.

When Steam arrived, Windows was an open platform.

Windows 8 (Metro) is a closed platform. Only sole software seller is Microsoft which takes a cut on everything (and does not allow Steam to sell anything to the users). Right now it is hard-locked to the OS only on Windows RT - on 8/8.1 you can still install desktop applications from anywhere or even run Steam.

Steam is fearing - for a good reason - that this may no longer be true in the not-too-distant future. They can either sit around and wait for Microsoft to alter the deal ("kill legacy desktop app compatibility or make it too unwieldly for day-to-day use") and die, or they can do something about it. Considering how bad Windows has been, making a competing OS based on tried-and-true Linux seems like a no-brainer move.

All Linux ever needed was one, big enough party to say "this is the Linux you should target your software development against". Steam is big enough for that.

Re:It won't work because MS is MS (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 9 months ago | (#45198795)

No, the GP is right. MS didn't have a "deal" with Valve. Valve simply did what many others did - used MS OS as platform for their store.

Now MS opened a store of their own, that isn't in direct competition with Valve YET but is clearly headed in that general direction, and Valve execs can read the writing on the wall. So their only option is to make themselves independent of MS platform and push their customers off it ASAP, preferably before MS's own store becomes acceptable for its customers.

Valve isn't new to this kind of bait and switch aimed at customers either. It pretty much forced original steam as "updating system for counter strike" back when it started steam for example. So this is basically two evil giants duking it out while customer will once again be the one bearing the brunt of the damage.

Re:It won't work because MS is MS (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 9 months ago | (#45199245)

it is direct competition right now... just not very competitive :).

Re:It won't work because MS is MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199413)

No, the GP is right. MS didn't have a "deal" with Valve.

MS has an implicit deal with all their developers. If you think otherwise then it's probably because you aren't a developer who writes software for Windows which renders your view irrelevant.

Re:It won't work because MS is MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198755)

Target the latest Direct X. Not hard. Valve wanted their own store because there's opportunity in curating.

Re:It won't work because MS is MS (1)

Half-pint HAL (718102) | about 9 months ago | (#45199685)

Target the latest Direct X. Not hard. Valve wanted their own store because there's opportunity in curating.

He wasn't talking about the Steam store -- he was talking about Steam OS.

I submitted this (0)

SmartAboutThings (1951032) | about 9 months ago | (#45198233)

unbelievable, I submitted this yesterday :|

Re:I submitted this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198937)

Maybe your submission was shit.

Horray! Metro Apps on XBoxOne! (4, Funny)

SeaFox (739806) | about 9 months ago | (#45198239)

It's all coming together.
The programs interfaces you don't want to use on the console you don't want to own!

Re:Horray! Metro Apps on XBoxOne! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198389)

Actually I think the simple and fast Modern UI apps might suit a console perfectly. :)

Re:Horray! Metro Apps on XBoxOne! (1)

whydavid (2593831) | about 9 months ago | (#45198459)

Except moving a cursor around with a controller sucks.

They could win me over, however, if they brought in the duck hunt gun as a tile selection method, made the live tiles move around the screen rapidly, and introduced "whammy" live tiles costing $1 every time they were hit. Getting to the game would be just as fun as playing it, especially if it's a crappy windows store game.

Re:Horray! Metro Apps on XBoxOne! (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 9 months ago | (#45198535)

I think the idea is that you would use Kinect as a pointer/gesture interface, seeing as every Xbox One comes with one. (Smartglass offers another alternative.)

Re:Horray! Metro Apps on XBoxOne! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198689)

Touch-UI based apps using a controller. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.

Re:Horray! Metro Apps on XBoxOne! (1)

Your.Master (1088569) | about 9 months ago | (#45198985)

There's a Kinect there. That seems to lend itself to touch based UI.

Re:Horray! Metro Apps on XBoxOne! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199527)

There's a Kinect there. That seems to lend itself to touch based UI.

Only when MS removes any and all spyware from Kinect will I ever consider using it.

Re: Horray! Metro Apps on XBoxOne! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199569)

For apps that implicitly support the kinect, sure. I can't see it working having automatic kinect to touch translation.

This is so exciting! (1)

whydavid (2593831) | about 9 months ago | (#45198417)

I can't wait to use all of my favorite apps with an input device they weren't intended for! This will be about one step up from text input on the Wii.

Re:This is so exciting! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199025)

I can't wait to use all of my favorite apps with an input device they weren't intended for!

You can already do this by running "Modern UI" apps on a desktop PC without a touch screen.

Windows 8 = What were they thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45198419)

I recently bought a laptop that came with Windows 8, so I reserved judgement until Windows 8.1 came out.

I upgraded to 8.1 yesterday, and yes it has a significantly better user experience than Windows 8, but it still has negative value for me because I do not want to ever see a Metro screen. I'm a developer, and that garbage just impedes my workflow. I have a trackpad, not a touch screen. I wish Microsoft would quit pretending that users can't tell the difference. It makes ALL the difference.

Dear Microsoft,
Give me free downgrade rights to Windows 7 from vanilla Windows 8 (i.e. not Pro), or lose me as a user (i.e. I won't ever pay the Microsoft tax again).

Re:Windows 8 = What were they thinking (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 9 months ago | (#45198803)

MS doesn't care. Take a look at massive destruction of windows that was windows 8. They genuinely appear to not care and believe that people like you are acceptable losses in their war for mobile space.

Re:Windows 8 = What were they thinking (3, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | about 9 months ago | (#45198843)

One of the things that MS has going for it in the minds of many is that it is an OS for getting work done. The Metro stuff really breaks that perception to pieces. I love when I'm in desktop mode and I go to slide the mouse across the screen with the track pad and that pulls up the charm bar with time and date - and what I want is now under it and I need to click around to make it go away.

Or when I go to close a window that's been maximized on the desktop and barely overshoot the little x at the top right and now it's covered by the charms bar...

Search is supposed to replace the start menu - and I am all for that but the search is so poorly implemented. My laptop isn't capable of upgrading to 8.1 so maybe this gets fixed but on 8 it's really bad. If I start typing the word 'pad' - Wordpad does not show up in my search results. Crazy.

Having updates in two places - stupid. And it appears that some updates in the app store wont run until updates in windows update are done. I had two apps pending forever. Then I went over to windows update and found 1 important update that it said would be automatically installed - but it wasn't. I had to kick it off myself. As soon as it finished, the app updates that had been pending finally kicked in and completed. One was the Kindle app which would not open until it did update. It took me 15 minutes or so to figure out the magical order to get it all to work.

I've been using 8 for 2 or 3 weeks now on a brand new Samsung I bought for my wife. There are some nice things and there are a lot of very broken things and all of them scream to me that no one actually used this on a laptop. I can't imagine how they could have and not noticed how painful so much of the UI is. Want to uninstall an app from the home screen? Right click then move the mouse all the way down to the bottom left of the screen - just not too far to the bottom left.

Want to search the store? Open the charms bar. Now you will be tempted to start typing in the search bar. Don't - it defaults to searching what is already installed on your machine. You need to look at the list on the right and scroll down to store, select that and now you can search the store. It is not built into the store - it isn't obvious in any way that this is what you need to do. When in the store it just feels like search isn't possible.

I hear 8.1 fixes the install mess where installing software fills the home page with tons of shortcuts. Since I can't upgrade to it, since Samsung can't be bothered to make their stuff work with it, I don't know but I'd sure love it. Installing MS office left me with multiple columns of junk on my home screen. And I don't know what algorythm drives placing tiles on that screen - but it is insane and constantly fights me. I can rarely get tiles organized just like I would prefer - stuff slips around and leaves unpleasant gaps.

I'm hoping it will improve down the road. I like having multiple players in the OS market. I run Linux for the most part myself but for a number of situations and people in my life I need windows. I really have never been a fan of Apple's approach so I try to be patient with MS.

Re:Windows 8 = What were they thinking (1)

Mike Frett (2811077) | about 9 months ago | (#45198877)

And what are you going to do when Win7 is no longer supported?. Eventually you are going to be forced into Metro/Modern or switch to a different OS. Unless Microsoft releases the Source Code for Windows, so we can all fix the bugs (not likely) you are stuck with forced upgrades, limited choice and lock-ins.

It's generally been my experience that Microsoft can do whatever it wants to it's customers and they will continue to accept this type of treatment. I left that illogical insanity October of 2012 and I'm never going back. I figured I didn't NEED to be a slave and moved on to Xubuntu, I only wish I did it years ago. It's surprising how far along WINE has come -- I have a closet full of Games and have no problem running any of them and have even been making reports for the WineDB for others to be informed.

Seems like all the complaints about Linux these days are either myths or the belief that Linux functions the same as it did in '98. I used it in the 90's and it wasn't good enough for me then, but as of my switch last year, it's finally ready. It really is the best time for switching if anybody wants to switch. From where I sit, a revolution is happening with the Linux OS being a usable replacement for Windows and Indie games giving us the originality that companies like EA can't. The future I see is made of Indies and Linux. In my humble, expert opinion.

Re:Windows 8 = What were they thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199585)

And what are you going to do when Win7 is no longer supported?

I'm not a windows fan myself (run Linux at home, required to use Windows for work), but Win7 does have security fix support until 2020. It's a fairly rational decision to stick with it for (say) 5 years until 2018 if you've already paid for it and it satisfies your requirements, and by then so much will have changed and the choices will be different; maybe there will be a rebooted 'business windows V10' or similar which turns out to be an acceptable sucessor to Win7, or maybe windows' relevance will have become minimal, who knows. either way, it's too soon to worry about Win7 end of support.

Cancel my preorder! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199211)

Decision made, it is now the PS4.

Academic question (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45199701)

It is not very likely that anyone will even buy an Xbox One.

Hmm... (1)

chrish (4714) | about 9 months ago | (#45199811)

Technically, my XBox 360, my BlackBerry Z10 and my son's Nintendo 3DS also run all of my favourite Windows 8 apps.

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