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Nokia Introduces Windows Tablet

Soulskill posted about 6 months ago | from the also-ran dept.

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jones_supa sends this news from The Verge: "Rumored for a long time, Nokia's Windows tablet has finally been released. Microsoft might be buying Nokia's device business, but for the next few months they're going to be battling it out as competitors for Windows-based tablet market share. The new Lumia 2520 tablet is everything you'd expect from Nokia; it comes with a very bright and colorful full HD 10.1" display and it looks just like a supersized version of a Lumia series Windows Phone. Other Nokia signatures are a high-quality camera and maps which work reliably offline too. Inside there's a 2.2GHz quad-core Snapdragon 800 processor, and the word is that Windows RT 8.1 runs great. It's responsive and multitasking apps seems just as good as the Surface 2. Because this is Windows RT you also get access to the desktop Office apps as part of this device. At that point the real Surface-like keyboard and trackpad become useful, alongside two USB ports. Estimated battery life is of 11 hours, which is increased when the cover is attached."

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Anti-Windows posts (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45206961)

Cue the "I hate Windows 8", "I want my Start menu although I claim to prefer the command line", and "Everything Microsoft is by definition bad" crybabies in 3... 2... 1...

Re:Anti-Windows posts (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207007)

Not Windows 8, Windows RT. Couldn't care less about if there is a start button, I care that it is a walled garden which removes all choice.

Re:Anti-Windows posts (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207377)

AC 1: I hate that it's Windows 8!
AC 2: I hate that it's a walled garden!
AC 1: Windows 8!!
AC 2: Walled garden!!
AC 1: Windows!!!
AC 2: Walls!!!

There, there kids. You both can be right.

Re:Anti-Windows posts (2)

OakDragon (885217) | about 6 months ago | (#45211663)

The Start Button is now old enough to vote. It would be ashamed to kill it off before it can buy its own beer!

Re:Anti-Windows posts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207691)

I don't hate it but I still would never use a Winders tablet.

Re:Anti-Windows posts (4, Interesting)

wmac1 (2478314) | about 6 months ago | (#45209043)

Vote positive (to even slightly pro-MS posts) and you will no more receive voting points. I have huge amount of positive karma (tens of +5 posts) but after I voted a few of these up, I receive no more voting points.

Btw. I have never worked for any American company or organization (let alone MS). I have been using Linux since 15 years ago on servers but windows on most workstations. I have developed mostly for *nix, Java and at the same time C++ for Windows.

So don't assume the votes on /. really show the opinions of all readers. /. gives the up vote points to those it likes.

Re:Anti-Windows posts (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45209893)

Vote positive (to even slightly pro-MS posts) and you will no more receive voting points.

I think you're wrong.

I routinely moderate pro (and anti)-MS posts up if I believe they are of interest, andI continue to receive mod points reasonably frequently.

What I will NOT moderate up, and will correct in metamod, is the very frequent MS product endorsements that do not contribute to the discussion. If you've been wasting your mod points on those, then I'm not surprised you don't get more.

I have huge amount of positive karma (tens of +5 posts)

That's so cute. You can play on my lawn as long as you like, little fella.

Re:Anti-Windows posts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45213333)

Strong conclusion drawn after dubious sample size of 1. Yeah.

Nokia have always been a leader in mobile devices. (-1)

bejiitas_wrath (825021) | about 6 months ago | (#45206965)

It is time that they abandoned the old Symbian OS and enbraced something else; but I wonder if they will ever create a good Linux phone like the Ubuntu Edge. Now that is a device that is made for the desktop as well as mobile. But I have a Nokia 520 and I love it. The battery life could be better though. When are we going to get more advanced batteries?

Re:Nokia have always been a leader in mobile devic (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207041)

Do you not know that the Nokia mobile division is being purchased by Microsoft? The answer to your wonder is most definitely "never" at this point.

Re:Nokia have always been a leader in mobile devic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207411)

ubuntu phone is basicly just android with an ubuntu skin.

Re:Nokia have always been a leader in mobile devic (1)

dimeglio (456244) | about 6 months ago | (#45208901)

I thought Android was GNU/Linux with a Google skin.

Re:Nokia have always been a leader in mobile devic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45210435)

No, it's Linux with an AOSP skin. There is no GNU in Android, nor should there be.

Re:Nokia have always been a leader in mobile devic (1)

wjcofkc (964165) | about 6 months ago | (#45207581)

Rumor has it that as soon as Microsoft completes it acquisition of Nokia's mobile division they will be coming out with an Ubuntu Edge phone. Batteries? Not needed, it will simply convert ambient zero point energy into electricity using a quantum black hole.

Re:Nokia have always been a leader in mobile devic (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 6 months ago | (#45209415)

just buy a real nokia.

and where have you been living, under a rock? they made N9 - essentially _the_ linux phone. then MS started it's hostile, illegally executed(not informing shareholders), takeover.

Re:Nokia have always been a leader in mobile devic (1)

fatphil (181876) | about 6 months ago | (#45210459)

Nokia was in bed with MS in the early days of the N9.

The N9 is a painfully locked-down system, not a proper linux computer. Sure, they'll let you have have a root shell if you beg for it and pledge your first-born to them, but even when you've got it, you can't run "dmesg", as you don't have the POSIX capabilities necessary for that. Why's your WiFi flakey? We won't let you see the kernel log messages to find out - screw you!

There is a connection between those 2 paragraphs I'd love to explain, but I'm alas under NDA.

Failure. (-1, Troll)

grub (11606) | about 6 months ago | (#45206973)


iPad is the one to beat, this does not do it.

iPad already beaten (2)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 6 months ago | (#45207115)

iPad is the one to beat, this does not do it.

Do you not keep up with current events. the iPad is the looser tablet. Its market share has plummeted from 60% of sales last year to 32% http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413 [idc.com] . Ironically Microsoft could have been in this position if...well lots of ifs really... not trying to be Apple would have been one of them. Perhaps you should Google sometime...you can get it even on the iPad ;)

Re:iPad already beaten (1)

Doug Otto (2821601) | about 6 months ago | (#45207191)

But yet the ipad makes up more than 80% of online tablet traffic.
Hmm

Dubious Metrics (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 6 months ago | (#45207315)

But yet the ipad makes up more than 80% of online tablet traffic.
Hmm

Sales in China of the iPhone are 1%...one analytics's company places the iPhone at 20%; everybody laughed . You need to back up your figures say when they have been taken...the iPad plummeted in a year, and show how the information was collected.

Again through that does not equate to sales, its a interesting topic. Linux is 100% Market share ;) (in my house)

Re: Dubious Metrics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207333)

"1% china share. "

You need to back up your numbers.

Backed up...every time (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 6 months ago | (#45207423)

"1% china share. "

You need to back up your numbers.

http://www.counterpointresearch.com/9-out-of-10-handsets-sold-in-china-are-smartphones [counterpointresearch.com] "15% Samsung, 11% Lenovo, 11% Coolpad (Yulong), 7% ZTE, 6% Huawei, 3% Nokia and 1% Apple. 45% of China's market is split by the approx 1,000 local domestic brands that almost all do Android."

As I said Kantars numbers put Apple at 21% but then they only measure 'Úrban China'...this is not the first time Kantar Numbers have been lets say surprising ;)

Tomi does a good writeup of marketshare movements, and includes information from the 4 main market research groups in this area. I mainly use IDC because they show trends in nice graphs,but there is rarely anything between them.

See chinese wage spreads. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207427)

I'm pretty sure none of the factory line-workers can afford an iPhone just based on the release schedule compared to their maximal salary savings.

Re:See chinese wage spreads. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45210033)

I'm pretty sure none of the factory line-workers can afford an iPhone

Samsung's sales successes suggest otherwise.

They have 20% of the smartphone market, and their most popular model is the Galaxy S4. In fact, they'd both do well to keep an eye on Xiaomi who sold the most popular phone overall (MI 2), and have a game-changing Hongmi phone just on the market.

Interestingly though, the Note 2 is most popular elsewhere in Asia.

Re: Dubious Metrics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207739)

"1% china share. "

You need to back up your numbers.

See here [bloomberg.com] .

Satisfied, douche?

Re:iPad already beaten (2)

mcl630 (1839996) | about 6 months ago | (#45207339)

Because ipad dominated the market for a couple years, Apple likely still has a very large share of total tablets still in use.

But they aren't dominating sales anymore, which was tuppe's point. This Nokia tablet has to compete with Android tablets, other Windows RT tablets, as well as iPad. There really isn't "the one to beat" (using OP's words) anymore.

Re:iPad already beaten (1)

dimeglio (456244) | about 6 months ago | (#45208923)

There is a market for each tablet provided they distinguish themselves from others. Apple doesn't have that problem as it's the only tablet that run iOS. If you love iOS, well you're getting an iPad. Android tablets have more of a problem. This RT based Nokia tablet has to beat Microsoft's tablet, the only one out there and perhaps all other Android tablets in features people actually care about. Since it's new, I expect it will but now that MS bought Nokia, what's really the future of this tablet?

Re:iPad already beaten (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207597)

That's because many Android tablets (especially the cheapo ones) have their browsers set to use the iPad's UA string. (this way they ensure they get the 'tablety' version of a given website)

Re: iPad already beaten (2)

grub (11606) | about 6 months ago | (#45207297)

I want a tighter tablet, not a looser one. Perhaps I should reconsider.

Re: iPad already beaten (2)

John Nemesh (3244653) | about 6 months ago | (#45207323)

Ahem...it should read "Trolling is AN art"!

Re: iPad already beaten (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207375)

Ta da!

Re: iPad already beaten (2)

mcgrew (92797) | about 6 months ago | (#45207743)

That may be a troll at reddit, but this is slashdot. We laugh at ignorance. He'll be +5 in no time, and if I were moderating he'd get a + from me. I'd have posted the same comment if he hadn't.

I did stumble when reading the OP. "Looser? Huh?" until I remembered how many aliterates spell "lose" with two Os. It's annoying. And no, that isn't a misspelling of "illiterate".

No big deal - just one wrong word (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#45210171)

Just one case of the wrong word - instead of "looser tablet" it should read "looser suppository".
Oh wait - that's the Surface RT and not the iPad.

Re:iPad already beaten (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207353)

You forgot to describe Apple as 'beleaguered.'

Re:iPad already beaten (0)

imidan (559239) | about 6 months ago | (#45207395)

Do you not keep up with current events. the iPad is the looser tablet. Its market share has plummeted from 60% of sales last year to 32%

According to your link, iPad's sales of 32.4% of tablets last quarter represents sales of 1.8 times as many tablets as Samsung, which is the only other company that has double-digit sales. So Apple is outselling the next-best-selling tablet by almost 2 to 1, and the next one after that by more than 7 to 1. The tablet market is fragmenting, and I expect that we will continue to see strong competition from Android tablets, particularly from Samsung, but from these numbers, for now, iPad is still the tablet to beat.

Re:iPad already beaten (1, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | about 6 months ago | (#45207795)

Dude, it's a Microsoft phone running the second most reviled OS (Second to Unity) there is, the OS with no market share at all. Windows 8 killed Nokia the company, Microsoft owns it now.

If Nokia had gone with Android rather than Windows years earlier they may have stayed solvent.

This phone won't dominate anything. The iPad is the one to beat? This won't beat the Android with the lowest sales, let alone the iPad.

Re:iPad already beaten (1)

imidan (559239) | about 6 months ago | (#45207943)

This won't beat the Android with the lowest sales, let alone the iPad.

Well, yes. I agree with you. But I was attempting to refute the GPP's assertion that the iPad is the 'looser' tablet.

I own an iPad, which I bought before Android tablets were really a thing. If I were to go out and buy a new tablet, it would likely be an Android (probably Galaxy, but I haven't researched them in a while). I prefer the openness and don't feel the need for the Apple walled garden. The point is, I'm not an Apple fanboy. I'm just using the data that were given to refute a claim that I don't believe they justify.

Re:iPad already beaten (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45209529)

Nokia could have never gone with Android and remained solvent. Taken from the ars article on Google's Android restrictions - Nokia would have had to dump Music, Drive, Here, etc to join the Google world. How do you explain that to the board? "I have this great new plan for saving the company. Let's build an Android phone. It'll require that we turn off our Music service, and dump our mapping service, and compete with a bunch of Chinese OEMs who can survive on razor thin profit margins. And it won't do anything for our free cash flow." Perhaps had their dev groups gotten their heads out of their asses and released a usable Meego phone 9~12 months earlier, but that's what happens when your core technology is beholden to the FOSS movement. Time to market goes to shit.

Re:iPad already beaten (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#45210191)

They were still solvent even after deliberate wrecking to being the purchase price down.

Re:iPad already beaten (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207515)

iPad is the one to beat, this does not do it.

Do you not keep up with current events. the iPad is the looser tablet. Its market share has plummeted from 60% of sales last year to 32% http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413 [idc.com] . Ironically Microsoft could have been in this position if...well lots of ifs really... not trying to be Apple would have been one of them. Perhaps you should Google sometime...you can get it even on the iPad ;)

You really think anybody cares about that overflow of cheap Chinese Android tablets. Get a clue.

Irony is not lost on me (1, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 6 months ago | (#45207625)

You really think anybody cares about that overflow of cheap Chinese Android tablets. Get a clue.

Ironically the iPad is famously a cheap tablet with an expensive price. Its their entire business model, they are the largest company by "market cap" because of this (more to do with market manipulation nowadays but still) They famously make the iPad in foxconn the company with worker riots and suicide nets. They even laughed at the president for suggesting they make them in America...Motorola and Samsung both manufacture in America.

Is that large enough of a clue ;)

Re: iPad already beaten (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45210239)

IDC is a pro-MS shill operation, the purpose of which is to fool dumb MIS type executives and investors. They were the ones advising people to sell their Apple stock when Steve Jobs came back. They forecast huge adoption rates for Wndows 8. They said that Surface tablets were selling like hot cakes. Basically if it's in an IDC report, you can bet your ass it is made up.

This is too easy (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45206989)

Battling it out for the 3 people who want one of these.

Price? (4, Interesting)

erac3rx (832099) | about 6 months ago | (#45207021)

Sounds great, looks great, but the price is the most important piece of information here and I don't see it. If it's as affordable as a Nexus 7, it's quite interesting. Priced at parity with ipad like Surface? Not nearly as interesting. Anyone know what the price is?

Re:Price? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207101)

Somewhere in the $500 - $600 range seems to be the numbers I've seen.

Re:Price? (1)

deviated_prevert (1146403) | about 6 months ago | (#45207197)

<quote>Sounds great, looks great, but the price is the most important piece of information here and I don't see it. If it's as affordable as a Nexus 7, it's quite interesting. Priced at parity with ipad like Surface? Not nearly as interesting. Anyone know what the price is?</quote>

The LTE version will be an AT&T exclusive so I do not think the price point is a retail concern for Nokia. What I see happening is they are going to try the BlackBerry method and include it on contract. What I see happening before Christmas is an AT&T heavily advertised add campaign with a tablet phone combo package deal on a two year contract for close to the price of a single iPhone contract. The win8 phone sales are the key to this device and a package deal of tablet and phone could be really attractive. You can bet that the phone and tablet will sync instantly with content and contacts.

Here in Canada it is almost impossible to use two devices on the same contract but if MicroNokia is really smart they might have convinced AT&T with gobs of subsidy to do the deed. Essentially the North American launch is the one to watch here and it will most likely happen within the next few weeks to get in on the Christmas crunch season that the original Win8 RT launch botched terribly.

I suspect that Microsoft has learned their lesson this time around and setup Nokia to do what they failed to do in the first place with Surface products and Windows Phone 8. This is most likely the strategy because if they do not coerce a major carrier then their tablet LTE launch will not take off in any serious way. The packages will most likely be well under 200 dollars on a 2 year contract. This is the only launch strategy that makes any sense with this device as it will bomb in the stores because Nokia is not a known tablet device and consumers will just look at it and the Mac brushed metal sales crowd will poo hoo it big time and call it plastic crap like they do with Samsung, LG and Surface products.

Re:Price? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45211985)

Here in Canada we don't have proportional fonts.

FTFY.

Re:Price? (3, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | about 6 months ago | (#45207295)

Even if it looks great, its still Windows RT.
So they have written off the business market, leaving only the home user market, but anyone who wants a tablet that is incompatible with everything else has already bought an ipad. If the same hardware could dualboot Android, they might have something, but RT destines it for the dustbin of history.

Re:Price? (2)

isdnip (49656) | about 6 months ago | (#45208511)

True. Microsoft botched RT by getting greedy. Like iOS, it is locked down tight, so you can only install "apps" from their store. Sure, that gives MS a cut of the action, Xbox-style, but it's hostile to users and real Windows doesn't have that restriction. Plus it doesn't run real Windows applications. So its ecosystem is pretty narrow and not likely to become very good.

Re:Price? (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about 6 months ago | (#45208535)

RT is salvageable, though. The 8.0 version has a very nice jailbreak that allows running Win32 apps (recompiled), .NET apps (unmodified), (many) Python / Perl / Java / Ruby / etc. apps (via recompiled or .NET-based runtimes), DOS apps (via recompiled DosBox), and even some x86 Win32 apps (via dynamic recompilation). It even allows third-party drivers. Unfortunately, MS broke this hack in 8.1 (deliberately), so it's taking a while to get it back; there's a couple hacks that works for 8.1 though, and a new jailbreak installer will hopefully be available Soon(TM).

Of course, if MS really wanted RT to be truly successful, they wouldn't have hobbled it in the first place... but they can change their tune, sometimes, and a high-level shakeup like they're going through now is a good opportunity for such change. We Shall See... but I bought a gen 1 RT purely to hack on it and see if I could break its lockdown, and it didn't take that long (not that I was actually a big part of developing the first major jailbreak, but I'm part of the community that was). It runs whatever code I want it to, pretty much, and it makes a nice ultra-lightweight, long-battery-life general purpose computer.

Re:Price? (1)

icebike (68054) | about 6 months ago | (#45208673)

Dynamic recompile of win32 apps? How does that work?
I mean theoretically, you should be able to do on the fly interpretation of binary code, but that didn't sound like what you meant.

Re:Price? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 6 months ago | (#45209449)

it's the api that is compatible, you'll need the source though...

but fat chances ms allowing that officially or them not going to try to stomp it out. they want metro, for $$$ reasons.

Re:Price? (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#45210205)

It really sucks - going from a Nokia device that people OWN and have full control over at time of purchase (you can boot the N900 etc from a miniSD card as well as have root in the standard OS) to one that requires a series of jailbreaks with each upgrade.

Re:Price? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45208345)

the most important information is it's part of the evil empire, I am not going there

Who Cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207141)

The iPad put the tablet concept in people's minds.
The vast array of Android tablets put tablets affordably and usefully into people's hands.

What is a Windows tablet going to do?
I mean, other than sit on a shelf collecting dust, as another "also-ran" that nobody knows or cares about?

Irony. (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 6 months ago | (#45207159)

The irony is not lost on me of accessing a website *designed* for tablets. I actually like the verge, but its front page is painful on a real computer, as is the stupid *click* *click* *click* of a slideshow. Can programmers really not manage to present two different ways of presenting information.

Re:Irony. (5, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about 6 months ago | (#45207201)

Can programmers really not manage to present two different ways of presenting information.

They could, if the web had been designed to separate content from presentation. Then different devices could display the same information in whatever form they thought best.

Oh, hang on, that's what HTML was supposed to do in the first place, until 'web designers' decided they needed the page to look exactly the way they wanted it to look.

Re:Irony. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207317)

what a great invention - separating content from presentation! Someone should patent that and then tell sites like theverge.com about it. haha

pretty pathetic to see how screwed up web development can be.

Re:Irony. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207999)

Don't be short sighted, a good programmer can separate the backend logic from the interface, and make you a web view, a client app, or leave the backend logic running as a background daemon which gives out information through a log file or server socket.

HTML? You are not even digging far enough to find the programmer there.

Re:Irony. (2)

steelfood (895457) | about 6 months ago | (#45208207)

'web designers' decided they needed the page to look exactly the way they wanted it to look.

These people need to be marginalized in any discussions regarding web technology. They're as bad as the people trying to fit everything into the browser *ahem* Google *ahem*. There's no way something designed for 1600x900 will look exactly the same as something designed for 1280x1024. Hell, you can resize your browser window to half your 1980x1200 screen, and it won't look the same. And I haven't even gotten to phone sizes.

The worst part is, nobody has it right. HTML(2) started off with not even the slightest concept of this, and then tried to tack on some extensions that somewhat made it possible, but was really just a bunch of hacks. HTML5 started off with it as the basic premise, then went off the deep end as more and more vested, moneyed interests had something to add. Now it's everything, and nothing all at the same time.

I'm waiting for HTML4.5, that happy medium between 4 and 5. Preferably, it won't be based on SGML, but that might be asking for too much (and it wouldn't be a *ML anymore).

Re:Irony. (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 6 months ago | (#45208985)

Oh, hang on, that's what HTML was supposed to do in the first place, until 'web designers' decided they needed the page to look exactly the way they wanted it to look.

Look, the idea got a fair try, and it failed. Not because of web designers. The basic premise of separating content from presentation is fundamentally wrong. They aren't separable. People on a 4.5" display don't want - in fact they cannot even use - the same content as people on a 30" desktop display.

Re:Irony. (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#45210223)

Bullshit. A large portion of the net is still text, youtube etc have their videos at a tiny size by default and those 4.5" displays have the sort of resolution that people had on their desktops not that long ago anyway. While there are exceptions I'd say the vast majority of content can be presented on a smaller screen and still be useful in some way.

Re:Irony. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45210831)

you mean like...CSS? which has been around for a decade? like that?

Price with Windows RT and LTE is $499(+149)... (4, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 6 months ago | (#45207205)

It's packing LTE, and a 2.2GHz Snapdragon 800 CPU inside, with a bright 650nit screen made out of Gorilla Glass 2. A 6.7MP rear camera featuring Zeiss optics and a 2MP front facing camera. 800mAh battery go from drained to 50 percent charge in just 40 minutes. The Nokia Power Keyboard accessory extra $149, and promises an extra five hours of battery life plus two extra USB ports.

Its not really the best article when it cuts out all the information!!!!!! The fact is is 3 times as expensive as new Nexus 7 with a less desirable OS. Other than it being fun(or depressing) to kick what is left of Nokia. I am not sure of the relevance. I cant help finding it extra ironic(or again depressing) that Windows Phone limited success has been at undercutting Android in its traditional counties.

Re:Price with Windows RT and LTE is $499(+149)... (4, Insightful)

chuckugly (2030942) | about 6 months ago | (#45207385)

The fact is is 3 times as expensive as new Nexus 7 ....

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare it with a Nexus 10 at $499 than with a 7" tablet? I have a Nexus 7 and I like it fine but it's not a 10" tablet (Also have a Xoom) by any stretch.

Only one tablet market buddy :) (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 6 months ago | (#45207593)

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare it with a Nexus 10 at $499 than with a 7" tablet? I have a Nexus 7 and I like it fine but it's not a 10" tablet (Also have a Xoom) by any stretch.

...No because the 7" tablet market and the 10" tablet market are still the tablet market. Android failed to destroy the iPad now with similar priced large products. In fact Android looked at joke. Googels Nexus 7 and Amazons Fire both proved that smaller cheaper...but still powerful tablets would humble the mighty iPad. All the size and price is doing is making the same early mistakes as Android, only with a worse product, at an even higher price, with even more competition at the larger end of the tablet market.

Re:Only one tablet market buddy :) (3, Insightful)

chuckugly (2030942) | about 6 months ago | (#45207657)

Well I can only speak for myself, but for me those sizes solve two very different issues and have very different but slightly overlapping use cases. If I have to choose, I want a 10" because it has (based on the Xoom vs the Nexus 7) vastly better usability and somewhat better battery life (probably bigger battery) but if I can have both (I do) then the 7" will fit in some of my pockets and is nicer to carry day to day. Which looks a lot like different but overlapping markets, buddy. ;) In any case, Google sells a model that more closely approximates the specs of the Nokia, and that model is the $499 Nexus 10. You can argue that all people seem to want is a Ford Focus and there is "one car market", but when Ferrari makes the 458 it's silly to insist on comparing them rather than comparing the Ferrari and maybe an Aston Martin.

Two tablet Markets!? (3, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 6 months ago | (#45207803)

Well I can only speak for myself, but for me those sizes solve two very different issues

Whoa there cowboy, before you launch into another female circumcision analogy, can I say I really don't give a monkeys. The reality is even if you pretend there are two markets...you are only arguing that Microsoft are launching a expensive product in a *smaller* market. I don't think you really understand your own points. The bottom line is screen size is simply another metric in its specification, one ironically you point out can be a disadvantage.

Although as I said overpriced in the larger tablet market, or overpriced in the smaller *cough* larger tablet market (Jesus). The results are the same.

Re:Price with Windows RT and LTE is $499(+149)... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45211245)

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare it with a Nexus 10 at $499 than with a 7" tablet? I have a Nexus 7 and I like it fine but it's not a 10" tablet (Also have a Xoom) by any stretch.

Nexus 10 is $399.

Re:Price with Windows RT and LTE is $499(+149)... (1)

Dr Max (1696200) | about 6 months ago | (#45207489)

I do not belive it has an 800mAh battery. There are watches with bigger batteries than that.

You go, Nokia (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207257)

Elop didn't want them to be a "me too" company with rising star platform Android. Instead he's turned them into a "me too" company hitched to the falling star of Windows. Excellent work.

Re:You go, Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207517)

i'm sorry but how is android not the "me too" company, every man and his dog is making one and only samsung make any money.

Re:You go, Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207765)

I'm sorry but learn to read. You just agreed with him.

Nice device, already irrelevant (0)

jacks smirking reven (909048) | about 6 months ago | (#45207299)

I really like the look of this device and the recent Nokia phones I've held and used have a very nice build quality. If this wasn't Windows RT I would definitely consider purchasing it. With the new Bay Trail Atom chips there's very little reason in my eyes to offer RT if I can have x86 Windows and 8+ hours of battery life and there are devices coming to market soon that will offer just that and every generation of chip's will extend that further.

Besides power consumption, app store lockdown and not wanting to alienate first gen customers, what reasons are there not to just cut your losses with RT?

Re:Nice device, already irrelevant (1)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | about 6 months ago | (#45208011)

Looking at these Nokia RT devices is a bit like looking at a Studebaker showroom, knowing that the company would soon be gone.

So, what do we have here? (5, Informative)

John Nemesh (3244653) | about 6 months ago | (#45207355)

We have a USELESS tablet, with locked down hardware. We have a miserable selection of apps, including a YouTube app which is nothing more than an HTML5 webpage. We have a high price, $400-$500 minimum. And we have a company that will not be making any further versions of this machine, also bringing into question their ability to even support the poor fools who buy one! Utterly useless waste of time and money for Nokia!

Re:So, what do we have here? (3, Informative)

chuckugly (2030942) | about 6 months ago | (#45207801)

I have to agree here, RT seems to me to be one of the really remarkably bad ideas in tech recently. We have Windows (fine) and Windows Phone (OK whatever). One (or both) of those should be used for the tablets, but the concept of creating a third platform that's incompatible with the other two is just astonishing to me.

Re:So, what do we have here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45211777)

Agreed. When I first heard about Windows RT, I assumed that Windows Phone 8 apps, Windows 8 Metro apps, and Windows RT apps would all be the same thing and it sounded like a great way for Microsoft to have their apps be compatible across all form factors (iOS and Android are compatible across phone and tablet but not desktop, so that would have been an advantage for Microsoft, albeit probably not that important). Of course, it turned out they instead just made them all look the same.

Re:So, what do we have here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45209405)

The fact that Microsoft would pursue a colossal failure such as Windows 8, is very encouraging. Die M$ Die!

Re:So, what do we have here? (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#45210247)

Already stung that way. I looked at the nokia web page for the nearest service centre, went there and found nothing but dust and darkness. It appears they fired the people that update the web pages that tell you where to get service before they fired the people providing the service.

Re:So, what do we have here? (1)

Jeremiah Hamilton (3407001) | about 6 months ago | (#45212125)

You have a pretty awesome definition of "USELESS". Let's go over the situation without the hatorade: 1. Locked down hardware: You mean like iPad? Google's app store? 2. YouTube app: Google is the problem. Otherwise, I've been pretty happy with app selection. No, it's not as great as iPad/Android, but it's much better than a year ago. 3. Price: Comparable to competition. 4. No more RT: An actual legit concern. I've always liked the idea of RT. I'm one of those folks that would 99.999% of the time use a tablet for full screen apps (like Modern/Metro apps). Even then, you can multi-task and snap-in other apps. Then again, this is /.; so, I expect +5 for anything anti-MS. For the record, I'm not a MS shill/employee/etc. I switched from MacBook/iPhone to Windows 8/Windows Phone (after switching from Linux to OS X), and I've been pleased overall. My main complaint is the lack of a true AirPlay/Print equivalent.

Let's try that again, "LTE" (0, Troll)

occasional_dabbler (1735162) | about 6 months ago | (#45207445)

...so the purchase cost is irrelevant - these things will be subsisdised heavily on 24 month contracts all over the world, so now you can get a Windows Laptop with Office FOR FREE. The OS in 8.1 guise really isn't so bad and the third-party apps are improving all the time. This one will do well, both for Nokia and the MS ARM port. I'm already sold on W8 (just got my Surface Pro 2 today) I'd never go for an MS ARM tablet, but this Nokia? I'm tempted.

Too bad about that keyboard hanging off of it. (1)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | about 6 months ago | (#45207813)

I have a tablet I've mentioned many times, the Motorola Xoom it's also has a 10.1-inch display
as does the Nokia Lumia 2520. I feel that's the perfect size any larger and it wouldn't be a tablet,
any smaller is akin to using ones cell phone.

10.1-inch display puts me to sleep with netflix, youtube or a movie while it's in it's cradle.
The Kindle Fire 7 inch display is just too small for me.

Yep Nokia did the right thing at 10.1, WXGA (1280 x 800) for the Motorola Xoom, but the keyboard thingjust messes it up.
I use Hackers keyboard (software) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.pocketworkstation.pckeyboard [google.com]
or a bluetooth keyboard for mine They don't connect to each other but I carry them both around protected by an old laptop case, a real sharp combo.
My Keyboard is as small as one can be while still having full sized keys, it's seriously sweet (Dell MN-Y-RAQ-DEL2 - Goodwill $5.00).

The Motorola Xoom hooks up to my HDTV (at 1920 x 1080 ) as I imagine does the Nokia Lumia 2520; a remote keyboard is very handy
using office / text editor at a distance and for so many other reasons.

Re:Too bad about that keyboard hanging off of it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45207959)

The keyboard is an optional accessory. It works fine with your existing Bluetooth keyboard.

Good for Nokia I guess? (5, Insightful)

WaffleMonster (969671) | about 6 months ago | (#45207917)

I think *ALL* computers running walled garden OSs where execution must be approved by a single entity are offensively stupid.

Neither would I consider purchasing such an expensive device without a user replaceable battery. Batteries still suck and there is still enough variance during manufacturing and use it is still very much luck of the draw what you'll get.

There is no useful technical reason for locking down execution and planned obsolescence (dead battery = dead device) other than screwing over customers.

In this way I hate the new Nokia and Windows RT bullshit as much as I hate Apples ipad bullshit.

It really is quite a depressing situation... the hardware guys continue to kick ass while software guys seem to be spending all their time picking their noses, fiddling with UX and carefully apportioning value such that none dare be left on the table.

no joke... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45208599)

... friend of mine just bought a new win 8 laptop and asked me to help him install linux on his old laptop.

Nokia is dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45209629)

Windows on mobile devices is dead too.

So, who cares?

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What will happen when... (1)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about 6 months ago | (#45210187)

the takeover sale is complete?

Will Microsoft merge this line with the Surface line?
Are these things going to be orphaned?

Microsoft, Nokia ignored (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45210557)

Basically Microsoft and Nokia were ignored by the media in favor of Apple. Its kind of sad that Apple's refreshes totally erased any news about the Surface 2 or Nokia's tablet. Just proves how much of a hold Apple has on tech news media. But in all honesty, who can blame them? Apple is king and anything they do is going to spur interest and almost anything Microsoft does will not. I have to wonder if Microsoft is planning any kind of marketing campaign for the Surface 2. Or is just going through the motions.

Was I the only one... (2)

Sfing_ter (99478) | about 6 months ago | (#45211441)

Was I the only one who read that as "Nokia Introduces Windows Toilet"...
It's early but... I really wanted to leave a memory dump...

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