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Would-Be Tesla Owners Jump Through Hoops To Skirt Wacky Texas Rules

timothy posted 1 year,3 days | from the let's-at-least-have-open-range-for-cars-fellas dept.

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cartechboy writes "Texas is known for having the nation's most draconian anti-Tesla rules, based on intense and cash-rich lobbying and political donations by Texas car dealers. What's amazing is what would-be Tesla owners still have to do to get their hands on--and maintain--a Tesla Model S. How do you buy a car the laws try to stop you from owning? By jumping through wacky hoops, it turns out. Tesla store staff, for example, can't tell visitors how much a Model S costs. They can't give test drives, and they can't discuss financing options. Tesla service centers are banned from showing the company logo — or advertising that they do Tesla warranty work or service at all. So how have 1,000 Model S cars been sold? That would be sheer persistence."

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Red state (5, Insightful)

ugen (93902) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201835)

Oh, those individual-freedom-loving Texans.

Re:Red state (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45201857)

Blue states aren't any better, you can't get a large soda there.

Re:Red state (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45201937)

Buy two then you twat.

Re:Red state (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45201957)

True and false, respectively.

Wouldn't have hurt Diet Mtn Dew (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202081)

Bad example. If you're thinking of the New York City soft drink size limit, that would have applied to soft drinks with caloric sweeteners, not diet soft drinks. All that would have meant is that restaurants would start carrying a larger selection of diet sodas, not just the diet version of the cola. I miss fountain Diet Mtn Dew.

Re:Wouldn't have hurt Diet Mtn Dew (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202245)

Where did he even specify "diet soft drinks"? You are making up crap he didn't even say and then arguing he's wrong.

Re:Wouldn't have hurt Diet Mtn Dew (5, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202277)

Bad example. If you're thinking of the New York City soft drink size limit, that would have applied to soft drinks with caloric sweeteners, not diet soft drinks.

Indeed; if OP really wanted to point out an example of how New York State can be just as draconian and anti-freedom as the Texas example above, he'd have been better off to cite the 4 NY Senators [thetechherald.com] who, back in 2011, insisted that the First Amendment be relegated from a right to a privilege.

Re:Red state (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202133)

Yes, you can. The courts shot that down.

Re:Red state (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45201895)

Freedom is a code word for do what WE want you to do. I also love how all the Teapublicans claim that by holding the operation of the government ransom for the ACA, they claim they are just "listening to the people." What a crock of BS. I don't know anyone who thinks shutting down the entire federal government is worth getting rid of a single piece of legislation that was legally passed.

Re:Red state (-1, Troll)

diamondmagic (877411) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201991)

Rest assured there's plenty of people who oppose automobile protectionism for the same reason they oppose Obamacare.

Corporatism sees no political party lines.

(And I hate to break it to you, but it's Senate Democrats who voted down the budget for two weeks.)

Re:Red state (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202093)

They voted down the bills submitted by the house because they had their crazy teabagger anti healthcare bullshit lumped into them. They wouldn't pass a clean bill so the senate shut them down. They still didn't pass a clean bill, just one with the right perks to make everyone happy.

Re:Red state (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202263)

uh-huh...and a budget? Senate Democrats again; specifically Reid.
You libs are funny twisting yourselves in knots trying to protect your party. Party first, Country second is your screed.

Re:Red state (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202199)

but it's Senate Democrats who voted down the budget for two weeks

Yes, by not agreeing to pass whatever the republican wanted, exactly how they wanted it. Im a pretty moderate guy, i fall somewhere in the middle, at this point though im probably a communist to them, i know for a fact that im not a real american, they told me so, they told me they speak for Americans, real Americans, and so by default if i don't agree with there positions or tactics then i must not be a real american. That's what every. single. one. have said at one point or another.

And while its true that Corporatism sees no political party lines its clear that you do. Since its clear that you thinks its the democrats fault for not accepting the republican budget.

Re:Red state (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202355)

That is a great example of the No True Scotsman Fallacy [wikipedia.org] , of which the Tea Party makes great use.

Re:Red state (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202031)

I don't know anyone who thinks shutting down the entire federal government is worth getting rid of a single piece of legislation that was legally passed.

I do. There is plenty to get rid of. Maobamacare, TVA, etc. And stop teasing me with "shutdowns" that just mean more cops and nothing really shut down.

Re:Red state (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202047)

The Ironic thing is, a considerable amount of Republicans had to vote for it to pass it in the House. I wonder how many of those Republicans supported a shutdown as well..

Re:Red state (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202101)

How about laws that were "deemed" passed, and the passed on a party-line vote using budget reconciliation rules to prevent changes or filibusters ?

Just askin'. . .

Re:Red state (4, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201951)

I'd love to see the Tesla sales numbers from Austin vs the rest of the state. Austin residents have long been at odds w/the rest of the state and their politics and as such I have a feeling we'd see a pretty high correlation with Austin vs Tesla ownership when compared w/the rest of the state.

Re:Red state (3, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202145)

You think any Texans except the oil companies actually want this Tesla sales ban?

This isn't Austin vs. the rest of the state, this is oil companies vs the rest of the state.

Re:Red state (5, Insightful)

intermodal (534361) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202397)

This one's about the car dealerships, not the oil companies. General Motors has been one of the key electric car pushers, but their dealers were far from hands-off on this one.

For the oil companies, sticking it to Tesla is just a fringe benefit.

Re:Red state (3, Interesting)

sycodon (149926) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202301)

"I'd love to see the Tesla sales numbers from big cities vs the rest of the state."

Fixed.

In all those itty bitty northeastern states, where you can spit from one state to another, having charging stations plentiful enough is easy. But in Texas, once you get out of the big cities, even for gas you need to at least think a bit ahead.

Re:Red state (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45201959)

Oilmen. That is all.

"libertarians" against fair competition (5, Informative)

globaljustin (574257) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201961)

the GOP in Texas is a criminal organization like the mafia....Tesla wouldn't pay the 'protection' fee...

any equivocation belies ignorance...if you are a "libertarian" you must criticize this and oppose the Republicans who did it

from TFA:

The current iron-clad Texas franchise law is the result of years of lobbying by the powerful and well-connected Texas Auto Dealers Association (TADA), founded and run for 30 years by legendary Texas lobbyist Gene Fondren.

In 2012, dealership interests "invested" more than $2.5 million in the Texas legislative elections, according to the the watchdog group Texans For Public Justice. Sixty percent of Texas lawmakers received checks from TADA in 2012.Two elderly billionaire car dealers, Tom Friedkin and Red McCombs--the latter is also chairman of the former Blackwater security firm--kicked in more than a million dollars between them.

Re:"libertarians" against fair competition (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202323)

I'd just sell the cars anyhow - these laws can't be constitutional.

Re:Red state (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45201987)

Oh, those individual-freedom-loving Texans.

What is amazing is the people who love regulation so much just hate this. You know, the ones who want everybody to be forced to drive an electric skateboard, or have no choice besides a bus or a bile. This is what giving regulatory power to your government brings you.

Re:Red state (5, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202071)

This is what giving regulatory power to your government brings you.

I thought this was what bringing regulatory power to your local businessmen brings you...

Re:Red state (1)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202209)

What is amazing is the people who love regulation so much just hate this. You know, the ones who want everybody to be forced to drive an electric skateboard, or have no choice besides a bus or a bile. This is what giving regulatory power to your government brings you.

Well, I'm sure your choice would be the bile, from the tone of your post.

Seriously, who wants regulation for its own sake? There's usually some other goal in mind, and regulations are seen as a means for achieving it.

(Also, buses are okay for feeder routes, and if you have to have any sort of automobile, an electric is often going to be the best option. But electrified rail is the best motorized transportation out there AFAIK)

Re:Red state (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202233)

Apparently this was up modded for its sweet 180 degree spin skillz.

Re:Red state (4, Interesting)

iserlohn (49556) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202259)

Regulations that protect the public from profiteering corporations == good.

Regulations that protect profiteering corporations from competition to maintain profits == bad.

Seems easy enough to understand. The problem is not regulations, but what it achieves (and how it does it). Spend too much time thinking about the means and you'll lose sight of the ends.

Re:Red state (5, Insightful)

jythie (914043) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202027)

Well, these dealers have more money, so they get more freedom. Texas freedom generally is not about individual for the masses, but about not keeping the power of the powerful in check.

Re:Red state (3, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202305)

Well, these dealers have more money, so they get more freedom.

Oh, so in other words, exactly the same as every other state government in the nation, as well as the national government itself.

Re:Red state (2)

jythie (914043) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202399)

Pretty much, though the balance between 'more freedom for the powerful to exercise their freedom on others' and 'protect the weak from the powerfull's freedom' varies from state to state. For better or worse, a big part of Texas's ethics revolve around the idea that the best way for people to accumulate wealth is to not protect them, thus encouraging them to get stronger. Thus anyone who does not get one of those coveted higher slots are simply personal failures, which reenforces the idea of the rights of the powerful since not only did they 'earn' it, but the people who did not are inferior in one way or another, otherwise they would be powerful too.

The White Plague (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202155)

Somebody really needs to figure out a fatal virus that kills hypocrites.

Re:Red state (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202159)

Oh, those individual-freedom-loving Texans.

More like bible-thumping-batshit crazy Texans.
Antiscience
Antiprogress
Antihealth
Antigovernemt
Anti-anything.

You're Anti, you're a Texan alright.
Texas : the integralist cesspool of a decaying empire.

Holy Fucking Shit (0)

sycodon (149926) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202213)

Can't you pin heads get it through your thick skulls that there is no law in Texas that says Tesla can't sell cars here. They just have to do it like everyone else. Sure, Tesla tried to be exempted and THAT failed, but Texas law doesn't give a rats ass about Tesla or any other particular car dealer. They are all the same...as it should be.

If you the dealership laws changed, change them for everyone.

Re:Holy Fucking Shit (1)

Russ1642 (1087959) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202241)

The point is that there shouldn't be any laws about having to have independent car dealerships.

Re:Red state (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202223)

They just need to have a dealership in the state. Applies to everyone - not just Tesla.
I can see good and bad things about this but this is a minor issue compared what is going on here in California.
These people are just insanely in love with all kinds of regulations.

tesla? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45201863)

is it good or is it whack?

--- Is it more surprising that kuro5hin is finallu dead or that it was still alive?

Re:tesla? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202149)

There's a bloke from around my hood who rejects everything to do with science, he just sits at home, smokes his own home grown, and check this, he don't have a telly.

Saw one for the first time. (0)

ls671 (1122017) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201869)

I saw a Tesla Model S driving on the street for the first time a couple days ago. It was in heavy traffic so I managed to follow it for a while with my bike.

That car looks pretty cool and sounds (no sound?) cool too. The guy finally turned at a side street and pushed the pedal a bit. This thing sure seems to have torque.

Cool stuff.

Re:Saw one for the first time. (1)

mc6809e (214243) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201913)

That car looks pretty cool and sounds (no sound?) cool too. The guy finally turned at a side street and pushed the pedal a bit. This thing sure seems to have torque.

That's the great thing about electric motors: max torque is at zero Km/h.

Re:Saw one for the first time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45201953)

That's the great thing about electric motors: max torque is at zero Km/h.

Then drops off like a cliff so it has no top end.

Re:Saw one for the first time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202197)

So, like any engine.

Petrol engines' torque drops like a stone when you go high enough.

And how high is dependent on the engine, for both petrol and electric.

Re:Saw one for the first time. (0)

mythosaz (572040) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202335)

Pretty much matches the Camero at higher speeds, and crushes it at lower speeds.

So, you know, you're spouting bullshit.

http://i.imgur.com/1vkYB.jpg [imgur.com]

Might not have the effect they want (2)

codepigeon (1202896) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201871)

In my armchair opinion, it seems like when you make something scarse and hard to get, people want it more (especially with the wealthy looking for status symbols). This might be good for Tesla sales.

Re:Might not have the effect they want (1)

khellendros1984 (792761) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202115)

This might be good for Tesla sales.

The car's "status symbol" status will be better for sales than if it weren't a status symbol, but I think that the difficulty in acquiring and maintaining one more than balances that out. I'm positive that they'd have stronger sales if buying one weren't such a pain in the ass.

Republicans love the free market! (2)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201875)

Oh wait... that would mean... err... *head explodes*

Relevant link: http://www.rootstrikers.org/ [rootstrikers.org]

Texas means oil (5, Insightful)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201877)

Is that how free market is supposed to work? Corrupted government?

Re:Texas means oil (4, Insightful)

berashith (222128) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202077)

ya. It is really cute when the article flat out states that things wont change for Tesla until they buy more politicians. Sensibility, reasonableness, will of the people... all of these and more get left out in the cold until you pony up the big bucks.

Re:Texas means oil (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202351)

ya. It is really cute when the article flat out states that things wont change for Tesla until they buy more politicians.

OK, so just sell off a couple of the CA politicians already in the stable, and use the money from that to purchase a TX Senator or two.

Re:Texas means oil (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202325)

To get around Texas big oil campaign contributions (pay-offs) which help make the rules, Tesla should make a Texas version. The Texas version would have a 5 quart oil holding tank which could only be filled by existing car dealers. At the next service appointment, the unused and still new oil would then be drained and given back to big oil to be put back into oil cans and resold to dealers who then bill the Tesler owner for an oil change. Stupid but money changes hands and the crooks are happy.

Re:Texas means oil (2)

cusco (717999) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202353)

Absolutely. Adam Smith was adamant about the necessity of regulating business and preventing collusion among businessmen, but you'd never know it from the fulminations of the Libertardians. They pick and choose those sections of his work that they approve of and pretend the rest doesn't exist, rather like Christians who ignore Leviticus.

They sure do love "Big Gubmint" when it suits them (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45201883)

Tell me again how Texas is all about a free-market economy and getting rid of government intrusion?

You can't have it. (4, Funny)

stewsters (1406737) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201891)

We aren't letting you have this car. Doesn't that make you want it more?

A Violation of the Sherman Act? (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201899)

When is a good Texan going to stand up a say, "Shit Howdy, come on in"? It looks like Texas is not as big a state as I remeber?

Or the Interstate Commerce Clause? (2)

mrchaotica (681592) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202085)

What gives Texas the authority to prevent any manufacturer -- of cars or otherwise -- from selling their products in the state? Couldn't this be construed as an illegal restraint of trade against the State of California?

Re:Or the Interstate Commerce Clause? (2)

mythosaz (572040) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202375)

Ostensibly, this is to prevent monopolies.

It's why Sony and MGM don't have theaters in Texas, but instead have to lease their films to movie houses. Sorry, you can only see the Disney movie at the Disney theater, at Disney prices.

In reality, it's to make sure that a middle-man gets a juicy cut of the sales.

Streisand effect? (1)

Cyfun (667564) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201905)

Seems to me Texas's efforts to hinder Tesla's sales only draws more attention to the brand. If they really wanted to hurt Tesla's sales, they'd buy a fleet of them for government vehicles, then constantly show them stalled along their highways due to Teslas' lack of range and the fact that their highways are some of the longest and loneliest stretches in the country.

Mini-Streisand effect... (4, Insightful)

mlts (1038732) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201909)

I live about 2-3 miles from the Tesla service depot in Austin. One thing that seems to sell the vehicles is the fact that they are "so good, they had to be banned." Even with all the hoops one has to jump through, if one wants a runabout vehicle, a Tesla is hard to beat (assuming one can afford the ticket to entry.)

So, the prohibition on Tesla vehicles in Texas just makes people seem to want them more. Especially with the fact that in Austin, charging stations are popping up in odd but useful places, such as credit union parking lots.

1000 new medals please (5, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201925)

So how have 1,000 Model S cars been sold? That would be sheer persistence.

Can I buy one just to drive it through the doors of their capitol and park it on top of the assholes who passed all these laws while screaming "ASSHOLES ARE BIGGER IN TEXAS TOO!" I know I'd probably be riddled full of bullets and called a terrorist, but for those 30 glorious seconds, I think I would be a working class hero. :(

In other news; We should start putting warning labels on everything that comes from Texas, including the people: "Warning: This product is known to cause stupidity in every other state but Texas." (with a tip of the hat to another state, whose stupidity created similarily named labels). And now, moderators who live in those two states... fire up the 'overrated' and 'troll' buttons, and I apologize I kept you waiting so long. :P

Re:1000 new medals please (1)

RKThoadan (89437) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201969)

I think you have a great idea for a T-Shirt or Bumper Sticker there.

Re:1000 new medals please (1)

wulfhere (94308) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202175)

Perhaps with a picture of the goatse.cx guy on the front.

Re:1000 new medals please (4, Funny)

SJHillman (1966756) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202007)

Warning: The State of Texas is known to the State of Californian to contain regular unleaded.

Re:1000 new medals please (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202157)

Can I buy one just to drive it through the doors of their capitol and park it on top of the assholes who passed all these laws while screaming "ASSHOLES ARE BIGGER IN TEXAS TOO!" I know I'd probably be riddled full of bullets and called a terrorist

Yeah, really, what's with people these days? Can't even murder civilians for political purposes without getting labeled a terrorist.

but for those 30 glorious seconds, I think I would be a working class hero. :(

Because any plan whose first step is "buy a $70,000 luxury car" is sure to turn out that way.

And now, moderators who live in those two states... fire up the 'overrated' and 'troll' buttons, and I apologize I kept you waiting so long. :P

What you should apologize for is lying in an attempt to avoid downmods that you know you deserve.

Re:1000 new medals please (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202329)

And now, moderators who live in those two states... fire up the 'overrated' and 'troll' buttons

Naw, I rated this up.
The only people you'll find that hate Texas more than people looking from the outside in, are those that actually live in it and retain any amount of sanity.
This place is full of balls to the wall retarded people, but unfortunately there's work here, so I grit my teeth and bear it.

It's exactly why they are getting them... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45201931)

Because they are being told they CAN'T EASILY HAVE THEM.

MYOB (1)

whizbang77045 (1342005) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201947)

How we chose to run our state is our business. Period. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

Re:MYOB (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202131)

Fuck Texas and fuck you too.

Re:MYOB (4, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202261)

How we chose to run our state is our business. Period. If you don't like it, go start an oil company and run our state for us.

FTFY.

Re:MYOB (1)

ourcraft (874165) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202269)

I can only assume this is snark, bait.

Re:MYOB (1)

Borg453b (746808) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202391)

Translation: "-Our- business cannot handle -your- business without "special treatment"" ;)

Protectionism. Lets see how that works out for you in the long run.

So how have 1,000 Model S cars been sold? (1)

geekoid (135745) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201955)

The Internet? Going to another state?
Really it's an expensive car. You could fly to Ca. order it and have it delivered.

Just a guess.

Republican party (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | 1 year,3 days | (#45201963)

This is what you get from the Republican party's pro-business, minimal government policies... pro-entrenched business that is.

Re:Republican party (1)

SteveDorries (1313401) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202169)

Explain how this is minimal government please.

how is a "Tesla store" not a dealership? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45201965)

Seems to me like they have a dealership... I thought you could just order online?

Re:how is a "Tesla store" not a dealership? (3, Insightful)

TheHappyMailAdmin (913609) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202045)

Dealerships are car retailers, they purchase the car form the manufacturer and resell to you. Tesla is eliminating the middleman and operating it's own stores, so purchasing a Tesla is always direct from the manufacturer purchase.

Re:how is a "Tesla store" not a dealership? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202095)

ok, that clarification helps. It seems to me that they still operate with a middleman, though, they just wholly own the middleman...

Re:how is a "Tesla store" not a dealership? (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202171)

That's a company store. A dealership is an "independent" third party that also takes a cut of the sale. I don't know how they rationalize requiring car manufacturers to sell through a dealer. If it continues to happen, it will become a big election issue because the model S is one of the most highly reviewed cars and they're trying to stop Texans from buying them.

Oh, america (2)

lesincompetent (2836253) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202011)

... the country that legalized bribery.

Legislature (1)

InsaneMosquito (1067380) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202015)

"The Texas legislature adjourned in June, and it will not reconvene until 2015." Buwah?!

Tesla store staff can't tell visitors cost... (1)

zugedneb (601299) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202033)

"Tesla store staff, for example, can't tell visitors how much a Model S costs."

How is this related to free speech laws?

"Tesla store staff, for example, can't tell visitors how much a Model S costs."

Can they not make private club, with no fee to join? As club member one should be able to use the equipment needed for club activities...

Buying a Tesla S (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202039)

- Hey man, what's the deal?
- We have a little bit of everything... weed, meth, heroin... what do ya want?
- What about a Tesla S?
- Shhhhhh! Don't speak so loudly... come with me...

IDIOTS (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202049)

Everybody pay close attention.

Texas lawmakers CAN'T stop you from showing a logo, or telling a price, etc. etc, because it all falls under the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

If they try, and threaten you in any way, first you should ignore them, second is threaten civil and criminal charges in return, and third, follow through with it.

Re:IDIOTS (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202139)

You do realize that execution is a hobby in Texas, don't you?

Re:IDIOTS (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202217)

They can't inhibit speech protected by the first amendment, however they CAN legislate trade and commerce. For example, we already have laws that prohibit false advertising without first amendment issues. If the companies display the logo, they will be fined under the law.

Re:IDIOTS (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202313)

Commerce is not Speech.

why can't tesla set up dealerships? (1, Interesting)

alen (225700) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202135)

lots of new automakers set up dealerships in the USA in the last 30 years?

its a $80,000 car, not a blu ray player. this is something you want to buy in person

Re:why can't tesla set up dealerships? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202285)

They already have a corporate presence in TX that could do it, too... they set up a subsidiary according to TFA, so why not just have the subsidiary get franchised and play by the same rules as everyone else?

This isn't about anything other than Elon Musk believing that the rules should not apply to him. Tesla should have to follow the same rules as every other car dealer in the State.

Re:why can't tesla set up dealerships? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202377)

No. Lots of independent dealers started selling cars that are new to the market. There are a couple of exceptions, but as a rule, auto manufacturers are prohibited by law from owning dealerships in the US. They must use an independent 3rd-party retailer to sell to the public.

Tesla is TRYING to set up dealerships and is being thwarted by insane regulation.

Re:why can't tesla set up dealerships? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202401)

Tesla is refusing to set up dealerships, they want their own company store.

I believe Ford used to do the same thing, but back in the day (15 years ago) people didn't like the manufacturer owning the sales channels for cars so THE PEOPLE asked Texas to outlaw Ford from owning the dealerships. It was to prevent Ford from destroying all the small business dealerships in the state and taking all the profits to Detroit. Ford could cut prices to put dealerships out of business.

All the other people posting that business asked for this law are ignorant idiots.

[Citation Found] [internetlibrary.com]

Re:why can't tesla set up dealerships? (2)

Kingkaid (2751527) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202409)

Dealerships are "arms-length" from the car maker (in theory). This prevents them from price fixing and encourages competition (in theory). Tesla wants to run these themselves rather than put a 3rd party in the middle. I've been to a Tesla store and it was amazing, stupid protectionist laws.

a mockery of the USA (4, Insightful)

schlachter (862210) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202181)

this kind of criminal behavior from our gov makes us look like fools.
how can we bomb the shit out of people around the world to bring them freedom when we don't even have it at home?

Article is total bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202187)

"Dealers Only

Texas law dictates that only franchised dealers can sell cars in the state."

That is 100% unmitigated bullshit. There are thousands and thousands of independent, non-franchised car dealers in TX.

Re:Article is total bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202319)

same thing in NY State. last time i bought a car i visited a few independent dealers

elon musk is insisting on doing things his own way and hyping it on the internet.

NOLA (1)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202235)

I'm pretty sure they sell these things in New Orleans and Santa Fe. I realize that it is a hassle to buy a car in one state and re-license it in another, but I have done it myself. It's not too hard.

They aren't jumping through hoops... (3, Funny)

ruiner13 (527499) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202295)

They are jumping through coils. Tesla coils...

Tesla's in Texas (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202303)

I like Texas, but they have some of the worst legislature and blue laws in the nation. Two taht come to mind frmo my days living in San Antonio:

Burger King came into San Antonio back in the early 80's, but there was already a burger chain in San Antonio called Whopper Burger which was locally owned. During the ensuing 2 year legal battle by BK, they had stores but they had no signs. It looked like a BK, but it couldn't say Burger King anywhere because the local chains big burger was called the King Whopper. You'd go to the unmarked BK drive through and order a Whopper and they would say "sir, we don't have them, we call them a Deluxe"! THey even had to wrap it in clear plactic because the BK wrapper had Whopper or Bruger or King onit! Talk about stupid. BK finally won and bought out the other chain.

Then there were the blue laws, where you could go to the store on Sunday but not buy certain things. You could by a hammer at Home Depot, but you couldn't buy the nails on Sunday. Batteries! You could buy a battery opreated device, but not the batteries, on Sunday. My car died and I needed to buy a new battery but could not becasue it was sunday, I hade to jump start or leave it running until midnight, then go to the 24 autoparts place and get one at 12:01 in th morning! You could buy baby formula, but not diapers. Insane! The would even rope of the sections in the stores with hanners that read "never on a Sunday". I once picked up a small package of nails at a 7=11 and the cleark told me taht he could sell them to me and if I persitied he would have to call the cops, but you could buy beer!

How did Saturn do it? (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | 1 year,3 days | (#45202343)

Wasn't Saturn a direct-sales manufacturer before the failure and GM buyout? How did they sell cars in Texas, or did they?

US Government... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#45202381)

...of the rich and powerful, by the rich and powerful, for the rich and powerful.

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